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What's your Plan B?

Marshmallowmilkshake Dec 02 2022 08:36 PM

OK, Jake's gone. The Mets have a gaping hole in the rotation and a pile of cash to spend. What are you doing? Do you go for Verlander one a short-term, high-priced contract? Or do you get two $20 million pitchers?

Johnny Lunchbucket Dec 03 2022 06:28 AM Re: What's your Plan B?

Rodon, Bassitt and Senga.

metirish Dec 03 2022 07:02 AM Re: What's your Plan B?

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Rodon, Bassitt and Senga. I like this, very wary of Verlander. I would think someone is going to give him a stupid contract, hopefully not the Mets

MFS62 Dec 03 2022 07:21 AM Re: What's your Plan B?

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Rodon, Bassitt and Senga. This gets my vote. Later

smg58 Dec 03 2022 07:28 AM Re: What's your Plan B?

Here is where it gets tricky. Teams are overpaying for the innings they get from pitchers right now, so you have to be careful. Plus the injury risk is high. Rodon has become an elite pitcher by jacking up his velocity; how much are you really willing to bet that's sustainable? But Jose Quintana seems to have gotten his groove back by not trying to strike people out. He might provide quality at low risk. Ross Stripling found success by walking fewer people and keeping the ball in the yard. He's another good bet to be worth more than his contract. And Johnny Cueto came back from injury to not only pitch well for the White Sox, but to give them more than six innings per start (something distressingly few starters have been doing). I think all three of those guys are capable of giving you at least as much as Bassitt for less money.

Bunt the First Two Dec 03 2022 08:36 AM Re: What's your Plan B?

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Rodon, Bassitt and Senga. 　　Rodon and Bassitt and Senga 　　The Mets signed all three and cried ‘Venga!' 　　deGrom had defected 　　The team redirected 　　Then collapsed like a tower of Jenga

A Boy Named Seo Dec 05 2022 11:07 AM Re: What's your Plan B?

Getting Rodon feels greedy now, but I'd love to land the Ghost Sinker.

metirish Dec 05 2022 11:09 AM Re: What's your Plan B?

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Rodon, Bassitt and Senga. I like this, very wary of Verlander. I would think someone is going to give him a stupid contract, hopefully not the Mets Two years is not stupid, I'm happy enough, although always wary

metsmarathon Dec 05 2022 12:42 PM Re: What's your Plan B?

i feel like the mets need to get a pitcher signed to a longer contract, just to give the rotation some semblance of stability down the road. to that end, i'm fairly intrigued by the idea of the contract estimates i've seen out there on senga. 4x14 sure sounds like a good idea to me, if that's what it would take to get him, and that's what fangraphs has estimated in their crowdsourcing effort. i'd like to add a vesting 5th year, or team option on there as well, but he's where i think the mets should go next. i haven't looked too deeply at the depth chart, but with verlander, we're currently 5-deep on starters with megill and peterson at the back end. Senga would push us to 6, which is where i think we should be. After Senga, i'd want to go for a reclamation project, or maybe someone who can slot into the bullpen while waiting for a chance at the rotation opening up. because i don't think we have a "next guy" waiting in the wings after megill and peterson, do we? other than maybe lucchesi. would it be crazy to offer that job to thor? probably, and he wouldn't or shouldn't take it, but a man can dream silly dreams can't he? i mean, sure, rodon would be awesome. bassit would be nice. but i think senga is the potential to be a dynamic addition to the rotation, giving nearly the same performance and maybe some stability, while retaining financial flexibility to keep on improving the team elsewhere.

Fman99 Dec 05 2022 01:10 PM Re: What's your Plan B?

So they've "replaced" deGrom with Verlander. I would have to assume that Walker and Bassitt both get replaced (or resigned, less likely I would guess) with comparable FA's out there, allowing them to continue to hold Magill and Peterson in reserves as your #6-#7 guys with upside.

A Boy Named Seo Dec 05 2022 01:15 PM Re: What's your Plan B?

Mets seem to be hot for Jameson Taillon. Aside from the nebulous bullet point on his resume that he "can pitch in New York", he seems pretty much a like-for-like replacement of Taijuan Walker (MLBTR both project them at 4 years/$50-ish million). Taillon (or Walker) and Ghost Sinker would leave me in positive mood.

metsmarathon Dec 05 2022 01:57 PM Re: What's your Plan B?

would you rather have taiillon or taijuan?

A Boy Named Seo Dec 05 2022 02:15 PM Re: What's your Plan B?

=metsmarathon post_id=113991 time=1670273866 user_id=83] would you rather have taiillon or taijuan?

I guess Jameson Taillon? Over the last couple of years, they're remarkably similar (but Taillon has walked a few less batters). Taijuan Walker is cool as hell, though, so my heart says him.

MFS62 Dec 05 2022 02:17 PM Re: What's your Plan B?

would you rather have taiillon or taijuan? Neither as my #3, but as a #4 or #5, Walker. I'm not sure if the only reason Taillon gave up all those home runs last year was because of YS III. Walker pitched well last year, but faded in the playoffs. Is it a coincidence that Metirish is back and I initially spelled the name as "Wanker"? Later

metsmarathon Dec 07 2022 06:42 AM Re: What's your Plan B?

=metsmarathon post_id=113991 time=1670273866 user_id=83] would you rather have taiillon or taijuan?

welp, apparently we can have neither.



worth noting, both taillon and taijuan got bigger contracts than what fangraphs' crowdsource predicted, by a lot. both with one more year AND ~40% higher AAV. pitching is sure expensive this year.



fwiw, bassit has been predicted to be 3x16. if this mini-trend were to hold, one might expect him to end up with a 4x23.

A Boy Named Seo Dec 07 2022 08:13 AM Re: What's your Plan B?

=metsmarathon post_id=114170 time=1670420541 user_id=83] =metsmarathon post_id=113991 time=1670273866 user_id=83] would you rather have taiillon or taijuan?

welp, apparently we can have neither.



worth noting, both taillon and taijuan got bigger contracts than what fangraphs' crowdsource predicted, by a lot. both with one more year AND ~40% higher AAV. pitching is sure expensive this year.



fwiw, bassit has been predicted to be 3x16. if this mini-trend were to hold, one might expect him to end up with a 4x23.


Yeah, they both blew past their MLBTR projections, too. I guess I'm all-in on Ghost Sinker, but still need another dude after that. And yeah, you gotta figure Bassit is gonna come out of this looking real good.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 07 2022 08:16 AM Re: What's your Plan B?

I assume that Verlander means that Rodon isn't going to happen. (But in this new world of ours, who can be sure?) I'd be happy with Senga. That would give us Scherzer, Verlander, Senga, Carrasco, Megill, and Peterson, backed up by Lucchesi, Yamamoto (is he still around?) and... Butto?

A Boy Named Seo Dec 07 2022 08:26 AM Re: What's your Plan B?

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I assume that Verlander means that Rodon isn't going to happen. (But in this new world of ours, who can be sure?) I'd be happy with Senga. That would give us Scherzer, Verlander, Senga, Carrasco, Megill, and Peterson, backed up by Lucchesi, Yamamoto (is he still around?) and... Butto? I'm guessing you're right, but 3 fellas in their late 30s and a player making his MLB debut anchoring the rotation would make me a little queasy. I would ideally like to replace all of JdG, Taijuan and Bassit (I'd happily take Bassit back). Funny that Rodon, whose been injured pretty much his whole career, looks like such a safe bet to me.

metirish Dec 07 2022 08:30 AM Re: What's your Plan B?

I was absolutely withered at times watching Bassitt pitch , having said that I like his grittiness, looking for four years?

Edgy MD Dec 07 2022 08:58 AM Re: What's your Plan B?

Benjamin Grimm wrote: That would give us Scherzer, Verlander, Senga, Carrasco, Megill, and Peterson, backed up by Lucchesi, Yamamoto (is he still around?) and... Butto? Yammy is a minor league free agent at the current time. Megill's brand took a lot of hits the second half of 2022 from his extended rehab and his non-competitive appearances upon his return. I don't really see a scenario (apart from injuries forcing the team's hand) where he opens 2023 in the rotation, and the Mets are possibly still thinking bullpen for him.

metsmarathon Dec 07 2022 09:09 AM Re: What's your Plan B?

i was thinking a bit on it, and especially in light of the quintana signing today, i think i'm ok with megill and peterson putatively being the 6th/7th options, pending us singing a song of senga signing. i don't like putting too many roadblocks in their collective ways to future success, but with our rotation being as generally old as it is, i figure they'll get their turns, much as with this past season. (though hopefully not as much replacing the top two guys)

A Boy Named Seo Dec 07 2022 09:15 AM Re: What's your Plan B?

=metsmarathon post_id=114195 time=1670429388 user_id=83] i was thinking a bit on it, and especially in light of the quintana signing today, i think i'm ok with megill and peterson putatively being the 6th/7th options, pending us singing a song of senga signing. i don't like putting too many roadblocks in their collective ways to future success, but with our rotation being as generally old as it is, i figure they'll get their turns, much as with this past season. (though hopefully not as much replacing the top two guys)

I agree. And even if the Mets get 300 innings out of Scherzlander, there will probably be innings for those guys from somewhere else.

smg58 Dec 07 2022 01:35 PM Re: What's your Plan B?

=smg58 post_id=113767 time=1670077709 user_id=62] Here is where it gets tricky. Teams are overpaying for the innings they get from pitchers right now, so you have to be careful. Plus the injury risk is high. Rodon has become an elite pitcher by jacking up his velocity; how much are you really willing to bet that's sustainable? But Jose Quintana seems to have gotten his groove back by not trying to strike people out. He might provide quality at low risk. Ross Stripling found success by walking fewer people and keeping the ball in the yard. He's another good bet to be worth more than his contract. And Johnny Cueto came back from injury to not only pitch well for the White Sox, but to give them more than six innings per start (something distressingly few starters have been doing). I think all three of those guys are capable of giving you at least as much as Bassitt for less money.

Hey, I sort of called that one!

A Boy Named Seo Dec 08 2022 10:00 AM Re: What's your Plan B?

Here is where it gets tricky. Teams are overpaying for the innings they get from pitchers right now, so you have to be careful. Plus the injury risk is high. Rodon has become an elite pitcher by jacking up his velocity; how much are you really willing to bet that's sustainable? But Jose Quintana seems to have gotten his groove back by not trying to strike people out. He might provide quality at low risk. Ross Stripling found success by walking fewer people and keeping the ball in the yard. He's another good bet to be worth more than his contract. And Johnny Cueto came back from injury to not only pitch well for the White Sox, but to give them more than six innings per start (something distressingly few starters have been doing). I think all three of those guys are capable of giving you at least as much as Bassitt for less money. Hey, I sort of called that one! Mets looking at Stripling... The smg crystal ball is finely tuned. https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/12/mets-looking-to-add-third-starting-pitcher-interested-in-ross-stripling.html

smg58 Dec 08 2022 11:20 AM Re: What's your Plan B?

In all seriousness, I was looking to see which pitchers were good bets to outperform their likely contracts, and the list is distressingly short. I'm not one for overpaying for last year's stats -- I've made that mistake often enough in fantasy -- but Quintana wasn't overpaid at all and I don't think Stripling will be either.

A Boy Named Seo Dec 08 2022 11:32 AM Re: What's your Plan B?

Kind of intrigued by Stripling. I thought he was Lugo-ish, in that he was better as a reliever, but that isn't the case at all. And he could be a reliable swing guy, if needed. Sign Stripling NOW!!!!