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Memories of Chris Bassitt

A Boy Named Seo Dec 12 2022 02:36 PM

Signed with the Blue Jays today for 3 years and $63M. Someone here said they couldn't tell Bassitt and Canha apart and after that, I started to confuse them. God speed, Chris Bassitt! https://www.baseball-reference.com/req/202209210/images/headshots/c/ca283903_mlbam.jpg>

Johnny Lunchbucket Dec 12 2022 02:41 PM Re: Memories of Chris Bassitt

They might not let him in the country if he's as antivaxx as he came off. also the pitch-clock rule is going to eff with him mercilessly. But I liked how steady he was given his stupid outbursts and long-delivery times.

metirish Dec 12 2022 02:52 PM Re: Memories of Chris Bassitt

I was one of those that couldn't tell them apart, anyway , absolutely miserable to watch pitch most nights

MFS62 Dec 12 2022 02:55 PM Re: Memories of Chris Bassitt Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Dec 12 2022 02:58 PM

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: also the pitch-clock rule is going to eff with him mercilessly. They probably measure time in meters in the Rogers Centre. J/K Nobody picked Toronto in our FA contest. Later

G-Fafif Dec 12 2022 02:56 PM Re: Memories of Chris Bassitt

I liked that he figured out how to work with Nido (and Mazeika) on the fly after clearly not being on the same page with them and admitting he should have stepped up in that regard sooner post-lockout, when he built rapport with only light-hitting James McCann. No pitcher seemed to jump off the mound faster after he believed he'd achieved an inning-ending strikeout, even when the umpire called strike three a ball. Wasn't as clutch as I built him up to be in my mind, but two blah starts that effectively kicked away the division and guaranteed playoff elimination do not a solid season unmake, or words to that effect.

Edgy MD Dec 12 2022 03:01 PM Re: Memories of Chris Bassitt

The Chris Bassitt who publicly owned the responsibility to get on the same page with his catcher was a stand-up guy. I remember that well. He also improved immediately after that. The Chris Bassitt who publicly declared his intention to lie if ever tests positive for COVID, because his next start is more important than the health of his teammates and their families, was something else. I will remember that guy well also.

Marshmallowmilkshake Dec 12 2022 03:26 PM Re: Memories of Chris Bassitt

He was on the hill when I made my pilgrimage to Citi Firld this year. Marlins win that night, but it was great to be at Citi and see him. I wish him well in Toronto.

A Boy Named Seo Dec 12 2022 03:28 PM Re: Memories of Chris Bassitt

Memories of Chris Bassitt quickly turned into a roasting of Chris Bassitt and I'm here for it. He was also a red-ass about the quality (or lack thereof) of the baseballs provided by MLB because, duh, he's a captain red ass.

TransMonk Dec 12 2022 03:43 PM Re: Memories of Chris Bassitt

I got the impression all year that his personality didn't really jibe with being in NYC. On the mound, he was mostly good. But his bad stints were slogs.

batmagadanleadoff Dec 12 2022 03:51 PM Re: Memories of Chris Bassitt

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Fman99 Dec 12 2022 08:01 PM Re: Memories of Chris Bassitt

Was great until he sucked big fat dongus against ATL in September and San Diego in October. So, you know, thanks and stuff, but also, not sad at all that he's pitching elsewhere in 2023.

Edgy MD Dec 12 2022 10:15 PM Re: Memories of Chris Bassitt

I would guess that only Mike Hampton ranks ahead of him among one-year Mets starting pitchers.

Gwreck Dec 13 2022 06:36 AM Re: Memories of Chris Bassitt

Kevin Appier's 2001 might also have been stronger (albeit for a weaker team overall).

roger_that Dec 13 2022 07:15 AM Re: Memories of Chris Bassitt

Are we moving (we = baseball, not Mets or CPF) in the direction of teams having higher turnover of starting pitchers, so that every team will experience 70 or 80% turnover every year or two? When we will be literally able to ID team/years by who the starting pitchers were? In other words, am I overreacting to the Mets' sudden high turnover rate? Am I glorifying the stability of my youth, when the Mets' starters of Craig/Jackson/Willey/Fisher/Cisco seemed to last forever, but in reality had the same turnover rate of later Mets/ teams? Is this reality or just a fantasy?

Marshmallowmilkshake Dec 13 2022 07:41 AM Re: Memories of Chris Bassitt

=roger_that post_id=114676 time=1670940931 user_id=128] Are we moving (we = baseball, not Mets or CPF) in the direction of teams having higher turnover of starting pitchers, so that every team will experience 70 or 80% turnover every year or two? When we will be literally able to ID team/years by who the starting pitchers were? In other words, am I overreacting to the Mets' sudden high turnover rate? Am I glorifying the stability of my youth, when the Mets' starters of Craig/Jackson/Willey/Fisher/Cisco seemed to last forever, but in reality had the same turnover rate of later Mets/ teams? Is this reality or just a fantasy?

That's an interesting point. Giving the rising cost of starting pitchers, I wonder if teams - other than the Rangers - will look to sign them to shorter deals with higher annual values? That way, they don't get stuck in a long-term deal with an expensive player who can get injured or become ineffective? Those shorter deals would in theory lead to higher turnover.

Edgy MD Dec 13 2022 07:51 AM Re: Memories of Chris Bassitt

As long as there's the cost-control mechanisms that keep pitchers more affordable until they get their six years in, teams will have a motivation to keep younger pitchers around for six years. But now the Mets have, perhaps, less motivation than other teams, and if they can assemble six starters they think are better than Megill and Peterson, they will, cost be damned.

roger_that Dec 13 2022 07:58 AM Re: Memories of Chris Bassitt

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. if teams, not just the Mets, opt to offer shorter, more lucrative contracts, they're going to have to have a system of one-, two-, and three-year deals rotating so they don't need to fill five SP spots per year, just two or three. I think the deGrom-style contract is going to fade out, especially if Jake pulls up short in Year One or Year two of this deal. This is all fueled by logic, and the penalty of a luxury tax--you really can't afford to be burdened by multiple megamillion-dollar deals for players who are no longer producing, or even active. If Texas winds up shelling out 100+ million in 2028 for players no longer on their active roster, it will be a huge hit for them.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 13 2022 08:00 AM Re: Memories of Chris Bassitt

Edgy MD wrote: I would guess that only Mike Hampton ranks ahead of him among one-year Mets starting pitchers. One-year Mets with 25 or more starts: Mickey Lolich 1976 30 starts, 8-13 192.2 innings, 3.22 Mark Bomback 1980 25 starts, 10-8 162.2 innings, 4.09 Frank Tanana 1993 29 starts, 7-15 183 innings, 4.48 Paul Wilson 1996 26 starts, 5-12 149 innings, 5.38 Orel Hershiser 1999 32 starts, 13-12 179 innings, 4.58 Mike Hampton 2000 33 starts, 15-10 217.2 innings, 3.14 Kevin Appier 2001 33 starts, 11-10 206.2 innings, 3.57 Chris Capuano 2011 31 starts, 11-12 186 innings, 4.55 Chris Bassitt 2022 30 starts, 15-9 181.2 innings, 3.42

Edgy MD Dec 13 2022 08:32 AM Re: Memories of Chris Bassitt

Lolich and Ray Burris were the other ones who popped into my head. Burris, it turns out, had appeared in four games the previous season, and Lolich's ERA, while notably low from the perspective of 2022, looks less impressive in the context of the run-scoring environment of the time.

MFS62 Dec 13 2022 08:35 AM Re: Memories of Chris Bassitt

When I think of Mark Bomback I remember his nickname was "Boom Boom". But his record wasn't that bad. He gave up 17 homers in those 162.2 IP. And his ERA was right in the middle of the ERAs mentioned above. Sorry, Mark. We've been treating you unfairly. Later

Edgy MD Dec 13 2022 08:40 AM Re: Memories of Chris Bassitt

I don't think his nickname had a derisive origin, but was just a play on his name. It may have been given a negative connotation retroactively.

bmfc1 Dec 13 2022 11:28 AM Re: Memories of Chris Bassitt

Was great until he sucked big fat dongus against ATL in September and San Diego in October. So, you know, thanks and stuff, but also, not sad at all that he's pitching elsewhere in 2023. In comedy, if you have a bad set you "ate a dick on stage". Bassitt ate a big dick in the two biggest games of the season. He also let his former manager psych him out in G3 by having his players step out of the box to throw off his timing. Given how long he takes to throw a pitch, let's see how he does with the pitch clock. "Good luck against the MFYs and go F yourself."

Benjamin Grimm Dec 13 2022 11:54 AM Re: Memories of Chris Bassitt

http://ultimatemets.com/cards/ChrisBassitt1973.jpg> http://www.ultimatemets.com/cards/ChrisBassitt1976.jpg> Schaefer Mets Pitcher of the Month, September 2022. Schaefer Mets Pitcher of the Year, 2022.

Lefty Specialist Dec 13 2022 05:33 PM Re: Memories of Chris Bassitt

I think the pitch clock is going to affect him big-time. I'd be more broken up about him leaving if they hadn't already lined up replacements. His red-assness was annoying, as were those incessant SNY commercials where he swore he was going to Grind Us Down.

batmagadanleadoff Dec 13 2022 06:37 PM Re: Memories of Chris Bassitt

=roger_that post_id=114676 time=1670940931 user_id=128] Are we moving (we = baseball, not Mets or CPF) in the direction of teams having higher turnover of starting pitchers, so that every team will experience 70 or 80% turnover every year or two? When we will be literally able to ID team/years by who the starting pitchers were? In other words, am I overreacting to the Mets' sudden high turnover rate? Am I glorifying the stability of my youth, when the Mets' starters of Craig/Jackson/Willey/Fisher/Cisco seemed to last forever, but in reality had the same turnover rate of later Mets/ teams? Is this reality or just a fantasy?

=roger_that post_id=114680 time=1670943517 user_id=128]
Yeah, that's what I was thinking. if teams, not just the Mets, opt to offer shorter, more lucrative contracts, they're going to have to have a system of one-, two-, and three-year deals rotating so they don't need to fill five SP spots per year, just two or three.



I think the deGrom-style contract is going to fade out, especially if Jake pulls up short in Year One or Year two of this deal.



This is all fueled by logic, and the penalty of a luxury tax--you really can't afford to be burdened by multiple megamillion-dollar deals for players who are no longer producing, or even active. If Texas winds up shelling out 100+ million in 2028 for players no longer on their active roster, it will be a huge hit for them.






There's no trend in deGrom's new contract. deGrom is in a class by himself. He's sui generis. He debuted with little if any fanfare at the very old rookie age of 26 and wasn't on anybody's radar. He's one of a kind. There was no anticipatory drooling over deGrom, like there was for Tim Leary or Generation X (Wilson, Pulse and Izzy). He immediately established himself as an excellent pitcher right out of the box and in short time, was the ace of the Mets staff. He made all-star teams and then he rose to Cy Young caliber, winning the award in consecutive seasons and missing a third straight CYA by one bad start at the end of the 2020 season. About as good a three year run as there ever was in baseball history.



And then he blew the roof of off that, getting even better -- tremendously better-- pitching like the best pitcher that ever was, picking up velocity in his mid 30s, throwing 101 MPH fast balls into the late innings and fine-tuning the fastest recorded wipe-out slider in baseball history -- a devastating out pitch that's as much as 10 MPH faster than most other pitchers' sliders, faster than most fastballs and that looks just like a fastball until the very last second -- maintaining all time historic rates for K/9IP and WHIP. And if you can't hit him and can't even put the bat on the ball, he's gonna have a minuscule ERA, which he did. This latest historic stretch of pitching, though, marred by injuries that cost deGrom more than half of the last two seasons combined. And now he's in his mid 30s. So how much do you pay for that? I'm sure the comps are voluminous, the sample size so fucking enormous that we can now make sweeping statements about trends and standards all based on deGrom's new Ranger contract. The comps for deGrom's career trajectory are a dime a dozen. /rollseyes



Steve Cohen is also sui generis, in a class all by himself. He's one of the world's wealthiest men. He has more money than just about everybody else in the world and most of his money, he doesn't even need. Because how many times can a person go out for caviar dinner in the same day? Once, especially at Cohen's age! Whether you're a millionaire or a multi gazillionaire. Most of his money might as well be toy money. It just might be, just maybe, that he's not running the Mets the way an ordinary person would presumably run an ordinary business. Maybe, just maybe, he doesn't give a flying fuck about how much money he spends and loses on the Mets. Because $100 or $150M to Steve Cohen is like me buying myself a trendy pair of $250 sneakers. So the money the Mets are now spending isn't gonna affect the way the majority of other teams operate. Trends. Oh my! There's no trend here. Please stop comparing Steve Cohen to everybody else or anybody else. He's in his own category.



This is the strangest part of your posting:


=roger_that post_id=114676 time=1670940931 user_id=128]In other words, am I overreacting to the Mets' sudden high turnover rate? Am I glorifying the stability of my youth, when the Mets' starters of Craig/Jackson/Willey/Fisher/Cisco seemed to last forever, but in reality had the same turnover rate of later Mets/ teams? Is this reality or just a fantasy?


So the early Mets pitching staffs were more stable. Except that they weren't. Because before you even finish your paragraph, you concede that this so-called stability is a mirage. Those staffs only seemingly lasted forever. Not that this mirage would stop you from then advancing your ideas about rotation trends and spending patterns.



I don't see any substance here, no matter how you write it up.