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Take a Picture of Kodai Senga

bmfc1 Nov 14 2022 10:59 AM

Kodai Senga, 29 year old RH SP, is on his way to MLB. His numbers are outstanding and would only cost $. I hope that the Mets are considering him. https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=senga-000kod https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kodai_Senga [TWEET]https://twitter.com/mikemayer22/status/1592211416244944896[/TWEET]

Benjamin Grimm Nov 14 2022 11:08 AM Re: Take a Picture of Kodai Senga

A "ghost forkball"?

batmagadanleadoff Nov 14 2022 11:20 AM Re: Take a Picture of Kodai Senga

Hope he doesnt insist on wearing his old uniform number here in the US. That'd be a dealbreaker.

Edgy MD Nov 14 2022 11:28 AM Re: Take a Picture of Kodai Senga

Benjamin Grimm wrote: A "ghost forkball"? Glad you asked! [YOUTUBE]Obf5wPWNiCs[/YOUTUBE]

MFS62 Nov 14 2022 11:36 AM Re: Take a Picture of Kodai Senga

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=112882 time=1668450033 user_id=68] Hope he doesnt insist on wearing his old uniform number here in the US. That'd be a dealbreaker.

I'm not all that into the sanctity of baseball numbers.

The MFYs have two Hall of Fame Catchers who wore #8.

A second Mets pitcher who wears #41 making it to the Hall of Fame would be something I'd be proud of.

And, I think a Japanese player would appreciate tradition (denteu). He would either not wear it out of respect or wear it as an honor.



Later

Edgy MD Nov 14 2022 11:50 AM Re: Take a Picture of Kodai Senga

The number is retired. Nobody else is going to wear it.

smg58 Nov 14 2022 01:18 PM Re: Take a Picture of Kodai Senga

Doesn't make as many bats miss as you might think, but he does keep the ball in the yard. If 3 and 36 had a chance of getting him I'd be interested, but I'd be OK moving on if somebody goes over that.

kcmets Nov 14 2022 01:36 PM Re: Take a Picture of Kodai Senga

Edgy MD wrote: The number is retired. Nobody else is going to wear it. I read somewhere that Camp Manfred is considering that retired numbers may soon be able to be worn again so long as they're worn with the different font than the retirees. Crazy world we live in.

Edgy MD Nov 14 2022 01:46 PM Re: Take a Picture of Kodai Senga

We do indeed live in a crazy world, but I'm ready to bet all my Hardy Boys books that 41 doesn't get worn in a game by a non-Seaver anytime in the next decade.

MFS62 Nov 14 2022 02:00 PM Re: Take a Picture of Kodai Senga

=kcmets post_id=112911 time=1668458203 user_id=53] I read somewhere that Camp Manfred is considering that retired numbers may soon be able to be worn again so long as they're worn with the different font than the retirees. Crazy world we live in.

Different fonts are ok?

He must have been speaking to the sculptor who did the Seaver statue.

Later

batmagadanleadoff Nov 14 2022 02:05 PM Re: Take a Picture of Kodai Senga

Edgy MD wrote: The number is retired. Nobody else is going to wear it. I read somewhere that Camp Manfred is considering that retired numbers may soon be able to be worn again so long as they're worn with the different font than the retirees. Crazy world we live in. This is even nuttier than the extra inning free runner on second base, if such a thing is even possible.

Frayed Knot Nov 14 2022 02:09 PM Re: Take a Picture of Kodai Senga

Here's how to put more retired numbers back in circulation: stop retiring so many numbers.

kcmets Nov 14 2022 02:11 PM Re: Take a Picture of Kodai Senga

=MFS62 post_id=112915 time=1668459619 user_id=60] =kcmets post_id=112911 time=1668458203 user_id=53] I read somewhere that Camp Manfred is considering that retired numbers may soon be able to be worn again so long as they're worn with the different font than the retirees. Crazy world we live in.

Different fonts are ok?

He must have been speaking to the sculptor who did the Seaver statue.

Later


Well, that was the gist behind my silliness.

Johnny Lunchbucket Nov 18 2022 05:56 PM Re: Take a Picture of Kodai Senga

Some Guys On The Internet say this fella follows the Mets on his Twitter account so I'm taking that as definitive proof that he is in the bag

G-Fafif Dec 10 2022 09:44 PM Re: Take a Picture of Kodai Senga

Picture this! [tweet]https://twitter.com/ken_rosenthal/status/1601798943251349504[/tweet]

Centerfield Dec 10 2022 09:48 PM Re: Take a Picture of Kodai Senga

Wow. Not that much AAV. Worried about his walks and lack of strikeouts. But if he's anywhere near as good as advertised this is a great pickup.

Lefty Specialist Dec 10 2022 09:53 PM Re: Take a Picture of Kodai Senga

Me likey. He's got nasty stuff. It's like Steve Cohen is trying to make up for decades of Fred Wilpon in one off-season. They'll have to pace him a bit as Japanese pitchers aren't worked as frequently as they are here. But this is a good signing. Rotation is now complete- Scherzer/Verlander/Senga/Quintana/Carrasco. I'll go to war with that bunch, with Peterson and Megill on call if needed. Another bullpen arm would be nice, but I'm quibbling.

Frayed Knot Dec 11 2022 03:09 AM Re: Take a Picture of Kodai Senga

Zenga!!

Fman99 Dec 11 2022 04:16 AM Re: Take a Picture of Kodai Senga

Just watched footage of him making MLB hitters look pretty foolish in the 2017 WBC. Love this move. He's got some filthy stuff.

Fman99 Dec 11 2022 04:37 AM Re: Take a Picture of Kodai Senga Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 11 2022 09:43 AM

I like the numbers comparison, too. deGrom to TX - 5 yrs/$185 mil Verlander, Quintana, Senga - 2/$86 mil + 2/$26 mil + 5/$75 mil = 9/$187 million

Edgy MD Dec 11 2022 06:49 AM Re: Take a Picture of Kodai Senga

It certainly puts the eggs in multiple baskets.

Johnny Lunchbucket Dec 11 2022 07:53 AM Re: Take a Picture of Kodai Senga

More excited about this guy more than Verlander, who seems more mercenary. BTW has the instant reply window gone away or did I toggle something wrong

Edgy MD Dec 11 2022 08:00 AM Re: Take a Picture of Kodai Senga

We've put the instant reply window on hiatus for the time being.

Johnny Lunchbucket Dec 11 2022 08:20 AM Re: Take a Picture of Kodai Senga

Edgy MD wrote: We've put the instant reply window on hiatus for the time being. 👎

TransMonk Dec 11 2022 08:42 AM Re: Take a Picture of Kodai Senga

This has been a pretty amazing offseason. Very excited!

nymr83 Dec 11 2022 09:51 AM Re: Take a Picture of Kodai Senga

=Centerfield post_id=114512 time=1670734111 user_id=65] Wow. Not that much AAV. Worried about his walks and lack of strikeouts. But if he's anywhere near as good as advertised this is a great pickup.

I'm guessing this is where the 'opt outs' came in - he gets a good baseline deal here if he is a decent pitcher (and even if he isn't), but if he really goes nuts Uncle Steve can pay him more money later

MFS62 Dec 11 2022 10:08 AM Re: Take a Picture of Kodai Senga

Shocked when I heard they signed him. Make that pleasantly surprised. Now some relievers and a hitter would round out the roster nicely. But with Cohen's money, it will only be a matter of time. (yes, I'm greedy) Later

Frayed Knot Dec 11 2022 10:09 AM Re: Take a Picture of Kodai Senga

Edgy MD wrote: We've put the instant reply window on hiatus for the time being. Instant replay window?

metirish Dec 11 2022 04:30 PM Re: Take a Picture of Kodai Senga

I never heard of Senga until recently, NBC local sports anchor reporting on this deal yyybbb " there are some injury concerns though" and added nothing else

Frayed Knot Dec 11 2022 04:44 PM Re: Take a Picture of Kodai Senga

Lefty Specialist wrote: It's like Steve Cohen is trying to make up for decades of Fred Wilpon in one off-season. Two really since last winter had as many wholesale changes as this winter. And that's a good thing ... mostly. Cuz while it's understandable that Uncle Steve wanted to make a big splash early [and you gotta say it worked as shooting from sub-.500 to 101 wins overnight is the kind of turn-around you rarely see] it would be nice to get to the point where we don't have to undergo such radical transformations each off-season. Last winter we hit big on Scherzer, on Marte, on Bassitt & Ottavino & Canha, and, to a slightly lesser extent, on Escobar (and, yes, I realize some of those were trades rather than FAs). But it's tough to count on that high a hit percentage so you're going to have to expect some McCanns mixed in when you put yourself in the position of needing to fill five or six major holes each off-season. And this is all before we even get into how some of these deals are going to look on the back end three or four, or five or ... Gasp!, Eight years down the line. It's a tough way to do business even when you've got the financial ability to play at that level.

Lefty Specialist Dec 11 2022 05:29 PM Re: Take a Picture of Kodai Senga

Well, Uncle Steve's spending binge is allowing the Mets to hang on to their prospects rather than trade them. The farm was a little threadbare and it'll take a few years to recover. That's where the ability to buy what you need comes in handy. I agree it's not sustainable indefinitely but it doesn't have to be, if they do things right.

Ceetar Dec 11 2022 08:13 PM Re: Take a Picture of Kodai Senga

Lefty Specialist wrote: Well, Uncle Steve's spending binge is allowing the Mets to hang on to their prospects rather than trade them. The farm was a little threadbare and it'll take a few years to recover. That's where the ability to buy what you need comes in handy. I agree it's not sustainable indefinitely but it doesn't have to be, if they do things right. big if. Happy as can be that we've signed some of these guys, but writing a check is the easy part. Two seasons in a row now...three really, but different leadership then (though plenty of the same people!)..they've failed to make the more complicated draft/deadline moves that very well could've been the difference makers. Coupled with the pathetic handling of promotions..

Frayed Knot Dec 12 2022 05:22 AM Re: Take a Picture of Kodai Senga

Lefty Specialist wrote: Well, Uncle Steve's spending binge is allowing the Mets to hang on to their prospects rather than trade them. The farm was a little threadbare and it'll take a few years to recover. That's where the ability to buy what you need comes in handy. I agree it's not sustainable indefinitely but it doesn't have to be, if they do things right. Like I said, it's mostly a good thing, particularly when the new boss in town wants to show off by going from 0-to-60 in under 10 seconds. And it's tough to argue that it's Not working, at least for now. But it's not like they haven't dealt away prospects also -- sometimes foolishly (for Baez), sometimes poorly (Ruf) -- and we're not always going to see the success rate of '21/'22 or always skate past the pitfalls during the back-end of some of these deals. In short, they still need a strong/smart PoBO who will SHOW STEVIE THE PLAN!!! so that we don't wind up with a 1980's-era GMSIII, or re-visit Wilponland who, even when they were spending in the pre-Madoff era, could still manage to screw up a two car parade.

batmagadanleadoff Dec 12 2022 05:43 AM Re: Take a Picture of Kodai Senga

I'm not sure what miracle Cohen's expected to have brought about in the short time he's owned the Mets. He's on the right track and Rome wasnt built. Hopefully, some of the prospects pan out, giving the Mets cheap star talent, like it was with Wright and Reyes almost 20 years ago. Then Cohen can lower the payroll. Not that it's anything anyways. $100M to him is like a fancy dinner or two to regular people. When the Mets are in danger of losing draft picks because of the payroll, then I'll revisit this topic. And its not a guarantee anyways. How many WS have the Dodgers and Yankees won in the last 15 years? Its really a crapshoot now with almost half the teams qualifying for post season. Cohen's extraordinary wealth will allow him to sign top tier free agents but the Mets just wont be winning the WS all the time no matter how high payroll is. But Mets fans will get to watch top notch baseball and root for stars that'll finish among the leaders statistically and maybe even nab some personal hardware. And that's a huge and enjoyable part of being a fan so enjoy that. Unless you prefer Michael Cuddyer in his mid 30s.

Frayed Knot Dec 12 2022 06:11 AM Re: Take a Picture of Kodai Senga

I don't care where the payroll is and never have. That's not what I'm saying here. I'm talking about not finding yourself in a position where you need to replace and/or retain your #s 1, 3, & 4 starters plus your closer plus your starting CF, all just to get back to status quo (except that each is now older, more expensive, and more committed to potential down years) because they all hit 30 (or more) and hit the FA market at the same time. And this is all just one year after spending the previous winter scouring the open market to find a starting RF, LF, 3B plus several starters and several relievers because you had no in-house candidates to fill those spots or were too impatient to wait and see if you did. I understand why it's happening this way now and you can't argue with the short term results. But it's also not a trend I want to see happen each and every off-season.

metsmarathon Dec 12 2022 07:12 AM Re: Take a Picture of Kodai Senga

Frayed Knot wrote: I don't care where the payroll is and never have. That's not what I'm saying here. I'm talking about not finding yourself in a position where you need to replace and/or retain your #s 1, 3, & 4 starters plus your closer plus your starting CF, all just to get back to status quo (except that each is now older, more expensive, and more committed to potential down years) because they all hit 30 (or more) and hit the FA market at the same time. And this is all just one year after spending the previous winter scouring the open market to find a starting RF, LF, 3B plus several starters and several relievers because you had no in-house candidates to fill those spots or were too impatient to wait and see if you did. I understand why it's happening this way now and you can't argue with the short term results. But it's also not a trend I want to see happen each and every off-season. i think that the way this offseason went, they're setting themselves up for more of a roster that can be sustained long term. of all the signings that they've made, i don't think there are any BAD ones, where they're just throwing money out there just to say they did. in the rotation, only carrasco is a potential free agent after this season, presuming scherzer picks up his player option at $43M. canha and escobar have team options, so there's not a whole lot of need for extensive roster turnover next offseason, unless they do so at their own choosing (if baty & vientos work out, for instance) going into 25 will be a different story, mind you, unless we can get squirrel and polar bear extended...

Edgy MD Dec 12 2022 09:13 AM Re: Take a Picture of Kodai Senga

Please remind me — is there no longer a posting system for players transferring from NPB to MLB, or does Senga's status somehow exclude him?

MFS62 Dec 12 2022 09:19 AM Re: Take a Picture of Kodai Senga

Edgy MD wrote: Please remind me — is there no longer a posting system for players transferring from NPB to MLB, or does Senga's status somehow exclude him? Early on in the Senga stories, I read that the Major League team that signs him would have to pay his Japanese League team $10 million, but the article didn't specifically say that was because of posting. Later

Benjamin Grimm Dec 12 2022 09:25 AM Re: Take a Picture of Kodai Senga

Edgy MD wrote: Please remind me — is there no longer a posting system for players transferring from NPB to MLB, or does Senga's status somehow exclude him? There is still a posting system, but it didn't apply to Senga. I think Senga was a free agent in Japan, so no team had a claim on him.

Centerfield Dec 13 2022 11:17 AM Re: Take a Picture of Kodai Senga

Frayed Knot wrote: I don't care where the payroll is and never have. That's not what I'm saying here. I'm talking about not finding yourself in a position where you need to replace and/or retain your #s 1, 3, & 4 starters plus your closer plus your starting CF, all just to get back to status quo (except that each is now older, more expensive, and more committed to potential down years) because they all hit 30 (or more) and hit the FA market at the same time. And this is all just one year after spending the previous winter scouring the open market to find a starting RF, LF, 3B plus several starters and several relievers because you had no in-house candidates to fill those spots or were too impatient to wait and see if you did. I understand why it's happening this way now and you can't argue with the short term results. But it's also not a trend I want to see happen each and every off-season. All good points. I would guess that Steve Cohen has no intention of spending to this degree year after year, and he's doing this out of necessity based upon (1) a bare farm system, and (2) his self-proclaimed 3-5 year window. I'm guessing that he's hoping his investment into scouting etc will allow him to develop some home-grown talent and eventually bring payroll down. It's a little ironic that the end of the Wilpon Era coincided with the "Everyone makes the playoffs" era. The Wilpons would have been thrilled to pump out 86 win teams with the hope that they would sneak into the playoffs.

Johnny Lunchbucket Dec 16 2022 05:35 PM Re: Take a Picture of Kodai Senga

Been a week and no official announcement. I want to see this fella do the press conference business.

batmagadanleadoff Dec 16 2022 06:06 PM Re: Take a Picture of Kodai Senga

It's a little ironic that the end of the Wilpon Era coincided with the "Everyone makes the playoffs" era. The Wilpons would have been thrilled to pump out 86 win teams with the hope that they would sneak into the playoffs. That's pretty much what the Wilpons were doing even before playoffs expanded to the point that almost half the teams qualify.

kcmets Dec 16 2022 06:19 PM Re: Take a Picture of Kodai Senga

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Been a week and no official announcement. I want to see this fella do the press conference business. Kinda odd, right? Even the official site lists the news item with (source) in the description and when you click on it's a DiComo tweet - which is kinda amusing but I won't go there at the present time. Maybe it's taking time for him to get here from Japan and then pass a physical? Still, I would think that in itself would be worthy of a news blurb or two.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 16 2022 07:05 PM Re: Take a Picture of Kodai Senga

Have they officially introduced Verlander yet?

Frayed Knot Dec 16 2022 07:16 PM Re: Take a Picture of Kodai Senga

I keep seeing tabloid photos of Justin & Kate splahing around on some fancy beach somewheres, so I guess his intro needs to wait until their vacay rental expires.

Edgy MD Dec 16 2022 07:28 PM Re: Take a Picture of Kodai Senga

Baseball-reference refers to Kodai Senga as Koudai Senga. That needs to be sorted out and it may take a few more weeks.

batmagadanleadoff Dec 16 2022 07:47 PM Re: Take a Picture of Kodai Senga

Edgy MD wrote: Baseball-reference refers to Kodai Senga as Koudai Senga. That needs to be sorted out and it may take a few more weeks. How horrendous! Please continue to monitor this national tragedy and get back to me immediately as soon as this is all rectified.

G-Fafif Dec 16 2022 08:21 PM Re: Take a Picture of Kodai Senga

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Have they officially introduced Verlander yet? Scheduled presser Tuesday.

MFS62 Dec 17 2022 07:50 AM Re: Take a Picture of Kodai Senga

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Have they officially introduced Verlander yet? Scheduled presser Tuesday. According to Facebook, he and his WILF are currently vacationing at a beach resort. He'll be back by Tuesday. OE: St Bart's https://www.yahoo.com/news/kate-upton-justin-verlander-splash-182255732.html Later

Lefty Specialist Dec 17 2022 11:37 AM Re: Take a Picture of Kodai Senga

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G-Fafif Dec 17 2022 05:34 PM Re: Take a Picture of Kodai Senga

Worst-kept secret now a known fact. [tweet]https://twitter.com/mets/status/1604272882233888770[/tweet]

Johnny Lunchbucket Dec 17 2022 06:06 PM Re: Take a Picture of Kodai Senga

I feel like my post lit a fire under them.

batmagadanleadoff Dec 17 2022 06:11 PM Re: Take a Picture of Kodai Senga

Is Senga gonna wear a jersey without a front number? Or are all of the Mets now gonna go front numberless? Or just Senga? Can everybody get back to me on this?

batmagadanleadoff Dec 17 2022 06:21 PM Re: Take a Picture of Kodai Senga

This is so freaking boring already. I'm wishing it was already next year so that the Mets can get Ohtani. How much more do I have to wait for Ohtani because I can't wait anymore? Someone go tell deGrom that Cohen still doesn't wanna win. Chris Young has the vision.

Marshmallowmilkshake Dec 18 2022 07:20 AM Re: Take a Picture of Kodai Senga

Per SNY: Senga will become the 14th Japanese-born player to appear in at least one game for the Mets, the most by any major league team. I would never have guessed that the Mets have had more Japanese-born players than any other team.

Gwreck Dec 18 2022 07:40 AM Re: Take a Picture of Kodai Senga Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Dec 18 2022 08:17 AM

Bobby V and his experience in Japan probably helped push the number higher. Japanese players on Bobby's teams: Nomo Kashiwada [CROSSOUT]Ishii[/CROSSOUT] Yoshii (Oops!) Shinjo Komiyama

Edgy MD Dec 18 2022 08:13 AM Re: Take a Picture of Kodai Senga

From The Days of Kashiwada, the Mets seemed to have some intention of fielding at least one Japanese player a year. In more recent years they've added to their total with players — Shingo Takatsu, Daisuke Matazaka, Norichika Aolki — making a partial season cameo after being grabbed in a pinch, with a little less intentionality, and subsequently with fewer Metly associations in the public mind.

G-Fafif Dec 18 2022 08:56 AM Re: Take a Picture of Kodai Senga

[tweet]https://twitter.com/snytv/status/1604488684891422720[/tweet]

kcmets Dec 18 2022 09:30 AM Re: Take a Picture of Kodai Senga

Edgy MD wrote: From The Days of Kashiwada, the Mets seemed to have some intention of fielding at least one Japanese player a year. I have a few pictures somewhere of some of us in Philly parking lot being stalked by Japanese reporters checking out a Diamond Dad Shinjo banner. 'Awesoma Powah!' or, something....

Fman99 Dec 18 2022 09:47 AM Re: Take a Picture of Kodai Senga

Senga has posted on social media, he's seeking input from fans, thinking among choosing between numbers 34, 40 or 46.

Marshmallowmilkshake Dec 18 2022 10:29 AM Re: Take a Picture of Kodai Senga

Gotta go with something in the 40s!

Johnny Lunchbucket Dec 18 2022 11:20 AM Re: Take a Picture of Kodai Senga

Of the 3 choices he's best taking 40. I'd like to see him in 18

Edgy MD Dec 18 2022 01:18 PM Re: Take a Picture of Kodai Senga

Let him know!

stevejrogers Dec 18 2022 04:49 PM Re: Take a Picture of Kodai Senga

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/sny_mets/status/1604605678349389827?s=46&t=3DU6uxG2dytNWEqRoQqE7A[/TWEET]

Johnny Lunchbucket Dec 18 2022 05:44 PM Re: Take a Picture of Kodai Senga

Edgy MD wrote: Let him know! I advised him of that

Edgy MD Dec 18 2022 06:43 PM Re: Take a Picture of Kodai Senga

This is great. First this forum impacts a moon mission and now we're going to impact the number of a Mets starting pitcher.

G-Fafif Dec 19 2022 09:06 AM Re: Take a Picture of Kodai Senga

Kodai dons 34, thanks the fans for choosing it for him, adds a Let's Go Mets in English.