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IGT 5-7-06 Mets vs Braves LIMA TIME! BEEEEEEE-LIVE IT!

SteveJRogers May 07 2006 11:00 AM

Last time we play the Braves untill July 28th. Plenty of Phillies coming up though, who are the current 2nd place team and after today will be the team to focus on! How great is it to say that, going forward into the summer the two top NL East squads do not include the Barfs!

Gwreck May 07 2006 12:55 PM

Atlanta Marcus Giles 2B Edgar Renteria SS Larry Jones 3B Adam LaRoche 1B Jeff Francoeur RF Brian McCann C Brian Jordan LF Ryan Langerhans CF John Smoltz P Mets Reyes LoDuca Beltran Delgado Wright Floyd Nady Matsui Jose Lima P

GYC May 07 2006 01:08 PM

Cmon, Lima Time!™, help us out today.

OlerudOwned May 07 2006 01:10 PM

OlerudOwned May 07 2006 01:12 PM

Well, at least he throws strikes.

OlerudOwned May 07 2006 01:18 PM

Lima retires the side in the first, and everyone made it through alive.

GYC May 07 2006 01:23 PM

Nice to see the blue hats and white uniforms.

SteveJRogers May 07 2006 01:23 PM

="OlerudOwned"] BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-LIVE IT!

Zvon May 07 2006 01:24 PM

its nice to have someone like Lima to go to at a time like this. (maybe not a game vs Atl, but a game where Mets pitching is in a bit of a fix) At least he's got some MLB experience.

SteveJRogers May 07 2006 01:24 PM

Yes I might be doing that often today

SteveJRogers May 07 2006 01:25 PM

Zvon wrote: its nice to have someone like Lima to go to at a time like this. (maybe not a game vs Atl, but a game where Mets pitching is in a bit of a fix) At least he's got some MLB experience. He does have the only Dodger postseason win since Orel Hershiser was kneeling on the Oakland-Alameda mound in celebration

OlerudOwned May 07 2006 01:28 PM

Damn, someone put some caffine into Wright.

Zvon May 07 2006 01:29 PM

="GYC"]Nice to see the blue hats and white uniforms. agreed

Bret Sabermetric May 07 2006 01:30 PM

OlerudOwned wrote: Damn, someone put some caffine into Wright. Or stick a needle of juice into his ass. Something. He looked awful on that inning-ending swing.

GYC May 07 2006 01:34 PM

Bullshit on the balk.

OlerudOwned May 07 2006 01:37 PM

Matsui actually makes a nice play getting to a ball...and then botches the exchange.

Zvon May 07 2006 01:37 PM

GYC wrote: Bullshit on the balk. agreed. And Matsui!awwwwwwwwww....well, he stopped it. Run dont score.

OlerudOwned May 07 2006 01:37 PM

Dammit LoDuca, that's the wrong way to change the umps mind.

Zvon May 07 2006 01:38 PM

OMG! LoDuca pulls a Cone! I think he was tossed!!

Bret Sabermetric May 07 2006 01:38 PM

They're scoring that a hit? That explains Matsui's defensive stats.

Zvon May 07 2006 01:39 PM

AND COX GETS TOSSED!HAHAHAHA

OlerudOwned May 07 2006 01:40 PM

LoDuca ejected for freaking out after the bad call (he tagged him out). Cox ejected for arguing because Smoltz was sent back to 1st. Weird ass play.

GYC May 07 2006 01:40 PM

Fuck you, Angel Hernandez. Piece of shit. Worst fucking umpire in the game.

Nymr83 May 07 2006 01:41 PM

seriously, why is this piece of shit still umping? there is no excuse for MLB not firing this guy years ago

Bret Sabermetric May 07 2006 01:43 PM

Hernandez threw LoDuca out of the game as soon as he spiked the ball--doesn't that mean the ball is dead from that second on? Can you continue to pick up a ball and make plays if you've been thrown out of the game? I don';t think so.

Zvon May 07 2006 01:43 PM

that was wack! LoDuca spikes the ball! lol Losing LoDucas bat is bad, but we arent in bad shape....Castros no slouch.

TransMonk May 07 2006 01:43 PM

Horseshit call, LoDuca tagged him twice. Never should have been an issue because of the blown balk call before the inning ending double play.

Zvon May 07 2006 01:44 PM

Bret Sabermetric wrote: Hernandez threw LoDuca out of the game as soon as he spiked the ball--doesn't that mean the ball is dead from that second on? Can you continue to pick up a ball and make plays if you've been thrown out of the game? I don';t think so. you may have something there. The play is then dead

GYC May 07 2006 01:44 PM

Lo Duca should have thrown the ball at Hernandez's face. This inning should be over.

Zvon May 07 2006 01:47 PM

Bret Sabermetric wrote: Hernandez threw LoDuca out of the game as soon as he spiked the ball- and Hernandez didnt hesitate. LoDucu didnt even have time to get the YOU! out when he shouted FUCK-

GYC May 07 2006 01:47 PM

Protest the game.

DocTee May 07 2006 01:51 PM

Lo Duca was hot from the balk call-- watch the way he fires the ball back to Lima shortly after that BS. Not surprised he exploded at all.

Zvon May 07 2006 01:53 PM

Zvon wrote: ="Bret Sabermetric"]Hernandez threw LoDuca out of the game as soon as he spiked the ball--doesn't that mean the ball is dead from that second on? Can you continue to pick up a ball and make plays if you've been thrown out of the game? I don';t think so. you may have something there. The play is then dead does anyone know the actual rule for this? When a player is tossed isnt the play dead? Why no argument from the mets there?.Can anyone confirm if that rule applies?

Bret Sabermetric May 07 2006 01:54 PM

Matsui back under .250 again. That didn't take long.

OlerudOwned May 07 2006 01:55 PM

Zvon wrote: Zvon wrote: ="Bret Sabermetric"]Hernandez threw LoDuca out of the game as soon as he spiked the ball--doesn't that mean the ball is dead from that second on? Can you continue to pick up a ball and make plays if you've been thrown out of the game? I don';t think so. you may have something there. The play is then dead does anyone know the actual rule for this? When a player is tossed isnt the play dead? Why no argument from the mets there?.Can anyone confirm if that rule applies? Wait, I thought they DID call the play dead. Isn't that why Cox was ejected?

Zvon May 07 2006 01:56 PM

OlerudOwned wrote: ="Zvon"] ="Zvon"] ="Bret Sabermetric"]Hernandez threw LoDuca out of the game as soon as he spiked the ball--doesn't that mean the ball is dead from that second on? Can you continue to pick up a ball and make plays if you've been thrown out of the game? I don';t think so. you may have something there. The play is then dead does anyone know the actual rule for this? When a player is tossed isnt the play dead? Why no argument from the mets there?.Can anyone confirm if that rule applies? Wait, I thought they DID call the play dead. Isn't that why Cox was ejected? oh---i think you are correct. I got caught up in the rucus. I even spiked my mouse :S

Zvon May 07 2006 01:58 PM

Whered Lima get that Harpo Marx wig?

Zvon May 07 2006 02:00 PM

Anti-Kaboom. Jordon eeks one over the fence.

OlerudOwned May 07 2006 02:00 PM

Jordan homers, 3-0 Atlanta. Lima time may not be the second coming.

Zvon May 07 2006 02:06 PM

OlerudOwned May 07 2006 02:07 PM

Beltran is on a power trip. Soloshot. 3-1 Atlanta

KC May 07 2006 02:08 PM

Re: the dead ball issue, I was in the car when they said Eddie C. asked the official scorer who wasn't sure but they asked an ump who was in the booth with him and the ump said LoDuca was still eligible to make the play? Weird stuff. Can't wait to see the replay.

Bret Sabermetric May 07 2006 02:14 PM

These guys are outdoing each other for verbal ineptness. Hernandez says he remembers Jim Hickman playing for the Giants, which he never did, and then Gary opines that Hickman was the Mets' first HR hitter, forgetting about Frank Thomas.

Zvon May 07 2006 02:17 PM

Bret Sabermetric wrote: These guys are outdoing each other for verbal ineptness. Hernandez says he remembers Jim Hickman playing for the Giants, which he never did, and then Gary opines that Hickman was the Mets' first HR hitter, forgetting about Frank Thomas. these days they just rush to fill the air. Like Colbert says, "the facts?, they dont matter on my show."

Centerfield May 07 2006 02:18 PM

Keith's prize was him remembering trying to get the ball from David Cone despite the fact the play took place after he retired.

mlbaseballtalk May 07 2006 02:19 PM

Zvon wrote: ="Bret Sabermetric"]These guys are outdoing each other for verbal ineptness. Hernandez says he remembers Jim Hickman playing for the Giants, which he never did, and then Gary opines that Hickman was the Mets' first HR hitter, forgetting about Frank Thomas. these days they just rush to fill the air. Like Colbert says, "the facts?, they dont matter on my show." Blame it on whomever is their Chris Majokowski (the WFAN facts runner) for not leaving the Mets media guide or a recent baseball encylopedia, or having baseball-reference.com at their fingertips

mlbaseballtalk May 07 2006 02:20 PM

Centerfield wrote: Keith's prize was him remembering trying to get the ball from David Cone despite the fact the play took place after he retired. I thought that was in 1988?

Centerfield May 07 2006 02:20 PM

Gary says it was in 91 or 92.

OlerudOwned May 07 2006 02:21 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 07 2006 02:21 PM

Are you schizophrenic or something? (Directed to SteveJbaseballtalk, not you CF)

Zvon May 07 2006 02:21 PM

wow-Zambrano out for the season. Anyone see Baseball Tonight last night?--with the talk of the Milledge/Zito trade? It was great-they are all saying the Mets gotta do it and they get Cliffy on the phone for support and he says "NO!" "The Mets dont have to do that and shouldnt. Bring up Pelfry."

mlbaseballtalk May 07 2006 02:25 PM

Centerfield wrote: Gary says it was in 91 or 92. I'm off as well: April 30, 1990 [url]http://www.brainyhistory.com/events/1990/april_30_1990_163530.html[/url]

mlbaseballtalk May 07 2006 02:26 PM

OlerudOwned wrote: Are you schizophrenic or something? (Directed to SteveJbaseballtalk, not you CF) No, I just want the LeRoy Niemann Seaver painting to be up on my SJR posts for a little while longer I like it better than the Seaver post that this handle got, that one that was done when Seaver was a Red

Zvon May 07 2006 02:32 PM

I do believe Keith just called Lima a loosy goosy. That bat boy has slower reflexes than my dearly departed grandmother. Costs us a run as the Braves score on a sac fly following that stooled triple..

Nymr83 May 07 2006 02:49 PM

wow BULLSHIT strike 3 on Castro, Angel Hernandez must really hate the Mets.

Nymr83 May 07 2006 03:00 PM

well thats that. message to willie: please don't use a pitcher we care about the rest of the way.

OlerudOwned May 07 2006 03:13 PM

Floyd's most effective means of getting on base right now is getting hit with pitches.

Nymr83 May 07 2006 03:18 PM

Renteria drilled. Benches warned.

Rotblatt May 07 2006 03:19 PM

Bret Sabermetric wrote: They're scoring that a hit? That explains Matsui's defensive stats. Are you fucking serious, Bret? I mean, you did watch that play, right?

Zvon May 07 2006 03:24 PM

Nymr83 wrote: message to willie: please don't use a pitcher we care about the rest of the way. message from willie: which pitchers dont you care about? Ill warm em all up. OMG--Nady pulls a boner (I mean that in a non gay way). That was just a horrible misplay. Awful. Maybe thatll get Smoltz tired, all that going from base to base to home plate. And what a feakiy heads up play by Fortunato on that Chipper squiggler. gets the guy rounding 3rd. Wow--Ive never seen a play quite like that one before. Francouer knocks one in with a single, and we are gettin WHUPPED folks. 10-1 Braves.

Nymr83 May 07 2006 03:26 PM

Fortunato pulled, pretty horrible that he couldn't even eat these blowout innings up. personally i'd have left him in. its already 10-1 so what do i care if he makes it 14-1? he's going down tommorow anyway

mlbaseballtalk May 07 2006 03:27 PM

Someone better grab a photo from today's game quick before Lima joins Bob Gibson on top of Yancy's "UMDB's Most Wanted List" in terms of blue caps. Got a feeling his Met career is one-and-done

OlerudOwned May 07 2006 03:28 PM

Thank god there's an NHL playoff game on. This is brutal.

mlbaseballtalk May 07 2006 03:28 PM

Lima Time is up... BEEEEEEEEEE-LIVE IT!

mlbaseballtalk May 07 2006 03:29 PM

So is Feliciano Time!

Zvon May 07 2006 03:31 PM Edited 2 time(s), most recently on May 07 2006 03:43 PM

Zvon turning point of the game©: j/k, but it set the tone for the day.

Gwreck May 07 2006 03:32 PM

I don't think we're going to have the best bullpen ERA anymore after that craptacular performance from Bartolome.

OlerudOwned May 07 2006 03:33 PM

They just need a touchdown, a recovered onside kick, and a hail mary.

mlbaseballtalk May 07 2006 03:34 PM

="Zvon"]Zvon turning point of the game©: j/k, but it set the tone for the day. Too shadowy for a grab by Yancy though 17? Lima took 17?

Zvon May 07 2006 03:39 PM

mlbaseballtalk wrote: Too shadowy for a grab by Yancy though 17? Lima took 17? I added another. Yancy needs a Lima pic?

Zvon May 07 2006 03:40 PM

mlbaseballtalk May 07 2006 03:41 PM

Zvon wrote: ="mlbaseballtalk"] Too shadowy for a grab by Yancy though 17? Lima took 17? I added another. Yancy needs a Lima pic? No clue, just trying to help

mlbaseballtalk May 07 2006 03:42 PM

Right now Lima's mug shot on UMDB is just a pitching Mr. Met and his qualifications is an all blue cap, all pics of I've seen of Lima as a Met are in the black & blue cap or in the ST cap

Zvon May 07 2006 03:44 PM

mlbaseballtalk wrote: Right now Lima's mug shot on UMDB is just a pitching Mr. Met thats never a good sign. ;)

mlbaseballtalk May 07 2006 03:46 PM

Zvon wrote: ="mlbaseballtalk"]Right now Lima's mug shot on UMDB is just a pitching Mr. Met thats never a good sign. ;) HA, especially considering Lima's place in the game, wouldn't want him to be the pitching version of Larry Bowa for Yancy!

mlbaseballtalk May 07 2006 03:58 PM

Better explain that since it seems that this IGT has gone quiet in case anyone doesn't know, but it doesn't seem many photos exist of a 1985 late season accquition, Larry Bowa, and unlike many in Yancy's "Most Wanted List" Larry was the one with the most Major League noteritiy, being an multiple time all-star and postseason performer with those great late 70's-early 80's Phillie teams. So it became a "White Whale" project until it was noticed that Larry's card in the Mets 1991 All-Time-Roster card set was online at MetsCollectors.com last summer. I'll take Bowa's career over Lima's, but Lima has some noteritity and success over the years, All Star, a 20 win season and is a "colorful character" so his page at UMDB will get a bunch of hits, which is how the Most Wanted Rankings is deterimined. Right now Bob Gibson heads that list based, probably on people searching for the Hall of Famer Bob Gibson, not the one-and-done 1987 Met Bob Gibson And since today's game fufills Yancy's "Blue Cap" requirement, its a great opportunity to cross Jose Lima off that list!

Zvon May 07 2006 04:04 PM

mlbaseballtalk wrote: And since today's game fufills Yancy's "Blue Cap" requirement, its a great opportunity to cross Jose Lima off that list! That pic should fit the (blue) bill.

Zvon May 07 2006 04:06 PM

Personally, id use this one:

OlerudOwned May 07 2006 04:07 PM

It's certainly an apt way to sum up his Mets career to date.

Zvon May 07 2006 04:12 PM

I still think it was nice to have Lima, here, for this spot, on this day. He did eat up a start at a time we needed a starter more than a win. Hey! Maybe the Braves will make 13 errors in this inning and help us out.

Zvon May 07 2006 04:19 PM

ahhh.....finally put out of my misery. Well, we took 2 out of three. I like the way we messed up the Braves rotation with the long game Friday, and if Maine didnt go laime it could have worked in our favor. But thats the way the ball bounces. Its on to Philly with a nice lil lead in the NL East.

cooby May 07 2006 04:20 PM

Just curious as to why you guys think this is Lima's only shot. It's not like Bannister is all better and Zambrano is gone

Zvon May 07 2006 04:27 PM

cooby wrote: Just curious as to why you guys think this is Lima's only shot. It's not like Bannister is all better and Zambrano is gone I wouldnt mind Lima long out of the pen, but I dunno about him filling a gap in the rotation. Im not adverse to taking another look at him in that role. Bannister should be back in a week. I hear theres no chance of Heilman coming out of the pen to start. But right now, no matter how we fill it, theres a hole in the rotation.

Gwreck May 07 2006 04:33 PM

="cooby"]Just curious as to why you guys think this is Lima's only shot. It's not like Bannister is all better and Zambrano is gone I'm fairly certain that Bannister is better. If nothing else, he's much more deserving of the spot than Jose Lima. I know he has ML-experience. I know he won 20 games once, but Lima has a well-documented history of ineptitude and disaster. Why bother when we can try rookies who won't be any worse, and will get some experience to boot?

GYC May 07 2006 04:35 PM

="Gwreck"] ="cooby"]Just curious as to why you guys think this is Lima's only shot. It's not like Bannister is all better and Zambrano is gone I'm fairly certain that Bannister is better. If nothing else, he's much more deserving of the spot than Jose Lima. I know he has ML-experience. I know he won 20 games once, but Lima has a well-documented history of ineptitude and disaster. Why bother when we can try rookies who won't be any worse, and will get some experience to boot? I think she meant health wise.

OlerudOwned May 07 2006 04:36 PM

="Gwreck"] ="cooby"]Just curious as to why you guys think this is Lima's only shot. It's not like Bannister is all better and Zambrano is gone I'm fairly certain that Bannister is better. If nothing else, he's much more deserving of the spot than Jose Lima. I know he has ML-experience. I know he won 20 games once, but Lima has a well-documented history of ineptitude and disaster. Why bother when we can try rookies who won't be any worse, and will get some experience to boot? I think she meant better as in ready to come off the DL. Most of us seem in agreeance that Bannister is superior to Lima at this point, but if Bannister ain't healthy, Jose is all we got. EDIT: Beaten to the punch.

cooby May 07 2006 04:45 PM

Yeah, that's what I meant

mlbaseballtalk May 07 2006 06:03 PM

cooby wrote: Just curious as to why you guys think this is Lima's only shot. It's not like Bannister is all better and Zambrano is gone I was also speculating that this could be Lima's only time in a blue cap as well. You know, now that I think of it, when was the last time the Mets wore their all blue caps on the road?

Yancy Street Gang May 07 2006 06:14 PM

I would guess 1997.

Bret Sabermetric May 07 2006 07:23 PM

Rotblatt wrote: ="Bret Sabermetric"]They're scoring that a hit? That explains Matsui's defensive stats. Are you fucking serious, Bret? I mean, you did watch that play, right? Totally serious. That was a home-team pure-pity ruling. All he did was range far to his right, a play any decent (not even Gold Glove) 2b man makes every game, but he failed to handle it cleanly. Normally, that gets scored E-4. I think the Great Scorer was so astonished that Matsui, with his postage-stamp-sized range (better to his left than to his right, for some reason) even got to it, that he figured that actually catching it was de trop. Anyway, let's get to bench management issues. To do so, we'll need to find the WWSB thread.

Frayed Knot May 07 2006 11:30 PM

When someone hits the ground and loses the ball while rolling over there's no way that's an error. btw, re: Angel Hernandez: (from the Yahoo story connected with the PotG boxscore) "After the game, both Lima and Lo Duca said that Hernandez told them that he was calling pitches farther off the plate strikes for Smoltz, but not for Lima. "When the umpire said 'I'm going to give you a couple of inches off the plate, but I'm not going to give you 4-5 inches because you're not John Smoltz,' I'm trying to protect my pitcher," Lo Duca said." I can't belive an ump would actually say that.

Elster88 May 08 2006 10:36 AM

Funny stuff, especially the second to last line. [url]http://faithandfear.blogharbor.com/blog/_archives/2006/5/7/1939231.html[/url] We may come back for the sweep (after the last couple of days I won't put anything past this team) or we may wind up dropping the finale, but one thing's for sure: We'll still be talking about that top of the second. Even before the zaniness began, we'd seen one of the rarest plays in baseball, the kind you can win bar bets on: What's the only situation in which a baseball team can, in effect, decline a penalty? When a ball is put into play on a balk: The team at bat can either take the balk or the outcome of the play. The Braves did no such thing, but if Jordan had hit the ball up the middle, they certainly would have. So much for our double play (nicely turned, too), and a sure sign that we were entering Goofyland. I doubt Paul Lo Duca knows about the spring night David Cone became too occupied with screaming at an umpire to consider that runners were continuing to circle the bases. Of course that was against the Braves, on April 30, 1990. I also doubt Lo Duca remembers the hideous summer day that ended with Michael Tucker gouging Mike Piazza's thigh and getting a ridiculous safe call from Angel Hernandez, the worst umpire in the major leagues. Also against the Braves, natch. A demented mash-up of those two infamous calls? Well, it would have to be against the Braves. And Angel Hernandez would have to be manning home plate. So there was Lo Duca and there was Brian McCann being called safe -- it pains me to say that it looked like the right call. There was Lo Duca firing a live ball into the earth (Coney just held it while Gregg Jefferies tried desperately to get his attention), so mad you could almost see the cartoon lightning bolts zipping out of his head, with Ryan Langerhans taking advantage of his largesse to take third. Who was at the plate? John Smoltz. Who was the opposing pitcher on April 30, 1990? John Smoltz. Who pays Michael Tucker's salary these days? The Mets. If they'd panned up to a luxury box and found Mark Lemke, Dale Murphy, John Franco, Cone and Jefferies shaking their heads, I wouldn't have been a bit surprised. Baseball: It's even crazier than you think it is.

Bret Sabermetric May 08 2006 10:43 AM

I think (no one has suggested it) that the ball Lo Duca fired bounced off Hernandez's foot: how else do you throw a ball forward and have it bounce behind you? 'm thinking the pain was what pissed Hernandez off so fast: fire a baseball at my foot, and I'm bouncing you out of the game without thinking about it very much. In fact, even thinking about Iit a little, YE'RE OUTTA HERE!!!

OlerudOwned May 08 2006 07:30 PM

Bret Sabermetric wrote: I think (no one has suggested it) that the ball Lo Duca fired bounced off Hernandez's foot: how else do you throw a ball forward and have it bounce behind you? Backspin? As soon as that ball left LoDuca's hand, he was gone.

seawolf17 May 08 2006 07:33 PM

Great photo.