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IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

Edgy MD Aug 29 2022 03:07 PM

Taijuan Walker defends against somebody who hasn't yet been named, but likely is 0.0% Taijuanish. The Dodgers finish up with Milwaukee while the Mets get their second no-travel day off in less than a week, kicking back at home, drinking lemonade, taking school photos of the kids.

kcmets Aug 29 2022 03:29 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

Maybe the Dodger game will go twenty innings and they'll limp in all banged up and whatnot. Oh wait, stupid ghost-runner rules... never mind...

Frayed Knot Aug 29 2022 04:16 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

Tomorrow's IGT Today!!!

Edgy MD Aug 29 2022 04:39 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

There's no room for slackers on this team.

G-Fafif Aug 29 2022 05:37 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

Too much off-day, post-OTD energy not to say this: Fuck the Dodgers.

Ceetar Aug 29 2022 06:38 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

school doesn't start in NY for a week and a half. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FbXlWZ7WYAAFKsp?format=png&name=large> I'm ready! Let's do this!

Gwreck Aug 29 2022 08:46 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

This is a BIG Game.

Edgy MD Aug 29 2022 09:03 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

The idiot who started this thread screwed up the all-important contextual details and wrote that the Dodgers were playing Milwaukee this evening. They were, in fact, taking on the Marlins in Miami. Dodgers eke out a 3-2 win in the 10th, using five relievers to throw 5 2/3 innings, including 32 pitches over an inning and a third by Craig Kimbrel.

G-Fafif Aug 30 2022 01:08 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

Mets Game 130 of 162, vs. LAD Tuesday, Aug. 30, 7:10 p.m. LHP Andrew Heaney (2-1, 1.94) Nimmo CF Marte RF Lindor SS Alonso 1B Ruf DH Canha LF McNeil 2B Escobar 3B McCann C - T. Walker RHP (10-3, 3.38)

MFS62 Aug 30 2022 01:14 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 30 2022 01:21 PM

Walker will have to be on his game tonight. There aren't too many soft spots in their lineup. Later

Ceetar Aug 30 2022 01:16 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FbboJ-AXkAIDfq8?format=png&name=large>

Frayed Knot Aug 30 2022 02:20 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

Only 9 starts this season for Heaney, the now 31 y/o one-time 9th overall draft pick of the Marlins, but his numbers how things are going in Dodger-land this year. 2019 ERA = 4.91 (18 Starts w/LAA) 2020 = 4.46 (12 - LAA) 2021 = 5.83 (23 - LAA & NYY) 2022 = 1.94 (all with LAD)

Edgy MD Aug 30 2022 04:27 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

More super steroid masking?

Edgy MD Aug 30 2022 04:27 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

More super steroid masking?

ashie62 Aug 30 2022 04:37 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

Tijuana Walker please just give a decent outing

Lefty Specialist Aug 30 2022 04:38 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

A thin line of thunderstorms is heading for Citi. Not sure when it'll get there as it's in eastern PA now. So it could complicate matters at some point in the proceedings.

MFS62 Aug 30 2022 04:49 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

Edgy MD wrote: More super steroid masking? Funny how much performance improves with even a short time with the MFYs isn't it? As for the weather, The Syracuse game at Scranton and the Binghamton home game have been rained out. Later

ashie62 Aug 30 2022 05:24 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

AMAZIN!

ashie62 Aug 30 2022 05:31 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

Error on the basepaths

Gwreck Aug 30 2022 05:33 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 30 2022 05:34 PM

I fear the Mets are going to regret the poor play in that first inning: Alonso and Ruf looked bad, Lindor was not looking good in that SB attempt.

Willets Point Aug 30 2022 05:34 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

Getting a lead in the first inning =good. Squandering a golden opportunity to put up a crooked number = bad.

MFS62 Aug 30 2022 05:35 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

Disheartening after what could have been a nice inning. Later

Frayed Knot Aug 30 2022 05:40 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

Good thing Cora was aggressive with Nimmo, not a sure thing given Mookie's arm and a short throw, otherwise they wouldn't have scored at all.

Willets Point Aug 30 2022 05:47 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

Nice infield hit for the Squirrel.

Willets Point Aug 30 2022 05:55 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

Thing I learned: Timmy Trumpet is Australian.

Frayed Knot Aug 30 2022 05:58 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

Willets Point wrote: Thing I learned: Timmy Trumpet is Australian. Thing I just learned by looking it up: his given name isn't really Trumpet!! (it's Smith)

Willets Point Aug 30 2022 06:00 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

It would be a lot of pressure on a kid to be named Trumpet and have to learn to be good at playing trumpet.

Willets Point Aug 30 2022 06:03 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

Shit.

Willets Point Aug 30 2022 06:03 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

Shit. Shit. Shit!

MFS62 Aug 30 2022 06:08 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

NOW Gallo decides to do something in New York? Shit! Later

Willets Point Aug 30 2022 06:12 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

Starling Rocket!

kcmets Aug 30 2022 06:12 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

[BIGPURPLE]SmarteBOOM!![/BIGPURPLE]

kcmets Aug 30 2022 06:31 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

[BIGPURPLE]CanhaBOOM!![/BIGPURPLE]

Willets Point Aug 30 2022 06:33 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

Canha Corn! It has the juice!

Willets Point Aug 30 2022 06:37 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

How is a team with batters in the heart of their lineup batting .189 and .165 dominating MLB?

Edgy MD Aug 30 2022 06:46 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

I wasn't able to tune in until the fourth, but I like Taijuan's curve tonight.

Edgy MD Aug 30 2022 06:51 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

Pete painting the ceiling on that trip to the plate.

Willets Point Aug 30 2022 06:51 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

Another squandered opportunity.

kcmets Aug 30 2022 06:52 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

Alonso, K Machine!!

Frayed Knot Aug 30 2022 06:54 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

Willets Point wrote: How is a team with batters in the heart of their lineup batting .189 and .165 dominating MLB? Allowing more than 1/2 Run per game less than the next best club (NYM btw) at least partially explains things. It's a gap as large as the gap between the 2nd & 8th best rates.

Edgy MD Aug 30 2022 07:01 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

A 92-pitch exit for Taijuan. Hate to hit the pen early in game one of a tough series.

Edgy MD Aug 30 2022 07:07 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

Hate to hit see the pen walk the bases full early in game one of a tough series.

Frayed Knot Aug 30 2022 07:07 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

So what was John Sterling's HR call on those occasions when Joey Gallo actually did connect as a MFY? Was it, "Oh Joey Gallo, you really murdered that one" ? probably not

Willets Point Aug 30 2022 07:08 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

Geez that was too close for comfort.

kcmets Aug 30 2022 07:08 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

[BIGPURPLE]LugoPHEW!![/BIGPURPLE]

Edgy MD Aug 30 2022 07:11 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

Lindor and Ruf both getting off the schneid the last two innings is refreshing.

Frayed Knot Aug 30 2022 07:14 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

As they'd say in London's west end: It's 'eath 'embree on to pitch

Willets Point Aug 30 2022 07:14 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

Time for McCann to do something big.

Edgy MD Aug 30 2022 07:15 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

Edgy MD wrote: Lindor and Ruf both getting off the schneid the last two innings is refreshing. And now Escobar! Monkeys being shed from backs all around the diamond! Could. McCann. Join. In?

Willets Point Aug 30 2022 07:18 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

Edgy MD wrote: Edgy MD wrote: Lindor and Ruf both getting off the schneid the last two innings is refreshing. And now Escobar! Monkeys being shed from backs all around the diamond! Could. McCann. Join. In? Nope.

kcmets Aug 30 2022 07:20 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

Having McCann fail in big spots is quite deflating sometimes.

Lefty Specialist Aug 30 2022 07:21 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

McCann is the definition of schneid. He needs to be gone next year. Pouring in NJ right now, so they're running out of time here.

Edgy MD Aug 30 2022 07:24 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

Too many Will Smiths in this league.

Frayed Knot Aug 30 2022 07:26 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

Edgy MD wrote: Too many Will Smiths in this league. Are they all slap hitters?

Chad ochoseis Aug 30 2022 07:28 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

Fux.

Lefty Specialist Aug 30 2022 07:29 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

This just is not a competitive bullpen come playoff time.

Edgy MD Aug 30 2022 07:35 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

Heck of a spot for Hunter's return.

Edgy MD Aug 30 2022 07:40 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

Did Timmy play that or fake it?

Frayed Knot Aug 30 2022 07:44 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

It was far too risky to try, but Canha could have maybe possibly allowed that fly ball to fall in order to try for the old 7-5-4 DP It would depend on how close to runner on 1st was hanging close to the bad (which I couldn't see) and would take a helluva lotta guts to try it.

Frayed Knot Aug 30 2022 07:46 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

LAD batters have been going from 0-2 to 3-2 Nimmo goes from 3-0 to K

Willets Point Aug 30 2022 07:48 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

Big moment for Pete.

Edgy MD Aug 30 2022 07:49 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

Yeah, treating an 0-2 count as an invitation to bounce two breaking pitches away is so 2010. But I like Pete coming up against Vesia here. OE: But I eschew the result.

Willets Point Aug 30 2022 07:49 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

Or not.

Gwreck Aug 30 2022 07:52 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

Edgy MD wrote: Did Timmy play that or fake it? Definitely played it.

Edgy MD Aug 30 2022 08:01 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

Cool. A couple of runs here and he'll be playing the other song.

Edgy MD Aug 30 2022 08:04 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

McNeilio needs a haircut, I think.

bmfc1 Aug 30 2022 08:05 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 30 2022 08:23 PM

Not a good game for Billy's lack of deadline moves: the bullpen gave up the go-ahead run, McCann did nothing, Naquin did nothing, and Ruf did nothing (seriously, why did they think he was better than JD?). UPDATED: plus, Vogelbach hit into a 9th inning DP.

Edgy MD Aug 30 2022 08:10 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

I'd sign up for one run in four innings from the bullpen on any night, messy as that might have looked this evening. Three runs from the offense, not so much. But the Dodgers seem to want to use Reed in the ninth, so this isn't over.

Frayed Knot Aug 30 2022 08:14 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 30 2022 08:19 PM

Lux followed by Trayce is my go-to cleaning method for germ and bacteria free surfaces.

Edgy MD Aug 30 2022 08:17 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

The Mets have two slugging lefty bats on the bench to send up against this guy.

Edgy MD Aug 30 2022 08:21 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

Escobar is in there to get lefties and he has two hits against righties.

Frayed Knot Aug 30 2022 08:21 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

Please no ground balls from Vogelsong.

Edgy MD Aug 30 2022 08:25 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

Too bad. Tough conditions for a big comeback.

Willets Point Aug 30 2022 08:25 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

Drat

Fman99 Aug 30 2022 08:30 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

Well that was sucky. They should have hung a 5 spot on that guy in the first and cruised but NOOOOOOO

Gwreck Aug 30 2022 08:32 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

=bmfc1 post_id=105825 time=1661911552 user_id=73] (seriously, why did they think he was better than JD?).

JD was pretty bad. We can agree on that.

kcmets Aug 30 2022 08:35 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

Edgy MD wrote: Too bad. Tough conditions for a big comeback. They lost, nothing to do with conditions.

Frayed Knot Aug 30 2022 08:40 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

Lefty Specialist wrote: This just is not a competitive bullpen come playoff time. It's got its issues like most (all?) pens do, but 1 run over 3-2/3 on 2 hits (plus 5 BBs ... 1 intentional) isn't exactly horrible, especially seeing as how the lone run was set up by a leadoff pool cue dubble by Freddie. iow, the pen wasn't our problem tonight

Ceetar Aug 30 2022 08:44 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

=Gwreck post_id=105836 time=1661913131 user_id=56] =bmfc1 post_id=105825 time=1661911552 user_id=73] (seriously, why did they think he was better than JD?).

JD was pretty bad. We can agree on that.


No we can't. They gave him garbage chances and not enough playing time. He'd been great for them his entire time and part of the reason they faltered last year is because they didn't play him. No one should be surprised he's got a 150 wRC+ and 4 HR with the Giants. Eppler gambled that recent small sample was more meaningful, and I'm not sure all these fringy platoon guys they got were a better bet.



Alas, let's hope Baty suddenly just goes all Conforto down the stretch/playoffs.

MFS62 Aug 30 2022 08:48 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

Jake Reed? That hurts. Later

Gwreck Aug 30 2022 08:52 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

=Ceetar post_id=105839 time=1661913892 user_id=102]They gave him garbage chances and not enough playing time.

He has more PAs this year than any non-regular. He has negative defensive value, and put up middling numbers at the plate.



This certainly doesn't mean that the Ruf/Vogelbach platoon is the move they should have made. But just playing JD more was not the answer.

Ceetar Aug 30 2022 09:49 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

My point was he should've been a regular. And yes, they should've played him as the DH more often than not. He was league average for the Mets this year, though there were some stretches where he was hitting it real hard and not getting good results. Again, not surprised that that bad luck turned around. Hell, Davis' .364 OBP since 2019 is tied for 7th with McNeil, only .001 behind Conforto and Guillorme. Baez's small sample was an outlier, and Canha and Nimmo are good. Vogelbach's .388 won't hold up either. He's been right there. Davis was solid and reliable in a way that guys like Vogelbach and Ruf and Naquin just haven't shown they can be. I worry those guys are going to get exploited and exposed by better teams with deep playoff bullpens that make it harder to force the platoon advantage all game.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 31 2022 06:44 AM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

http://potg.ultimatemets.com/images/schaefer30.jpg> Cast your vote!

ashie62 Aug 31 2022 07:41 AM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

Edgy MD wrote: Too bad. Tough conditions for a big comeback. They lost, nothing to do with conditions. They had every opportunity to blow it open in the first but only got one

kcmets Aug 31 2022 08:09 AM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

I know, I was responding to what I thought was citing of rain/drizzle as being tough to play in. I didn't/don't buy that.

Edgy MD Aug 31 2022 08:09 AM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

Sorry, it looked tougher in the bottom of the ninth from Baltimore. The umpire had the look that seemed to say he'd stop the game if it hadn't been so close to the end.

MFS62 Aug 31 2022 08:31 AM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

If you'd rather see Nate Fisher coming into games instead of Joely Rodriguez, join me by raising your hand. And can somebody please explain why they didn't re-sign Aaron Loup? Later

kcmets Aug 31 2022 08:50 AM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

Throwing Jake Reed into the fire was diabolically clever or lucky? Asking for a friend.

Frayed Knot Aug 31 2022 08:57 AM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

Y'know for a team that's scored a grand total of three runs over the last two games via two solo HRs plus a three-base error, we sure do a lot of bitching about a bullpen that gave up A run (on a cue shot double plus a stick-the-bat-out single) while being asked to cover 17 outs in those games.

Edgy MD Aug 31 2022 09:09 AM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

Yeah, too often it's easy to fall into the trap that there isn't enough relief pitching, and there is nothing anything less than an umblemished record that is acceptable for relievers. But the guys we don't have, had we gotten them, would have displaced the guys we do have, and then they'd be the ones that are unacceptably imperfect. They wouldn't necessarily be better, and they might be worse, and if so, the Mets would have future talent invested in that worseness. Aaron Loup was terrific in 2021, and that got him a three-year contract from the Angels and good for him, but so far in that contract, he's fallen back to the pack and just been another guy. He's a frequent figure in Jomboy videos, though, because weird things seem to happen when he's on the mound. [YOUTUBE]eh_gw0dnMw0[/YOUTUBE]

Gwreck Aug 31 2022 10:43 AM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

Frayed Knot wrote: Y'know for a team that's scored a grand total of three runs over the last two games via two solo HRs plus a three-base error, we sure do a lot of bitching about a bullpen that gave up A run (on a cue shot double plus a stick-the-bat-out single) while being asked to cover 17 outs in those games. The Mets have plenty of playoff bullpen options, including trusted starters such as Carrasco or Peterson (and Williams), as well as returning-from-injury options like Megill and Smith. The real worry is, as noted, that the offense was insufficiently upgraded at the deadline.

MFS62 Aug 31 2022 10:51 AM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

The Mets have plenty of playoff bullpen options, including trusted starters such as Carrasco or Peterson (and Williams), as well as returning-from-injury options like Megill and Smith. The real worry is, as noted, that the offense was insufficiently upgraded at the deadline. SNY agrees that both are a concern: https://www.sny.tv/articles/playoffs-nearing-mets-catching-lefty-relief-deficiencies Instead of Rodriguez, it should've been Seth Lugo (who almost certainly won't be available Wednesday anyway) pitching a second inning. Lugo, by the way, has held lefties to a .184/.259/.263 line this season. Rodriguez has had a few impressive moments this year, but has been a big disappointment overall, with a 5.17 ERA and 1.53 WHIP in 38.1 innings. That he was in a tie game in the seventh inning last night is a problem. Later

Edgy MD Aug 31 2022 11:07 AM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

I imagine that no writer ever got a column rejected writing that the bullpen could be better. Clearly, Showalter has his reluctance to use his relievers over multiple innings. I have my problems with that, but it's a different issue.

Frayed Knot Aug 31 2022 01:54 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

Did the SNY piece also advocate for Lugo over Joely in the late innings of Sunday's game too or is he fine with Rodriguez after he tosses a scoreless inning and only questions his use after games where he knows that Rodriguez got touched for two soft hits by lefties?

MFS62 Aug 31 2022 02:07 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

You'll be able to answer that yourself if you read the piece. Later

Edgy MD Aug 31 2022 02:16 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

I read it, and no, and it says nothing about what he advocated for on Sunday. The writer also contradicts himself by declaring that "the Mets are this starved for left-handed relief," but writing four paragraphs later, "Also a problem with regards to Rodriguez is the three-batter rule, which makes a pitcher like Rodriguez (who is very good against lefties but struggles against tough righties) a lot less valuable."

MFS62 Aug 31 2022 02:21 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

I guess he needs a good editor who would have caught that contradiction. Later

Frayed Knot Aug 31 2022 03:36 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

=MFS62 post_id=105894 time=1661976453 user_id=60] You'll be able to answer that yourself if you read the piece

It was rhetorical question to which I pretty much knew the answer without having to read the piece.

The point being that it's always easy to pretend the scoreless inning from he previous game never happened but then knock the use of that same reliever after

he allows even a single run while arguing for a different guy instead, or for guys not currently on the team including those with one ML game under their belt,

or for someone who was once here but no longer is, or even for guys who were never ever a Met but theoretically possibly maybe could have had our lousy GM

only traded for him at the deadline and/or signed him in the off-season. Needless to say that none of those guys would, if used last night, have given up any

runs. Probably not even any hits.



Bottom line: bullpens are going to give up runs just like starters do and it's not going to work out where you can only use your most favored guys except in

games where there's a touchdown or more lead. The best team (by far!) this year used a waiver wire pickup to close out the game last night.

NYM team OPS-against is 674, 3rd best in the NL (behind LAD & ATL). Broken down it's 668 for the starters and 683 for the pen; that's not a wide gap and

if you want to break out the 683 OPS-A and pretend it's its own staff they would still rank 5th best in the NL - not against just other pens but against all

other 14 entire staffs.



We're always welcome to wish for better, of course, but do remember the old 'be careful what you wish for' warning. And if we're going to expect the pen

to get 17 outs over two razor thin games without allowing even a single run then we're going to be disappointed A LOT more often than not.

MFS62 Aug 31 2022 03:40 PM Re: IGT LAD@NYM, 8/30/2022

Well put. Later