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roger_that Oct 08 2022 05:14 AM

Pete Alonso says he is [TWEET]https://twitter.com/i/status/1578593471690145793[/TWEET] I don't know about you, but this shit offends me. I am having the least fun as a Met fan today that I can remember having ever, including the early-1960s, late 70s, mid-90s, etc. This is absolutely demoralizing, misery-inducing, infuriatingly frustrating, terrible baseball--and this asshole is having fun? At least when the team sucked, when it lost 90+ games in a season, we knew how far how we had to go to rebuild. Now we're paying guys 42 M a year to pitch like Ray Daviault. Well, maybe de Grom will toss a gem tonight, and tomorrow will be a romp, and we'll cruise into LA and sweep them, and I'll forgive Alonso for spouting this babble.

batmagadanleadoff Oct 08 2022 05:33 AM Re: Are you having fun?

Give me a break. Pete Alonso makes a living playing a child's game with the best baseball players in the world. And he's real good at it. He's only 27 years old and soon enough he's gonna sign a contract worth more than a hundred million dollars. He can afford to live in the heart of the greatest city in the world, no doubt in extreme luxury, and among other things, he has access to food at two in the morning that's better than what most people could get and afford at eight PM. And he's eating all of that great food, too. Why shouldn't he be having fun? At least he's fucking honest. It's a fucking crapshoot. Or do you think the Mets should beat the Padres just by willing it because they won 101 games? They played an excellent team with an ace elite pitcher. If I was in Alonso's shoes, I'd be having the time of my life every single minute even if my Mets were in last place. Why would his fun make you miserable? Hey, maybe you can demand that Edgy red light this post being that I dont agree with you on anything you just wrote. You did it before.

Edgy MD Oct 08 2022 06:02 AM Re: Are you having fun?

The red light forum is, in fact, where ill will for other posters belongs. So if you must use this place to express it, please take it there.

Lefty Specialist Oct 08 2022 06:07 AM Re: Are you having fun?

Of course he's having fun. He wears a custom bathrobe and gets his pancakes delivered by Mr. Met. Didn't look like he was having fun against Darvish, though.

Ceetar Oct 08 2022 06:34 AM Re: Are you having fun?

Look, just because his teammate calls him Jake, doesn't mean the reporter asking the question. That annoys me more than Pete being excited to play a playoff game with Jacob deGrom pitching.

roger_that Oct 08 2022 07:29 AM Re: Are you having fun?

There's a way to express the idea of looking forward to competition in a backs-against-the-wall situation, such as they're in now, without using terms like "fun" to describe it. Saying "This is fun baseball" is a kind of doublespeak. It isn't fun, Alonso isn't enjoying getting the shit kicked out him any more than I am watching him getting the shit kicked out of him, and this isn't a respectful way to describe the situation facing him, even with a former Cy Young winner and the current batting champion standing closest to him on the field. Challenging work, all we can do is to play our best, I believe we can still come through, etc. are all cliches he can use and not piss me off, but "fun baseball"? Fuck that noise. No one's having fun here, now, today. This is fun like Putin wants peace. Please, Pete, don't blow sunshine up my ass, ok? You're neck-deep in shit, don't make worse by denying where you are.

whippoorwill Oct 08 2022 07:58 AM Re: Are you having fun?

I lived and died by the Mets for 30 years...and then my dad died. It was 2007, on Labor Day, and you can look it up, the Mets crashed and died too. Some of you still talk about it. The last thing I whispered in my dad's ear when they were ready to close the casket was "Pedro's pitching tonight"...but that was about the last good thing that happened that year. I don't know maybe Pedro sucked that night and that started it all. All that being said, in 1986 I walked on air for a week, in 2000 I was in a trance for a week when they lost. I get roger's angst. They really can get under your skin.

Ceetar Oct 08 2022 08:17 AM Re: Are you having fun?

that type of attitude is why baseball players get reluctant to say anything but cliché. Alonso particularly, is not really a "woe is me" guy. You're mincing his words and all he's thinking is deGrom's pitching, we'll get 'em tomorrow.

vtmet7 Oct 08 2022 08:28 AM Re: Are you having fun?

Lefty Specialist wrote: Didn't look like he was having fun against Darvish, though. He came so close to having fun vs Darvish in the first inning... I think that is the next thing that Manfred needs to fix to add more offense to the game...move the foul poles about 5 more feet out to their left and right...too many "almost" homeruns...

MFS62 Oct 08 2022 08:54 AM Re: Are you having fun?

I think that is the next thing that Manfred needs to fix to add more offense to the game...move the foul poles about 5 more feet out to their left and right...too many "almost" homeruns... LOL! I still remember Murph telling us how Cliff Cook almost (in an anguished tone) hit a home run against the Pirates at Forbes Field. Later

roger_that Oct 08 2022 09:09 AM Re: Are you having fun?

You're mincing his words No, I'm quoting his words. It's an asshole thing to say. I know he's not enjoying this, you know he's not enjoying it, Pete knows he's not enjoying it. No part of this is fun for anybody. Maybe in the long run, decades from now, we will all look back at 2022 (if it ends as horribly as I suspect it will, sometime tonight), I can look you in the eye and say that, all in all, 2022 WAS kinda fun, despite how it ended, but right now, today, this completely blows. It's the most sickening, most disappointing, most disheartening, most miserable scenario any Met fan could imagine, given the 101 wins and the playoffs appearance. I could give Pete a pass if we'd played well last night, lost a cliffhanger, got clipped around inning 14, got a few come-from-behind runs to tie it up at some point, etc. But after playing so disgracefully last night, to say "This is fun baseball"? It's the statement of a clueless dolt who has no respect for the demoralized fan base.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 08 2022 09:50 AM Re: Are you having fun?

Oh, please. It's fun. We have a playoff game to watch tonight. And this is the "most sickening and disheartening" scenario imaginable? This is much better than the last few weeks of 2007. Were you not around for that?

ashie62 Oct 08 2022 10:00 AM Re: Are you having fun?

A few people woke up on the wrong side of the bed today I do not like the obscene language that floats around here

Ceetar Oct 08 2022 10:31 AM Re: Are you having fun?

=roger_that post_id=110415 time=1665241746 user_id=128] =Ceetar post_id=110411 time=1665238670 user_id=102] You're mincing his words

No, I'm quoting his words.



It's an asshole thing to say. I know he's not enjoying this, you know he's not enjoying it, Pete knows he's not enjoying it. No part of this is fun for anybody.




you're wrong. he IS enjoying it. He IS looking to a playoff game with Jacob deGrom as fun, as am I. I'm pissed at Buck and Scherzer and Cohen and Sandy/Eppler for putting us in this position? But Jacob deGrom, postseason game, at home? Yeah, that's fun.



Like, it's Spring Training, think of one thing you want to watch about the Mets. It's Jacob deGrom on the mound at Citi Field in the playoffs. Now imagine you've worked your butt off your entire life to participate in that moment. fun.

Willets Point Oct 08 2022 11:16 AM Re: Are you having fun?

The "fans" who have this kind of attitude are something I can never comprehend. Baseball is fun. It's supposed to be fun, as are all spectator sports. If it causes one to feel misery and anger, then for one's own mental health, it's time to pursue another hobby.

roger_that Oct 08 2022 11:31 AM Re: Are you having fun?

If you're enjoying this, you've got a screw loose in your head. I'm annoyed at myself for giving a damn about the Mets in the first place, and for thinking well of them. If I could get myself to root against them, then maybe I'd be having fun now. Maybe that's the ticket. Root for the Padres, and then I can enjoy tonight's creaming of deGrom and four weak Ks from Alonso.... Will that work? We'll see. The consensus seems to be that Scherzer's pitching through a badly damaged oblique, btw. If they somehow get past the Padres, and he fesses up to the oblique bothering him, do you keep pitching him until you get eliminated or do you give his starts to someone else? A moot point, I know, at this late date. I'm just wondering how many blowouts, multi-HR games do you give a future HoFer who can't get anyone out but insists he's fine to keep pitching. Can you imagine if this began a few weeks earlier and the Mets hadn't gotten a playoff spot at all? Do you think they would have kept putting him out there every five days to get lit up like this? At what point would Alonso rethink calling it "fun"? And yeah, I was here in 2007. No meltdown is ever fun.

Edgy MD Oct 08 2022 12:19 PM Re: Are you having fun?

Roger, I assure you I don't have a screw loose. If you're annoyed at yourself, then maybe there's something else you might enjoy tonight.

metsmarathon Oct 08 2022 01:23 PM Re: Are you having fun?

The fuck. The one thing you tell any player going into a pressure situation is, go out there and have fun. Do you really, truly want him to say, ”holy shit were all worried. Literally shitting literal bricks. I'm going to go to the plat tomorrow with such a tight grip on my bat that I'll squeeze it into diamonds. We're fucked we know it and we're gonna play like it. Lfgm” Is that the sound bite you'd prefer?

vtmet7 Oct 08 2022 01:30 PM Re: Are you having fun?

I can understand anger at how the Mets tend to fail at playoff situations since 1988 (I will never forget we blew that series vs the Dodgers...or that Benny blew up on a talk show vs the Yankees...or Willie Randolph blew it vs the Phillies)...however, looking at our roster vs some of the other playoff team rosters, I can't help but feel that we were lucky to ride the perception that we were World Champion material as long as we did...I can't blame Pete for being "happy" with being in the playoffs...

batmagadanleadoff Oct 08 2022 02:21 PM Re: Are you having fun?

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Oh, please. It's fun. We have a playoff game to watch tonight. And this is the "most sickening and disheartening" scenario imaginable? This is much better than the last few weeks of 2007. Were you not around for that? This. A million times. You'd think he was bitten by a deadly snake or run over by a train. Edgy MD wrote: The red light forum is, in fact, where ill will for other posters belongs. So if you must use this place to express it, please take it there. Oh please. Take what there? That I disagreed with him? My post was as red-lightable as Grimm's. Which is to say, not at all. What ill will? You're seeing things that you wanna see but aren't there. I'm shocked shocked shocked that you couldn't resist but to have to say something that cuts against me. I can't imagine what you'd do if I was the one who wrote that you have a screw loose. Oh my god! Alonso's gonna make $100mill probably before he turns 30 -- when he could really enjoy all of that money -- like before he gets old and his body starts to break down all over. Sign me up for that and I'll you show you what fun is.

batmagadanleadoff Oct 08 2022 02:39 PM Re: Are you having fun?

=roger_that post_id=110415 time=1665241746 user_id=128] Maybe in the long run, decades from now, we will all look back at 2022 (if it ends as horribly as I suspect it will, sometime tonight)

If you think the Mets can't beat the Padres with deGrom, then surely you must think that they can't beat the Padres with Bassitt, either. So why do you find the Mets predicament so shocking? Your post makes no sense. The Mets lost 61 games during the season, including most of the games they played against the Padres. But now the Mets are supposed to go undefeated the rest of the way? Who's the one with the loose screw?

roger_that Oct 08 2022 02:59 PM Re: Are you having fun?

If you would kindly read this tweet and particularly these comments, you might see how common my emotions are among the NYM fanbase. No need to get personal with me, honestly. I'd bet many more Met fans are feeling like I am today, disgusted and pissed-off, than are feeling all upbeat and smiley and satisfied. [TWEET]https://twitter.com/MetsFix/status/1578560801517862912[/TWEET]

Edgy MD Oct 08 2022 03:08 PM Re: Are you having fun?

I wouldn't look for affirmation in agreement (from Twitter, especially). Seventy-four million people voted for President Trump's re-election. They were all wrong.

Frayed Knot Oct 08 2022 04:31 PM Re: Are you having fun?

Here's my time to chime in on how this is one of the drawbacks of expanded playoffs. Instead of a 'winner's only' tourney [MLB from '69 thru '93 for example] where each team is considered to be on the same par generally even if not exactly, when you start to add second and third tier clubs (and, in some sports, fourth and fifth) fans of the upper clubs come to expect the early round(s) to be easy or even a given and are therefore not just upset at an ouster but resentful and even betrayed [They didn't want it enough,] But sports, and particularly baseball, don't always work that way. So if you want the extra teams/games/dollars that expanded playoffs bring, do understand the downsides as well.

batmagadanleadoff Oct 08 2022 04:42 PM Re: Are you having fun?

Frayed Knot wrote: Here's my time to chime in on how this is one of the drawbacks of expanded playoffs. Instead of a 'winner's only' tourney [MLB from '69 thru '93 for example] where each team is considered to be on the same par generally even if not exactly, when you start to add second and third tier clubs (and, in some sports, fourth and fifth) fans of the upper clubs come to expect the early round(s) to be easy or even a given and are therefore not just upset at an ouster but resentful and even betrayed [They didn't want it enough,] But sports, and particularly baseball, don't always work that way. So if you want the extra teams/games/dollars that expanded playoffs bring, do understand the downsides as well. Yes. But even without expanded playoffs, having two baseball teams play a couple of games against each other is no way to determine which of the two teams is the better one. But yeah, baseball's the worst sport to expand playoffs. That head-scratching over-the-top post at the top of this thread is just mind-boggling. All that angst because the Mets lost one game. To a very good team, no less. You'd think the guy wants to jump off a ledge. Anyway, the Mets aren't eliminated and tonight, they'll have baseball's undisputed best pitcher over the last five years (when healthy) starting. If the Mets win, and they're heavily favored to win, the series is tied and the Mets can advance to the next round with just another win.

Gwreck Oct 08 2022 05:20 PM Re: Are you having fun?

Frayed Knot wrote: So if you want the extra teams/games/dollars that expanded playoffs bring, do understand the downsides as well. I certainly didn't want these expanded playoffs and plenty others didn't want them either. And were on record about that long ago.

Lefty Specialist Oct 08 2022 05:40 PM Re: Are you having fun?

I'd be having more fun right now if they'd won 7-1 last night, rather than lost by that score.

The Big O Oct 08 2022 05:42 PM Re: Are you having fun?

That dude falling down = fun.

Frayed Knot Oct 08 2022 05:59 PM Re: Are you having fun?

Frayed Knot wrote: So if you want the extra teams/games/dollars that expanded playoffs bring, do understand the downsides as well. I certainly didn't want these expanded playoffs and plenty others didn't want them either. And were on record about that long ago. I'm with you on this topic and for at least as long.

kcmets Oct 08 2022 07:07 PM Re: Are you having fun?

Lefty Specialist wrote: Of course he's having fun. He wears a custom bathrobe and gets his pancakes delivered by Mr. Met. That's pretty funny, I bet breakfasting with Mr. Met is a blast of fun. "We're not going anywhere after this."

Gwreck Oct 08 2022 10:36 PM Re: Are you having fun?

I could use a Pancake Triple Play right about now.

roger_that Oct 09 2022 04:09 AM Re: Are you having fun?

Frayed Knot wrote: So if you want the extra teams/games/dollars that expanded playoffs bring, do understand the downsides as well. I certainly didn't want these expanded playoffs and plenty of others didn't want them either. And were on record about that long ago. I thought and think they were a great idea. I love the idea of disadvantaging teams that fail to win to win their divisions outright. I believe that if you don't win your division, you should play a series (I'd favor a single game) that puts your entire season on the line, and THEN if you win that series, you have to play a well-rested division winner on the road. Make the 162-game season mean a lot, virtually give the division winners a foot-on-the-throat advantage in the post-season, because if you can't win your division, you don't really deserve to play in the post-season at all. That's what I believe. These wild card series ought to be a killer, using up your best pitchers, exhausting your tired regulars who need a BYE, putting you at a terrible advantage if you win it and have to face a strong, rested opponent, and sending you home in disgrace if you lose it. My idea of fun baseball is what LA has now, sitting back, resting up, making their intense plans for dealing with the Pets or Madres who they're watching on TV, and coming out next week feeling confident that they're playing against a beatup opponent who've used their bullpen to death and whose starting pitchers have just used up everything they've got. That's fun.

Frayed Knot Oct 09 2022 06:21 AM Re: Are you having fun?

Hey, if you want to make the case for larger and larger playoff pools then have at it. My point is that I believe expanding the pool leads fans of upper tier playoff teams to Expect that early round games are supposed to be sure wins which in turn tends to lead to the type of anger with which you started this thread when a playoff ouster, or even a one game stumble, occurs. Can't tell you how often I've heard hoops and/or hockey fans in particular say, with a significant amount of dread in their voice, that their team's second round playoff matchup "isn't going to be easy". Yeah, it's not supposed to be.

roger_that Oct 09 2022 07:28 AM Re: Are you having fun?

Frayed Knot wrote: Hey, if you want to make the case for larger and larger playoff pools then have at it. The idea, as I see it, is to keep a larger number of teams in the chase for the post-season as long as you can, eliminating the boring outcome of many teams being totally out of the competition by late August BUT to have those lesser teams know that if they do get into the post-season they will face an almost insurmountable slog, facing in the second round well-rested division winners and in the winners' home park. It's a consolation prize, and hardly worth having but worth having because it's (barely) better than the alternative which is no playoffs at all. If the Mets advance at this point, it will be because they've overcome steep odds, beating superior competition with loads of advantages against them. If they do that, by my lights, then they'll deserve to advance, but the odds are against them, as they should be. I would much rather be the Braves at this point, and that's as it should be. The Braves won the division, played tough when they needed to, and hats off to them.

Edgy MD Oct 09 2022 07:29 AM Re: Are you having fun?

My idea of fun involves lots of ziplines.

Ceetar Oct 09 2022 07:42 AM Re: Are you having fun?

I think all Mets relievers should zip line in from the Shea Bridge to the mound.

roger_that Oct 09 2022 07:48 AM Re: Are you having fun?

I actually came up with a system far more radical than the current playoff system, in which you fix the number of teams eligible for the playoffs in August, essentially every team above .500 or reasonably close to it, and have the bottom-most of those two teams try to eliminate its opponent in a 3-game series, the winner going on to face the next-higher ranked opponent in another 3-game elimination tournament (while the rest of the league finishes out the regular season), and so on, meaning that by the time you reach the teams that would be in the playoffs under the current setup, the wild card survivor would have won a goodly number of three-games series against pretty good teams.

smg58 Oct 09 2022 08:17 AM Re: Are you having fun?

Willets Point wrote: The "fans" who have this kind of attitude are something I can never comprehend. Baseball is fun. It's supposed to be fun, as are all spectator sports. If it causes one to feel misery and anger, then for one's own mental health, it's time to pursue another hobby. This, this, this, and this again.

kcmets Oct 09 2022 08:50 AM Re: Are you having fun?

I think all Mets relievers should zip line in from the Shea Bridge to the mound. NOW we're talking! Puts a whole new slant on, "get me the bullpen on the wire."

roger_that Oct 09 2022 09:06 AM Re: Are you having fun?

I think all Mets relievers should zip line in from the Shea Bridge to the mound. NOW we're talking! Puts a whole new slant on, "get me the bullpen on the wire." How about parachuting into the game like that dude did in the '86 Series?

roger_that Oct 09 2022 11:58 AM Re: Are you having fun?

The fuck. The one thing you tell any player going into a pressure situation is, go out there and have fun. Do you really, truly want him to say, ”holy shit were all worried. Literally shitting literal bricks. I'm going to go to the plat tomorrow with such a tight grip on my bat that I'll squeeze it into diamonds. We're fucked we know it and we're gonna play like it. Lfgm” Is that the sound bite you'd prefer? My personal preference? Something like you'd imagine Michael Jordan saying with his team facing elimination following a brutal loss. Or Bob Gibson. Or Lawrence Taylor. The word "fun" is nowhere near their ultra-competitive, angry mouths. In fact, no word or person is near their mouths in that situation because it would get bitten off and chewed up and spat out. There is a HUGE difference btw between a manager saying to his team in private "Go out and there and have fun" and a player telling a reporter "This is fun baseball." It's so huge I can't conclude we understand the same language if you really think they're the same. P.S. After I posted the above, Howie Rose tweeted that tonight is John Lennon's birthday and Jerry Grote's--two of my alltime favorites. I was trying to think of the Met whose competitiveness was on a near-toxic level of Jordan or Gibson or Taylor, and I forgot about Grote, the most pissed-off, angriest, most competitive Met ever.

batmagadanleadoff Oct 09 2022 12:07 PM Re: Are you having fun?

I'm certain that Pete Alonso is playing as hard, as intense and as cutthroat as you would like him to play, no matter what the hell he said about having fun. Which doesn't matter anyways because pretty much everything they say is carefully calculated for effect rather than honesty. But go ahead and knock yourself out parsing to the infinite degree, the six or eleven words Alonso uttered -- uttered probably without a speck of a half a molecule of the thought that you're putting into his insignificant and throwaway comment that isn't worth half a second of analysis.

Edgy MD Oct 09 2022 12:14 PM Re: Are you having fun?

My personal preference is for Pete Alonso to go out and hit his first post-season homerun for the game-winning RBI. And that preference has been granted. That's one post-season homer more than Jordan, Taylor, and Grote put together, but still one behind Gibson. I hope Alonso has twice as much fun today.

Ceetar Oct 09 2022 12:29 PM Re: Are you having fun?

I have to say though, Alonso could've done a bat flip or something. was a little lacking.

Frayed Knot Oct 09 2022 12:46 PM Re: Are you having fun?

Not a whole lot of ballplayers more competitive than Pete Rose and there's a story about him in game six 1975, aka: what would become known as the Carlton Fisk game. That game was already a wild back and forth arrair long before Fisk entered into the body English olympics. So a Boston player, forget which one, gets on 1st at some point in the late innings and is greeted by Rose asking him, "Is this a great game or what?". iow, depending on how one wants to micro-define 'fun', I don't think it and competitiveness are mutually exclusive concepts.

roger_that Oct 09 2022 12:57 PM Re: Are you having fun?

I'm objecting very specifically to the wording "This is fun baseball." I don't think I'd have nearly as much problem with Pete Alonso saying "This was a great game," although it wasn't, not in the sense that Rose meant. BTW, I doubt very much, without checking, that Rose was playing 1b on the 1975 Series. I remember that anecdote as Rose reaching first, though that could be wrong as well.

kcmets Oct 09 2022 01:00 PM Re: Are you having fun?

Frayed Knot wrote: forget which one, gets on 1st at some point in the late innings and is greeted by Rose asking him, "Is this a great game or what?". Well, I don't know if Charlie Hustle is the best example. He may of just had big money on the game and was pumped that he was 'winning.'

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 04:29 PM Re: Are you having fun?

This will all be a distant memory after a Mets win tonight

Edgy MD Oct 09 2022 05:10 PM Re: Are you having fun?

Fun, nasty fun.

batmagadanleadoff Oct 09 2022 05:18 PM Re: Are you having fun?

This will all be a distant memory after a Mets win tonight The over the top dramarama and angst here is just mind-boggling. Who gives a flying fuck how Alonso "feels" and what "he said? It doesn't even matter. So long as Alonso's giving it his all, I couldn't care less if he's wearing diapers beneath his uni.

bmfc1 Oct 09 2022 05:31 PM Re: Are you having fun?

Pete's locker room quotes are amusing because they are akin to the vapid ones that Crash Davis taught to Nuke in "Bull Durham". He's trying to politely respond without saying anything that could make headlines.

roger_that Oct 09 2022 06:15 PM Re: Are you having fun?

=bmfc1 post_id=110780 time=1665358318 user_id=73] He's trying to politely respond without saying anything that could make headlines.

Certainly getting a big response on my Twitter feed.

ashie62 Oct 09 2022 06:18 PM Re: Are you having fun?

Why put a mike in his face there?

roger_that Oct 10 2022 09:03 AM Re: Are you having fun?

=ashie62 post_id=110832 time=1665361119 user_id=90] Why put a mike in his face there?

Are you really blaming his tone-deaf answer (so vigorously defended by some here) on the reporter for doing his job which is (honest, you can look it up) to ask people questions?

Ceetar Oct 10 2022 09:04 AM Re: Are you having fun?

oh, the reporters are trash too, but that's not the point.

roger_that Oct 10 2022 09:39 AM Re: Are you having fun?

Yes, the point is that the Mets are celebrating such a fun performance at the crucial part of their season, and how we're all having such a jolly time today, celebrating their magnificent job of rising to the occasion when the season was on the line. I understand.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 10 2022 09:55 AM Re: Are you having fun?

It's just a game. They had a great season, but fell short. It happens. Every year it happens to multiple teams. This year it happened to the Mets. We can either choose to wallow in angst or to get on with our lives. I know that there are those who prefer the first option, but I'll never understand why.

kcmets Oct 10 2022 10:12 AM Re: Are you having fun?

Benjamin Grimm wrote: We can either choose to wallow in angst or to get on with our lives. I know that there are those who prefer the first option, but I'll never understand why. I understand it. At different times in my life I've been emotionally married to the Mets (and to a lesser extent, the Knicks and Jets) but I'm just not there today. I have fifteen worries right now, some macro worries and some micro. The Mets blowing a double digit division lead and crapping the bed down the stretch is just history now. Put it in the books. They're over there in that dumpster fire. #lgm #ygb #ymdyf

Edgy MD Oct 10 2022 10:30 AM Re: Are you having fun?

I'm ready to start my winter with a few extra hours in my day. It would have been really cool if they won. Somebody else winning? That's alright also.

A Boy Named Seo Oct 10 2022 10:42 AM Re: Are you having fun?

Last night I said farewell to having another season of Mets baseball as a daily companion to a personal year that's alternated between wonderful, challenging and painful. Having a New York Mets baseball game on every day is a comfortable and nostalgic soundtrack to my life. And sometimes they're good. This year they were really damn good. These brief playoffs were nerve-wracking, ultimately disappointing, but absolutely fun. I would take these playoffs over no playoffs 100 times out of 100 because baseball is fucking FUN. And like kc said, most people have so many other stressors or worries in their lives that a baseball team losing has to compete really hard for those emotions. My $.02 - if they're causing you this much angst, then cheers, your life's pretty rad otherwise, enjoy it.

roger_that Oct 10 2022 11:39 AM Re: Are you having fun?

A Boy Named Seo wrote: These brief playoffs were nerve-wracking, ultimately disappointing, but absolutely fun. I would take these playoffs over no playoffs 100 times out of 100 because baseball is fucking FUN. Nah, they weren't even good games. Well, Game 2 was a good game, NOT because the Mets won it but because it got nice and tense there in the 9th as the Padres loaded the bases down by four and with Diaz out of the game. THAT was good baseball and even though it was not a good spot for the Mets, I can see where you could describe it as fun. They didn't JUST lose. They got lit up, humiliated, totally outhit, outpitched, outfielded by a team that is, frankly, mediocre itself and missing a major player in its lineup besides. The Mets clearly showed their bona fide credentials as just another so-so team that let its opponents walk all over them in their home stadium. If these had been exciting, interesting nuanced games to watch but they happened to come out on the wrong end, I'd grant you room to spout this silly stuff about "fun" baseball.

whippoorwill Oct 10 2022 11:43 AM Re: Are you having fun?

I'm over it. I got to work outside today and enjoy the pretty day. That will heal a lot of bad feelings!

batmagadanleadoff Oct 10 2022 11:48 AM Re: Are you having fun?

They didn't JUST lose. They got lit up, humiliated, totally outhit, outpitched, outfielded by a team that is, frankly, mediocre itself and missing a major player in its lineup besides. The Mets clearly showed their bona fide credentials as just another so-so team that let its opponents walk all over them in their home stadium. If these had been exciting, interesting nuanced games to watch but they happened to come out on the wrong end, I'd grant you room to spout this silly stuff about "fun" baseball. So what? You've been watching baseball as long as you have and you can't comprehend that this happens all the time. Every single day. Because it's as normal as the sun rising. You really have a weak, almost child-like understanding of the game. Yeah. The Mets "let" the Padres walk all over them. Because it all comes down to character and who supposedly wants it more. Tom Seaver had a crappy WS W-L record. Wanna know why? It's because he lacked character and didn't wanna win those games as much as his opponents did. /rolls eyes It couldn't possibly be luck or randomness or that three WS games carries less weight and meaning than 600+ regular season games.

batmagadanleadoff Oct 10 2022 11:56 AM Re: Are you having fun?

=whippoorwill post_id=111030 time=1665423816 user_id=79] I'm over it.

Me too. I already would've forgotten about it if not for this forum and one particular hardcore Mets fan friend of mine who keeps on texting me, presumably to talk about the Padres series. I haven't responded yet because I'm not in the mood. He'll probably tell me about character.

Ceetar Oct 10 2022 12:03 PM Re: Are you having fun?

I need another day still. I was getting excited about at least a week or so of playoff energy, and all the wind came out of the sails over the last two week so fast that I'm still reeling a little. As much as I'm glad they went to a three game series over a wild card game, the suddenly dire aspect of the series when you lose game 1 is intense. You dial it up from 0-100, especially given that most teams have clinched now well before the last day, and then suddenly you're back is against the wall and they're coming for you. jarring.

Edgy MD Oct 10 2022 12:15 PM Re: Are you having fun?

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kcmets Oct 10 2022 12:20 PM Re: Are you having fun?

We need an exploding BIGPURPLE button in 2023.

MFS62 Oct 10 2022 01:20 PM Re: Are you having fun?

I need another day still. I was getting excited about at least a week or so of playoff energy, and all the wind came out of the sails over the last two week so fast that I'm still reeling a little. Me, too. I think it was Mike Tyson who said, "Plans are good - until you get punched". And I think this gut punch knocked the air out of me. Not fun. Later

A Boy Named Seo Oct 10 2022 01:20 PM Re: Are you having fun?

A Boy Named Seo wrote: These brief playoffs were nerve-wracking, ultimately disappointing, but absolutely fun. I would take these playoffs over no playoffs 100 times out of 100 because baseball is fucking FUN. Nah, they weren't even good games. Well, Game 2 was a good game, NOT because the Mets won it but because it got nice and tense there in the 9th as the Padres loaded the bases down by four and with Diaz out of the game. THAT was good baseball and even though it was not a good spot for the Mets, I can see where you could describe it as fun. They didn't JUST lose. They got lit up, humiliated, totally outhit, outpitched, outfielded by a team that is, frankly, mediocre itself and missing a major player in its lineup besides. The Mets clearly showed their bona fide credentials as just another so-so team that let its opponents walk all over them in their home stadium. If these had been exciting, interesting nuanced games to watch but they happened to come out on the wrong end, I'd grant you room to spout this silly stuff about "fun" baseball. I had a GREAT time with my honey, dressing up in our jerseys to go to a party with friends and fam, but sneaking the game on our phone the whole time anyway because FUN. If you watch a drama play out live in front of you every single day, but you can only find joy if the outcome is a happy one, well that would be the silly thing, Rog.

roger_that Oct 10 2022 01:39 PM Re: Are you having fun?

I've never in my life heard so many people expressing their pride in getting one-hit at home in a do-or-die playoff game that the Mets never once threatened to take a lead in before. I can only imagine how proud and pleased you would be if the Mets had gotten no-hit and the Padres had set an all-time record for runs scored. ....................................R H E SD. 12 3 3 5 2 1 0 3 6....35 31 0 NY .. 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0......0 0 4 Hey, we really held them to a fun competitive game there in that classic 7th inning, didn't we? LGM!!!

Edgy MD Oct 10 2022 02:02 PM Re: Are you having fun?

That's a lot of sarcastic misrepresentation and utter nonsense directed at your fellow posters.

batmagadanleadoff Oct 10 2022 02:06 PM Re: Are you having fun?

Edgy MD wrote: That's a lot of sarcastic misrepresentation and utter nonsense directed at your fellow posters. I know. As if one can't be disappointed at the result and still have had fun throughout the experience, all at the same time. I dont mind him disagreeing. I dont even mind the name-calling anymore. But he makes stuff up every time from which to launch his points. Straw man stuff every single post. I'll take this 101 win season and first round exit every day over signing Wacha and Porcello while letting Wheeler walk.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 10 2022 02:13 PM Re: Are you having fun?

Edgy MD wrote: That's a lot of sarcastic misrepresentation and utter nonsense directed at your fellow posters. Well said. It was a ridiculous statement.

whippoorwill Oct 10 2022 02:32 PM Re: Are you having fun?

I'll still be having fun rooting for Cleveland!!

Edgy MD Oct 10 2022 02:33 PM Re: Are you having fun?

And I, Seattle.

MFS62 Oct 10 2022 02:45 PM Re: Are you having fun?

Edgy MD wrote: And I, Seattle. They are a good story and usually I would, too. But a fan of Seattle is one of the most virulent and vicious anti-Mets fans I've ever met. I wouldn't want to give that person a second reason to smile. Later

Edgy MD Oct 10 2022 02:54 PM Re: Are you having fun?

I understand. Of course, there is no shortage of vicious and virulent Met fans.

roger_that Oct 10 2022 03:31 PM Re: Are you having fun?

Edgy MD wrote: That's a lot of sarcastic misrepresentation and utter nonsense directed at your fellow posters. Deal. Some losses are more acceptable than others. This was one of the more disgraceful. If you want to pretend that it wasn't, and all is good in your never-failing appreciation of the Mets' consistent excellence, then I'm probably going to hand you some shit from time to time. And you're probably going to call that shit "sarcastic misrepresentation and utter nonsense." Doesn't begin to make your characterization true, though you will get a lot of "That's telling him, Edgy! You go, girl!" on this site.

roger_that Oct 10 2022 03:43 PM Re: Are you having fun?

I think I'm going to put myself on a posting moratorium for a few days, maybe a few weeks. I don't want to be repeating myself, or getting into arguments I can never make any progress on, until you folks learn how to process your grief, or even to acknowledge it, so I'll take my leave for a while now. Thanks for everything. You're a good bunch of guys and gals, with rare exceptions, and you don't seem to be getting much benefit from my unusual perspective.

Edgy MD Oct 10 2022 04:00 PM Re: Are you having fun?

Edgy MD wrote: That's a lot of sarcastic misrepresentation and utter nonsense directed at your fellow posters. Deal. I'm not sure what that refers to. Is there some sort of deal that has been proffered that you are agreeing to? Some losses are more acceptable than others. This was one of the more disgraceful. If you want to pretend that it wasn't, and all is good in your never-failing appreciation of the Mets' consistent excellence, ... This is a gross misrepresentation of your fellow posters. Please don't do that. ... then I'm probably going to hand you some shit from time to time. That would be a terrible and malicious thing to do, and horrible misuse of whatever time you have remaining on Earth. And you're probably going to call that shit "sarcastic misrepresentation and utter nonsense." If it is, it is. If it isn't, and I so describe it, please let me know. Doesn't begin to make your characterization true, ... The truth or falseness of what I've written can speak for itself. But if you want to demonstrate where I've written something untrue, please do. If you would like clarification or a demonstration from me in support of anything I've written, I'm happy to provide. ... though you will get a lot of "That's telling him, Edgy! You go, girl!" on this site. I haven't offered you rancor, and I've done my best to discourage any rancor directed at you and/or other posters. That having been written, please know that if you intend to gender-shame me or anybody else on this site, we ask that you take that to the Red Light Forum. I'll be happy to meet you there and we can discuss in whatever terms or tone you see fit. Or you can write me. Or you can visit me. I'm not hard to find.

batmagadanleadoff Oct 10 2022 04:14 PM Re: Are you having fun? Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Oct 10 2022 04:40 PM

Edgy MD wrote: Edgy MD wrote: That's a lot of sarcastic misrepresentation and utter nonsense directed at your fellow posters. Deal. I'm not sure what that refers to. Is there some sort of deal that has been proffered that you are agreeing to? "Deal", as in "Deal with it". That was his initial post: just that one word - "Deal". Then, like 15 minutes later, he amended his one word "Deal" post to include all the rest of the insulting and self-aggrandizing garbage that he routinely posts. Ever heard of Brian Ostrosser? I'll tell you all about him (just as soon as I google Ostrosser, myself, to learn all about him). Doesn't begin to make your characterization true though you will get a lot of "That's telling him, Edgy! You go, girl!" on this site. Edgy MD wrote: I haven't offered you rancor, and I've done my best to discourage any rancor directed at you and/or other posters. That having been written, please know that if you intend to gender-shame me or anybody else on this site, we ask that you take that to the Red Light Forum. I'll be happy to meet you there and we can discuss in whatever terms or tone you see fit. Or you can write me. Or you can visit me. I'm not hard to find. I never "offered him" any rancor either, but here we are now, me and him, in a feud that he totally started with numerous unhinged and foul posts directed at me before I finally responded. Funny, I don't remember you ever discouraging him from addressing me in the brutal way he now routinely does. And the nasty stuff he just wrote to you that inspired your criticisms just above is like a love poem compared to what he's written to me. What I do remember is you red-lighting one of my posts that had no business being red-lit -- some post where I didn't think his Doc Medich trade joke was as funny as he thought it was. Just a straight civil disagreement without any of the name-calling.

batmagadanleadoff Oct 10 2022 04:29 PM Re: Are you having fun?

=roger_that post_id=111066 time=1665438184 user_id=128] I think I'm going to put myself on a posting moratorium for a few days, maybe a few weeks. I don't want to be repeating myself, or getting into arguments I can never make any progress on, until you folks learn how to process your grief, or even to acknowledge it, so I'll take my leave for a while now. Thanks for everything. You're a good bunch of guys and gals, with rare exceptions, and you don't seem to be getting much benefit from my unusual perspective.

Oh please don't go. If you go, how will we ever learn to process our grief properly? Please stay and teach us how to process our grief. Please benefit us. This is all our fault

TransMonk Oct 10 2022 04:42 PM Re: Are you having fun?

I don't understand why some humans find it so hard to hold two truths in their head at the same time. It is perfectly acceptable (I would argue logical) to be both proud and disappointed in the 2022 Mets. At the end of any sports season, I take stock of performance vs. my expectations. Back in March, I was bearish on this team not knowing what to expect from the newcomers, McNeil coming off a pretty miserable 2021, deGrom not guaranteed to come back at all. I would have signed up for 100 wins in a heartbeat...still knowing that nothing is guaranteed in October. I wish they would have looked better over the past ten days...most of all because their play over than span was not indicative of the six months of play that came before it. Yes, winning championships is the "goal", but this was the best Mets regular season in 25+ years. I'm glad I got to experience the summer team even if the fall ended early.

batmagadanleadoff Oct 10 2022 04:56 PM Re: Are you having fun?

This all started over some jock (Pete Alonso) making some throwaway comment in passing about just being in the playoffs is fun enough. Which it should be. Especially for Alonso, who was making his playoff debut. And then this pushy blowhard ties himself into pretzel knots and suicidal despair over Alsonso's words --- dragging us into his over the top diva dramatics and once again insulting the entire forum over this, just like he did with his Ostrosser quiz and just like he did when he couldn't convince the forum that the infield fly rule should be ditched. All because he didn't like what Alonso said. And the thing is, it was probably a throwaway comment that Alonso himself might not even remember any more. Alonso might've been thinking more about which restaurant he was gonna have dinner in after he left the stadium when he made his "fun" comment. And this jerk holds Alonso to this ridiculously absurd and unrealistic standard that you'd think Alonso should've spoken as if he was one of the framers and founders, debating about what to include in the Bill of Rights when he said he was having "fun".

ashie62 Oct 10 2022 05:16 PM Re: Are you having fun?

It was a throwaway remark from a ballplayer How it took on a life of it's own I do not know

ashie62 Oct 10 2022 05:22 PM Re: Are you having fun?

Earlier poster said he started drinking again after 63 days in an IGT thread Good luck with that roger

batmagadanleadoff Oct 10 2022 06:05 PM Re: Are you having fun?

I think I'm going to put myself on a posting moratorium for a few days, maybe a few weeks. I don't want to be repeating myself, or getting into arguments I can never make any progress on, until you folks learn how to process your grief, or even to acknowledge it, so I'll take my leave for a while now. Thanks for everything. You're a good bunch of guys and gals, with rare exceptions, and you don't seem to be getting much benefit from my unusual perspective. Oh please don't go. If you go, how will we ever learn to process our grief properly? Please stay and teach us how to process our grief. Please benefit us. This is all our fault I didn't catch this right away because I was too busy poking fun at it. But it finally sunk in. The audacity, the outrageous mindset and sense of superiority it takes for a person to tell another -- no, not tell -- insist -- on how they should "process their grief". Wow!

batmagadanleadoff Oct 10 2022 06:34 PM Re: Are you having fun?

Jason Fry (Faith and Fear in Flushing) on that game: I was there for that night, also known as Game 3 of the Wild Card Series.... Unlike Game 1, we had good neighbors — knowledgeable about the game, passionate about the Mets, and philosophical and mournful instead of vengeful and irrational once things spun out of control. [Emphasis added] [***] [T]he Mets lost one and then won one and then their opponents played better and so they lost a rubber game. There's nothing earth-shaking about that — I could have just described several chunks of any season, even a 101-win one. But because this particular rubber game came in October, people will try and tell you it means everything. They'll turn it into a referendum on the entire season, or say risible stuff about 26 guys wanting it more than 26 other guys, or opine about who was battle-tested or possessed the will to win. And it will all be nonsense. The Mets lost a rubber game in an exhibition series. It's disappointing and I'm sad about it, but fundamentally that's all that happened and all this other … stuff encrusting that fact is more than a little ridiculous. The postseason is a series of coin flips that we spin into Just So stories, and the more baseball I watch, the more resistant I am to the whole narrative industrial complex that surrounds the games. [***] [D]on't let losing an exhibition series sour you on a 101-win campaign that was marvelous fun for six months. http://www.faithandfearinflushing.com/ bml and Jason Fry similarity score --- off the charts!

Fman99 Oct 11 2022 07:25 AM Re: Are you having fun?

I am wallowing in stage 4, depression. I do expect to move on to stage 5 of the grieving process (acceptance) but it won't be this week. And you can bet your ass I'm not watching any more baseball this year. I hate all of the fans whose teams are still in contention.

TransMonk Oct 11 2022 07:41 AM Re: Are you having fun?

I saw an analogy online that fits my current mood: the 2022 Mets' season was like the full series of Game of Thrones. Exciting and well executed right until the very end, which sucked and seemed unworthy of being attached to the rest of the whole.

Edgy MD Oct 11 2022 08:03 AM Re: Are you having fun?

The 2022 Mets season was like The Fellowship of the Ring. It was disquieting to see heroes fall and the team routed at the end, and you know that some of them are finished and some will be splintering off, but you also know that the it's all part of a greater narrative arc, and the story goes on.

kcmets Oct 11 2022 09:42 AM Re: Are you having fun?

Benjamin Grimm wrote: We can either choose to wallow in angst or to get on with our lives. I know that there are those who prefer the first option, but I'll never understand why. I understand it. At different times in my life I've been emotionally married to the Mets (and to a lesser extent, the Knicks and Jets) but I'm just not there today... #lgm #ygb #ymdyf OE: I think 'emotionally invested in' works better than 'married to.' Carry on! #lgm #ygb #ymdyf