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Queen Elizabeth Has Died

G-Fafif Sep 08 2022 11:34 AM

The Queen was 96.

G-Fafif Sep 08 2022 11:36 AM Re: Queen Elizabeth Has Died

From the BBC: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61585886

Willets Point Sep 08 2022 11:41 AM Re: Queen Elizabeth Has Died

Life is very long, when you're lonely.

Chad ochoseis Sep 08 2022 12:03 PM Re: Queen Elizabeth Has Died

RIP. I scoffed at the whole idea of the monarchy, but a British friend once noted to me that it really was useful to have a permanent, apolitical member of government who could provide non-binding advice to the politicians who walked through the revolving door to the Prime Minister's office. I guess the British national anthem again becomes "God Save the King".

cal sharpie Sep 08 2022 12:09 PM Re: Queen Elizabeth Has Died

I saw her when she was in San Francisco in the '80's. On a bus to work they announced that we all had to get off because the street her entourage would be going down blocked off the street the bus was on. I got off to walk the rest of the way (not too far) and watched as her limo moved past, her looking out the window and waving.

whippoorwill Sep 08 2022 12:30 PM Re: Queen Elizabeth Has Died

Sad. She was quite a woman Love her life story…love her outfits

Edgy MD Sep 08 2022 12:42 PM Re: Queen Elizabeth Has Died

I checked to see if I had moved up in the line of succession. Somehow, I'm further away. :( Congratulations to Princess Sophia Mapelli Mozzi, who now moves up to 10th in the royal line of succession, 10 days shy of her first birthday. I guess Charles also gets points for being the longest-serving royal heir.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 08 2022 12:48 PM Re: Queen Elizabeth Has Died

Sometimes monarchs choose a new name when they're coronated. Elizabeth's father's given name was Albert, but he chose to be crowned as George VI. I'm kind of hoping that Charles chooses the name "Yennsy". (Or maybe Johneshwy?)

ashie62 Sep 08 2022 01:22 PM Re: Queen Elizabeth Has Died

I will miss her The monarchy is old fashioned but so am I.

Ceetar Sep 08 2022 02:14 PM Re: Queen Elizabeth Has Died

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Sometimes monarchs choose a new name when they're coronated. Elizabeth's father's given name was Albert, but he chose to be crowned as George VI. I'm kind of hoping that Charles chooses the name "Yennsy". (Or maybe Johneshwy?) Charles 3 i think I saw. whatever, good riddance. [TWEET]https://twitter.com/RichardStaff/status/1567931286370807808[/TWEET]

Frayed Knot Sep 08 2022 02:45 PM Re: Queen Elizabeth Has Died

England/Great Britain's longest reigning monarch ever having passed her great-grandmother, Victoria, sometime in the last decade.. Prior to that the record might have belonged to Elizabeth I and now you're going back over four centuries.

Chad ochoseis Sep 08 2022 04:11 PM Re: Queen Elizabeth Has Died

WaPo States that he's King Charles III, will stay that way, and officially ascended the moment Mom went off to her regal reward. I wasn't sure if he had to wait for the coronation ceremony before being able to call himself "King". I didn't see any word on whether Camilla is "Queen", "Queen Consort", or in honor of Diana's memory, "That Tart".

Willets Point Sep 08 2022 04:15 PM Re: Queen Elizabeth Has Died

The accession to the throne is immediate. The coronation can take some time. Elizabeth II's coronation was a full two years after her father died.

MFS62 Sep 08 2022 04:40 PM Re: Queen Elizabeth Has Died

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/RichardStaff/status/1567931286370807808[/TWEET] I think that was in poor taste. Later

Ceetar Sep 08 2022 04:42 PM Re: Queen Elizabeth Has Died

sure, they gotta sign her to a two year deal without doing a physical first right?

Edgy MD Sep 08 2022 04:56 PM Re: Queen Elizabeth Has Died

Chad ochoseis wrote: I didn't see any word on whether Camilla is "Queen", "Queen Consort", or in honor of Diana's memory, "That Tart". She will be queen consort. For the time being, the UK will be queenless.

whippoorwill Sep 08 2022 05:03 PM Re: Queen Elizabeth Has Died

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/RichardStaff/status/1567931286370807808[/TWEET] I think that was in poor taste. Later Me too. Very. An old lady has died; a veteran; a world leader.

Edgy MD Sep 08 2022 05:15 PM Re: Queen Elizabeth Has Died

Her reign coincided with 15 British prime ministers, 14 U.S. presidents, and seven popes. She appointed six archbishops of Canterbury. It'd take a lot longer to figure out how much Britain's authority over their global territory has shrunk during her rule. The main absolute territorial surrender of her era remains Hong Kong. Ireland became a republic shortly before her ascension, but her reign has also been characterized by increased autonomy in the nations of the United Kingdom. I count 27 (!!) wars and other military missions Britain led or participated in during her reign: [list] [*]13 wins [*]7 losses [*]5 stalemates/inconclusive outcomes [*]2 ongoing [/list] ... to the extent that such outcomes can be measured.

Frayed Knot Sep 08 2022 05:46 PM Re: Queen Elizabeth Has Died

Sometimes monarchs choose a new name when they're coronated. Elizabeth's father's given name was Albert, but he chose to be crowned as George VI. That was supposedly at the suggestion, in the days leading up to WWII, that Albert sounded too Germanic. Of course the royal family WAS pretty Germanic in those days -- IIRC the book DREADNOUGHT, about Europe during WWI, opened with the line that Queen Victoria was essentially 7/8th German -- and even moreso going back to all those other Georges in the Hanoverian line which led up to the time of the American revolution, but I guess they figured it best not to advertise it so much. Chad ochoseis wrote: WaPo States that he's King Charles III, will stay that way The reigns of Charlies I & II didn't go so well so the bar is set kind of low. #1's time ended when he got his head chopped off but I'm at least 85% confident that #3 can avoid that fate.

Ceetar Sep 08 2022 05:48 PM Re: Queen Elizabeth Has Died

and yet he's probably the most deserving of it!

Frayed Knot Sep 08 2022 05:54 PM Re: Queen Elizabeth Has Died

Chad ochoseis wrote: RIP. I scoffed at the whole idea of the monarchy, but a British friend once noted to me that it really was useful to have a permanent, apolitical member of government who could provide non-binding advice to the politicians who walked through the revolving door to the Prime Minister's office. But the British people pay a pretty high price for all that, and by price I mean money. I mean, at some point I'd be asking exactly how many castles they need while also questioning the sheer size of the bureaucracy needed to support not just the monarch but who knows how many relatives. Other constitutional monarchies in Europe have managed to keep the symbolic royal head of state only at a vastly scaled down size. But dem Brits do love their pageantry.

whippoorwill Sep 08 2022 06:07 PM Re: Queen Elizabeth Has Died

Maybe it's my British blood but I find it somehow je ne sais quoi…calming There's no need to turn those castles into Park Royale Condos! Starting at 2M £! We Brits know how to handle stuff? Idk…my mom is 92 and I'm terrified There I said it

Edgy MD Sep 08 2022 07:56 PM Re: Queen Elizabeth Has Died

Edgy MD wrote: Her reign coincided with 15 British prime ministers, 14 U.S. presidents, and seven popes. She appointed six archbishops of Canterbury. It'd take a lot longer to figure out how much Britain's authority over their global territory has shrunk during her rule. The main absolute territorial surrender of her era remains Hong Kong. Ireland became a republic shortly before her ascension, but her reign has also been characterized by increased autonomy in the nations of the United Kingdom. I count 27 (!!) wars and other military missions Britain led or participated in during her reign: [list] [*]13 wins [*]7 losses [*]5 stalemates/inconclusive outcomes [*]2 ongoing [/list] ... to the extent that such outcomes can be measured. While I'm looking at this through a statistical lens, let me not forget — thirty Welsh corgis.

MFS62 Sep 08 2022 08:11 PM Re: Queen Elizabeth Has Died

Edgy MD wrote: While I'm looking at this through a statistical lens, let me not forget — thirty Welsh corgis. Is there a Royal corgi counter who keeps track of that? I'm beginning to believe the comments above about the British bureaucracy. Later

Lefty Specialist Sep 08 2022 08:40 PM Re: Queen Elizabeth Has Died

I'd love to know how many heads of state she met. Must be hundreds, if not thousands. I think it was the movie The Queen where she said to Tony Blair after he dissed her foreign policy knowledge, "I was here before you and I'll be here after you". She outlasted Boris Johnson, too, if only by a day.

Edgy MD Sep 08 2022 09:11 PM Re: Queen Elizabeth Has Died

Part of me thinks she was motivated to reach that day. I also wonder if, after his coronation, the new King Charles will have to tour the world accepting respects from his subjects as head of state of Canada, Australia, Bahamas, Gibraltar, Falklands, etc.

vtmet7 Sep 08 2022 09:15 PM Re: Queen Elizabeth Has Died

Chad ochoseis wrote: RIP. I scoffed at the whole idea of the monarchy, but a British friend once noted to me that it really was useful to have a permanent, apolitical member of government who could provide non-binding advice to the politicians who walked through the revolving door to the Prime Minister's office. I guess the British national anthem again becomes "God Save the King". it's always bugged me that they stole "America (My Country tis of thee) and changed the lyrics to suit their royalty...

Fman99 Sep 09 2022 05:24 AM Re: Queen Elizabeth Has Died

I don't care. I bet a lot of other old English ladies died yesterday too and didn't get any press. Nothing duller to me than the topic of the British royal family. They are as important and necessary as nipples on a man.

Ceetar Sep 09 2022 06:48 AM Re: Queen Elizabeth Has Died

[url]https://fij.ng/article/may-she-get-what-she-deserves-south-africas-eff-comes-hard-on-late-queen/ “We do not mourn the death of Elizabeth, because to us, her death is a reminder of a tragic period in this country and Africa's history,” the statement reads in part.

metsmarathon Sep 09 2022 08:32 AM Re: Queen Elizabeth Has Died

harsh. but not at all wrong.

Willets Point Sep 09 2022 08:38 AM Re: Queen Elizabeth Has Died

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/mroctober/status/1567959503081189376[/TWEET]

MFS62 Sep 09 2022 09:48 AM Re: Queen Elizabeth Has Died

Got an email from my company telling us that the Queen Elizabeth 70th Jubilee coin is sold out. Later

kcmets Sep 09 2022 04:53 PM Re: Queen Elizabeth Has Died

Just because I know how many Motörhead and Sex Pistols fans hang here... [YOUTUBE]Qa1wdUkeuvE[/YOUTUBE]

Edgy MD Sep 09 2022 05:57 PM Re: Queen Elizabeth Has Died

Latter-day John Lydon's positions: [list=1] [*]He's got nothing against the queen and thought she was rather lovely. He just mostly objects to tax dollars supporting the royals' lavish lifestyles. [*]He thinks anarchy is a really stupid idea. [/list]

whippoorwill Sep 09 2022 06:00 PM Re: Queen Elizabeth Has Died

=MFS62 post_id=106735 time=1662738490 user_id=60] Got an email from my company telling us that the Queen Elizabeth 70th Jubilee coin is sold out. Later

I'm sure! I've got a couple of Charles and Diana's wedding coins tucked away somewhere

Lefty Specialist Sep 09 2022 06:15 PM Re: Queen Elizabeth Has Died

The Irish have a slightly different perspective..... https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EwB8yTAXIAAtVvu?format=png&name=small>

kcmets Sep 09 2022 06:30 PM

Edgy MD wrote: Latter-day John Lydon's positions: [list=1] [*]He's got nothing against the queen and thought she was rather lovely. He just mostly objects to tax dollars supporting the royals' lavish lifestyles. [*]He thinks anarchy is a really stupid idea. [/list] Yay for Johnny Rotten. 66 year-old shock rocker grew up. I can't post anything here just for fun anymore. It has to be peeled apart. Dissected. Someone posts 'good riddance', everyone is fine with that instant karma invite.

Edgy MD Sep 09 2022 06:39 PM Re: Queen Elizabeth Has Died

I didn't mean to peel apart anything. I'm just offering an interesting (to me) pair of semi-relevant factoids. I'm certainly not fine with "Good riddance," but I'm not particularly successful at all in asking folks to be decent (in fact, I tend to make things worse), so I choose my spots.

Edgy MD Sep 09 2022 06:40 PM Re: Queen Elizabeth Has Died

I LOVE Motörhead's take on that song.

Frayed Knot Sep 09 2022 06:55 PM Re: Queen Elizabeth Has Died

=vtmet7 post_id=106725 time=1662693340 user_id=80] it's always bugged me that they stole "America (My Country tis of thee) and changed the lyrics to suit their royalty...

Well once they stooped to stealing our language, that they'd then steal a tune of ours shouldn't come as a surprise.

Edgy MD Sep 09 2022 07:17 PM Re: Queen Elizabeth Has Died

Setting their flag in red, white, and blue was a crap move, too. Get your own colors!

Edgy MD Sep 09 2022 08:28 PM Re: Queen Elizabeth Has Died

Lefty Specialist wrote: The Irish have a slightly different perspective..... https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EwB8yTAXIAAtVvu?format=png&name=small> This was writer Patrick Freyn writing in The Irish Times, a few years back, in reviewing some big Oprah Winfrey interview with the much-publicized royals Harry and Meghan. The broader view of the Irish people has been more complex, despite Elizabeth II being monarch during the entirety of The Troubles. She's typically carried a 50% approval rate or so in the Republic of Ireland, which usually outstripped the ratings for their own political leaders. Monarchys are undoubtedly silly things, certainly to me, but as societies, we tend to get caught up and trapped in our governing systems, conflating the survival of the system with the survival of the society, so reform comes slowly and stubbornly, even when the need is glaringly obvious.

MFS62 Sep 10 2022 08:17 AM Re: Queen Elizabeth Has Died

In the silliness of counting every little thing she did, my Canadian friend noted that she visited Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan more than she visited New York. I reminded him that the Royal family has a ranch in Moose Jaw and they haven't owned any property in New York since 1776. Later

Frayed Knot Sep 10 2022 11:27 AM Re: Queen Elizabeth Has Died

Plus it's easy to find Moose Jaw as native son Clark Gilles famously said; "it's about six feet in front of its ass.'

MFS62 Sep 13 2022 12:08 PM Re: Queen Elizabeth Has Died

Watching all the formal ceremonies leading up to the funeral. I like the pomp, but I don't like the circumstance. Later

Ceetar Sep 13 2022 01:18 PM Re: Queen Elizabeth Has Died

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/20thcenturymarc/status/1569310683140964358[/TWEET]

kcmets Sep 14 2022 11:30 AM Re: Queen Elizabeth Has Died

....the Queen will be buried in an English oak coffin featuring brass handles that was designed more than 30 years ago, and lined with lead. The practice of burying royals in lead-lined coffins dates back hundreds of years. As Royal Family members are buried inside a chamber, rather than directly in the ground, their coffins are lined with lead in order to slow decomposition. The lead seals the coffin and prevents moisture from getting in, preserving the body for up to a year. The practice dates back to the Victorian era, when an airtight seal on a coffin was necessary to prevent the potent effects of decay in above-ground burials. Members of the Royal Family and English nobility have used coffins lined with lead for at least four centuries. According to Westminster Abbey records, Queen Elizabeth I and King Charles II were buried in lead-lined coffins, as were Princess Diana, Sir Winston Churchill and Sir Francis Drake. The combination of lead and oak makes for a heavy coffin, so heavy in fact, it is reported that eight military pallbearers will be needed to lift Queen Elizabeth II's coffin. From: [url]Why is Queen Elizabeth II's coffin lined with lead?

Edgy MD Sep 14 2022 12:03 PM Re: Queen Elizabeth Has Died

Drake was buried at sea. I imagine the lead in his coffin was more about sinkage than stinkage. Folks have tried to find his coffin, as where he was supposedly "buried" was reported for posterity, but to no avail.

MFS62 Sep 14 2022 12:08 PM Re: Queen Elizabeth Has Died

When my wife visited London, she went to Westminster Abbey and said the caskets of Sir Isaac Newton and George Orwell are also there. But I'm not sure if their caskets are radiation poof. Later

Edgy MD Sep 14 2022 12:41 PM Re: Queen Elizabeth Has Died

Orwell's remains are buried in Oxfordshire, northwest of London. Supposedly, anyhow. If Westminster has his casket, I don't think his bones are in it.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 14 2022 12:50 PM Re: Queen Elizabeth Has Died

Westminster has remains of some famous Brits, and monuments to others. So it can be hard to tell.

MFS62 Sep 14 2022 01:30 PM Re: Queen Elizabeth Has Died

There's a Poets Corner and an Authors Corner, so it may be there. Later

Benjamin Grimm Sep 14 2022 02:50 PM Re: Queen Elizabeth Has Died

But no Kiner's Korner.

MFS62 Sep 14 2022 03:52 PM Re: Queen Elizabeth Has Died

Benjamin Grimm wrote: But no Kiner's Korner. He didn't speak the King's English. (and at times, no version of English we could identify) Later

metirish Dec 28 2022 10:29 AM Re: Queen Elizabeth Has Died

Look, I think the family is a joke , and the US media obsession is comical. Having said that her State visit to Ireland in 2011 was met with great acclaim, she was charming etc and genuinely was moved by the reception. Attitudes change and the family are as much fodder on Irish TV as they are anywhere