Master Index of Archived Threads


Holy @#%$!

Centerfield Dec 21 2022 02:38 AM

Guys. We got Correa.

metirish Dec 21 2022 03:11 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

I'm just seeing this , wow , crazy , 12 years $315M Edit , I didn't know at first weather to believe this , anyway hears Heyan who seems first https://nypost.com/2022/12/21/carlos-correa-agrees-to-12-year-315-million-deal-with-mets/

Fman99 Dec 21 2022 03:53 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

MLB's official web site has this too. I'm completely at a loss for words.

metirish Dec 21 2022 03:58 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

I'll take my chances with this infield #LGM

Frayed Knot Dec 21 2022 04:53 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

So this is certainly an interesting turn of events ... and that's even before we get to the part about little things like where he might play on the field or about how we're all going to feel about this say towards the end of the decade. I think Steve is in the 'what the hell' mode of thinking anyway and maybe thinks that this move will pay for itself on boosted attendance alone once he heard about how many Correans live in the Flushing area.

Gwreck Dec 21 2022 05:14 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

“What the heck's the difference? If you're going to make the move, make the move.” -S. Cohen

Marshmallowmilkshake Dec 21 2022 05:22 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

I heard this on the radio while driving in to work and couldn't believe it! What was the medical issue that scared the Giants - and why doesn't it scare us?

nymr83 Dec 21 2022 05:27 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

Holy shit indeed.

G-Fafif Dec 21 2022 05:40 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

This is fucking crazy -- I mean perfectly normal for Steve Cohen's Mets.

smg58 Dec 21 2022 06:03 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

I'm trying to figure this out from the Giants end of things. They apparently saw something in the physical they didn't like, but the doctors didn't think it was a big deal. At that contract length (the Giants had given him 13 years), unless it's career-threatening, so what?

Johnny Lunchbucket Dec 21 2022 06:17 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

Is Correa, um... good?

metirish Dec 21 2022 06:19 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

Some bounce back from Heyman too

Benjamin Grimm Dec 21 2022 06:26 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

This really clogs up the infield for a long time, especially if Alonso and McNeil stick around. So what happens with Baty, Maurico, and Vientos?

DocTee Dec 21 2022 06:28 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

From a friend on social media: "leaving out 2020 because of the shortened season, the last four years he has averaged 21 HR, 70 RBI, .272 average with 69 runs scored, 24 doubles, 1 stolen base, .358 OBP, .835 OPS, 117 games Similar numbers to Escobar last year.

Gwreck Dec 21 2022 06:29 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

Tough for me to call the infield “clogged” when there are all-stars starting at each position. Seems fine to me that a Baty or Vientos (1) gets low-pressure time to develop in AAA or (2) gets some bench time and occasional starts if Buck rotates the DH spot around.

metsmarathon Dec 21 2022 06:37 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

i'm absolutely giddy about this move, but also worried more than i little that it looks a tad too much sterinbrennerish. we'll see. it's the first big steve signing that has me real trepidatious about the back end of it. i don't think it's necessarily a bad signing, but yikes. very curious about what the medical issue might be, to be honest. also real curious about what it means for the rest of the infield. bottom line for me though is.... can we please lock up pete long term now? baty/vientos is an interesting conundrum, too. yeah, maybe they get spun into pitching, or maybe they get converted into outfielders to push canha out the door? i guess we'll see.

RealityChuck Dec 21 2022 06:39 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

My reaction https://media.giphy.com/media/kGhtCoUWjiJVsLUrDD/giphy-downsized-large.gif>

kcmets Dec 21 2022 06:40 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

Hard to type with this jaw on my keyboard. I hadn't been on the computer yet and this blurb came across the New12 Westchester banner bottom and I almost dropped my cuppa. Thought the Giants had him all wrapped up with a bow and whatnot.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 21 2022 06:41 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

"Clogged" from the perspective of Baty, Vientos, and Mauricio, I meant. I hope at least some of them stick around. I'm glad the Mets are loading up, but it's not quite as much fun to root for a team of mercenaries. The 2015 team was especially appealing because so many players had never played for another team: Wright, deGrom, Syndergaard, Harvey, Matz, d'Arnaud, Duda, Murphy, Flores, Tejada, Conforto, Familia, Lagares.

whippoorwill Dec 21 2022 06:44 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

=DocTee post_id=115230 time=1671629281 user_id=85] From a friend on social media: "leaving out 2020 because of the shortened season, the last four years he has averaged 21 HR, 70 RBI, .272 average with 69 runs scored, 24 doubles, 1 stolen base, .358 OBP, .835 OPS, 117 games Similar numbers to Escobar last year.

Nice!

Lefty Specialist Dec 21 2022 06:50 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

I wake up this morning and see this, and I still can't believe it. 1) What was in that medical report that scared the Giants off, and, 2) well, holy shit!

Johnny Lunchbucket Dec 21 2022 07:02 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

Benjamin Grimm wrote: . I'm glad the Mets are loading up, but it's not quite as much fun to root for a team of mercenaries. The 2015 team was especially appealing because so many players had never played for another team: Wright, deGrom, Syndergaard, Harvey, Matz, d'Arnaud, Duda, Murphy, Flores, Tejada, Conforto, Familia, Lagares. That's where I am too. Also worried about the back half of Correa's contract and whatever injury the Giants saw that made him not worth their $$. They badly wanted to spend this offseason.

MFS62 Dec 21 2022 07:05 AM Re: Holy @#%$! Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Dec 21 2022 08:13 AM

The thread title says it all. Not a stretch to think this will make an all all-star infield. And Escobar slides nicely into the RH DH role. Now, about the catcher situation ... Oh, and Fmann picks up one BIG point in our FA contest. Later

bmfc1 Dec 21 2022 07:05 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

There was Liam Hendriks talk yesterday. Martino suggests Vientos, Escobar, McCann for Hendriks. Martino also says Baty could move to LF.

Lefty Specialist Dec 21 2022 07:14 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

Escobar could be your primary DH at this point. Baty plays left in AAA, Vientos who knows. One of the reasons for buying FA's is that you allow the farm to develop, but they've set up the left side of the infield for a decade at this point (barring injury). Wonder if there's an opt-out in this deal somewhere?

Marshmallowmilkshake Dec 21 2022 07:20 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

Benjamin Grimm wrote: but it's not quite as much fun to root for a team of mercenaries. I'm willing to give it a shot!

TransMonk Dec 21 2022 07:23 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

It's getting to the point where anything other than 110 wins and a championship could be viewed as a huge failure.

metirish Dec 21 2022 07:27 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

Mets at Giants April 23rd Sunday Night Baseball reports Buster Olny

86dreamer Dec 21 2022 07:32 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

=DocTee post_id=115230 time=1671629281 user_id=85] From a friend on social media: "leaving out 2020 because of the shortened season, the last four years he has averaged 21 HR, 70 RBI, .272 average with 69 runs scored, 24 doubles, 1 stolen base, .358 OBP, .835 OPS, 117 games Similar numbers to Escobar last year.

Injury risk is real, but not similar at all to Escobar as a player. Look at on base, slugging, defensive value, and age. Over next 5 years, this comparison wont be close, unless you choose only to look at HR & RBI. Beyond that, he may look a lot like current Escobar. 12 years is nuts, but as hard as it is to believe, our owner can afford it. Correa is big enough to think that he could develop into more of a power hitter as he ages, but like any contract of this length, the end will not be pretty.

Edgy MD Dec 21 2022 07:40 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Benjamin Grimm wrote: . I'm glad the Mets are loading up, but it's not quite as much fun to root for a team of mercenaries. The 2015 team was especially appealing because so many players had never played for another team: Wright, deGrom, Syndergaard, Harvey, Matz, d'Arnaud, Duda, Murphy, Flores, Tejada, Conforto, Familia, Lagares. That's where I am too. Also worried about the back half of Correa's contract and whatever injury the Giants saw that made him not worth their $$. They badly wanted to spend this offseason. I'm guessing there was no 11th-hour medical issue with the Giants at all, just an 11th-hour Metsical issue.

ashie62 Dec 21 2022 07:42 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

Yeah! So the physical was fake news

Benjamin Grimm Dec 21 2022 07:51 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

Correa wore number 1 during his years with the Astros, and number 4 last year with the Twins.

TransMonk Dec 21 2022 07:52 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/SNY_Mets/status/1605561418899660800[/TWEET] SNY photoshopped him into #4.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 21 2022 07:52 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

Why did he only sign a one-year deal with the Twins? I don't remember what that was about.

Edgy MD Dec 21 2022 08:35 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

I was explaining this deal to my wife, how the Mets just dropped a ton of money on a shortstop when they don't need a shortstop. 　　Ms. Edgy: Maybe the idea is to teach him first base. 　　Edgy: First base? 　　Ms. Edgy: It's not that hard. Tell him, Wash. [Switches to Ron Washington voice.] It's incredibly difficult.

vtmet7 Dec 21 2022 08:35 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Why did he only sign a one-year deal with the Twins? I don't remember what that was about. it wasn't a 1 year, it had an opt-out since he didn't get the huge deal last year that he wanted...then he opted out

vtmet7 Dec 21 2022 08:37 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

Edgy MD wrote: I was explaining this deal to my wife, how the Mets just dropped a ton of money on a shortstop when they don't need a shortstop. 　　Wifey: Maybe the idea is to teach him first base. 　　Edgy: First base? 　　Wifey: It's not that hard. Tell him, Wash. [Switches to Ron Washington voice.] It's incredibly difficult. I'm not 100% convinced that either he or Lindor may eventually move to 2B...3B is a tough position, whereas 2B is a more natural transition for a shortstop...

kcmets Dec 21 2022 08:44 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

They showed a few highlights of him at 3B, SS and 2B before on MLB. Looks like he could play anywhere, even standing on his head spitting nickels.

MFS62 Dec 21 2022 08:44 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

Edgy MD wrote: 　　Ms. Edgy: It's not that hard. Tell him, Wash. [Switches to Ron Washington voice.] It's incredibly difficult. A wifey who not only remembers Ron Washington but can also do his voice? Very impressive. A keeper. Later

A Boy Named Seo Dec 21 2022 08:50 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

I love Correa, this is wild. I would bet there are opt-outs, too, but he'll probably just Manny Machado this one and be content to play third base. Yeah, give Baty an outfield mitt or look again at that Alek Thomas trade. Try to find new homes for McCann and maybe Escobar. Sign Liam Hendricks. I'm sure Cohen has some unicorn blood laying around the house. Give it to Willie Mays and he can spell Nimmo in center.

kcmets Dec 21 2022 09:39 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

Sour grapes is gonna sour... Text from nephew in-law-in No Cali, "I hate you."

A Boy Named Seo Dec 21 2022 09:44 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

Sour grapes is gonna sour... Text from nephew in-law-in No Cali, "I hate you." Sour grapes in Nor Cal can make a perfectly mediocre Giants-inspired wine #sickburn

metirish Dec 21 2022 10:50 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

Can someone please post David Axelrod's tweet ?

smg58 Dec 21 2022 10:51 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

Well if they don't like getting regularly outmaneuvered by teams in New York, they could have just stayed in New York.

batmagadanleadoff Dec 21 2022 10:51 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

Benjamin Grimm wrote: "Clogged" from the perspective of Baty, Vientos, and Mauricio, I meant. Those guys are dead Mets walking. The Angels are gonna want top tier prospects when they hafta trade Ohtani. And there aren't too many teams out there that are gonna be able to foot Ohtani's next AAV, which is gonna be in the 50 millions. Chris Young's vision. Oh my.

A Boy Named Seo Dec 21 2022 10:55 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

Can someone please post David Axelrod's tweet ? [TWEET]https://twitter.com/davidaxelrod/status/1605595442091212800[/TWEET] David wants more pluck.

metirish Dec 21 2022 10:57 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

Thank you , could you please explain how you did that? there is a thread in non baseball :)

A Boy Named Seo Dec 21 2022 10:59 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

=metirish post_id=115275 time=1671645448 user_id=72] Thank you , could you please explain how you did that? there is a thread in non baseball :)

heh, sure thing.

batmagadanleadoff Dec 21 2022 10:59 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

Plus you figger, Alonso and McNeil are gonna be getting big deals down the line. The Mets payroll's going way way up even from these current levels.

batmagadanleadoff Dec 21 2022 11:02 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

Wanna know what the real Steve Cohen tax is? Almost half the teams making the playoffs. Because the Mets won't be winning the WS left and right no matter how much money they spend. No team will under this setup.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 21 2022 11:04 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

True. As evidenced by the Phillies lasting longer this year than the Dodgers, Mets, and Braves.

Edgy MD Dec 21 2022 11:13 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

McNeil may have a big payday coming up, but I'm not sure it'll be with the Mets.

batmagadanleadoff Dec 21 2022 11:21 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

Edgy MD wrote: McNeil may have a big payday coming up, but I'm not sure it'll be with the Mets. Me neither. But he's been way less grumpy under Cohen than under the Wilpons.

metirish Dec 21 2022 11:35 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/1605623488269754368[/TWEET]

MFS62 Dec 21 2022 11:38 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

Dear Mr. Axelrod; boo hoo! Strongly worded letter to follow. Later

bmfc1 Dec 21 2022 11:45 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

If Axelrod wants everyone to root against the Mets because Steve isn't pure of heart or deed he ignores the fact that none of the owners got to be where they are by being a virgin. Steve is doing what every fan wants his owner to do. The difference is that Steve doesn't need the money and the Mets aren't his sole source of income.

MFS62 Dec 21 2022 11:56 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

Edgy MD wrote: McNeil may have a big payday coming up, but I'm not sure it'll be with the Mets. Me neither. But he's been way less grumpy under Cohen than under the Wilpons. And Steve can afford enough acorns to keep the squirrel happy. Later

Edgy MD Dec 21 2022 12:21 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

It's clear that Mr. Cohen is filthy rich and willing to spend aggressively. I mean to say that McNeil has had his position on the team encroached upon several times over now by big-ticket acquisitions. I'm sure he could afford to keep Jacob deGrom in a healthy lifestyle for many years, but here we are. The finite number of opportunities creates limits that the wallet does not.

Fman99 Dec 21 2022 12:22 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

Mr. Axelrod can help himself to a garbage bag full of dicks.

batmagadanleadoff Dec 21 2022 12:25 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

Andy McCullough writing for The Athletic: Steve Cohen spends money with a casualness, almost a flippancy that underscores his understanding of his own wealth. [***] Cohen has operated with ruthless directness this winter.... When there was an opening with Correa, Cohen did not hesitate. And why wouldn't he? Do you know how many millions are in a billion?

batmagadanleadoff Dec 21 2022 12:26 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

Edgy MD wrote: I mean to say that McNeil has had his position on the team encroached upon several times over now by big-ticket acquisitions. McNeil himself will be a big-ticket acqusition. He's a star -- a two-time all-star and a batting champ with 20+ HR power. He won the batting title, as if that's not impressive enough, playing half his games in a pitcher's park, in the era of baseball in Denver.

Frayed Knot Dec 21 2022 12:31 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

btw, the C. C. deal is going to be a boon to the 'Wifey Watch' thread.

stevejrogers Dec 21 2022 12:39 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

Benjamin Grimm wrote: True. As evidenced by the Phillies lasting longer this year than the Dodgers, Mets, and Braves. More importantly though is this fun fact 12 franchises have made 5 or more postseason appearance streaks. 14 1991-2005 Braves, 1 World Championship 5 years into the streak 13 1995-2007 MFYs, 4 World Championships, all within the first 6 years 10 2013- Dodgers, 8 years in and it took a pandemic shortened season to win their lone title 6 2017- MFYs, no titles 6 2017- Astros, 2 titles that sandwich the 6 seasons 5 1949-1953 MFYs 5 and fucking 0 5 1960-1964 MFYs 2 championships, both on the early side of that streak 5 1971-1975 Athletics, Three-peat in the middle 5 1995-1999 Guardians 0 titles as the franchise still waits for their first since 1948 5 2007-2011…SHOULD HAVE BEEN US, but only one title in the 2nd season of the run 5 2011-2015 Cardinals Title that first year, then just one NL pennant to show 5 2018- Braves, so far just the 2021 title to show for half a decade in the postseason. Certainly plenty of league pennants and LCS appearances in each run, but even more so now just getting into the postseason is no guarantee of a championship parade at the end.

Edgy MD Dec 21 2022 12:46 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

Edgy MD wrote: I mean to say that McNeil has had his position on the team encroached upon several times over now by big-ticket acquisitions. McNeil himself will be a big-ticket acqusition. He's a star -- a two-time all-star and a batting champ with 20+ HR power. He won the batting title, as if that's not impressive enough, playing half his games in a pitcher's park, in the era of baseball in Denver. Of course he will be. So was Jacob deGrom. And yet. They've now come at McNeil several times with excess veteran middle infielders who have pushed him around the diamond to find playing time. Robinson Canó, Javier Báez, and now Carlos Correa. That's a similar message from three different GMs, so I don't know.

Centerfield Dec 21 2022 12:53 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

This medical condition is so bizarre. There are bits of information floating around, but I have yet to see anything definitive. None of this makes sense to me. *The consensus seems to be that he "passed" his physical, but that the Giants took issue with something minor. *Speculation is that the minor injury was a broken ankle from Correa's pre-MLB days *Why schedule a press conference if you aren't happy with the medicals? I feel like you clear that hurdle before making arrangements with the press *If it's true that the Giants wanted to renegotiate the deal, the injury must have been minor enough that they weren't yet ready to walk away *The only real thing that makes sense is that the Giants got cold feet. And if that's the case, it's hard to understand how they will have any credibility in the marketplace again. Or with their fans.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 21 2022 12:55 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

Well, Correa isn't displacing McNeil, he's displacing Escobar. And McNeil is more established as a star now than he was when Javy Baez came to town. Only time will tell whether or not any of this means anything, but I would like to see Alonso and McNeil stay around well past their eligibility for free agency. As Nimmo has.

Edgy MD Dec 21 2022 01:32 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

Certainly agreed on that.

metirish Dec 21 2022 01:51 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/WFAN660/status/1605624231366381568[/TWEET] Cry more

kcmets Dec 21 2022 02:00 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I would like to see Alonso and McNeil stay around well past their eligibility for free agency. As Nimmo has. Put me down seconding with a giant yay. A big purple yay. [BIGPURPLE]Yay!![/BIGPURPLE]

Marshmallowmilkshake Dec 21 2022 02:07 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/WFAN660/status/1605624231366381568[/TWEET] Cry more The owner of the New York Yankees complaining about another team spending money is funny. Considering he has spent in the neighborhood of $1 billion on Cole, Judge and Rodon in the last couple seasons and his ballpark is called a "mallpark" for sticking it to the fans. More effective would be to ask the teams who think they have no chance -- or refuse to invest in their product -- why that is the case. Does the luxury tax Cohen will pay get distributed to the teams that don't spend?

Johnny Lunchbucket Dec 21 2022 02:07 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

I kinda agree wth Hal.It's not the Mets & Yankees fault that the Reds and Pirates don't do anything but it sucks for their fans to be so hopeless and it's no good for the game that we gotta play 'em.

kcmets Dec 21 2022 02:15 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

I may agree somewhat with all this and that but today, tomorrow and all off 2023 I'm gonna sit here and look at all the nice shiny toys under the tree.

Edgy MD Dec 21 2022 02:43 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

Please invite Hal to get behind my campaign to end the anti-trust exemption. Beyond that, I'm not sure what there is to "look at."

A Boy Named Seo Dec 21 2022 02:47 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

I didn't read the piece linked in the tweet, but I disagree with the quote. Fans of the Royals, Pirates, Marlins and a few other teams feel they have no chance of making the playoffs pretty much always, but with 12 teams now getting in, most fans probably don't feel that way. The playoffs are realistic for most teams (even smart teams that don't spend shit), and as it's been said here a bunch of times, all of Steve's rich doubloons don't guarantee a WS ring because of the randomness of a tournament full of short series. But if your fav team is built in such a way that on Opening Day it has no shot for even the 11th or 12th playoff spot, well that's not really Cohen's fault, whatever you think of him.

metirish Dec 21 2022 04:22 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

Most of these owners are billionaires , they just don't have Cohen billions , bit many of the bottom feeders could spend more, they choose not to

Edgy MD Dec 21 2022 04:34 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

Well, in most regards, it's both more and less than a simple matter of free choice. The stakes are very different in Pittsburgh and Cincinnati.

A Boy Named Seo Dec 21 2022 05:49 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

Edgy MD wrote: Well, in most regards, it's both more and less than a simple matter of free choice. The stakes are very different in Pittsburgh and Cincinnati. I admittedly know little about this stuff, but San Diego seems to be doing a lot to squash the market size narrative. I know they have an ocean and palm trees and all that, but they're right in the same mix with Baltimore, Cincy, Pittsburgh, Kansas City when it comes to market size. I don't even know how much SD's owner is worth (his firm is apparently worth $3B anyway), but he's not on any of the same richest guy lists as Cohen, that I know of. And some of the owners who aren't spending (especially the Guardians, whoa) seem to have quite a bit more in the bank than SD's guy. So step up Dolan. You, too, Angelos and Reinsdorf.

cal sharpie Dec 21 2022 07:04 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

6 teams per league make the playoffs. In the NL last year it was Mets, Braves, Phillies, Cardinals, Dodgers and Padres. Given this offseason it sure feels like those same 6 teams will be there next year. Hard to make a reasonable case for other teams to be there. The Brewers haven't improved nor the Giants. Maybe the Cubs a bit although they lost Contreras. The rest look like they have no shot at all.

batmagadanleadoff Dec 21 2022 07:21 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

If baseball had a hard salary cap of, say, two million dollars a year, there'd still be teams with no shot at the title. Was there ever a season where every team in every league in every sport had a shot? What's fair about anything? So all of a sudden we're now gonna start drawing a line with baseball because now the Mets are owned by a superduper rich fuck who's so rich, he makes other rich people look like paupers? If you want fairness, the first thing I'd do is confiscate all of Ivanka and Jared's money and then make them wash toilets in Times Square with their fucking tongues on National TV. This is long term capitalism. In the end, the top zillionth of one percent get to own everything.

A Boy Named Seo Dec 21 2022 07:38 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

cal sharpie wrote: 6 teams per league make the playoffs. In the NL last year it was Mets, Braves, Phillies, Cardinals, Dodgers and Padres. Given this offseason it sure feels like those same 6 teams will be there next year. Hard to make a reasonable case for other teams to be there. The Brewers haven't improved nor the Giants. Maybe the Cubs a bit although they lost Contreras. The rest look like they have no shot at all. I think those six teams have a great chance of being there again because they're great teams. There are a lot of super rich owners below them in the standings who are at those places in the standings because they've been in charge of hiring people to assemble teams that are not as good. That will happen in sports regardless of money. The American League is more muddled. The O's finished three games out of the wildcard. How much would it cost for them to add three wins? The White Sox were five games out. The Red Sox and Twins eight. Would keeping Correa's 4.4 fWAR and adding Carlos Rodon's 6.2 make the under .500 Twins a playoff team? Beats me, but if I were Twins fan, I wish ownership would make a run so I could find out.

Edgy MD Dec 21 2022 08:07 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

A Boy Named Seo wrote: Edgy MD wrote: Well, in most regards, it's both more and less than a simple matter of free choice. The stakes are very different in Pittsburgh and Cincinnati. I admittedly know little about this stuff, but San Diego seems to be doing a lot to squash the market size narrative. My narrative is less about market size and more about the allowing the free market to operate. The system as it is set up now has few consequences for failure and a lot of consequences for chasing Cohen around. Along with the increasingly liberal playoff field, the whole deal is set up to incentivize mediocrity and restrict baseball's growth.

A Boy Named Seo Dec 21 2022 08:16 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

Edgy MD wrote: A Boy Named Seo wrote: Edgy MD wrote: Well, in most regards, it's both more and less than a simple matter of free choice. The stakes are very different in Pittsburgh and Cincinnati. I admittedly know little about this stuff, but San Diego seems to be doing a lot to squash the market size narrative. My narrative is less about market size and more about the allowing the free market to operate. The system as it is set up now has few consequences for failure and a lot of consequences for chasing Cohen around. Along with the increasingly liberal playoff field, the whole deal is set up to incentivize mediocrity and restrict baseball's growth. I agree with all of that.

Centerfield Dec 21 2022 09:14 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

Kinda wishing I came up with a better thread title than I did. Certainly doesn't hold up to the standard around here. But I also kinda like that I came immediately to CPF and posted my immediate reaction.

Edgy MD Dec 21 2022 09:41 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=115330 time=1671675706 user_id=68]So all of a sudden we're now gonna start drawing a line with baseball because now the Mets are owned by a superduper rich fuck who's so rich, he makes other rich people look like paupers?

Is somebody drawing a line?

Edgy MD Dec 21 2022 09:43 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

Kinda wishing I came up with a better thread title than I did. Certainly doesn't hold up to the standard around here. But I also kinda like that I came immediately to CPF and posted my immediate reaction. Yeah, you did good. Centerfield to Self: "I could do a Correa/Korea pun, but fuck that noise. I'm thinking Holy @#%$! and I'm going with Holy @#%$!"

Frayed Knot Dec 22 2022 05:09 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

=Centerfield post_id=115340 time=1671682487 user_id=65] Kinda wishing I came up with a better thread title than I did. Certainly doesn't hold up to the standard around here. But I also kinda like that I came immediately to CPF and posted my immediate reaction.

Fuck all that. This is up there for thread title of the year.

I had just heard the news on radio before coming here for the reaction all while fearing that the news was going to

be tacked on to some already-existing semi-related all-purpose thread. Instead, it not only got its very own thread

but also one that summed up the mood perfectly.

Frayed Knot Dec 22 2022 05:26 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

On the whole parity/spending issue: I bring this up from time to time, mainly after I hear someone in sports media talk about how the NFL's hard salary cap has made that league the paragon of parity and equality while disparaging MLB as exactly the opposite. Except that over the last 20 years the results of MLB & NFL seasons are almost identical in terms of the number of different champions, the number of different contenders for championships, and also the number of teams on the outside looking in. Number of different World Series/Super Bowl winning franchises over previous 20 seasons: MLB 14, NFL 13 Number of franchises with at least a WS/SB appearance: MLB 20, NFL 20 # of franchises failing to make the 'final four' (Lg/Conf championship game): MLB 5, NFL 6 And this is not just some snapshot in time that happens to be more or less equal right now. I've been tracking this for years now and this is actually as close as it's been. The matchup usually tilts more in MLB's favor and this is before even factoring in the more liberal playoff system in football (for much of that 20 years there were 1.5x more playoff teams).

Benjamin Grimm Dec 22 2022 07:09 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

If we want to translate his name to English, it would be "Charlie Strap".

Benjamin Grimm Dec 22 2022 07:15 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

https://resizing.flixster.com/bDrXzLWhdhgqgONEffgnu3-Q3DI=/300x300/v2/https://flxt.tmsimg.com/assets/p16255_k_h10_aa.jpg> There's actually a cartoon character named "Charlie Strapp". He's the one on the left, with his friend, "Froggy Ball". Maybe the Mets can get a player named "Bola de Rana" to complete the set. (EDIT: I'm not used to seeing cartoon characters with five fingers!)

G-Fafif Dec 22 2022 09:35 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

Consensus is forming around an ankle injury from 2014, which Correa sustained in the minors, as the Giants' alibi for backing out.

batmagadanleadoff Dec 22 2022 09:42 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

Edgy MD wrote: Please invite Hal to get behind my campaign to end the anti-trust exemption. Beyond that, I'm not sure what there is to "look at." I share most, if not all of your views on free markets and MLB. But not relegation, but that's neither here nor there. Still, if MLB was as free as you wish it to be, and its Anti-trust exemption was stripped away, even then, nobody would catch Steve Cohen and he'd still be the unicorn that he presently is and most teams still wouldnt be able to operate like he does. He has multiples more money than the other owners have and he seems to be running the Mets as if it were merely a game of Monopoly with the money being treated as if it were toy or make believe money.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 22 2022 09:48 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

It will be interesting, if it ever comes out during our lifetimes, to learn the inside story of why 26 other owners decided to vote to approve his ownership. He's going to help drive an increase in salaries across the game and even though his money can't guarantee World Championships, if the Mets are dominant every year, that's one fewer playoff spot available to each of the other National League teams.

whippoorwill Dec 22 2022 09:48 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

Benjamin Grimm wrote: https://resizing.flixster.com/bDrXzLWhdhgqgONEffgnu3-Q3DI=/300x300/v2/https://flxt.tmsimg.com/assets/p16255_k_h10_aa.jpg> There's actually a cartoon character named "Charlie Strapp". He's the one on the left, with his friend, "Froggy Ball". Maybe the Mets can get a player named "Bola de Rana" to complete the set. (EDIT: I'm not used to seeing cartoon characters with five fingers!) Especially…grasshoppers?

metsmarathon Dec 22 2022 09:50 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

Benjamin Grimm wrote: It will be interesting, if it ever comes out during our lifetimes, to learn the inside story of why 26 other owners decided to vote to approve his ownership. He's going to help drive an increase in salaries across the game and even though his money can't guarantee World Championships, if the Mets are dominant every year, that's one fewer playoff spot available to each of the other National League teams. it would be pretty fucked up to come out and say "you're too rich to own one of our teams" when every single one of them would hope to be able to sell their team to someone so rich and willing to pay for it.

metirish Dec 23 2022 08:44 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1606303328689799168[/TWEET]] Some top banter in this tweet

Edgy MD Dec 23 2022 09:18 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

Well, if you mentally link all of that to the signing, that takes the Mets 0.29% of the way down the road toward an even return!

Frayed Knot Dec 23 2022 09:59 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

Also, that statement, devoid of context, tells us nothing.

Edgy MD Dec 23 2022 12:19 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

Indeed, I meant to imply that.

A Boy Named Seo Dec 24 2022 09:53 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

Hold the phone yall The New York Mets, like the San Francisco Giants earlier in the week, have raised concerns about Carlos Correa's surgically repaired lower right leg, potentially jeopardizing their 12-year, $315 million agreement with the star shortstop, according to people briefed on the matter who were not authorized to speak publicly. https://theathletic.com/4033222/2022/12/24/mets-correa-physical-concerns/?source=user_shared_article

kcmets Dec 24 2022 09:55 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

Eeeeek, Christmas cancelled!

metirish Dec 24 2022 10:16 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

The thread title remains perfect

batmagadanleadoff Dec 24 2022 11:04 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

Next year's free agents include, at third base, possibly Manny Machado, who can opt-out. Aaron Nola is a big time pitcher in the class, as is Yu Darvish. Shonei Ohtani will head the class. I say Steve should sign all four of them.

metsmarathon Dec 24 2022 11:15 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

yeah... yikes. i mean, it makes things look better for the giants, that's for dang sure. if the past leg injury is really, truly a concern, here's a thought. keep the overall parameters of the deal the same, but with a fair bit of guarantee, but also a lot of reasonably achievable vesting options. my first idea is a framework, that i haven't put nearly enough thought into the underlying math of... six years guaranteed, and automatically vesting options whereby if he averages 100 games over the prior three seasons he locks in for the next year, and so on. if he's healthy for the duration of the deal, he gets paid in full. alternatively, and maybe a better idea for the player... stick with the same 12-year contract, where the first six years are full rate, and the last six are reduced rate, with achievable massive bonuses for playing time. similar situation, he gets paid a ton either way, and if he's reasonably healthy he gets paid in full. but if not, the mets would have some measure of risk mitigation in case the leg really is a big deal.

bmfc1 Dec 24 2022 11:37 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

They'll shorten the term and the dollars and all will be fine. The Mets will have done what the Giants didn't which is to renegotiate the deal to make sure that they have a great player on the team.

Frayed Knot Dec 24 2022 12:01 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

Players (and agents even more so) don't like to agree to what/if? kind of contracts because if they age faster than expected they feel the club will try to use any excuse to mix the remaining deal and blame the injury for the result even if unrelated to the decline. Plus, there will never be a better time than age 29 to get a multi-year deal. Boras and Correa (Borrea?) are denying that there even is an injury concern so they're not going to be anxious to agree to a deal with non- guaranteed money on account of it. But, so far at least, two out of two clubs seem to think that there is a concern.

kcmets Dec 24 2022 12:07 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

Right; it's like that Potroast song, "Two Out of Two Ain't Good." (with apologies to the late Mr. Steinman)

MFS62 Dec 24 2022 12:30 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

Frayed Knot wrote: Boras and Correa (Borrea?) are denying that there even is an injury concern so they're not going to be anxious to agree to a deal with non-guaranteed money on account of it. But, so far at least, two out of two clubs seem to think that there is a concern. The contract has been signed and I would be greatly surprised if Boras would renegotiate/modify it. It is now between the Mets and their insurance company. Later

ashie62 Dec 24 2022 12:34 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

Is it signed? Someone may get fired over this

Frayed Knot Dec 24 2022 12:37 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

No, the deal is agreed to but is only complete conditional of a physical exam so that's where it sits now. His deal with SFG as in the same state and, when they wanted time to think about it, Boras peddled his client elsewhere. Same thing could happen here.

ashie62 Dec 24 2022 12:41 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

So it could stick or not stick Correa had multiple Injured list stays in 2019 bue to back issues. Did not see any verbage of how severe these stints we're aside from "lower back soreness"

batmagadanleadoff Dec 24 2022 12:50 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

I wonder what Kumar Rocker's doing?

MFS62 Dec 24 2022 12:51 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

So it could stick or not stick Correa had multiple Injured list stays in 2019 bue to back issues. Did not see any verbage of how severe these stints we're aside from "lower back soreness" But none of his recent stints on the IL were even remotely related to the leg injury they're concerned about. And that is what Boras will remind them of to finalize the deal. Later

Frayed Knot Dec 24 2022 01:00 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

Yes, there have been no IL stints caused by the leg since he broke it in the minor leagues. But that doesn't mean it can't cause future issues as he ages and that's apparently what has caused both the Giants and now the Mets to think hard as to whether a decade-plus year commitment is a good idea. They may decide it is, they may want to renegotiate, they may back out altogether, or another team may jump in while they're thinking about it as has already happened once already. So stayed tuned for upcoming episodes of the Carlos Correa saga.

Edgy MD Dec 24 2022 01:25 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=115512 time=1671911410 user_id=68] I wonder what Kumar Rocker's doing?

Rocker mowed them down in the Frontier League league (about the level of A ball) before getting taken #3 overall by the Texas Rangers. Though he was signed in late June, he didn't see professional action for the Rangers over the summer, debuting in the the Arizona League where he held his own against experienced opposition, but his previously excellent control was suddenly not working for him.



But you can't draw much of a conclusion from a 12-inning stint.

batmagadanleadoff Dec 24 2022 01:41 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

Rangers, huh? How about that Chris Young vision?

ashie62 Dec 24 2022 02:13 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

Frayed Knot wrote: Yes, there have been no IL stints caused by the leg since he broke it in the minor leagues. But that doesn't mean it can't cause future issues as he ages and that's apparently what has caused both the Giants and now the Mets to think hard as to whether a decade-plus year commitment is a good idea. They may decide it is, they may want to renegotiate, they may back out altogether, or another team may jump in while they're thinking about it as has already happened once already. So stayed tuned for upcoming episodes of the Carlos Correa saga. Sums it up nicely Lotsa lawyer and Dr stuff

whippoorwill Dec 24 2022 02:47 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

Jumping Jesus. Just don't sign him to so many years. How hard is that to figure out?

metirish Dec 24 2022 03:25 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

All the chatter so far is that both camps want to "work through this" and get it done , curious to see what it looks like if they get it done

Lefty Specialist Dec 24 2022 03:36 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

Jeez, I'd like to know exactly what the problem is so I can decide how to spend Uncle Steve's money. Of course, if this leads to a restructuring for a shorter term I'm OK with that. I'm not sure what my plans will be in 2034 anyway.

vtmet7 Dec 24 2022 04:23 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

Lefty Specialist wrote: Jeez, I'd like to know exactly what the problem is so I can decide how to spend Uncle Steve's money. Of course, if this leads to a restructuring for a shorter term I'm OK with that. I'm not sure what my plans will be in 2034 anyway. Maybe the x-rays show that they duck taped his fibula to his tibia and forgot to remove the duck tape

Frayed Knot Dec 24 2022 04:57 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

=whippoorwill post_id=115519 time=1671918434 user_id=79] Jumping Jesus. Just don't sign him to so many years. How hard is that to figure out?

That's OK, as long as you realize that taking that stance may cause him to sign elsewhere.

whippoorwill Dec 24 2022 05:01 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

Life will go on

Frayed Knot Dec 24 2022 06:19 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

Yes it will, and maybe not signing Correa will ultimately be the better move given the MONEYBALL adage about it being easier to recover from the player you fail to sign than it is to recover from the one you sign at the wrong price. Theoretically this will come down to two factors: the determination of the NYM GM/medical people and whether Borrea has another fish on the line (Boras will of course claim he does) to pivot to if and when the Mets start making noises about fewer years and/or less money. My fear is that Cohen may want the big splash/surprise heroics of all this too much and decide to go ahead with the deal even if the advice of his paid experts tells him otherwise. Even if his side winds up being right in the long run it still sets an uneasy precedent.

batmagadanleadoff Dec 24 2022 06:35 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

I could care less about how much Cohen spends and about precedents. If Cohen wants to for all I care, he could take the attitude of "Fuck draft picks and fuck my draft picks and take 'em all away from me if that's what you wanna do with me. I'll just go nuts on free agents every single season and if I hafta carry a $500M payroll, that's what I'll do because I can afford that in my sleep. So take away my draft picks, please. I have so much money, that I can outrun and outspend whatever penalty youse have in store for me." He'll be 70 soon enough. He's already lived most of his life and there's no guarantee that whatever life he has left will be productive, or even sentient. He can't take his money with him when he goes so he might as well enjoy it to the hilt. That's what I'd do. I'm not him, so I'm gonna do the next best thing and that's to enjoy this sudden Mets splurge on top tier free agent talent as if his money grows on trees, while this lasts. If I was Steve Cohen and I could've known ahead of time, the sore loser comments young Steinbrenner made right after the Mets signed Correa, I would've offered Aaron Judge twice the money the Yankees ended up paying Judge.

Edgy MD Dec 24 2022 07:33 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

"You're lucky to have him off your payroll, it opens all kinds of interesting possibilities." — Peter Brandt

Frayed Knot Dec 24 2022 07:34 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

I don't care what Cohen spends either. But if he starts making a habit of bad deals for the sheer splash of it then his is not going to be any more of a successful run than was the Wilpon's.

batmagadanleadoff Dec 24 2022 08:17 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

I'd bet anything that Cohen is going to shatter the Wilpons' record of, what was it, two first place finishes in 32 seasons? And by shatter, I mean in a good way. The Wilpons made plenty of bad deals by being frugal. In fact, there's a strong correlation there. You tend to get what you pay for. In just two full seasons, Cohen's Mets already have one division title. And a 101-win season, the second most one-season wins in franchise history.

Edgy MD Dec 24 2022 08:38 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

The good news is that there are plenty of places to bet.

batmagadanleadoff Dec 24 2022 08:42 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

Edgy MD wrote: The good news is that there are plenty of places to bet. I was mainly responding to this: Frayed Knot wrote: ...if [Cohen] starts making a habit of bad deals for the sheer splash of it then his is not going to be any more of a successful run than was the Wilpon's. Everybody makes bad deals. Even when they spend. The future is unknowable. Jason Bay was an unmitigated disaster and that might've been the most expensive Madoff-era deal the Wilpons made. Ditto David Wright's last contract. Cohen will be more successful than the Wilpons. I don't see how not, unless Cohen gets run over by a freight train in the near future. And even then, it will be because Cohen didn't have a chance, not because he was inept and a micromanaging meddler.

Edgy MD Dec 24 2022 09:59 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

None of those claims make this the right move if it's not. Of course the future is unknowable, which you state even as you make another statement about the future that, aside from being beside the point, you make with such certainty that you can't possibly see any other outcome.

batmagadanleadoff Dec 24 2022 10:12 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

Edgy MD wrote: None of those claims make this the right move if it's not. What's your point? That a Correa signing could turn out badly? I agree. Where did I say otherwise? I simply think that it's a lot easier to recover from your mistakes when you're one of the richest guys on the whole damn planet. I'm sure Jeff Bezos doesn't have to worry at all about buying a brand new top of the line automobile that turns out to be a lemon. Edgy MD wrote: Of course the future is unknowable, which you state even as you make another statement about the future that, aside from being beside the point, you make with such certainty that you can't possibly see any other outcome. Because I feel certain. Of course, I could be wrong. Of course the Wilpons' reign could turn out to be more successful than Cohen's will. But not bloody likely so long as Cohen is given a reasonable chance. What's your point here? I'm not allowed to have an opinion? What's the point of this whole exchange? That the Correa deal could turn out badly for the Mets? And that then what? That Cohen should never sign another free agent? That if the Correa deal turns out to be a bad deal for the Mets, every other deal Cohen makes from here on out is also gonna turn bad? That it'd then be likely that the Wilpons will have been the more successful Mets owners when it's all said and done if the Mets sign Correa and the deal goes bad? If Correa turns into another Jason Bay, you wanna know what'll probably happen? Cohen'll probably eat Correa's salary and move on to the next third baseman. And the more I think of this, as I write it out in this here post, the more I hope that that's exactly what ends up happening so I can get to see it and read all the nutty takes about how much money Cohen's spending even though Correa's annual Mets salary is like one annual trip to Burger King for lunch for someone like me and by the time Correa's deal goes bad, if it ever does, Cohen'll probably have another two billion dollars to his name in addition to what he already has.

Edgy MD Dec 25 2022 07:26 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

My point is certainly clear. The subject of the thread is this deal. We know, certainly, that Steve Cohen is fabulously rich.

batmagadanleadoff Dec 25 2022 11:16 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=115534 time=1671938221 user_id=68] I'd bet anything that Cohen is going to shatter the Wilpons' record of, what was it, two first place finishes in 32 seasons? And by shatter, I mean in a good way. The Wilpons made plenty of bad deals by being frugal. In fact, there's a strong correlation there. You tend to get what you pay for. In just two full seasons, Cohen's Mets already have one division title. And a 101-win season, the second most one-season wins in franchise history.

Correction: No division titles yet. It sure felt like there was one when I wrote that post.

Fman99 Dec 25 2022 05:31 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

I need an update or my brain is going to implode like a neutron star.

metirish Dec 25 2022 07:01 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1607181078761988096[/TWEET] Update of sorts

batmagadanleadoff Dec 25 2022 07:54 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

Edgy MD wrote: None of those claims make this the right move if it's not. Of course the future is unknowable, which you state even as you make another statement about the future that, aside from being beside the point, you make with such certainty that you can't possibly see any other outcome. Edgy MD wrote: My point is certainly clear. The subject of the thread is this deal. We know, certainly, that Steve Cohen is fabulously rich. I thought I was being on point all along and staying on the subject of the thread - the Mets Correa deal. I'll explain. We'll start with this post: Frayed Knot wrote: Yes it will, and maybe not signing Correa will ultimately be the better move given the MONEYBALL adage about it being easier to recover from the player you fail to sign than it is to recover from the one you sign at the wrong price. Theoretically this will come down to two factors: the determination of the NYM GM/medical people and whether Borrea has another fish on the line (Boras will of course claim he does) to pivot to if and when the Mets start making noises about fewer years and/or less money. My fear is that Cohen may want the big splash/surprise heroics of all this too much and decide to go ahead with the deal even if the advice of his paid experts tells him otherwise. Even if his side winds up being right in the long run it still sets an uneasy precedent. So FK expresses some concern that the Correa deal might turn out badly for the Mets. Whatever. You could say that about any trade, I said, because the future is unknowable. Any deal could go bad and Cohen's not immune from those risks no matter how much money he has. The Mets made deals for Jason Bay and David Wright, for example, that turned out to be disastrous -- like Hindenburg-level disasters. It happens. I could give plenty more examples. But this is fine. This is the Correa Mets deal thread and this is the place to opine on that deal and discuss it. But these two lines: Yes it will, and maybe not signing Correa will ultimately be the better move given the MONEYBALL adage about it being easier to recover from the player you fail to sign than it is to recover from the one you sign at the wrong price. and My fear is that Cohen may want the big splash/surprise heroics of all this too much and decide to go ahead with the deal even if the advice of his paid experts tells him otherwise. Even if his side winds up being right in the long run it still sets an uneasy precedent. This is what I was mainly addressing. That Cohen won't be able to recover from the Correa deal if it goes through and then goes bad? That a bad Correa deal would then doom Cohen to making bad deals forever and ever, going forward? I just thought that was too much and making too much of a big thing out of a possible bad outcome. And stressing Cohen's wealth wasn't straying from the topic, because Cohen's wealth is inextricably inked to the topic. In fact, Cohen's wealth is the topic. Much more so than acquiring Correa. Cohen's wealth would make it pretty easy to recover from a Correa deal gone bad. Cohen's a unicorn. Just like the laws of physics on this planet Earth don't apply to Superman or Clark Kent or anybody else from the planet Krypton, the regular laws of money and finance don't apply to Cohen they way they'd apply to most everybody else. It makes no sense to expect Cohen to spend his money like most everybody else. And it's starting to wear thin on me that people (not necessarily on this forum) everywhere treat Cohen like he is everybody else. He's a unicorn. If the rules permitted, he could own three MLB teams instead of just one. And then, the three teams with the highest payrolls would be the three teams that Cohen owns. He could recover from a bad Correa deal if it should go bad, easier than most people could recover from having to replace their refrigerator, ferchrissakes. So please spare me from the woe's me, he just spent $30 million on that player when $30M to Cohen is like a take-out pizza pie to just about anybody else. Wake me when the Mets payroll reaches three or four billion dollars and then maybe I'll show some concern. Maybe. Steve Cohen's not gonna be here forever. He'll be 70 soon enough. This isn't like Nelson Doubleday, Jr. and Fred Wilpon buying into the Mets as relatively young men in their 40's. Let Cohen enjoy his money. Because he might not even have 10 years to bring home a WS title. Who knows?

RealityChuck Dec 25 2022 08:24 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

=Fman99 post_id=115552 time=1672014674 user_id=86] I need an update or my brain is going to implode like a neutron star.

Most reports say both sides very much want to do a deal. I expect they didn't talk much today.



The Mets still want him; this were a five-year deal, it would have gone through already. The problem seems to be that there a potential problems with the metal plate in the leg deteriorating and the Mets' concern is that it might happen in the latter half of the contract, if it does occur.



At the same time, Correa and Boras know that no team is going to give them a better deal.



I figure things will work out by the first.

Edgy MD Dec 25 2022 08:48 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=115554 time=1672023297 user_id=68]This is what I was mainly addressing. That Cohen won't be able to recover from the Correa deal if it goes through and then goes bad?

Nobody wrote that. Nobody.


=batmagadanleadoff post_id=115554 time=1672023297 user_id=68]That a bad Correa deal would then doom Cohen to making bad deals forever and ever, going forward?
Also suggested by no one.



And I certainly can't speak for everybody, but I'm certain that I don't need another analogy about how rich Steve Cohen is.

Lefty Specialist Dec 26 2022 06:11 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

=RealityChuck post_id=115555 time=1672025066 user_id=82] =Fman99 post_id=115552 time=1672014674 user_id=86] I need an update or my brain is going to implode like a neutron star.

Most reports say both sides very much want to do a deal. I expect they didn't talk much today.



The Mets still want him; this were a five-year deal, it would have gone through already. The problem seems to be that there a potential problems with the metal plate in the leg deteriorating and the Mets' concern is that it might happen in the latter half of the contract, if it does occur.



At the same time, Correa and Boras know that no team is going to give them a better deal.



I figure things will work out by the first.

Yeah, this is where I am on this. Cohen ran his mouth and kinda committed himself here. Boras realizes that if TWO organizations hesitated due to the medicals, he's going to have difficulty shopping Correa any further. So he'll have to come to some kind of deal with Uncle Steve for a shorter term and cut his losses.

batmagadanleadoff Dec 26 2022 10:59 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

Edgy MD wrote: This is what I was mainly addressing. That Cohen won't be able to recover from the Correa deal if it goes through and then goes bad? Nobody wrote that. Nobody. Oh really? Nobody wrote that? My post in question came immediately after this: Frayed Knot wrote: Yes it will, and maybe not signing Correa will ultimately be the better move given the MONEYBALL adage about it being easier to recover from the player you fail to sign than it is to recover from the one you sign at the wrong price. which I was kind enough to reprint for a second time said quote about RECOVERING from the Correa deal after you first questioned my post. So now what? You're gonna split hairs and now say that no one said that the Mets wouldn't recover from a bad Correa deal, but that instead, it'd be difficult? It won't be difficult. It won't be difficult for a guy to whom thirty million dollars might as well be a bag of potato chips. Now what? Now you're gonna tell me again that you don't wanna be reminded about just how rich Steve Cohen is? Tough on you. Then don't create issues that can best be answered by demonstrating just how rich Steve Cohen is.

Edgy MD Dec 26 2022 11:54 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

If you want me to pretend one thing is another thing when it's not, I'm not going to, and neither is anybody else. The world doesn't work that way. Please stop looking for fights where there are none to be had. A new year lies ahead and it's filled with so much potential.

kcmets Dec 26 2022 12:25 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

For posterity and regurgitation on slow news day... [QUOTE="NBC Rotoworld or Whatever"] Anthony DiComo of MLB.com reports that the Mets and free agent shortstop Carlos Correa are "actively working" to reach a resolution on their original contract agreement. DiComo adds that the Mets were hoping to finalize Correa's 12-year, $315 million contract by Christmas, but will likely require a few additional days to reach a resolution after team officials expressed concerns regarding his medical records, specifically his surgically-repaired lower right leg. There isn't an exact timeline for the two sides to proceed, but there are zero indications that either side is walking away from the original agreement yet. The most likely outcome is the two sides agreeing to a re-structured contract that addresses New York's long-term medical concerns. Stay tuned. RELATED: New York Mets SOURCE: MLB.com Dec 26, 2022, 8:20 AM ET[/QUOTE]

batmagadanleadoff Dec 26 2022 01:00 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

Edgy MD wrote: If you want me to pretend one thing is another thing when it's not, I'm not going to, and neither is anybody else. The world doesn't work that way. Please stop looking for fights where there are none to be had. A new year lies ahead and it's filled with so much potential. I wasn't looking for fights. You were. And as between you and me, you'd just the same extend a disagreement for two or three pages with baseless conclusions rather than ever concede anything to me. You've done it a zillion times already with me, going back to year one. I'm not looking for fights with anybody. I have issues with certain posters who indisputably started with me, and did so viciously and without any provocation on my end. These were arguments way beyond the boundaries of a baseball disagreement. These were repeated vicious personal attacks. Well, one guy not so viciously but just as bad because mocking me for ten years is pretty awful in and of itself. The only reason my disputes with that poster weren't these over the top armageddon flame wars was because I totally ignored him for 10 years. With him, it was more of a cumulative effect. Gimme a break already with how difficult it'd be for Steve Cohen to recover from a bad Correa deal or how a bad Correa deal might set precedents and how nobody ever said that. He just finished paying the Orioles $19 million dollars to take James McCann, please. I woulda done it for a quarter of one million dollars. After signing Verlander and Senga and then a third baseman, Correa, whom he probably doesn't even need. This after making Scherzer, a 40 year old pitcher, the highest paid player in MLB history. Remember when Cohen signed Lindor? That felt like eons ago. To tell you the truth, I can't wait till next off-season so I can see if the Mets sign Ohtani. The games themsleves are suddenly so anti-climactic. The Mets will likely make the playoffs and then probably get eliminated somewhere down the line. Yawn.

Edgy MD Dec 26 2022 01:37 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

Gimme a break already with how difficult it'd be for Steve Cohen to recover from a bad Correa deal or how a bad Correa deal might set precedents and how nobody ever said that. I once looked up the word "break" on this forum. The only person who has ever asked to be given a break is you. And each and every instance I've found you to use the expression, nobody was actually giving you any grief or making the argument you accused them of. Nobody. You just decided to distort (or completely make up) something somebody wrote and get angry about it. There is no break that you need. None. I guess if denying that something write is true when I recognize it to be so is extending, then sure, I extend. I'll work on that. I can start by letting other posters let you know if you've mischaracterized them. I'm sorry if I step up prematurely. But I'm the guy they write to when you do that over and over and over again. And I'm the guy left with a shittier forum when they leave. So please understand my temptation to engage and attempt to intercede.

Edgy MD Dec 26 2022 01:44 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

Here's a good song from my sig line. [YOUTUBE]p7iARb-JpaY[/YOUTUBE]

Edgy MD Dec 26 2022 07:40 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

There's a nice summary of the history of Correa's ankles here. Also, you get to watch the same play 50 times.

Frayed Knot Dec 26 2022 08:25 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

NY Post; "one source" lists the chances at 55% of the Mets and Correa coming to an agreement.

Lefty Specialist Dec 27 2022 06:23 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

55%? Really? What does that even mean? It's a fancy way of saying "we don't know what's going to happen".

kcmets Dec 27 2022 08:10 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

I heard it's really 54.896%, guess the lazy Post just rounded up. I don't expect any news this week. 86.837% of the offices involved in such business are closed this week. Or 87%, if I may...

Edgy MD Dec 27 2022 08:30 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

I think it means Draft Kings now knows where to set the line. Get your money down!

metirish Dec 28 2022 08:37 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

How are we reading the silence on this ?

Fman99 Dec 28 2022 08:55 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

How are we reading the silence on this ? I liked this guy's take. I'm going to remain optimistic. I don't think anyone else is backing up the big truck like Unkie Steve.

bmfc1 Dec 28 2022 08:59 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

I read it as the two sides are still talking. My guess is that Boras gave Steve an artificial deadline of the new year ("Listen Steve, a new year means a new deal") to which Steve scoffed ("F*ck you, Scott, no one has my dough or plays in this City. You wanna two-year deal in Minnesota, be my guest.") The Puma "inside" quotes that other teams are interested likely come from Boras while Steve feeds Heyman.

kcmets Dec 28 2022 09:16 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

Is Uncle Steve still in Hawaii? He's not answering my texts.

metirish Dec 28 2022 09:33 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

What would Bobby Axelrod do though

Edgy MD Dec 28 2022 10:13 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

I wouidn't be surprised to see the Twins enter back into the picture. They have more on his current condition than most teams, and they already have a contract that he opted out of. It wouldn't be so hard to say to Boras, "That deal is still open to opt back into, or at least serve as a starting point."

ashie62 Dec 28 2022 06:04 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

I believe Correa will continue to play the short game

Frayed Knot Dec 28 2022 07:32 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

Not sure that the short game is in Correa's interest. The problem isn't his health now but the possibility that the plate in his ankle, already nearly a decade old, will cause problems as he ages into his thirties. So, while he can choose to two-year deal it all he wants, those are likely to peter out long before a single twelve-year deal will.

Frayed Knot Jan 01 2023 05:10 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

So, it's a new year but no new news on Carlos Correa.

The Hot Corner Jan 01 2023 06:33 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

I get the feeling that Boras and Correa are engaged in a game of chicken with Cohen. Eppler, and the Mets. It will be interesting to see who finally blinks. I would think that Correa has lost a great deal of his leverage in the wake of 2 failed physicals. I can't imagine any team offering him a long term deal without very specific wording, regarding his right ankle/lower leg. to protect them in the event of reinjury in the future.

Fman99 Jan 01 2023 08:15 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

The Hot Corner wrote: I get the feeling that Boras and Correa are engaged in a game of chicken with Cohen. Eppler, and the Mets. It will be interesting to see who finally blinks. I would think that Correa has lost a great deal of his leverage in the wake of 2 failed physicals. I can't imagine any team offering him a long term deal without very specific wording, regarding his right ankle/lower leg. to protect them in the event of reinjury in the future. He also has professed pretty publicly his preference to play with Lindor and for this team. He's showing his hole card here a bit

Fman99 Jan 03 2023 04:03 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

Correa watch, day 14 (counting forward from 12/21 when this thread was kicked off): Nothing new to report

roger_that Jan 03 2023 08:35 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

Is Uncle Steve still in Hawaii? He's not answering my texts. I would ask Steve Cohen directly--he lived across the street from me in the West Village for about six years, 2013-2019-- but no more are we neighbors. He sold his condo for 30 Million, about the time I broke up with my girlfriend whose house I was living in. When he first moved in (the building was a fabulously renovated former nursing home) my ex-GF, who works in finance, was all excited: "Steve COHEN is living right across the street from us!!" and I was all "Who's Steve Cohen?" I'd love to put a big sign in the front window: "Steve, wassup with Correa deal?" and such but alas.

Frayed Knot Jan 03 2023 08:59 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

DiComo has a good summary piece on mlb.com, but neither side is currently leaking anything so there's no actual new news.

kcmets Jan 03 2023 09:21 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

I think this will wrap up this week, more bbbyyy to chew on.... According to Dan Martin of the New York Post, the Mets and free agent shortstop Carlos Correa are expected to resume contractual discussions soon. The central question that remains unresolved this offseason is whether the Mets and Correa will reach a finalized contract agreement. New York expressed concern with Correa's medical reports -- specifically his surgically-repaired right ankle -- shortly after the two sides agreed to terms on a 12-year, $315 million deal back on December 21. Neither side has made any public statements, but they're believed to be working towards adding language into Correa's long-term contract, that would protect the Mets in the event that he sustains a career-altering ankle injury, without reducing the overall value of the original agreement. It's an extremely complicated situation that fantasy managers should continue to monitor closely. SOURCE: New York Post Jan 3, 2023, 9:12 AM ET

roger_that Jan 03 2023 11:20 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

According to this article [url]https://www.businessinsider.com/billionaire-hedge-fund-manager-steve-cohen-sells-nyc-condo-photos-2019-5#the-homes-great-room-has-ceilings-that-are-more-than-12-feet-tall-7 he had decorated the place with all this awful art, just big dull squares. It all looks the same, and all looks like a child could have painted it. Nice digs, though.

Benjamin Grimm Jan 03 2023 11:26 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

For some reason, the artwork has been pixelated. It might lead me to think that he owns art that he's not supposed to own, but I doubt that's the case. Maybe he's worried that thieves might target specific pieces?

batmagadanleadoff Jan 03 2023 11:58 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

Benjamin Grimm wrote: For some reason, the artwork has been pixelated. It might lead me to think that he owns art that he's not supposed to own, but I doubt that's the case. Maybe he's worried that thieves might target specific pieces? Cohen owns one of the five existing "original" Andy Warhol Marilyn Monroes. [FIMG=444]https://static01.nyt.com/images/2022/05/09/arts/09warhol-auction-1/merlin_206146221_67a27ce3-5706-4937-ac27-170d46f782b9-superJumbo.jpg?quality=75&auto=webp[/FIMG] The last Marilyn to sell fetched $195M. So Cohen's Marilyn is worth more than most MLB teams' entire payrolls. I'd pixelate that artwork. No, actually if it was me, I wouldn't want my home(s) photographed for the public at all.

nymr83 Jan 03 2023 12:00 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

a painting that expensive probably has its own pair of $75,000/year armed guards who each stand next to it in 12 hour shifts, just far enough away that they aren't obstructing Steve's staring at it. But then, it might not even be the most expensive one he owns? And this is why our payroll is monopoly money.

Centerfield Jan 03 2023 12:01 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

According to this article [url]https://www.businessinsider.com/billionaire-hedge-fund-manager-steve-cohen-sells-nyc-condo-photos-2019-5#the-homes-great-room-has-ceilings-that-are-more-than-12-feet-tall-7 he had decorated the place with all this awful art, just big dull squares. It all looks the same, and all looks like a child could have painted it. Nice digs, though. I'm often struck by how grown up other people are. Like, if I was a bazillionaire, my mansion wouldn't look anything like that. I can't even imagine wasting space and money on a library. I mean, not before I get a giant two floor TV. A batting cage. Life-size replica of the Millennium Falcon. Laser Tag. An aquarium big enough to have sharks.

kcmets Jan 03 2023 12:02 PM Re: Holy @#%$! Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 03 2023 12:08 PM

I imagine that whoever is insuring Uncle Steve's crib frowns upon pictures of $x,xxxx,xxx artwork that adorns his walls being broadcast over the interweb. Security staff too. Then again, he may have a classic Penthouse magazine fetish and they can't show 70's bush and double D's on a web page??? (hey, that may warrant the first thread split of 2023)

batmagadanleadoff Jan 03 2023 12:05 PM Re: Holy @#%$! Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 03 2023 12:07 PM

=nymr83 post_id=115938 time=1672772438 user_id=54] a painting that expensive probably has its own pair of $75,000/year armed guards who each stand next to it in 12 hour shifts, just far enough away that they aren't obstructing Steve's staring at it. But then, it might not even be the most expensive one he owns? And this is why our payroll is monopoly money.

I think Cohen spent close to $300M on one piece of art. But yes, if he spends hundreds of millions on individual pieces of art, then buying $30M ballplayers is to Cohen, like I said more than plenty already, like buying a bag of potato chips.

A Boy Named Seo Jan 03 2023 12:06 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

IMPORTANT CARLOS CORREA UPDATE: A couple hours ago, he posted a picture of him holding his kid with the caption "Going to work with daddy today" and his kid was wearing an adorable t-shirt that read "I HEART NY" but the I was a hot dog and the heart was a pretzel. Beat that hot scoop, Jon Heyman.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 03 2023 12:19 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

=nymr83 post_id=115938 time=1672772438 user_id=54] But then, it might not even be the most expensive one he owns?

Cohen also owns, among other things (obviously), the Mookie Wilson/Bill Buckner baseball. I think he paid $400K for the ball. High end sports memorabilia has skyrocketed in value over the last 10 years. I'd bet that ball's now worth over $2M. It's so easy to make money when you have so much money to begin with. They have access to so many opportunities.

Fman99 Jan 03 2023 12:25 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

A Boy Named Seo wrote: IMPORTANT CARLOS CORREA UPDATE: A couple hours ago, he posted a picture of him holding his kid with the caption "Going to work with daddy today" and his kid was wearing an adorable t-shirt that read "I HEART NY" but the I was a hot dog and the heart was a pretzel. Beat that hot scoop, Jon Heyman. This is actual news. Or so I am telling myself.

Benjamin Grimm Jan 03 2023 01:51 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

A Boy Named Seo wrote: IMPORTANT CARLOS CORREA UPDATE: A couple hours ago, he posted a picture of him holding his kid with the caption "Going to work with daddy today" and his kid was wearing an adorable t-shirt that read "I HEART NY" but the I was a hot dog and the heart was a pretzel. Beat that hot scoop, Jon Heyman. https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/01/Carlos-Correa.jpg>

A Boy Named Seo Jan 03 2023 01:52 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

And the eye black and the baseball mitt. It's all but a done deal.

Benjamin Grimm Jan 03 2023 01:55 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

I think the latest snag is that the kid may have an ear infection.

roger_that Jan 03 2023 02:49 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

Benjamin Grimm wrote: For some reason, the artwork has been pixelated. Of course it has. I was just goofing. It is a bit weird though. He lets people photograph his home but not his art?

batmagadanleadoff Jan 03 2023 02:56 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

Why not? The art's worth 10, maybe 20 times what the residence is worth. Besides, you think someone's gonna steal the whole house? Ay-GEE! Ay-GEE! (Shea Stadium cheer).

kcmets Jan 03 2023 03:00 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

=roger_that]He lets people photograph his home but not his art?

=kcmets post_id=115940 time=1672772577 user_id=53]
I imagine that whoever is insuring Uncle Steve's crib frowns upon pictures

of $x,xxxx,xxx artwork that adorns his walls being broadcast over the interweb.

Security staff too. Then again, he may have a classic Penthouse magazine fetish

and they can't show 70's bush and double D's on a web page???

G-Fafif Jan 03 2023 05:03 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

[tweet]https://twitter.com/SNY_Mets/status/1610422128259514368[/tweet]

MFS62 Jan 03 2023 05:29 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

There was an article on Yahoo sports that said the BoSox would be interested in a trade for Carrasco, but did not say which/ or if, specific names have been discussed. Could just be some sportswriter's chowda. Later

Benjamin Grimm Jan 03 2023 05:39 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

I think it was Sports Illustrated that speculated that it might be a younger pitcher with more years of team control.

Edgy MD Jan 03 2023 07:53 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

Well, I just ordered my 🌭🥨NY onesie.

vtmet7 Jan 04 2023 08:34 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

Eye don't get it: hot dog, pretzel, NY?

nymr83 Jan 04 2023 08:59 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

those are the two classic street cart foods, at least in my mind

metsmarathon Jan 04 2023 09:15 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

=vtmet7 post_id=116030 time=1672846460 user_id=80] Eye don't get it: hot dog, pretzel, NY?

it means he's enjoying twisting our dicks all in a knot while we anxiously await any movement regarding his signing.



or it's just a cute play on I [heart] NY



i'm really not sure. but either way it needs roasted nuts.

whippoorwill Jan 04 2023 03:27 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

When I think of pretzels I think of Philly Maybe Edgy's telling us correa's going to Philly

Edgy MD Jan 04 2023 03:43 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

I'm just rolling with Correa and his kid up top.

Methead Jan 04 2023 04:06 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

I always thought the eye black gene skipped a generation, but I guess I was wrong.

nymr83 Jan 04 2023 04:16 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

=whippoorwill post_id=116075 time=1672871260 user_id=79] When I think of pretzels I think of Philly Maybe Edgy's telling us correa's going to Philly

Philly I think of stores that sell pretzels, New York I think of street cart pretzels

Benjamin Grimm Jan 04 2023 04:22 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

Philadelphia pretzels are shaped differently.

Frayed Knot Jan 04 2023 06:04 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

Back to the subject at hand, Ken Rosenthal apparently told a podcast connected to The Athletic that a NYM/Carlos Correa contract could look "dramatically different" than the announced original.

whippoorwill Jan 04 2023 06:57 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

Lol Yeah. One year. $1000 and maybe an X-ray now and then

MFS62 Jan 05 2023 09:19 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

Frayed Knot wrote: Back to the subject at hand, Ken Rosenthal apparently told a podcast connected to The Athletic that a NYM/Carlos Correa contract could look "dramatically different" than the announced original. And every article about the Correa situation I've read since then cites that one Rosenthal piece. 1) I would expect the new contract wouldn't be a straight payout given that past injury, so it would be different. It is a d'oh conclusion. 2) How about other reporters getting off their collective lazy arses and uncovering new details for info to pass along to us? He concludes his article by saying that once the Corrrea deal is complete, the Mets will make other deals. 1) Fairly logical - they have other holes to fill. 2) if he knows something for sure, who are the players involved? In both cases, I'm starting to get the feeling that Rosenthal is less a reporter with insight than he is Captain Obvious. OE: Maybe I'm just frustrated there is no new off-season news. Later

nymr83 Jan 05 2023 09:56 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

Frayed Knot wrote: Back to the subject at hand, Ken Rosenthal apparently told a podcast connected to The Athletic that a NYM/Carlos Correa contract could look "dramatically different" than the announced original. And every article about the Correa situation I've read since then cites that one Rosenthal piece. 1) I would expect the new contract wouldn't be a straight payout given that past injury, so it would be different. It is a d'oh conclusion. 2) How about other reporters getting off their collective lazy arses and uncovering new details for info to pass along to us? He concludes his article by saying that once the Corrrea deal is complete, the Mets will make other deals. 1) Fairly logical - they have other holes to fill. 2) if he knows something for sure, who are the players involved? In both cases, I'm starting to get the feeling that Rosenthal is less a reporter with insight than he is Captain Obvious. OE: Maybe I'm just frustrated there is no new off-season news. Later Jim Bowden wrote an article about what all 30 clubs are telling him/ what he is hearing off the record and he says the Mets are likely to pursue a 4th outfielder

Centerfield Jan 05 2023 12:44 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Philadelphia pretzels are shaped differently. https://www.philasoftpretzels.com/uploads/3/7/2/3/37231925/7301032.jpg?282> What the fuck am I even looking at.

kcmets Jan 05 2023 12:48 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

Needs mustard.

nymr83 Jan 05 2023 12:52 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

=kcmets post_id=116166 time=1672948084 user_id=53]Needs mustard.

i would go with cheese dip

Fman99 Jan 05 2023 12:54 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

When you run the Philadelphia Marathon, after 26.2 miles you get one of those bad boys and a cup of steaming hot chicken broth to dip it into. The race is always a cooler day, the last weekend before Thanksgiving, and that is one fine fine post race piece of nourishment.

metirish Jan 05 2023 01:06 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/SNY_Mets/status/1611086658622873639[/TWEET] I'm blocked by Martino but this from SNY

The Hot Corner Jan 05 2023 06:49 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

That is a pretty messed up pretzel. Needs beer cheese and a beer.

Frayed Knot Jan 05 2023 06:51 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

Heyman, Post: Correa/NYM talks hit a "hiccup" leading Correa/Boras to be in contact with "at least one other team".

The Hot Corner Jan 05 2023 07:01 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

MLB.com ((citing NY Post article) is reporting that Correa and Boras are in contact with 2 other teams (one is believed to be the Twins) while also negotiating a restructuring with the Mets. I'm growing tired of this entire ordeal. It seems that all substantial potential moves the Mets might be considering are on hold while this protracted negotiation drags on. I would love to see Correa manning third base for the Mets, but I am growing tired of this drawn out affair. I seriously doubt, any team will offer him nearly the money (and years) the Giants and Mets offered. If the two sides are not making substantial progress to resolving this contractual impasse, I feel it would be in the Mets best interest to "cut bait" and move on with their offseason.

Bob Alpacadaca Jan 05 2023 07:19 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

I would not be stunned of Boras is leaking that he is talking to other teams to put pressure on the Mets. It always seems there are leaks about a "mystery team" involved when he has a star client trying to get a deal signed.

Edgy MD Jan 05 2023 07:21 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

Edgy MD wrote: I wouidn't be surprised to see the Twins enter back into the picture. They have more on his current condition than most teams, and they already have a contract that he opted out of. It wouldn't be so hard to say to Boras, "That deal is still open to opt back into, or at least serve as a starting point." I'm Edgy MD and I'm happy to offer stock market advice for a reasonable upfront fee.

Fman99 Jan 06 2023 05:37 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

Frayed Knot wrote: Heyman, Post: Correa/NYM talks hit a "hiccup" leading Correa/Boras to be in contact with "at least one other team". I think this is a bluff, trying to put the pressure on Unkie Steve to get this deal locked down by releasing this info publicly. I think other teams that can't just print their own monopoly money aren't giving up the big bucks for Correa because of this leg thing anyway.

vtmet7 Jan 06 2023 07:04 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

this whole saga is getting a little tedious...every day on my facebook feed or on sportspyder there is another updated Correa story that basically says nothing new or cooks up drama...at this point it's time to either shit or get off the pot so that we can focus on getting the roster more focused than 1 freaking player...I would like Correa, but it's not like we don't have several other 3B options

A Boy Named Seo Jan 06 2023 08:19 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

I'm not really stressing the mystery team. At this point, no team is going to pip the Mets' offer when there's clearly something scary on the medicals. And I don't see how Correa is served taking another short deal and doing it all over again next year. If he's really walking around with an ankle that was repaired with duct tape and Big League Chew™, any team that beats the Mets will soon find the same befuddling shit on the X-ray, so... These re-negotiations should protect the club pretty well and I'm sure Carlos will still make truck loads of dough over the next decade.

metsmarathon Jan 06 2023 08:25 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

yeah, i mean, i'm just waiting for it to be done so that i can stop wondering how it's gonna get done. but i'm hardly worried that it gets done. and if it doesn't get done? well, shit, it's not like we were a bad team before the signing.

Benjamin Grimm Jan 06 2023 08:50 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

Exactly. If they go with Escobar and/or Baty and/or Vientos at third base, they're still a likely playoff team.

metsmarathon Jan 06 2023 09:01 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Exactly. If they go with Escobar and/or Baty and/or Vientos at third base, they're still a likely playoff team. without correa, we were an even bet to take the NL east. damn right we're a likely playoff team even without him!

A Boy Named Seo Jan 06 2023 09:47 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

what, me worry? [TWEET]https://twitter.com/martinonyc/status/1611400838919950336[/TWEET]

metsmarathon Jan 06 2023 10:22 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

looks like boras isn't the only one who can play this game.

MFS62 Jan 06 2023 10:42 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

=metsmarathon post_id=116242 time=1673025765 user_id=83] looks like boras isn't the only one who can play this game.

There are two guys who don't like to lose going head to head.

This is now a game of chicken.

Later

Marshmallowmilkshake Jan 06 2023 10:53 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

=MFS62 post_id=116243 time=1673026972 user_id=60] =metsmarathon post_id=116242 time=1673025765 user_id=83] looks like boras isn't the only one who can play this game.

There are two guys who don't like to lose going head to head.

This is now a game of chicken.

Later


I'm not so sure. I think the Mets have much more leverage. The Mets would like to have Correa, but they don't need to have him. Meanwhile Boras is an agent with a client who needs a contract. The number of teams that can afford a 10-year, $300 million contract is pretty small. The number of those teams that need a shortstop/third baseman is smaller yet - especially if you subtract the Mets and Giants.



It just smells of last-minute drama to either improve the deal or get it over the line.

Lefty Specialist Jan 06 2023 11:23 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

You kind of get the feeling that if the Mets balk, Boras will sign a shorter-term deal with the Twins, who always seem to be in the background. They've seen the medicals and were OK with offering him the 3-year deal for over $100 million that he opted out of. They also made a long-term offer that the Giants blew out of the water. So they'd be a pretty reasonable fallback.

Centerfield Jan 06 2023 11:26 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

The Hot Corner wrote: That is a pretty messed up pretzel. Needs beer cheese and a beer. It kinda looks like a pretzel that had too many beers.

MFS62 Jan 06 2023 11:28 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

=Marshmallowmilkshake post_id=116245 time=1673027591 user_id=119] Meanwhile Boras is an agent with a client who needs a contract.

He doesn't care. Didn't he make one of his clients sit out an entire year without a contract a few years ago?

He'll have him sit rather than take a lesser deal.



Later

metsmarathon Jan 06 2023 11:47 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

Lefty Specialist wrote: You kind of get the feeling that if the Mets balk, Boras will sign a shorter-term deal with the Twins, who always seem to be in the background. They've seen the medicals and were OK with offering him the 3-year deal for over $100 million that he opted out of. They also made a long-term offer that the Giants blew out of the water. So they'd be a pretty reasonable fallback. but did they give him a new-hire-type physical after the ankle incident late last year? They saw the prior medicals, but if there's something new with that old injury, maybe they wouldn't be quite so fast to pull a trigger.

Edgy MD Jan 06 2023 12:09 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

I think it's fairly clear that an agent can't "make" a client sit out a year.

MFS62 Jan 06 2023 12:18 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

Edgy MD wrote: I think it's fairly clear that an agent can't "make" a client sit out a year. I struggled mightily over that word when I typed that. I thought of using "had" or I could have said "Convinced his client that it would be better for him to...". Maybe just urged? Suggested? Whatever Later

ashie62 Jan 06 2023 12:20 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

No, an agent cannot make someone sit out against their will. Correa to the Twins on a short game deal The Bret Baty era begins That's my guess

nymr83 Jan 06 2023 02:14 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

Stephen Drew I think took a 1 year deal not until the season started after Boras overplayed his hand trying to get him the big contract. and he never got paid big after that. there may have been others.

vtmet7 Jan 07 2023 09:50 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

=nymr83 post_id=116263 time=1673039694 user_id=54] Stephen Drew I think took a 1 year deal not until the season started after Boras overplayed his hand trying to get him the big contract. and he never got paid big after that. there may have been others.

that didn't work out so well for Drew...and 2 different teams have basically interpreted Correa's X-rays as that it's indicating that his leg (that gave him a stinger on a slide in Sept 2022) is basically being held together with a metal plate, screws, duck-tape and shrinkwrap...so you would think that signing a 1 year deal for Correa is not a good long term risk for a good payout

metirish Jan 08 2023 11:18 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/chefhad/status/1612138814083928065[/TWEET] Make of this what you will #LGM

nymr83 Jan 08 2023 03:53 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

At this point I'll believe it when there is a press conference

Lefty Specialist Jan 08 2023 04:07 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

Yeah, there have been so many 'sources close to....' stories that I'm just gonna wait this thing out.

metirish Jan 10 2023 04:23 AM Re: Holy @#%$! Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 10 2023 06:16 AM

Nothing much new but talks with Twins accelerating according to Athletic report overnight

Johnny Lunchbucket Jan 10 2023 06:09 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

Have any of the beaters speculated as to what the Mets will do with Escobar when this is over one way or another?

Benjamin Grimm Jan 10 2023 06:42 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

A lot of talk about trading Escobar, but I'd keep him as a reserve infielder, right-handed DH. It would be silly to ditch Escobar and keep Ruf.

Johnny Lunchbucket Jan 10 2023 07:06 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

I think Escobar is a good spare part to have but you gotta wonder where he stands on first being replaced, and next, considered still be to be replaced by an injured guy, one year into his contact. Perhaps we trade him (and Ruf) to San Francisco, and then sign Andrew McCutheon as RH DH

Edgy MD Jan 10 2023 07:51 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

It's also being replaced like this — leaving the sword of Damocles dangling there for a month.

MFS62 Jan 10 2023 08:04 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

They're now checking out his ankle injury with CARFAX. Later

TransMonk Jan 10 2023 08:08 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

My gut says they wrap this up today. Take it to the bank.

Lefty Specialist Jan 10 2023 08:23 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

=metirish post_id=116415 time=1673349821 user_id=72] Nothing much new but talks with Twins accelerating according to Athletic report overnight

Talks accelerating?



[YOUTUBE]NeK5ZjtpO-M
[/YOUTUBE]

roger_that Jan 10 2023 09:39 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

Never let us down before: [TWEET]https://twitter.com/BenVerlander/status/1612711710888009729[/TWEET]

metirish Jan 10 2023 09:42 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

Coobie's fave player can't be wrong

metirish Jan 10 2023 10:23 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1612862245343563787[/TWEET]

G-Fafif Jan 10 2023 10:26 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

“Eduardo, baby, we've always loved you!”

Lefty Specialist Jan 10 2023 10:29 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

"Pending a physical", lol.

A Boy Named Seo Jan 10 2023 10:32 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

Quite a drop in years and guaranteed dough. The Mets (and Giants) must have been absolutely terrified by whatever was on those medicals. Hey Brett Baty, I hope you didn't sell your 3B mitt on ebay yet!

Fman99 Jan 10 2023 10:36 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

Wow, I thought all along it was a lot of posturing and he'd be a Met. Shows you what I know.

Centerfield Jan 10 2023 10:40 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

Mind boggling that Steve Cohen would make public comments before seeing the physical. Unless Boras held something back, it's inexplicable.

A Boy Named Seo Jan 10 2023 10:45 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

Correa may not make it, but this is a first-ballot CPF HOF thread.

metirish Jan 10 2023 10:49 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1612867690774892556[/TWEET]

kcmets Jan 10 2023 10:49 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

Surprised but not shocked. Zero disappointment here NOW!!! Should make for an interesting tabloid cover or two mañana for sure.

MFS62 Jan 10 2023 11:01 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

=MFS62 post_id=116428 time=1673363078 user_id=60] They're now checking out his ankle injury with CARFAX. Later

They must have used CARFAX because the price dropped so much.



Sometimes he best deals are the ones you never make.

It's BATY TIME!



Later

metsmarathon Jan 10 2023 11:02 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

Huh.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 10 2023 11:04 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

I'm still not over deGrom leaving.

A Boy Named Seo Jan 10 2023 11:18 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

Waiting for this place to change the description to "rare, limited edition souvenir of Carlos Correa's two fake weeks as a Met! Get them while you still can!" https://breakingt.com/collections/new-york-m-baseball/products/carlos-correa-queens

MFS62 Jan 10 2023 11:22 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

A Boy Named Seo wrote: Waiting for this place to change the description to "rare, limited edition souvenir of Carlos Correa's two fake weeks as a Met! Get them while you still can!" https://breakingt.com/collections/new-york-m-baseball/products/carlos-correa-queens Not quite "DEWEY WINS!" but still funny. Later

Edgy MD Jan 10 2023 11:25 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

=Centerfield post_id=116448 time=1673372418 user_id=65] Mind boggling that Steve Cohen would make public comments before seeing the physical. Unless Boras held something back, it's inexplicable.

It's kind of amazing that guys with the money to get anything they want ultimately want what every 12-year-old wants — online attention.

stevejrogers Jan 10 2023 11:33 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

A Boy Named Seo wrote: Waiting for this place to change the description to "rare, limited edition souvenir of Carlos Correa's two fake weeks as a Met! Get them while you still can!" https://breakingt.com/collections/new-york-m-baseball/products/carlos-correa-queens Still not as bad as Mets Ramirez #24 jerseys worn by attention whor…I mean protestors outside Shea trying to get the Mets to sign him

metirish Jan 10 2023 11:34 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

Is Cohen a meddler ? I would love to know what the FO was like the last month or so

batmagadanleadoff Jan 10 2023 11:41 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

FO? Can I buy a vowel?

MFS62 Jan 10 2023 11:42 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=116465 time=1673376078 user_id=68] FO? Can I buy a vowel?

I'm guessing Front Office.

Later

batmagadanleadoff Jan 10 2023 11:44 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

=MFS62 post_id=116466 time=1673376166 user_id=60] =batmagadanleadoff post_id=116465 time=1673376078 user_id=68] FO? Can I buy a vowel?

I'm guessing Front Office.




Oh. So then--- what was the front office like the last month or so?

metirish Jan 10 2023 11:45 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

Yeah, they were as surprised as any apparently that Cohen reached agreement with Boras , then the physical, then they have to try and salvage a deal. Hardly easy.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 10 2023 11:50 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

Cohen's still learning. If the Mets want better than Baty at third, Manny Machado can opt out after 2023. Plus free agents Ohtani and Nola. That's my wish list. For now.

metirish Jan 10 2023 11:53 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=116469 time=1673376634 user_id=68] Cohen's still learning. If the Mets want better than Baty at third, Manny Machado can opt out after 2023. Plus free agents Ohtani and Nola. That's my wish list. For now.

It could all turn out for the best

batmagadanleadoff Jan 10 2023 11:56 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

=metirish post_id=116470 time=1673376836 user_id=72] =batmagadanleadoff post_id=116469 time=1673376634 user_id=68] Cohen's still learning. If the Mets want better than Baty at third, Manny Machado can opt out after 2023. Plus free agents Ohtani and Nola. That's my wish list. For now.

It could all turn out for the best

Baty could turn in a terrific season and take the ROY award. Who knows?

Lefty Specialist Jan 10 2023 11:59 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

I'd be more pissed about this if they didn't have the position already manned. They'd have had to make other moves with Escobar and Baty, and now they don't. Correa always felt a little like overkill. That said, they still need another bullpen arm and a right-handed DH. And yeah, that's Ohtani money Steve can spend next year.

Edgy MD Jan 10 2023 12:11 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

[fimg=600]https://cranepoolcompanion.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/iluvmn.jpg[/fimg]

whippoorwill Jan 10 2023 12:19 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

=metirish post_id=116440 time=1673368979 user_id=72] Coobie's fave player can't be wrong

Lol

roger_that Jan 10 2023 12:39 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

Never let us down before: [TWEET]https://twitter.com/BenVerlander/status/1612711710888009729[/TWEET] So Coobie's favorite player was 100% wrong only hours before the news broke? He's getting to be Trump-like in his reverse barometer status: the more aggressively he asserts it, the more reliably you can rely on the opposite to be the case.

Marshmallowmilkshake Jan 10 2023 12:57 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

Well, if losing Steven Matz sparked Cohen to go out and sign Max, imagine what losing Correa will prompt him to do?

Edgy MD Jan 10 2023 01:00 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

Hey, Baerga wasn't 100% wrong. I can breathe. He was right about that.

whippoorwill Jan 10 2023 01:04 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

I didn't realize Carlos had insider information Or maybe he doesnt

nymr83 Jan 10 2023 01:10 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

The Mets have done enough this offseason that I'm not crushed. let;s win it all anyway!

Johnny Lunchbucket Jan 10 2023 01:12 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

Lefty Specialist wrote: I'd be more pissed about this if they didn't have the position already manned. They'd have had to make other moves with Escobar and Baty, and now they don't. Correa always felt a little like overkill. Overkill compounded by overcommitment. They basically told Baty and Escobar "we don't think that much of you," and almost committed 12 years to a third baseman who hit 22 HRs last year. Not bad for a SS but no Mike Schmidt.

whippoorwill Jan 10 2023 01:29 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

Yeah I could never understand why they would commit 12 years to any player. That's not even realistic I can see a player's desire to be paid 12 years guaranteed but I don't want it to be the Mets paying him

roger_that Jan 10 2023 01:56 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

I don't want it to be the Mets paying him Well, you have to understand that money doesn't mean anything to Steve Cohen, and all our quaint notions of "expensive" and "potentially ruinous" are obsolete. As are we, I suppose.

MFS62 Jan 10 2023 02:21 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Lefty Specialist wrote: Correa always felt a little like overkill. Overkill compounded by overcommitment. They basically told Baty and Escobar "we don't think that much of you," and almost committed 12 years to a third baseman who hit 22 HRs last year. Not bad for a SS but no Mike Schmidt. As Billy Joel asked, "Is that all you get for your money?" Later

Edgy MD Jan 10 2023 02:31 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

I disagree that money doesn't mean anything to Steve Cohen. Beyond that, an unwise move for the team is an unwise move for the team, even if his wealth is enormous. I'm sure that he'd agree at some level.

Benjamin Grimm Jan 10 2023 02:59 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

And we can't be certain that the Mets can be as cavalier about Correa's salary in 2034 as they were about Robinson Cano's in 2022. A lot can happen in twelve years. By 2034, the team may be under the control of Steve Cohen's daughter Lorinda.

Frayed Knot Jan 10 2023 03:32 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

So since I just heard today that Carlos Correa is a Twin maybe we should try to sign his brother. He could be exactly the same only without the ankle injury.

whippoorwill Jan 10 2023 03:38 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

His twin could be a sister 🤓

roger_that Jan 10 2023 04:29 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

Edgy MD wrote: I disagree that money doesn't mean anything to Steve Cohen. Well, there was a little sarcasm, or irony, or hyperbole, or undetectable skepticism, mixed into my remark. It's not that money doesn't have any meaning for Steve Cohen. More like "We don't, and probably can't, conceive of money in precisely the same way that Steve Cohen thinks of it, and 'stupid' to us probably seems 'could be smart' to him much of the time."

bmfc1 Jan 10 2023 04:51 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

If SF had signed him or MIN had re-signed him immediately I would have been fine with the team as is but when your owner tells you that a player is necessary to get the team "over the top" and you see that he would have been worth 3.5 wins per Fangraphs, I can't help but be upset at this turn of events.

G-Fafif Jan 10 2023 04:52 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

[tweet]https://twitter.com/jonheyman/status/1606303328689799168[/tweet] Hope the purchasers or gift recipients like Mets baseball for Mets baseball's sake.

G-Fafif Jan 10 2023 05:01 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

From ESPN: Discussions focused on guarantee language. The Mets were fine keeping the 12-year, $315 million terms -- but wanted only half of it guaranteed. Over the final six years of the deal, according to sources, the Mets proposed their medical staff would conduct a physical on Correa at the end of each season -- regardless of his health during the season. The results of the physical would then determine whether the next year of the contract was picked up. Boras wanted a deal closer to that of ones he'd negotiated in the past -- for J.D. Martinez and J.D. Drew with the Red Sox, Magglio Ordonez and Pudge Rodriguez with the Tigers -- containing provisions for specific injuries. With Martinez, for example, if he spent 60 days on the injured list with an injury related to the foot about which the Red Sox were concerned, they could convert the final two guaranteed years of his deal to mutual options. The Mets stuck to their six-year, $157.5 million offer, and last week, with the sides making little progress, Boras ramped up his engagement with the Twins. Minnesota, more comfortable with Correa's medicals after seeing him up close for a year, cognizant that the guarantee for him had taken a hit on account of the injury, pounced. https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/35420204/mlb-correa-free-agency-line-2022-23

Benjamin Grimm Jan 11 2023 06:39 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

Should make for an interesting tabloid cover or two mañana for sure. For our consideration in November 2023: http://ultimatemets.com/covers/2023/20230111_NSD_02.jpg> http://ultimatemets.com/covers/2023/20230111_NYDN_02.jpg> http://ultimatemets.com/covers/2023/20230111_NYP_02.jpg>

metsmarathon Jan 11 2023 07:32 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

daily news for the win, easily.

kcmets Jan 11 2023 07:33 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

Not bad! I guess I was envisioning more bloody-shark-waters type stuff but they 'behaved' themselves.

Benjamin Grimm Jan 11 2023 07:35 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

=metsmarathon post_id=116548 time=1673447550 user_id=83] daily news for the win, easily.

I agree, but the Post chose a photo that goes well with the headline.

kcmets Jan 11 2023 07:38 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

They all have a little something, but I like The Snooze the best. Intentional Pass is kinda clever.

Fman99 Jan 11 2023 11:00 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

NY Post has him saying this at his Twins press conference today. Carlos Correa on ultimately choosing Twins over Mets: "I want to be a part of a team that doesn't buy championships," Correa told reporters in a surprise press conference where he made his announcement. "One team handing out all that money isn't good for the sport." Oh OK then

Benjamin Grimm Jan 11 2023 11:02 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

That seems really sincere.

Frayed Knot Jan 11 2023 11:12 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

He better hope that neither his agent nor union reps hear that.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 11 2023 11:22 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

NY Post has him saying this at his Twins press conference today. Carlos Correa on ultimately choosing Twins over Mets: "I want to be a part of a team that doesn't buy championships," Correa told reporters in a surprise press conference where he made his announcement. "One team handing out all that money isn't good for the sport." Oh OK then I guess that's why Correa ultimately didnt sign with the Mets: because the Mets offered him too much money. And because they already had too many high priced players. I'll put that one with the one about deGrom wanting to win so badly that he left the Mets for a team that finished 38 games out of first place. Are these players so spoiled, so used to having everything go their way that they think everybody's gonna believe whatever they say all of the time?

G-Fafif Jan 11 2023 11:25 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

That "one team" quote is fabricated. From a parody account -- the Porch (not the Post). [tweet]https://twitter.com/nyporchsport/status/1612863267700981760[/tweet]

batmagadanleadoff Jan 11 2023 11:26 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

Then I take it all back. Except the deGrom stuff.

Centerfield Jan 11 2023 12:00 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

Can't blame Correa if the Mets insisted on yearly physicals following the 6 year guaranteed portion. The missing time clause makes sense. I think either we screwed up here, or Cohen had cold feet and tanked the deal.

Fman99 Jan 11 2023 12:00 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

Whups mah bad

Edgy MD Jan 11 2023 01:35 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

Future star of Manager Carlos Beltran's Kinda-Sorta-Almost-a-Met Squad.

Frayed Knot Jan 11 2023 07:03 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

=Centerfield post_id=116570 time=1673463602 user_id=65] Can't blame Correa if the Mets insisted on yearly physicals following the 6 year guaranteed portion.

Yeah, that sounds too open-ended, that a club could cite almost anything in a physical in an attempt to get out from under a declining player's deal.

roger_that Jan 12 2023 11:44 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

Joe Posnanski's take. First he explains the Giants' botched signing as buyer's remorse and then The Mets are a little bit harder to explain, but again, as a guess — Correa's signing seemed a rash impulse buy from Cohen, not unlike Elon Musk and Twitter. It happened so incredibly fast (and while Cohen was on vacation in Hawaii), and I think when morning came, Cohen was like: “Wait a minute, what have I done here?” When the medical report popped up the way it did, I think Cohen was like: “OK, I still want him, but only on our terms.”

ashie62 Jan 12 2023 03:15 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

Carlos got 200 million for 6 years. Great deal right?

whippoorwill Jan 12 2023 04:22 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

Frayed Knot wrote: =Centerfield post_id=116570 time=1673463602 user_id=65] Can't blame Correa if the Mets insisted on yearly physicals following the 6 year guaranteed portion. Yeah, that sounds too open-ended, that a club could cite almost anything in a physical in an attempt to get out from under a declining player's deal.

Also can't blame the Mets for wanting to do this.



I can't see the guy being worth this money for even six years. So glad it didn't work out

Fman99 Jan 12 2023 07:41 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

I was thinking of the precipitous decline of Albert Pujols over the length of that huge contract he signed to play in Anaheim. Certainly he was, for 3/4 of that deal, vastly overpaid. I am sad he won't be a 2023 Met. I'm not so sad that he won't be a 2034 Met though (at least, not on those terms).

TransMonk Jan 12 2023 09:26 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

I trust the plan on this one.

G-Fafif Jan 12 2023 10:04 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

Article in the Athletic focusing on Byron Burton's relationship with Correa included this nugget: On Jan. 5, Buxton decided to re-engage. He'd previously been involved right before Correa agreed to a 13-year, $350 million contract with San Francisco, but had since stayed at arm's length. Mostly their conversations were about making sure that Correa, whom Buxton had known since they were selected with the first two picks in the 2012 amateur draft, was OK. But then it became obvious to Buxton the Twins might have a chance to sign Correa again. It had been 15 days since Correa agreed to a 12-year, $315 million deal with New York and the process had little momentum. As they discussed the situation, Buxton not only determined Correa wouldn't become a Met any time soon, but he also realized how much the two-time All-Star wanted to rejoin the Twins after spending the 2022 season with the organization. So WTF were we doing continually hitting refresh in search of resolution? Dude wanted to be a Giant. Dude was so happy to be a Met he tackled Boras in euphoria. Dude never really wanted to leave the Twins. It was all a strange dream. https://theathletic.com/4087172/2023/01/12/carlos-correa-byron-buxton/

Fman99 Jan 13 2023 03:39 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

Ceetar posted something interesting to Twitter that I had not read before (and I do not know what the source was) - that the doctor who made his determination for the Mets that questioned his long term viability was the same doctor the Giants used? And that they didn't get a second opinion? Seems kind of nutty to me if that's true and accurate.

roger_that Jan 13 2023 04:36 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

Hey, second opinions cost money. You think the Mets have co-pay dollars just laying around? how much the two-time All-Star wanted to rejoin the Twins after spending the 2022 season with the organization. OK, I'll bite: how much? And why? I get it that $200 mill in hand is more than 157 mill in hand, but why would anyone want to play in a small-market with a much worse record and much less to spend than a megamarket coming off a 100-win season?

Fman99 Jan 13 2023 05:30 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

=roger_that post_id=116691 time=1673609774 user_id=128] Hey, second opinions cost money. You think the Mets have co-pay dollars just laying around? how much the two-time All-Star wanted to rejoin the Twins after spending the 2022 season with the organization. OK, I'll bite: how much? And why? I get it that $200 mill in hand is more than 157 mill in hand, but why would anyone want to play in a small-market with a much worse record and much less to spend than a megamarket coming off a 100-win season?

I think this is one of those cases where the MLB Players' Union forces these guys to always accept the biggest offer, or coerces them anyway. I was talking about this with my wife. Like, would I even really know how to tell the difference between $157 million and $200 million? It's just a bigger pile. Is there something you really want that costs $180 million that you're worried you won't be able to afford?

roger_that Jan 13 2023 07:05 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

the MLB Players' Union forces these guys to always accept the biggest offer, You mean they're not taking into account the way some areas have better school systems?

metsmarathon Jan 13 2023 08:04 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

part of it, too, is a sense of responsibility to those that come after, not to take a pay cut so that those next players can get every dollar they can, too.

Frayed Knot Jan 13 2023 02:55 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

Yes, there's definitely pressure from the union to sign for the biggest bucccs so that the next guy can benefit. This is the concept that the NFLPA never got. The system they agreed to which allows teams to designate FAs with 'Franchise' and 'Transitional' tags (a system the players LOVED when it was implemented) raises a FA's salary towards the upper end of the positional pay scale but specifically leaves it below the top (average of top five at your position I believe). And now that that system is in there they can't get rid of it. Agents, btw, who need to be certified by the MLBPA, also get that pressure - not that they don't already have their own incentives to push things to the max. The other thing is that salary becomes another way for players to keep score. In a business where you want to make the most where you can and while you can, having the highest salary on your team or for your position or in the entire sport itself is a way of validating your career at that moment while hoarding a few bragging rights among your peers at the same time. The original ARod contract w/Texas was for $252 mil which was no accident as it was exactly double the total value of the one the NBA's Kevin Garnett had recently signed which was, at the time, the biggest in American pro sports. That specific number became a goal for Rodriguez/Boras.

The Hot Corner Jan 13 2023 06:31 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

=roger_that post_id=116691 time=1673609774 user_id=128] I get it that $200 mill in hand is more than 157 mill in hand, but why would anyone want to play in a small-market with a much worse record and much less to spend than a megamarket coming off a 100-win season?

Like virtually every other free agent before him, Correa took the most lucrative deal he could get.

G-Fafif Jan 13 2023 09:51 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

Correa speaks — to Rosenthal. Correa: The Giants used an ankle specialist who didn't pass me. Then the Mets used the same specialist, who obviously wasn't going to pass me. He had already given an opinion to another team about my ankle. He was not going to change that. He was going to stand by what he was saying, of course, because that is what he believed. We did have other ankle specialists look at it and say it was going to be fine, orthopedists who know me, even the one who did the surgery on me. They were looking at the functionality of the ankle, the way the ankle has been the past eight years. I've played at an elite level where my movement has never been compromised. It was just a year ago when I won a Platinum Glove at shortstop, one of the most demanding positions, where you have to move the most. But the one doctor that had never touched me or seen me or done a test on me, that was the one who said it wasn't going to be fine. TA: Did everyone in your family just jump on a plane to New York? Correa: We flew back to Houston the next night (after the Giants' news conference was postponed). I dropped them off. Then I flew by myself to New York the first thing the next morning for the physical. (Mets owner) Steve (Cohen) sent his plane. I got on the plane and flew there, did the physical that night. The next morning, I did some blood tests. After that, they took me to Citi Field. I did some extra testing over there. Everything seemed fine. TA: Did you really tackle Scott after learning of the Mets' deal? Correa: Oh yeah, I tackled him. TA: What was that moment like? Correa: I gave my family the news that there was no deal, that we were still free agents. Then all of a sudden, this great dude — I don't think I can curse here, but in baseball terms you'd say this bad m——f—— gets me another deal in a matter of hours. He told me again the same words. “We need to talk. I need you to come to the room.” I was like, “OK, here we go again.” He gave me that news. He was sitting in bed. I just tackled him a little bit. The thing I was most concerned about was having to wait a long time again to get another deal done. What I went through last year with the free-agent process, where the market closed in on me with the lockout and everything, I was concerned that might happen again. TA: Did you talk to (Mets shortstop Francisco) Lindor? Correa: Right away. Forty-five-minute conversation. TA: What was that conversation like? Correa: It was more me talking about how I was OK with playing third base and I was never going to step on his toes. Out of my mouth would never come the words, “I want to play shortstop.” Out of my mouth would never come any form of betrayal toward him. From that moment on, from the moment the deal was agreed on, my mind was set to play third base every single day. That was never going to change. I wanted him to know I would always be loyal. I would always be there for him, whatever he needed. Just making sure we left everything clear. When players of both our calibers play shortstop and there's a change there's always some animosity in there. I wanted to make sure he knew out of the gate I was OK with playing third base. I was going to make the move, no problem. TA: How comfortable were you moving? I know you take a great amount of pride in what you've accomplished at short. Correa: I was comfortable because he's a really good shortstop and a really good player. At this stage of my career, it's all about winning. I do feel like in that case, me moving to third base was going to make the Mets a better team. So I was OK with it. My main focus right now is winning championships. I'm not focused on anything else. TA: Did you do the same thing with the Mets players and coaches that you did with the Giants, talking to everybody? Correa: I did talk to some coaches and some players. But not as many as I did with the Giants. When I (agreed) with the Giants, right away they sent me all the numbers, all the information I asked them to. It was easier for me to connect. The (Mets) players that texted me are the ones I talked to. I never got a chance to speak with Buck (Showalter). He was waiting for it to be official to talk about it. TA: Did you ever speak with Steve Cohen? Correa: Yes I did. (The conversation took place after Correa returned to Houston from San Francisco, and before he left for New York.) TA: What was that like? Correa: He was very happy. He was very excited. I even spoke with his wife. It was a good, fun conversation. He was in Hawaii. He seemed like a really, really nice guy. I definitely enjoyed that conversation. He was just welcoming me and all that. https://theathletic.com/4089872/2023/01/13/carlos-correa-twins-interview/?source=user_shared_article

G-Fafif Jan 15 2023 11:03 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

The Boras version here. After the Mets' physical turned up similar questions surrounding Correa's surgically repaired right ankle – New York consulted with orthopedic specialist Dr. Robert Anderson, the same person who raised concerns during the Giants' examination – Boras was apparently left seething. “I don't understand the Mets,'' Boras told Nightengale. “I gave them all of the information. We had them talk to four doctors. They knew the issue the Giants had. And yet, they still call the same doctor the Giants used for his opinion. There was no new information. So why negotiate a contract if you were going to rely on the same doctor? “It was different with the Giants because a doctor had an opinion they didn't know about. But the Mets had notice of this. They knew the opinion of the Giants. So why did you negotiate when you know this thing in advance?" San Francisco did not re-engage with talks after their physical, but the Mets attempted to find a solution. And Nightengale wrote that Boras offered language in the contract to protect New York: the contract would be reduced if the right ankle injury forced Correa to miss more than 60 days and the contract could be voided if he spent more than 120 days on the injured list over a two-year period. And if Correa finished the season on IL, he would be given a physical “to determine if they wanted to part ways.”

Edgy MD Jan 15 2023 11:14 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

I can see the sense in it. Before making a big decision, hearing from someone who's bullish and hearing from someone who is bearish certainly is justified. Beyond that, knowing the decision the Giants made is not the same as knowing all the information that fed into it. I can understand why an agent wouldn't like it, but interests naturally diverge.

Marshmallowmilkshake Jan 18 2023 05:46 AM Re: Holy @#%$!

Mike Puma, when he wants to, can turn a phrase. Carlos Correa opted for the Land of 10,000 Lakes over Flushing Bay, leaving the Mets' lineup without a big winter splash. But general manager Billy Eppler doesn't necessarily share his boss' view that another hitter was needed this offseason.

MFS62 Feb 03 2023 02:29 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

Heyman reporting that one doctor said Correa's ankle was the worst he had ever seen. https://metsmerizedonline.com/heyman-doctor-suggested-correa-has-worst-ankle-hes-seen/ Not sure why this came out NOW. Possible reasons I can think of: The Mets shifting the blame to the doctor if Correa has a good career. The Mets setting up an "I told you so" if he gets inured. Heyman needing to fill up print space until Spring Training starts. Later

G-Fafif Jul 29 2023 06:02 PM Re: Holy @#%$!

=Centerfield post_id=115215 time=1671615491 user_id=65] Guys. We got Correa.