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No homies in starting rotation?

roger_that Dec 12 2022 12:42 PM

This guy sez so, and I can't call him a liar.[TWEET]https://twitter.com/OmarMinayaFan/status/1602032877411405825/photo/1[/TWEET] When was the Mets' last non-homie starting rotation?

Benjamin Grimm Dec 12 2022 12:46 PM Re: No homies in starting rotation?

In 1999, the five pitchers with the most starts were Orel Hershiser, Al Leiter, Rick Reed, Masato Yoshii... and Octavio Dotel. Tied for sixth place: Bobby Jones and Kenny Rogers. So that doesn't quite qualify, but it comes pretty close.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 12 2022 12:48 PM Re: No homies in starting rotation?

2005: Tom Glavine, Pedro Martinez, Kris Benson, Victor Zambrano, Kaz Ishii.

Johnny Lunchbucket Dec 12 2022 01:10 PM Re: No homies in starting rotation?

Steve Phillips didn't believe in developing pitching it seemed. At least not on the Mets-- he outsourced it

Edgy MD Dec 12 2022 01:52 PM Re: No homies in starting rotation?

It's probably pretty unlikely that David Peterson or Tylor Megill or José Butto or some combination of the three won't be holding a spot or two in the rotation at some juncture this season.

roger_that Dec 12 2022 01:59 PM Re: No homies in starting rotation?

I think the article claims no homies in the regular starting rotation, not in the emergency starter role.

kcmets Dec 12 2022 02:07 PM Re: No homies in starting rotation?

=roger_that post_id=114627 time=1670878744 user_id=128]I think the article claims no homies in the regular starting rotation

There's an article?



All I see is a twitter post between some fundies and some omar.

Gwreck Dec 12 2022 03:39 PM Re: No homies in starting rotation?

=roger_that post_id=114627 time=1670878744 user_id=128] I think the article claims no homies in the regular starting rotation, not in the emergency starter role.

What's the likelihood Peterson finishes in the top 5 of games started for the Mets in 2023? (He was #5 in 2022).



50%? 60%?

Edgy MD Dec 13 2022 09:00 AM Re: No homies in starting rotation?

I think the article claims no homies in the regular starting rotation, not in the emergency starter role. I don't think it makes you an "emergency" starter if you enter the rotation after the first-go-around. Looking backwards, I don't think we'd tag the 2011 rotation (say) as not including home-grown players (though it did) because Dillon Gee didn't join the rotation until game 16.

Ceetar Dec 13 2022 09:11 AM Re: No homies in starting rotation?

I think the article claims no homies in the regular starting rotation, not in the emergency starter role. What's the likelihood Peterson finishes in the top 5 of games started for the Mets in 2023? (He was #5 in 2022). 50%? 60%? as it stands right now? One of Peterson or Megill probably is in top 5 of games started. "Emergency starter" is not an official roster spot. For that matter, neither is "starting pitcher". This is when people like to trot out one specific lineup from one day of 162 and think it says something about the team as a whole. It's December 13th. None of these guys are going to start a game for nearly 5 months. Peterson could get a bionic arm transplant, heal up, and learn how to use it and throw 105 by then and be the workhorse ace who starts 45 games.

roger_that Dec 13 2022 10:36 AM Re: No homies in starting rotation?

hard to quantify, I know, but there's usually five pitchers designated, sometimes late in spring training but typically earlier, as your regular rotation and during the year, sometimes even from day one, there are setbacks, injuries, demotions, trades, that promote at least one starter into the top five in "number of games started." Yesterday I thought we were all set and today there's talk of trading Carrasco. Last year it took until what, July? to get our top five starters all working at the same time. But you'd have to include deGrom among our 2022 starters. Anyway, that's all beyond obvious--I'm just trying to figure if we can even discuss this subject without defining what constitutes a starting rotation for a particular year or if we need to keep chasing each other around the mulberry bish.

nymr83 Dec 14 2022 06:13 AM Re: No homies in starting rotation?

hard to quantify, I know, but there's usually five pitchers designated, sometimes late in spring training but typically earlier, as your regular rotation and during the year, sometimes even from day one, there are setbacks, injuries, demotions, trades, that promote at least one starter into the top five in "number of games started." Yesterday I thought we were all set and today there's talk of trading Carrasco. Last year it took until what, July? to get our top five starters all working at the same time. But you'd have to include deGrom among our 2022 starters. Anyway, that's all beyond obvious--I'm just trying to figure if we can even discuss this subject without defining what constitutes a starting rotation for a particular year or if we need to keep chasing each other around the mulberry bish. No, you can't really discuss whether this Mets team, or any other Mets team, has had 5 non-home grown starters in the rotation without defining the rotation.

Edgy MD Dec 19 2022 04:30 PM Re: No homies in starting rotation?

With the Padres reeling in Seth Lugo, it's seeming like a real meaningful chance that the Mets could open the season with no home-grown players on the entire pitching staff.

nymr83 Dec 19 2022 07:53 PM Re: No homies in starting rotation?

Edgy MD wrote: With the Padres reeling in Seth Lugo, it's seeming like a real meaningful chance that the Mets could open the season with no home-grown players on the entire pitching staff. I expect one of Megill or Petesron is the "long man" to start the season, with the other stretched out as a starter at AAA, unless an injury pushes one into the MLB rotation.

Edgy MD Dec 19 2022 09:26 PM Re: No homies in starting rotation?

Yes, Peterson and Megill are definitely wild cards. Please don't take "meaningful chance" as an indicator of where my chips are.