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IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Fman99 Oct 09 2022 04:05 AM

Chris Bassitt vs Joe Musgrove, whom the Mets beat on July 24th. A 7:07 start and I will be a nervous wreck, pretty sure.

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 04:34 AM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

The fans have eyes and the pitchers have hills The Unfucking Part 2

G-Fafif Oct 09 2022 01:17 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

[tweet]https://twitter.com/mets/status/1579188555670499328[/tweet]

Edgy MD Oct 09 2022 01:49 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Guillorme, McCann, and Alvarez all get through the series without seeing a start.

roger_that Oct 09 2022 02:01 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Edgy MD wrote: Guillorme, McCann, and Alvarez all get through the series without seeing a start. Signifying what? That Buck hasn't lost his mind?

Ceetar Oct 09 2022 02:09 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

I mean, they mismanaged the roster to this point so I probably wouldn't randomly put him behind the plate, but Álvarez should be catching and if he had been, we wouldn't be playing this game.

Edgy MD Oct 09 2022 02:27 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Edgy MD wrote: Guillorme, McCann, and Alvarez all get through the series without seeing a start. Signifying what? That Buck hasn't lost his mind? Some things just signify themselves.

Edgy MD Oct 09 2022 02:40 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Activated before Game Two: Kalina Lindor. [TWEET]https://twitter.com/SNYtv/status/1578965185431470081[/TWEET]

whippoorwill Oct 09 2022 04:17 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

omg how cute is that?

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 04:29 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Game time is close 😜

Fman99 Oct 09 2022 04:55 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

OK I am as ready as I'll ever be. Let's do this, Mets

Fman99 Oct 09 2022 05:13 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Strong first inning, 7 pitches to get 3 outs for Bassitt

Willets Point Oct 09 2022 05:15 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

May all the innings' top halves be that quick and easy.

batmagadanleadoff Oct 09 2022 05:15 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Edgy MD wrote: Guillorme, McCann, and Alvarez all get through the series without seeing a start. Nido starting all three playoff games tells you exactly what the Mets think of McCann when the rubber hits the road.

Edgy MD Oct 09 2022 05:18 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

omg how cute is that? On a scale of 0 (no post-season Met daughter cuteness whatsoever) to 100 (Dakota Wendell), it's ... off the charts. [IMG]https://metsrostercentral.files.wordpress.com/2022/10/dakota.jpg[/IMG] It's at least 110, no? Not knocking Dakota here, but I think the bar has been re-set.

Willets Point Oct 09 2022 05:20 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Musgrove needs 7 pitches to get just one out.

Fman99 Oct 09 2022 05:21 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Ironically, I'd be rooting for the Padres over any of the other NL playoff teams this year, had they not lined up initially against the Mets. I do also like that they have the shoulder patch with the hitting Friar on it.

Willets Point Oct 09 2022 05:29 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Bell seems to losing clothing and accessories.

Edgy MD Oct 09 2022 05:33 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Very mbtn.net experience for me, here, seeing Bassitt out there pitching the deciding game in 40, and mentally seeing Bartolo Colón, Jeff Innis, and Pat Zachry with him. Ambiorix Burgos, not so much.

Fman99 Oct 09 2022 05:34 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Bassitt overthrowing and looking junky now. No me gusta

Fman99 Oct 09 2022 05:36 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

MAN THROW FUCKING STRIKES I CAN'T DO THIS

Willets Point Oct 09 2022 05:36 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Bassitt suddenly can't find the strike zone.

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 05:37 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Bassitt is laboring

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 05:38 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Another pitch count buildup

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 05:39 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Right on cue

bmfc1 Oct 09 2022 05:39 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

0-2 pitch. Does Buck have someone up?

Fman99 Oct 09 2022 05:39 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Fucking hell walk the 7-8 hitters and give up an RBI to the 9 guy. SUCK

Lefty Specialist Oct 09 2022 05:40 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Well, Bassitt should be able to hear the Pitchcom now in a silent Citi.

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 05:40 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Teddy kgb "Your hopes, your dreams? Poof"

bmfc1 Oct 09 2022 05:41 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Grisham hit under .200 but he hits two HRs and they're pitching around him like he's Tony Gwynn.

Lefty Specialist Oct 09 2022 05:43 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Bassitt needs to get his act together and pronto. That was a needlessly bad inning.

Edgy MD Oct 09 2022 05:43 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Seeing-eye single. Nola fouled off a lot of good pitches, but maybe Bassie needed to expand just a little-bit more.

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 05:44 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

2-0 Doable Tijuan Walker next?

Lefty Specialist Oct 09 2022 05:49 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Not doable if they hit like that.

Fman99 Oct 09 2022 05:49 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Here's a madcap notion. Throw strikes

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 05:50 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Lefty Specialist wrote: Not doable if they hit like that. I know

Edgy MD Oct 09 2022 05:51 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

[FIMG=450]https://metsrostercentral.files.wordpress.com/2022/10/banner.jpg[/FIMG]

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 05:54 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Stfu Machado

Fman99 Oct 09 2022 05:54 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Stop calling time, stay in the damn batters box.

Edgy MD Oct 09 2022 05:55 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Soto did that Derek Jeter bullshit hold-up-your-hand-to-the-ump-while-you-dig-a-sexy-groove-in-the-batter's-box thing when he was with the Nats. Now he's kinda worse.

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 05:55 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Edgy MD wrote: [FIMG=450]https://metsrostercentral.files.wordpress.com/2022/10/banner.jpg[/FIMG] You wouldn't jump out of that window now would you?

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 05:56 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Get some hits! NOW

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 05:57 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Plunk a Padre

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 05:58 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Son of Duda

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 05:59 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Start stepping out of the box Mets

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 06:00 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

This is very sad

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 06:01 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Puke

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 06:02 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Not much to chat about

Fman99 Oct 09 2022 06:02 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Losing and rolling over. Bad times

Edgy MD Oct 09 2022 06:02 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Jeez, ashie, nice serial shit in the thread. Please don't make me unleash Tug McGraw again.

roger_that Oct 09 2022 06:03 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

scoreless, hitless, fruitless...

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 06:04 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Really

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 06:04 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

18 outs left

whippoorwill Oct 09 2022 06:04 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Hubby and I have decided the padres uniform colors are based on poopie and pee

Edgy MD Oct 09 2022 06:04 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

ashie, if you insist on being such a downer, there's a lot of good porn out there you could be looking at.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 09 2022 06:07 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Top of the order in the fourth. They can certainly get something going. It's way too early to give up.

Fman99 Oct 09 2022 06:07 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Edgy MD wrote: ashie, if you insist on being such a downer, there's a lot of good porn out there you could be looking at. I've spent the last 25 years validating this testimony.

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 06:07 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Edgy, that's really fucked up

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 06:09 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

How is that a walk?

Lefty Specialist Oct 09 2022 06:09 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Bassitt still throwing too many balls....

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 06:10 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Dang

Edgy MD Oct 09 2022 06:11 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Edgy, that's really fucked up Well, at least you're reading and not just serial dumping. [FIMG=450]http://www.insidetheparkcollectibles.com/ItemImages/000020/20121b_lg.jpeg[/FIMG]

Lefty Specialist Oct 09 2022 06:12 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Padres doing the little things. Mets doing nothing.

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 06:12 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Buck should consider getting himself tossed

bmfc1 Oct 09 2022 06:14 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Bassitt is giving them the chance to get these hits with his walks. Should have started Walker who can handle NY.

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 06:15 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Maybe they can get the crowd back into it

whippoorwill Oct 09 2022 06:20 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Bassit saying it's the hardest place to play… My husband played in a local park with a street running through the outfield.., Get real. NYC is a dream place to play I can't stay up late tonight so they better get their asses in gear so I can sleep

metsmarathon Oct 09 2022 06:20 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Joe musgrove lubricates his ears, doesn't he? They look like shiny plastic.

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 06:20 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

BIG BUCK

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 06:21 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Buck made a moment there. The crowd bought in

Edgy MD Oct 09 2022 06:22 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Joe musgrove lubricates his ears, doesn't he? They look like shiny plastic. He's totally an ear lube guy. [FIMG=400]https://di2ponv0v5otw.cloudfront.net/posts/2018/12/03/5c05f2329fe48693163c56c0/m_5c05f2569519967e05d74173.jpg[/FIMG]

Lefty Specialist Oct 09 2022 06:23 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Bassitt has had two high-pressure starts in the last week and he's come up small in both of them. Yeah, it's tough to play in New York, but it's also tough to watch games like this.

bmfc1 Oct 09 2022 06:25 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Max, Jake, Bassitt. 2 big starts for each, one against ATL and one here. One good start out of six.

Fman99 Oct 09 2022 06:25 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Lefty Specialist wrote: Bassitt has had two high-pressure starts in the last week and he's come up small in both of them. Yeah, it's tough to play in New York, but it's also tough to watch games like this. It's tough to watch him take a big shit on the mound in big spots, too. Lots of things are tough.

bmfc1 Oct 09 2022 06:28 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Bassitt can opt-out. Maybe he can go to a lower-pressured environment like Anaheim.

whippoorwill Oct 09 2022 06:29 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

=metsmarathon post_id=110834 time=1665361220 user_id=83] Joe musgrove lubricates his ears, doesn't he? They look like shiny plastic.

Lol it's the Musgrave Ritual

Lefty Specialist Oct 09 2022 06:29 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

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The Hot Corner Oct 09 2022 06:29 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

The offense isn't doing anything either. Peterson isn't doing to well at holding down the fort.

Willets Point Oct 09 2022 06:31 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Some unfucking is absolutely vital right now.

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 06:32 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

It only takes one hit to get something started

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 06:33 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Just like that

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 06:33 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Pete fought it off

Willets Point Oct 09 2022 06:33 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Musgrove will not be getting a second no-hitter this year at least.

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 06:34 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Squirrel attack!

Edgy MD Oct 09 2022 06:35 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Met rallies are everywhere. There may be on in your house right now. https://oldpeakfinance.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/blog_Yagottabelieve.png>

Willets Point Oct 09 2022 06:39 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Why couldn't have that carried?

Marshmallowmilkshake Oct 09 2022 06:39 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Darn. I thought Cahna had one there.

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 06:40 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

C'mon Vogie

kcmets Oct 09 2022 06:40 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

[BIGPURPLE]VogelK!![/BIGPURPLE]

Willets Point Oct 09 2022 06:41 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Got any links to some good porn, Edgy?

Lefty Specialist Oct 09 2022 06:46 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

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Edgy MD Oct 09 2022 06:47 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Willets Point wrote: Got any links to some good porn, Edgy? I'm advocating for the Mets to replace Nido with Álvarez when his turn comes around again. Hopefully that would be kinda porny. https://u-mercari-images.mercdn.net/photos/m43067563771_1.jpg?1661379976&w=200&h=200&fitcrop&sharpen>

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 06:49 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Can Mr Met hit?

Fman99 Oct 09 2022 06:50 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

=ashie62 post_id=110859 time=1665362948 user_id=90]Can Mr Met hit?

Given his uniform of choice, I am skeptical

Frayed Knot Oct 09 2022 06:51 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

The parade of relievers isn't going to make a difference if'n they don't hit.

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 06:51 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Oh well

Edgy MD Oct 09 2022 06:52 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

The Mets have had three pitchers this game, and none of them have had greasy ears. #WinningHygiene https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRTLVKZoScbCsFlOqBhaTUc_7ImtEv_Lst26w&usqp=CAU>

The Hot Corner Oct 09 2022 06:53 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

The Mets offense needs to kick in. This is still doable, but they need to start getting some hits.

Willets Point Oct 09 2022 06:54 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Buck pointing out Musgrove's earwax balls.

bmfc1 Oct 09 2022 06:54 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 09 2022 06:54 PM

The Mets were hit 105 times and barely looked over. POS Grisham gets hit and stares at the Mets dugout while the ESPN announcers say that it was "suspicious". F 'em all.

Fman99 Oct 09 2022 06:54 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Yeah let's look at all of his goo I like it

Edgy MD Oct 09 2022 06:54 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Talking about the ears! https://www.archbalt.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/20191002T1407-30757-CNS-METS-INSPIRE-EVANGELIZATION_800-234x300.jpg>

Fman99 Oct 09 2022 06:55 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Aw I guess they didn't find anything. He must just be a slimy eared fucker by nature

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 06:55 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Fuck you Machado

Frayed Knot Oct 09 2022 06:55 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

This is going to look bad for Buck/Mets if this search doesn't turn up something.

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 06:56 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

I've seen better ears on UFC guys

Willets Point Oct 09 2022 06:56 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Good bit of gamesmanship by Buck if nothing else.

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 06:58 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Alvarez would look better here

bmfc1 Oct 09 2022 06:58 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Should be PHing Luis now for Nido.

bmfc1 Oct 09 2022 06:58 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Frayed Knot wrote: This is going to look bad for Buck/Mets if this search doesn't turn up something. Worse than losing the WC series?

kcmets Oct 09 2022 06:59 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Always see something new from time to time. Never saw a pitcher's ears checked; I wouldn't go checking a stranger's ears without wearing some gloves. Yuck.

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 07:01 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

It is getting ugly at the park

Edgy MD Oct 09 2022 07:01 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

I applaud the dressing down of Musgroves, but we forgot to sub in Álvarez for Nido. https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcReJyTDDNnsBv6ozGcDJx-FK5bqTlZXV1DleA&usqp=CAU>

Willets Point Oct 09 2022 07:02 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Willets Point wrote: Good bit of gamesmanship by Buck if nothing else. But apparently nothing is good enough to shake Musgrove and/or inspire the bats to wake up.

Frayed Knot Oct 09 2022 07:02 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Frayed Knot wrote: This is going to look bad for Buck/Mets if this search doesn't turn up something. Worse than losing the WC series? It'll look like: 'we can't hit him so he must be cheating'

bmfc1 Oct 09 2022 07:03 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Poor widdle baby. The Mets were hit 106+ times and did nothing. He gets felt up once and cries. What a dick.

whippoorwill Oct 09 2022 07:03 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Hubby and I said one 😬more😬inning😬but I am not staying up for an effing one hit last game of a season

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 07:04 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Moving right along

kcmets Oct 09 2022 07:04 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Willets Point wrote: Good bit of gamesmanship by Buck if nothing else. He certainly looked worried like they were on to something.

whippoorwill Oct 09 2022 07:05 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 10 2022 05:19 AM

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ashie62 Oct 09 2022 07:05 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

That sounded funny

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 07:06 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

=whippoorwill post_id=110887 time=1665363938 user_id=79] WHERE IS LUNCHY????

At the game?

whippoorwill Oct 09 2022 07:07 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

He's no been here for weeks!

Willets Point Oct 09 2022 07:08 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Frayed Knot wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: This is going to look bad for Buck/Mets if this search doesn't turn up something. Worse than losing the WC series? It'll look like: 'we can't hit him so he must be cheating' It looks to me like his ears are covered in a thick fluid and his spin rate is off the chart, so maybe he is cheating and it behooves the manager to check.

bmfc1 Oct 09 2022 07:09 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/TheCUTCH22/status/1579274865856507904[/TWEET]

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 07:09 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

This is unrelenting

Edgy MD Oct 09 2022 07:10 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Fun Fact That Probably Isn't a Fact but Maybe Is, You Never Know: Jay Howell is Musgrove's uncle. [YOUTUBE]_3F2Wq3AMK8[/YOUTUBE] https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQraiWA15qaKP-TLE9CO3YJAJ0GP9-wf5dE3A&usqp=CAU>

Fman99 Oct 09 2022 07:11 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

I am despondent

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 07:12 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Getting Musgrove out of the game can only help

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 07:13 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

I would use Edwin here

Willets Point Oct 09 2022 07:14 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Not for nothing, but Musgrove was an Astro in 2017.

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 07:16 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Yes

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 07:17 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Yes!

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 07:18 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Mets have get something this inning 1 or 2 runs bare minimum

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 07:19 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

[BIGPURPLE]LETS GO METS [/BIGPURPLE]

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 07:21 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Light this fucker up

roger_that Oct 09 2022 07:22 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 09 2022 07:23 PM

The last time this year for the heart of the order? The Mets don't score this inning, and it's up to the bottom of the order guys.

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 07:22 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

RALLY CAP

Fman99 Oct 09 2022 07:22 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Get Rudy Stein up there to lean into one please

Frayed Knot Oct 09 2022 07:23 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/TheCUTCH22/status/1579274865856507904[/TWEET] Do we know which brand? Does Frank's work better than Texas Pete's or Chulula?

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 07:23 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Dumbo ears got squeezed

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 07:24 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

[BIGPURPLE] LET'S GO METS![/BIGPURPLE]

Fman99 Oct 09 2022 07:24 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Frayed Knot wrote: [TWEET]https://twitter.com/TheCUTCH22/status/1579274865856507904[/TWEET] Do we know which brand? Does Frank's work better than Texas Pete's or Chulula? This is the same reason I dip my dork & nertz into turkey gravy every weekday. Keeps me locked into my work tasks.

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 07:25 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Runner in position

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 07:28 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Damn, Petey got some wood on it

Edgy MD Oct 09 2022 07:29 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Red Hot ears. How goofy. [FIMG=500]https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/08/piazza-sport-baseball-01.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=1024[/FIMG]

kcmets Oct 09 2022 07:30 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

This isn't going to end well...

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 07:31 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Rats

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 07:31 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Musgrove may go nine

Fman99 Oct 09 2022 07:33 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Can we call a do-over and start at inning 1 again? Asking for a friend

metsmarathon Oct 09 2022 07:34 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

I believe. I believe. It's silly but I believe

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 07:34 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

I'm trying

Edgy MD Oct 09 2022 07:35 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

I believe. I believe. It's silly but I believe I'm right there with you, 'thon. https://static01.nyt.com/images/2015/09/15/nyregion/NYTODAY16/NYTODAY16-articleLarge.jpg?quality=75&auto=webp&disable=upscale>

Lefty Specialist Oct 09 2022 07:35 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Yay, a 4 pitch leadoff walk.

Edgy MD Oct 09 2022 07:37 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Diaz up. Gotta believe. [FIMG=400]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f0/Mumford_%26_Sons_-_Believe.png[/FIMG]

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 07:37 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Ok, now the deGrom last game as a Met tripe

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 07:38 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Time for Edwin Why not? Geez

whippoorwill Oct 09 2022 07:39 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Stranger things have happened 😃

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 07:39 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Any big intro here?

kcmets Oct 09 2022 07:39 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

It's probably too late, but... [YOUTUBE]XKkiLEb9Hms[/YOUTUBE]

Frayed Knot Oct 09 2022 07:40 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Timmy Trumpet seems out of place here.

metsmarathon Oct 09 2022 07:40 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

The trumpets is weird coming in down 4-0 in an elimination game… but maybe it's just what the fuck this damned team needs

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 07:40 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Get the outs here And regroup, deep breaths

metsmarathon Oct 09 2022 07:41 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Maybe they had taps queued up but hit the wrong button

Edgy MD Oct 09 2022 07:41 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

The trumpet tune has never been more appropriate. [FIMG=500]https://6dollarshirts.com/image/cache//data/designs/believepaper/believepaper-navy-750x750.jpg[/FIMG]

whippoorwill Oct 09 2022 07:41 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Frayed Knot wrote: Timmy Trumpet seems out of place here. Yes this should be a song of triumph

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 07:42 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Need a K here

metsmarathon Oct 09 2022 07:42 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Gotta say. I do like the bunting that the Padres are doing. Not liking that it's against us of course.

bmfc1 Oct 09 2022 07:42 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Diaz should have started the inning.

roger_that Oct 09 2022 07:44 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

=bmfc1 post_id=110936 time=1665366171 user_id=73] Diaz should have started the inning.

Gotta save him for tomorrow.

whippoorwill Oct 09 2022 07:45 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Hubby watching on tv. Me testing in bed (early day tomorrow)

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 07:45 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

100 mph

Edgy MD Oct 09 2022 07:45 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Frayed Knot wrote: Timmy Trumpet seems out of place here. Yes this should be a song of triumph That's what it is! https://metsmerizedonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/mets-win-fans-phillies-cbp-e1475292386628.jpg>

whippoorwill Oct 09 2022 07:45 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Jesus. Resting not testing 🤦‍♀️

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 07:45 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

And not with a bang but a whimper

Lefty Specialist Oct 09 2022 07:46 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

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Fman99 Oct 09 2022 07:46 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Christ this is depressing

Frayed Knot Oct 09 2022 07:46 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Say good night Gracie.

The Hot Corner Oct 09 2022 07:47 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Now, I Gotta Believe It's Over

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 07:47 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Let's get 6

metsmarathon Oct 09 2022 07:47 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

I regret ever thinking, ‘hey I like those padres. I hope they do well this year'

metsmarathon Oct 09 2022 07:48 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

The champagne will be so very sickeningly sweet.

Edgy MD Oct 09 2022 07:48 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Juan gone. Mets time. [fimg=500]https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0797/7239/products/IMG_0253_2048x.jpg?v=1607357060[/fimg]

bmfc1 Oct 09 2022 07:51 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Musgrove had pitched 22 innings over his last 4 starts (1 ER) but the grind-every-AB Mets couldn't hit him and he lasted 7.

Frayed Knot Oct 09 2022 07:51 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Well I'd like to thank them for taking Musgroves out. Probably won't matter, but it's something.

Lefty Specialist Oct 09 2022 07:52 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5963bd771e5b6c97155e738b/1508630099250-RTTT0WNJQ66SEH15BPFC/Screen+Shot+2017-10-21+at+7.54.42+PM.png?format=1000w>

Edgy MD Oct 09 2022 07:53 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Not a sellout? Wow. [FIMG=600]https://miro.medium.com/max/1400/1*MtSNtufMU-a6forDLjtCvw.jpeg[/FIMG]

Frayed Knot Oct 09 2022 07:55 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Offensive highlight of the inning = foul pop out

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 07:55 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

This is pathetic and embarrassing I am going to get roasted tomorrow SCORE 6

roger_that Oct 09 2022 07:58 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Naw, this is fun baseball. It's all good.

Frayed Knot Oct 09 2022 07:59 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

From the 1st of July thru the end of the season, the Padres were two games over .500

Edgy MD Oct 09 2022 07:59 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Gosh, fuck all that noise. Nobody has anything to be embarrassed about. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/02/4b/7e/024b7eea712f8484be77156f4fe0acb3.jpg>

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 08:00 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Getting a last look at some Mets FA's

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 08:01 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

This is it Nido leads off

metsmarathon Oct 09 2022 08:03 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Hader coming in. Let's fucking go.

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 08:04 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Nido is hitting, really?

Edgy MD Oct 09 2022 08:04 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

I can't think of anybody I'd rather come back against more than Hader. [FIMG=400]https://i.pinimg.com/236x/3b/e3/43/3be3437a4d8d88d0a0c554bcf3794344--mets-baseball-new-york-mets.jpg[/FIMG] [FIMG=300]https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.885678219.3626/poster,504x498,f8f8f8-pad,600x600,f8f8f8.jpg[/FIMG] [FIMG=700]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D3p3DkcWsAALqCo.jpg[/FIMG]

bmfc1 Oct 09 2022 08:05 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Nido batting in the 9th speaks volumes about the roster construction of this team.

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 08:05 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Suck it Hader

roger_that Oct 09 2022 08:05 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

You're right, it's not embarrassing. "Humiliating" is more precise. "Disgraceful" also comes to mind.

roger_that Oct 09 2022 08:07 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

What are they saving Alvarez for, do you suppose?

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 08:09 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Poop

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 08:10 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Time to change the channel Goodbye 2022 Mets

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 08:11 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

One more batter

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 08:12 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Marte is sucking it up

Marshmallowmilkshake Oct 09 2022 08:12 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

101-win season flushed away.

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 08:13 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

This is it. Over

Fman99 Oct 09 2022 08:14 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Turned it off the instant that the ball hit the first baseman's glove. Bye bye, 2022 Mets, I loved you.

metsmarathon Oct 09 2022 08:14 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

That's it. I'm switching to dry champagne for next year.

roger_that Oct 09 2022 08:14 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Never close.

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 08:14 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

It was a great ride that ended so so early

Frayed Knot Oct 09 2022 08:15 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 09 2022 08:15 PM

So other than getting thoroughly out-played in games 1 & 3 [13 - 1], it was a pretty good series.

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 08:15 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

The Phillies move on, ouch

bmfc1 Oct 09 2022 08:22 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

=ashie62 post_id=110982 time=1665368144 user_id=90] The Phillies move on, ouch

One more win and this wouldn't have happened and the Mets would be playing PHI who they dominated.

metsmarathon Oct 09 2022 08:23 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Despite the fact that I now hate them, the Padres will be the team I root for out of the NL. There's really no other choice.

Frayed Knot Oct 09 2022 08:31 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

The Phillies move on, ouch One more win and this wouldn't have happened and the Mets would be playing PHI who they dominated. Which is why 17 - 13 during the "easy" part of the schedule (not to mention losing 6 of our last 7 to the Braves) was such a killer.

Edgy MD Oct 09 2022 08:34 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

It's too bad. The Mets had them where they wanted 'em.

Willets Point Oct 09 2022 08:40 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Disappointing finish, but this feels like 1985 to me, winning a shitton of games but not enough to win the division, and a sad finish. Hopefully will lead to a dominating 2023.

whippoorwill Oct 09 2022 08:47 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Fun to have you guys to share it with!

bmfc1 Oct 09 2022 08:58 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/BackPageGuyNYDN/status/1579304418524397569[/TWEET]

stevejrogers Oct 09 2022 09:09 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

=metsmarathon post_id=110984 time=1665368583 user_id=83] Despite the fact that I now hate them, the Padres will be the team I root for out of the NL. There's really no other choice.

I usually go with “They played the postseason that year!?” Especially if an NL East team plays the MFYs in the Workd Series

roger_that Oct 09 2022 09:17 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Probably a coincidence, but I haven't had a drink in 63 days, and I just cracked the seal on a fifth of Jack Daniels. Gonna be a long winter.

nymr83 Oct 09 2022 10:17 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

=roger_that post_id=110994 time=1665371855 user_id=128] Probably a coincidence, but I haven't had a drink in 63 days, and I just cracked the seal on a fifth of Jack Daniels. Gonna be a long winter.

It certainly looked that way, but the Jets (3-2) and Giants (4-1) seem to have other ideas despite preseason predictions of doom and gloom.

batmagadanleadoff Oct 09 2022 10:43 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

I dunno. I think this Winter is gonna be just as long or as short as every other that preceded it. Playoff baseball is a crapshoot. You might as well throw darts at your wall blindfolded to try and figure out who's gonna win any single series. The Dodgers are the undisputed best team in baseball over the last 10 years and its not close. They sign top tier MVP caliber free agents. They trade for top tier MVP caliber players. They've been developing the best players in baseball over the last 10 years. And they have no holes in their starting lineup. No James McCanns. They're a powerhouse. And they have one World Series crown to show for all of that. Just one. And in a 60 game Covid shortened season, no less. Just one World Series title. And there's nothing wrong with that. It's supposed to go like that. Because playoff baseball blah blah blah short series' between good teams blah blah yada and all that luck that pollutes baseball yada yada blah. It's a game of a lotta luck where the differences between two teams 10 games apart in the standings is way tinier than most people think. If less teams made the playoffs, I'm certain that the Dodgers would have several more titles. The only thing that I think the Dodgers should be favored to do this Fall is to not win the 2022 World Series. And it's not because they're not baseball's best team. They are. Easily. The Mets were tremendous this year. They won 101 games -- and with deGrom and Scherzer combined, missing close to an entire season -- and getting the kid glove hothouse flower treatment for a good chunk of their active stretches. That's how you measure a team -- by the 162 game regular season. Playoffs are just a spectacle. The regular season is William Shakespeare and the playoffs are Archie comics. It's a gimmick.

roger_that Oct 10 2022 05:39 AM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

You'd be singing --well, warbling off-key and forgetting most of the lyrics--a different song if the Mets had won the World Series this year. Then it would be all "It's the playoff system that really tests your mettle," and blah blah blah. It never ceases to amaze me how you can rationalize any weak bullshit and come to the conclusion "We actually did very well this year" whatever the facts tell you. The fact is the 101-win season didn't mean a damned thing--it didn't mean the Mets were dominant, it didn't mean their pitching was their secret advantage over the rest of the league, it didn't mean they were a well-run organization, and it certainly didn't mean that Cohen's wallet would get them the players they needed when they needed them. If character meant anything, they would have found a way to eke out a single win during the nail-in-the-coffin Atlanta series, one win that would have made all the difference now, and if they had pulled out a single win when they needed one so desparately, i'm sure you would be citing that win as a sure sign of the character of this fabulous team. What does that one win's absence tell you? Not a lack of character, that's for sure, which tells me that your way of evaluating character is deeply, deeply flawed. If you object to the term "character," fine. I'm probably with you on that, but this team lacked something in the end. And whatever else you want to call that lack, you can't just call it "luck" and skip off on your merry way. We're going to see a whole new version of the Mets next year, but I will guarantee you two things: 1) they will have the highest payroll in all of baseball (again) and 2) you will do anything to ignore fundamental ways in which that team is mis-run.

Lefty Specialist Oct 10 2022 06:16 AM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Well, this team underperformed in the clutch. Yeah, I know that's pretty obvious. But they never quite jelled the way they were supposed to. The players had good seasons, but seemingly not at the same time. Alonso and Lindor had ice-cold stretches. Escobar took the first five months off. The catchers never did anything to speak of offensively. Hard to believe a 101-win team could underperform. Everybody who talks about 'Wow, the Mets have the two best starters ever' needs to shut up. DeGrom was NOT the deGrom we've known in the past. There were flashes, but he seems to be a 5 inning-pitcher who gets hurt a lot and takes a long time to recover. Scherzer seems to have taken a step back, too, which is inevitable at his age. Carrasco was the scariest 15-game winner I ever saw. Bassitt, as we saw, pitches fine when the season is NOT on the line. His last two starts were Archie Bells. At least Walker was relatively consistent. This team will require a lot more money to be held together, and I don't think it should be. They're going to have some tough decisions to make. Fortunately they've got a lot of time between now and the end of the World Series to think about them.

kcmets Oct 10 2022 06:36 AM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Any of that Jack left, roger_that? [YOUTUBE]_KClpLzFftU[/YOUTUBE]

Ceetar Oct 10 2022 07:00 AM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

The Mets were tremendous this year. They won 101 games -- and with deGrom and Scherzer combined, missing close to an entire season -- and getting the kid glove hothouse flower treatment for a good chunk of their active stretches. That's how you measure a team -- by the 162 game regular season. Playoffs are just a spectacle. The regular season is William Shakespeare and the playoffs are Archie comics. It's a gimmick. The Mets were favored to win this year. that's in part because projections systems underrate the Braves, particularly their rookies, because there's no major league data on them. So when they preform better than even reasonable hope, it makes the Braves better than projected. But that's a nod to the Braves system and a knock to the Mets one, who couldn't get Vientos, Baty or Álvarez up here to contribute even when they needed offense at those positions. This is a failure both of the dev system, and of the leadership that makes these decisions. They also didn't truly address their holes at the deadline, making marginal bet around the edges, which mostly felt like shoring up a deep playoff roster...except the Mets didn't have a deep playoff roster, so their "this is a really good platoon guy, and gives us flexibility!" additions get overused, and they struggled. So favored, again, and they lost the division, again. The goal of the regular season is to win the division. They failed, miserably. Having multiple chances to do it, even going back to May 4th, when they got drummed in the final of 4 with Atlanta to split that series. They were 6 back instead of 8 after that win. Those early wins matter too. If they'd won the regular season and lost in 3 to the Dodgers, you'd be pissed, but it would've been a successful season. This year? this was a failure. And now there are a lot of moving parts for next year, and there's been no indication that this team has the personnel or willingness to expand the budget to piece this together. Not only do you need to spend a ton of money, you need to spend it in the right places. You can't just give Aaron Judge a billion dollars and pretend that fixes the offense.

The Hot Corner Oct 10 2022 07:34 AM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Did I want the Mets to win and move on to play the Dodgers? Hell, yes. Did I think they would beat the Padres? I certainly hoped so, but I wouldn't have bet on it. In reality, I believe the Padres were a tough draw (obviously) for the Mets. Yu Darvish practically owned them this season (and his career). Joe Musgrove was very possibly the best pitcher in MLB the final 2-3 weeks of the season and he continued his dominant streak last night. The Padres won the season series against the Met 4-2, so this should not be the most shocking result. The Mets were a consistently good team throughout the year. Unfortunately, they came up short down the stretch, particularly in the crucial Atlanta series. Then again in playoffs against the Padres. I enjoyed watching them this season and though I was disappointed that they bowed out of the post-season so soon, I appreciate all that they accomplished in 2022. I realize that no team is assured victory, no matter how badly we fans desire it.

ashie62 Oct 10 2022 07:50 AM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Well said

roger_that Oct 10 2022 09:43 AM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

The Mets were tremendous this year. They won 101 games -- and with deGrom and Scherzer combined, missing close to an entire season -- and getting the kid glove hothouse flower treatment for a good chunk of their active stretches. That's how you measure a team -- by the 162 game regular season. Playoffs are just a spectacle. The regular season is William Shakespeare and the playoffs are Archie comics. It's a gimmick. The Mets were favored to win this year. that's in part because projections systems underrate the Braves, particularly their rookies, because there's no major league data on them. So when they preform better than even reasonable hope, it makes the Braves better than projected. But that's a nod to the Braves system and a knock to the Mets one, who couldn't get Vientos, Baty or Álvarez up here to contribute even when they needed offense at those positions. This is a failure both of the dev system, and of the leadership that makes these decisions. They also didn't truly address their holes at the deadline, making marginal bet around the edges, which mostly felt like shoring up a deep playoff roster...except the Mets didn't have a deep playoff roster, so their "this is a really good platoon guy, and gives us flexibility!" additions get overused, and they struggled. So favored, again, and they lost the division, again. The goal of the regular season is to win the division. They failed, miserably. Having multiple chances to do it, even going back to May 4th, when they got drummed in the final of 4 with Atlanta to split that series. They were 6 back instead of 8 after that win. Those early wins matter too. If they'd won the regular season and lost in 3 to the Dodgers, you'd be pissed, but it would've been a successful season. This year? this was a failure. And now there are a lot of moving parts for next year, and there's been no indication that this team has the personnel or willingness to expand the budget to piece this together. Not only do you need to spend a ton of money, you need to spend it in the right places. You can't just give Aaron Judge a billion dollars and pretend that fixes the offense. Spot-on analysis.

Gwreck Oct 10 2022 10:18 AM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

There's plenty correct and plenty of hyperbole in that analysis. projections systems underrate the Braves, particularly their rookies, because there's no major league data on them. So when they preform better than even reasonable hope, it makes the Braves better than projected. But that's a nod to the Braves system and a knock to the Mets one, who couldn't get Vientos, Baty or Álvarez up here to contribute even when they needed offense at those positions. This is a failure both of the dev system, and of the leadership that makes these decisions. Yes, the Mets failed to get their prospects up to the majors in sufficient time to see what they had to offer, let them adjust, and so forth. 100% correct. But, as also acknowledged here, the Braves' additions (eg. Harris and Strider) performed “better than even reasonable hope.” How do you counter that? Sometimes the other guy does get more lucky than you. Hence the obvious inconsistency in the argument. It would be foolish for the Mets to need “better than reasonable hope” from prospects to best the Braves. And, Baty was playing regularly before he got injured. That injury can be chalked up to bad luck. They also didn't truly address their holes at the deadline, making marginal bet around the edges, which mostly felt like shoring up a deep playoff roster...except the Mets didn't have a deep playoff roster, so their "this is a really good platoon guy, and gives us flexibility!" additions get overused, and they struggled. Agree again, that the trade deadline moves were insufficient. The team's lack of offensive depth was absolutely exposed, particularly after the Marte injury. Of course, it was well-documented that better players at the trade deadline required parting with better prospects. I wouldn't have been as hesitant to trade prospects as the Mets were, but realistically prospects were only going to if help this year if there were (1) in the majors or (2) available for trade. The Mets did neither, but prospect help can't be “double-counted” in the analysis. So favored, again, and they lost the division, again. The goal of the regular season is to win the division. They failed, miserably. Here's where you lose me with the hyperbole. 101 wins gets you the division almost every single time.. And they lost the division by a game. 2021 being a miserable failure? Ok, fine. No argument. 2022? That's quite the misrepresentation. And now there are a lot of moving parts for next year, and there's been no indication that this team has the personnel or willingness to expand the budget to piece this together. There's plenty of reasons to have a healthy suspicion of how effective or good it is to have Steve Cohen as owner, but all evidence indicates plenty of willingness to “expand the budget.” To suggest there is “no indication” of such willingness ignores reality. Not only do you need to spend a ton of money, you need to spend it in the right places. You can't just give Aaron Judge a billion dollars and pretend that fixes the offense. Yes adding Aaron Judge would indeed fix most of the Mets' offensive woes. If he played for the Mets and provided half of his 2022 production, that's certainly the difference between winning and losing the division. No need to pretend otherwise. —- Of course, I doubt anyone seriously thinks the Mets will add Aaron Judge. We agree they do need to upgrade at DH (easily accomplished via the FA market) and catcher (eg. using Alvarez as a starter), while also retaining Nimmo.

batmagadanleadoff Oct 10 2022 10:55 AM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 10 2022 11:01 AM

You'd be singing --well, warbling off-key and forgetting most of the lyrics--a different song if the Mets had won the World Series this year. Then it would be all "It's the playoff system that really tests your mettle," and blah blah blah. It never ceases to amaze me how you can rationalize any weak bullshit and come to the conclusion "We actually did very well this year" whatever the facts tell you. You're here 10 minutes and you act as if you know me all your life. I've been minimizing baseball's post-season probably since I was a teen-ager. And back then, only four teams made the playoffs. It's a luck fest. It means crap other than to provide the sport and the season the badly needed closure that its players and fans must have. It's a spectacle and it's fun but it means very little in assessing which of the participating teams is the best of all. Seven playoff games or 15 playoff games doesn't carry more weight, not even remotely, than the 162 games that comprises the regular season. And this opinion of mine wouldn't change even if the Mets were to win the World Series this year. I still tell people that the 1969 Orioles were a better team than the 1969 Mets and if those two teams played each other 100 times, the Orioles would have easlily won the majority of the games played between the two teams. The Mets winning the 1969 WS and the '69 Orioles being the better team aren't inconsistent or irreconcilable outcomes. But let the pundits and the experts over-analyze playoff games the same way you attach so much weight to Alonso's throwaway comment about having fun. I'm sure Alonso gave that "fun" comment as much thought and reflection as one of his farts in the shower or him picking up a napkin to kill a spider that wandered into his kitchen. Who's the nutjob? What? The Mets are supposed to go undefeated in the playoffs? Win every game by sheer will? Win every game just because they want to? Or because you want them to? If they could do that, they would've gone 162-0 in the regular season. You have ridiculous expectations, and from a sport that's polluted with luck, way more so than any other of the major team sports games. Baseball is an extremely flawed game, no matter what the poets wax about how great the game is and the sheer bullshit about how bases that are 90 feet apart is supposed to be some standard of perfection. The fact is the 101-win season didn't mean a damned thing--it didn't mean the Mets were dominant, it didn't mean their pitching was their secret advantage over the rest of the league, it didn't mean they were a well-run organization, and it certainly didn't mean that Cohen's wallet would get them the players they needed when they needed them. If your'e making a statement here, that's your right. But if you're claiming that I said the Mets were well run or that they had all of the players they needed, well then find that quote. You won't because I never said anything like that. I said that the Mets had one of baseball's best teams this season. If you disagree, show us how they didn't have one of baseball's best teams. If character meant anything, they would have found a way to eke out a single win during the nail-in-the-coffin Atlanta series, one win that would have made all the difference now, and if they had pulled out a single win when they needed one so desparately, i'm sure you would be citing that win as a sure sign of the character of this fabulous team. What does that one win's absence tell you? Not a lack of character, that's for sure, which tells me that your way of evaluating character is deeply, deeply flawed. More straw man crap. I don't believe in baseball character and I loathe, despise the way playoff baseball always come down to "character" in the reporting. If you object to the term "character," fine. I'm probably with you on that, but this team lacked something in the end. And whatever else you want to call that lack, you can't just call it "luck" and skip off on your merry way. Oh OK. So character in baseball is a myth. But I should believe in it anyways. And then suffer your straw man attacks because I don't believe in baseball character. Or because I do believe in baseball character. Talk about having it both ways. We're going to see a whole new version of the Mets next year, but I will guarantee you two things: 1) they will have the highest payroll in all of baseball (again) and 2) you will do anything to ignore fundamental ways in which that team is mis-run. Yeah sure, whatever. The team is mis-run because Pete Alonso said that the playoffs are fun. And then you invent a lot of shit that you pull out of your asshole to challenge my posts and general understanding of baseball. And now you're so distraught that you come off like you should be calling the suicide hotline because Alonso is happy to be in the playoffs, his first ever, even after the Mets lost the opener to the Padres.

roger_that Oct 10 2022 11:00 AM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

On one level, a binary decision to acquire serious DH and/or C upgrades at the trading deadline can now be evaluated. They decided No, we've got this in hand with what we have, approximately, and we can now see that as a decision to take aim your own foot and fire away. Second guessing? No, I think there were a lot of voices crying out at the time that were all shouted down by the "We've got this in this bag" crowd. You can file that under "bad luck" if you want to badly enough, but I don't think that's even close to a correct analysis. You could also file it under "shit happens" or "baseball is supposed to be fun" or "get a life," too, but I prefer to take hard looks at what went wrong when things go wrong. Things went horribly wrong.

Ceetar Oct 10 2022 11:06 AM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

you're misreading me. I'm not saying the Mets need "better than reasonable hope" from their prospects. I'm saying Atlanta has a more complete talented player dev system, and a more consistent plan of promotion. Yes, they ended up doing even better than that, even faster. But they put them in positions to succeed, and the Mets promotions seemed like reactions to twitter pressure, desperate ,and could be argued put them in a position to fail. I'm not saying Cohen is unwilling to expand the budget, i'm saying he's unwilling to expand it to compensate for the MANY players that are now free agents. He's said stuff about the budget not being unlimited ,which means it exists, which means decisions have to be made. And they've botched some of these decisions in the past, from draft to trade deadline to offseason. There is no indication that this team is up to the task. I hope so, but I don't think any of them have the track record to say "I trust Billy Eppler implicitly to put the best options in place" Obviously Judge would help. If he's healthy, if the Mets have secondary options if he's not, if the entire roster is filled out beyond him and they're not just like "well, if he gets hurt we'll hope Vientos is fine". There's a lot of moving pieces that are subtracting from the season, never mind season to season variability. Just adding Judge would unlikely be enough as the only significant move this offseason. sure, saying this was _miserably_ is hyperbole (but it's not for last year). maybe _repeatedly_ is a better adjective. There were multiple things they botched this season. Essentially they won 101 but they distributed them about as poorly as you could. They won 101 but were 10-12 against the teams that decided their fate. They did a lot of things wrong, and I would like to see them correct those things, I just don't have the confidence in this team that they are up to it.

batmagadanleadoff Oct 10 2022 11:07 AM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

=roger_that post_id=111011 time=1665416626 user_id=128] =Ceetar post_id=111001 time=1665406823 user_id=102] You can't just give Aaron Judge a billion dollars and pretend that fixes the offense.

Spot-on analysis.


Really? I'm certain that the Mets having Aaron Judge on their team this year would've upgraded the Mets offense tremendously. Any contrary opinion is just crazy talk.

Ceetar Oct 10 2022 11:08 AM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

I only mention Judge because I feel like this admin has had a certain attraction to the big name, the trendy guy, and he's certainly that. And i'm talking about next year, not this one.

batmagadanleadoff Oct 10 2022 11:11 AM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

You can't just give Aaron Judge a billion dollars and pretend that fixes the offense. Spot-on analysis. Really? I'm certain that the Mets having Aaron Judge on their team this year would've upgraded the Mets offense tremendously. Any contrary opinion is just crazy talk. But this from a guy who last Spring wrote that Showalter was a bad choice to manage the Mets because he had "Yankee taint". What are you, eight years old?

Edgy MD Oct 10 2022 11:12 AM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Indeed, that's the trap, though. The billion dollars doesn't get you this year. It gets you the next ten.

Edgy MD Oct 10 2022 11:15 AM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Yankee taint is a funny term. Bartolo Colón probably had a really big Yankee taint. I don't know that it would be the biggest, though. I'm just guessing.

batmagadanleadoff Oct 10 2022 11:15 AM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

=Ceetar post_id=111022 time=1665421708 user_id=102] I only mention Judge because I feel like this admin has had a certain attraction to the big name, the trendy guy, and he's certainly that. And i'm talking about next year, not this one.

Oh. So we're supposed to expect Aaron Judge to suck next year? Because why? Because he only hit 62 HR's this year? Because he set the all-time rookie record (since broken) for most HR's in a season?

Ceetar Oct 10 2022 11:27 AM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

because he's a large human being going into his age 31 season? because injury hasn't been uncommon for him? Because regression is almost baked in? Because it's baseball and one player is rarely the difference? Because it might be Judge instead of Brandon Nimmo who's really good? I'm not saying he's going to be bad, I'm saying making him the major acquisition without addressing all the other issues is not enough to be confident at first place next year.

batmagadanleadoff Oct 10 2022 11:42 AM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

=Ceetar post_id=111027 time=1665422847 user_id=102] because he's a large human being going into his age 31 season? because injury hasn't been uncommon for him? Because regression is almost baked in?

You could say that about every player. James McCann is gonna regress, too. One day, McCann'll be even worse than he is now. I'd rather the Mets get Judge for 2023 than just about any other FA out there.


=Ceetar post_id=111027 time=1665422847 user_id=102]Because it's baseball and one player is rarely the difference? Unless it's Babe Ruth or Bob Gibson in their primes coming to a team that won 101 games.




=Ceetar post_id=111027 time=1665422847 user_id=102]I'm not saying he's going to be bad, I'm saying making him the major acquisition without addressing all the other issues is not enough to be confident at first place next year.


You're just assuming stuff. There's no evidence that the Mets are gonna sign Judge, or that he'd be the only new acquisition if the Mets did sign him. Although if the Mets bring in just one new face for next year, Judge is about as good as anybody.

Ceetar Oct 10 2022 11:52 AM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

yes, and they should move on from McCann too, not doing so in August is part of the reason they're done. I'm just saying Judge is more likely to be a 5win player over 130 games than an 10-11 win one over 155. And that's just 2023, not 2026. Still, I'd be thrilled if they got Judge, I'm not sure he's the best fit for the remaining roster, but you make it work. They're not coming to a team that won 101 games ,they're coming to the 2023 Mets. It's a fallacy to expect the same talent level to carry through year to year, never mind all the people leaving. I'm not assuming so much as saying, THERE IS A LOT OF WORK TO DO, and you can just say "we won a lot of games, we only need like one big acquisition" Maybe the better analogy is the Johan Santana trade. Great trade, great upgrade to a key spot, but maybe they didn't address the depth as much as they needed to.

metsmarathon Oct 10 2022 12:04 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

=Ceetar post_id=111032 time=1665424340 user_id=102]. Still, I'd be thrilled if they got Judge, I'm not sure he's the best fit for the remaining roster, but you make it work.

I feel like, if you couldn't find a way to fit Aaron judge into a major league roster, you've got no fuckkng business anywhere near baseball.



Given the choice between Aaron judge and Brandon Nimmo, who I absolutely love, I choose judge every fucking time. [CROSSOUT]Aaron judge put up two more bWAR this year than nimmo has in his entire career.[/CROSSOUT]. Bah. Misread it. I was looking at WAA. Nimmo has 9.6 wins above average for his career (17 bWAR). Judge just put up an 8.4 WAA (10.6 bWAR) So… I mean, I don't think that really hurts my argument much. Judge is good. He would likely help the Mets. ‘Fitting him' would be the smallest of concerns. Apologies for the confusion.

Gwreck Oct 10 2022 12:22 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Oct 10 2022 12:26 PM

you're misreading me. I'm not saying the Mets need "better than reasonable hope" from their prospects. I'm saying Atlanta has a more complete talented player dev system, and a more consistent plan of promotion. Yes, they ended up doing even better than that, even faster. But they put them in positions to succeed, and the Mets promotions seemed like reactions to twitter pressure, desperate ,and could be argued put them in a position to fail. Again, no doubt that Atlanta has had a better talent development system in place. Certainly that was a shortcoming of prior management, and it's also certainly too early to know if it's been improved. Any fair measurement of that is going to take several years. I'm not saying Cohen is unwilling to expand the budget, i'm saying he's unwilling to expand it to compensate for the MANY players that are now free agents. He's said stuff about the budget not being unlimited ,which means it exists, which means decisions have to be made. But this is based on supposition, that because there is a limit somewhere, that means enough won't be spent. There's no evidence for this claim. They need to replace 3 starting pitchers, a closer, a centerfielder, a few other bullpen arms, and then add a hitter, and maybe some new bench pieces. The budget gap is not as big as it might seem. Many of the players to be replaced are already making close to market value on one-year deals. Take Diaz: he's at $10M this year. DeGrom would require some additional fresh money to resign but it's not coming from zero; he was already making $28M this year. It's fine to take a pessimistic viewpoint, I guess, but there's no basis to for the idea that Cohen won't or can't spend sufficiently to make the team competitive. And they've botched some of these decisions in the past, from draft to trade deadline to offseason. There is no indication that this team is up to the task. I hope so, but I don't think any of them have the track record to say "I trust Billy Eppler implicitly to put the best options in place" This is a bit all over the place, and it plays both ways. Eppler has a 101 win team on the field. That's a success anywhere. His off-season acquisitions were a resounding success. I'll agree he underperformed at the most recent deadline but longer-term results are unclear given that prospects stayed put. And if you want to claim the Rocker draft was botched, fine - but that can't count against Eppler. There's no basis to complain about the most recent draft and far too early to judge results.

Lefty Specialist Oct 10 2022 12:25 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Yeah, I could probably find a way to cram Aaron Judge into my lineup. Somebody will offer him a stupoid amount of money. Question is will the Yankees match or exceed it. I want James McCann gone. They overpaid to get him and they're going to have to overpay to get rid of him. But he's such a vortex of suck. I may be in the minority, but if deGrom opts out of his contract I let him walk. He'll want ridiculous money for declining results.

batmagadanleadoff Oct 10 2022 12:29 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 10 2022 12:32 PM

Lefty Specialist wrote: I may be in the minority, but if deGrom opts out of his contract I let him walk. He'll want ridiculous money for declining results. I'm not sure where I stand on this. But seeing deGrom in 2021 was about as awesome a baseball experience as I've ever witnessed. I'm starting to believe that deGrom has already decided that he wants to play elsewhere and that he even knows specifically where he wants to play. This is just a hunch, but it's based on the few public comments he does make once in a while, and also, what little some of his teammates have said publicly about this situation.

Ceetar Oct 10 2022 12:32 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Nimmo's been hurt too, so it's not like you're trading health either. Judge has 121 more games, they both debuted in 2016. OBP is pretty close, Judge has a 163 vs 134 wRC+ edge (the over the fence thing, mainly) 36.5 fWAR to 17.9, just above twice, though a bunch of that's defense. Fangraphs dings Nimmo a little and credits judge, but he's mostly been RF versus Nimmo in Center. Nimmo's been really good, we shouldn't lose track of that, though Nimmo's offensive year this year was his 4th best by wRC+, mostly because he didn't hit as many out as usual, and walked less. He/the Mets prioritized contact, and I'm not sure that was good. But we can save that for a Nimmo thread. But if you expect an average career Judge, and you're replacing an average career Nimmo, you're not getting 11 more wins. You're getting a few. And you wouldn't want Judge in CF long term really, though again you make that work of course. (could say the same about Nimmo in CF), and the margin of error is less. 2018 they were very comparable, and 2020 (if you make anything of that garbage year) Nimmo was better. I still think you should try to retain Nimmo really, and you've also got Marte and Canha. So you have to work in a DH if they're all healthy. That's fine though. you make that work, that's all I meant. It's really pitching where the Mets have both a lot of volatility and a lot of age.

kcmets Oct 10 2022 12:33 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Lefty Specialist wrote: I may be in the minority, but if deGrom opts out of his contract I let him walk. He'll want ridiculous money for declining results. I agree, minority of two and counting. Probably will get it's own thread once the Wild Card hangover is in the dust...

batmagadanleadoff Oct 10 2022 12:34 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

you're misreading me. I'm not saying the Mets need "better than reasonable hope" from their prospects. I'm saying Atlanta has a more complete talented player dev system, and a more consistent plan of promotion. Yes, they ended up doing even better than that, even faster. But they put them in positions to succeed, and the Mets promotions seemed like reactions to twitter pressure, desperate ,and could be argued put them in a position to fail. Again, no doubt that Atlanta has had a better talent development system in place. Certainly that was a shortcoming of prior management, and it's also certainly too early to know if it's been improved. Any fair measurement of that is going to take several years. I'm not saying Cohen is unwilling to expand the budget, i'm saying he's unwilling to expand it to compensate for the MANY players that are now free agents. He's said stuff about the budget not being unlimited ,which means it exists, which means decisions have to be made. But this is based on supposition, that because there is a limit somewhere, that means enough won't be spent. There's no evidence for this claim. They need to replace 3 starting pitchers, a closer, a centerfielder, a few other bullpen arms, and then add a hitter, and maybe some new bench pieces. The budget gap is not as big as it might seem. Many of the players to be replaced are already making close to market value on one-year deals. Take Diaz: he's at $10M this year. DeGrom would require some additional fresh money to resign but it's not coming from zero; he was already making $28M this year. It's fine to take a pessimistic viewpoint, I guess, but there's no basis to for the idea that Cohen won't or can't spend sufficiently to make the team competitive. And they've botched some of these decisions in the past, from draft to trade deadline to offseason. There is no indication that this team is up to the task. I hope so, but I don't think any of them have the track record to say "I trust Billy Eppler implicitly to put the best options in place" This is a bit all over the place, and it plays both ways. Eppler has a 101 win team on the field. That's a success anywhere. His off-season acquisitions were a resounding success. I'll agree he underperformed at the most recent deadline but longer-term results are unclear given that prospects stayed put. And if you want to claim the Rocker draft was botched, fine - but that can't count against Eppler. There's no basis to complain about the most recent draft and far too early to judge results. And don't forget -- Cano's contract comes off the books after next season. That's a huge chunk of money.

batmagadanleadoff Oct 10 2022 12:39 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

They also didn't truly address their holes at the deadline, making marginal bet around the edges, which mostly felt like shoring up a deep playoff roster...except the Mets didn't have a deep playoff roster, so their "this is a really good platoon guy, and gives us flexibility!" additions get overused, and they struggled. Nobody ever said the Mets were flawless. What team ever was? For all their flaws (and their strengths outnumbered their weaknesses by a lot) the Mets still won 101 games. And they lost Marte for the last month of the season -- not to mention that he may have been playing compromised against the Padres in the playoffs. He was consistently tremendous before he broke his finger and a deserving all-star. I'd like to believe that having Marte for the last four weeks would've made the difference between the Mets winning their division easily and finishing in second place.

Ceetar Oct 10 2022 12:54 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Marte was absolutely compromised and the Mets chose to play him anyway. It was a desperate gamble, so much so that they put him 6th in case he exploded in the field in the top of the inning and they had to replace him. They were really sloppy with injuries, when they told us who was injured, all season. The same with the garbage way they handled Álvarez. They seemed to call up Vientos based on twitter pressure. It's a concerning process, and it makes me question their decision making. It definitely appeared losing Marte was the difference between the Mets being really good and not, but that's a fine line to walk. Players get injured. It seemed like when the Mets clicked, everything was fine, but when anything went wrong they could struggle. They didn't have enough power to overcomes games when the hits weren't stringing together, because like Marte was out, so when Alonso was on a cold streak and no one else was bopping, they were losing games. And it's not like Marte's injury was out of nowhere. getting hit by pitches is part of his game!

Benjamin Grimm Oct 10 2022 12:59 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

I'm thinking the same. DeGrom's best days are behind him, and his biggest contract is ahead of him. That was also true of Max Scherzer and of Pedro Martinez and many other free agent signings. You kind of have to accept that that's the way it is, but for deGrom the balance between money and remaining productivity is probably very unfavorable.

whippoorwill Oct 10 2022 01:02 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Marte's finger had to be killing him in that cold

batmagadanleadoff Oct 16 2022 09:35 PM Re: IGT 10/9 Pads @ Mets WC Gm 3: Go Time

Playoff baseball is a crapshoot. You might as well throw darts at your wall blindfolded to try and figure out who's gonna win any single series. The Dodgers are the undisputed best team in baseball over the last 10 years and its not close. They sign top tier MVP caliber free agents. They trade for top tier MVP caliber players. They've been developing the best players in baseball over the last 10 years. And they have no holes in their starting lineup. No James McCanns. They're a powerhouse. And they have one World Series crown to show for all of that. Just one. And in a 60 game Covid shortened season, no less. Just one World Series title. And there's nothing wrong with that. It's supposed to go like that. Because playoff baseball blah blah blah short series' between good teams blah blah yada and all that luck that pollutes baseball yada yada blah. It's a game of a lotta luck where the differences between two teams 10 games apart in the standings is way tinier than most people think. If less teams made the playoffs, I'm certain that the Dodgers would have several more titles. The only thing that I think the Dodgers should be favored to do this Fall is to not win the 2022 World Series. And it's not because they're not baseball's best team. They are. Easily. The Mets were tremendous this year. They won 101 games -- and with deGrom and Scherzer combined, missing close to an entire season -- and getting the kid glove hothouse flower treatment for a good chunk of their active stretches. That's how you measure a team -- by the 162 game regular season. Playoffs are just a spectacle. The regular season is William Shakespeare and the playoffs are Archie comics. It's a gimmick. Here's another dumb article about playoff baseball. Expect more to come. The Dodgers are proof that, in the postseason, nothing is guaranteed Image without a caption Analysis by Chelsea Janes Excerpt: The Los Angeles Dodgers were the best team in the majors all season. No one scored more runs or had a higher team on-base-plus-slugging percentage. No one allowed fewer earned runs. They were dominant. And they are done. [***] The Dodgers are the most dominant regular season team of the past decade. They have won 73 more regular season games in the past 10 years than anyone else. They have beaten their regular season opponents by more than 1,700 runs in that span, more than 700 more than the second-best Houston Astros, according to MLB.com. They have won just one World Series in that time, and it came in the 2020 covid-shortened season. https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2022/10/16/dodgers-early-postseason-exit/ It's a dumb article. It goes on and on about the usual lack of timely hitting and starters that weren't as effective in the playoffs as during the season. It speculates about whether the bye layoff was detrimental rather than an advantage. But it misses the point because it ignores the crapshoots and coinflips and lucky nature of playoff baseball. And that two or four games isn't enough of a sample to prove anything. It tries to come up with solutions to yield better playoff outcomes, i.e. winning playoff games, when it's a crapshoot and a coin flip and a coin flip, by its very nature, is all luck and luck is something beyond anyone's control. It can't be fixed because it's beyond anyone's control. Just like you can't control whether you're gonna be born into a fabulous wealthy family with resources and good values and connections in a major American city or whether you're going to be born in a third world town where you have to walk around barefoot all of the time because hardly anyone there has shoes and the only reading material you'll ever have access to is the Bible. It's luck because you have no control over that. And the Dodgers winning just one WS despite being the unquestionable best team in baseball over the last 11 years is like the most normal thing that could be. If this was the 50s, where only the pennant winners advanced beyond the regular season, the Dodgers would surely have won more titles over that time. But that's a bygone era.