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Johnny Dickshot May 02 2006 08:30 AM

Tempting fate here, but the ’06 Mets after 25 games are tied for the third-winningest 25-game start in Met history, or among the top 90some percent of all met teams ever. I'll try to keep this updated periodically, but here are Met wins after 25 games: 20 wins 1986 19 wins Never achieved 18 wins 1988, 1972 17 wins 1985, 2006 16 wins 1971, 1999 15 wins 1984, 1991, 1992, 2000, 2002 14 wins 1989 13 wins 1970, 1987, 1998 12 wins 1973, 1982, 1990, 1994, 2005 11 wins 1966, 1968, 1969, 1975, 1978, 1996, 1997, 2003 10 wins 1963, 1967, 1974, 1977, 1995, 2001, 2004 9 wins 1965, 1979, 1980, 1993, 8 wins 1981, 1983 7 wins 1962 6 wins 1964

SteveJRogers May 02 2006 09:08 AM

Two of those years were 100 + years, 1972 followed two straight 81 win seasons in a horrid division

Benjamin Grimm May 02 2006 09:11 AM

That 1972 team could've done so much better. It was a better team than the one that won the pennant the following year. Now it can serve us as a cautionary tale for 2006. There's still a long way to go in this season. It's great that the Mets have jumped out to this kind of start, but we're a far way from clinching anything. The magic number is 132.

Johnny Dickshot May 02 2006 09:28 AM

Several injuries derailed the '72 train, but the big one was Rusty's broken wrist. He was basically the team's best hitter that year.

Edgy DC May 02 2006 10:00 AM

Duffy Dyer did the majority of catching in 1972, and, if you believe Win Shares, was the team's MVP among non-pitchers (maybe even including pitchers, if I recall correctly, which is, of course, wrong). Did Grote lose his job through injury or poor play.

Johnny Dickshot May 19 2006 09:25 AM

at the 40-game mark, the 06 Mets are 5 games back from the pace of the 72ers, 86ers and 88ers. Playoff teams in italics. Team W L PCT. GB 72 Mets 29 11 .725 -- 86 Mets 29 11 .725 -- 88 Mets 29 11 .725 -- 71 Mets 25 15 .625 4 85 Mets 25 15 .625 4 06 Mets 24 16 .600 5 76 Mets 22 18 .550 7 82 Mets 22 18 .550 7 84 Mets 22 18 .550 7 89 Mets 22 18 .550 7 91 Mets 22 18 .550 7 92 Mets 22 18 .550 7 99 Mets 22 18 .550 7 75 Mets 21 19 .525 8 98 Mets 21 19 .525 8 02 Mets 21 19 .525 8 05 Mets 21 19 .525 8 73 Mets 20 20 .500 9 94 Mets 20 20 .500 9 97 Mets 20 20 .500 9 00 Mets 20 20 .500 9 70 Mets 19 21 .475 10 87 Mets 19 21 .475 10 90 Mets 19 21 .475 10 04 Mets 19 21 .475 10 68 Mets 18 22 .450 11 69 Mets 18 22 .450 11 74 Mets 18 22 .450 11 78 Mets 18 22 .450 11 80 Mets 18 22 .450 11 96 Mets 17 23 .425 12 03 Mets 17 23 .425 12 63 Mets 16 24 .400 13 66 Mets 16 24 .400 13 95 Mets 16 24 .400 13 65 Mets 15 25 .375 14 77 Mets 15 25 .375 14 79 Mets 15 25 .375 14 83 Mets 15 25 .375 14 01 Mets 15 25 .375 14 67 Mets 14 26 .350 15 81 Mets 14 26 .350 15 93 Mets 14 26 .350 15 62 Mets 12 28 .300 17 64 Mets 12 28 .300 17

Frayed Knot May 19 2006 10:52 AM

The three best 40-game marks were better than our worst 40-game mark. Wouldn'ta thunk that.

Johnny Dickshot Jun 10 2006 07:10 AM

At the 60-game mark, the Mets have fallen further off the pace from the 86ers, but so has every other team. The 06ers in the meantime have leaped over the struggling 88ers and slow-fading 71ers to become, along with 1972ers, the third-best Met team in history after 60 games. Playoff qualifyers in bold. No time to do all the teams.... TEAM W L PCT GB Last 10 1986 Mets 44 16 .733 -- 9-1 1988 Mets 38 22 .633 6 4-6 2006 Mets 37 23 .617 7 6-4 1972 Mets 37 23 .617 7 4-6 1971 Mets 35 25 .583 9 5-5 1998 Mets 35 25 .583 9 5-5 1984 Mets 34 26 .567 10 5-5 2000 Mets 34 26 .567 10 7-3 1997 Mets 33 27 .550 11 5-5 1969 Mets 33 27 .550 11 7-3 1985 Mets 33 27 .550 11 3-7 Note: the 1973 Mets, who also qualified for the postseason, are in the middle third of the remainders at 28-32...

Elster88 Jun 10 2006 09:44 AM

Where's 1999?

Frayed Knot Jun 10 2006 03:32 PM

Not 'mongst the best 60-game starts I would suppose. Remember that was the year we started 27-28 before Phillips axed several of Bobby's coaches during a weekend series vs the MFY. We then won the Sunday game which started a run where we went 40-15. So I'm guessing the 60-game mark that year was no better than 32-28

The Big O Jun 11 2006 02:43 AM

Frayed Knot wrote: Not 'mongst the best 60-game starts I would suppose. Remember that was the year we started 27-28 before Phillips axed several of Bobby's coaches during a weekend series vs the MFY. We then won the Sunday game which started a run where we went 40-15. So I'm guessing the 60-game mark that year was no better than 32-28 FK's on the ball. It was 31-29: http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/NYM/1999_sched.shtml

Willets Point Jul 18 2006 01:14 PM

Bump.

Giant Squidlike Creature Aug 23 2006 11:43 AM

Bump, but it's the last time.

Frayed Knot Aug 25 2006 08:56 AM

OK, here's the belated comparisons for the 100 & 120 game marks: After 100 Games: TEAM W L PCT GB 1986 Mets 68 32 .680 -- 1988 Mets 60 40 .600 8 2006 Mets 59 41 .590 9 1990 Mets 59 41 .590 9 1984 Mets 59 41 .590 9 1985 Mets 59 41 .590 9 1997 Mets 57 43 .570 11 1993 Mets 35 65 .350 33 1965 Mets 32 68 .320 36 1963 Mets 32 68 .320 36 1964 Mets 30 70 .300 38 1962 Mets 26 74 .260 42 And for the 120 Game mark: TEAM W L PCT GB 1986 Mets 79 41 .658 -- 1985 Mets 73 47 .608 6 1999 Mets 73 47 .608 6 2006 Mets 72 48 .600 7 2000 Mets 71 49 .592 8 1988 Mets 71 49 .592 8 1969 Mets 68 52 .567 11 1993 Mets 42 78 .350 37 1963 Mets 39 81 .325 40 1964 Mets 37 83 .308 42 1965 Mets 36 84 .300 43 1962 Mets 30 90 .250 49

Johnny Dickshot Aug 25 2006 10:27 AM

Thanks. I mean to update this thing at round numbers but always remember at odd times. By the way, today we're at a current win% that would equal exactly 100 wins at seasons end (or almost exactly, like 100.1something). And we're just four more wins from assuring a better-than 500 record.

Diamond Dad Aug 25 2006 11:19 AM It's Amazing

the 2006 team is doing this without the kind of starting pitching that the '86 team had. The '86 Mets starters had the following records at season's end: Gooden -- 17-6 Ojeda -- 18-5 Darling -- 15-6 Fernandez -- 16-6 Aguillera -- 10-7 By contrast, the current 2006 Mets: Glavine -- 12-6 Martinez - 9-5 Trachsel - 13-5 nobody else will get as many as 10 wins

MFS62 Aug 25 2006 11:39 AM

]nobody else will get as many as 10 wins Orlando Hernandez has 9 wins. You don't think he will get at least one more? Later

Methead Aug 25 2006 11:43 AM

Great thread... I have no idea how I noticed it for this first time today.

SteveJRogers Aug 25 2006 04:33 PM

With 36 games left, the Mets have to go 22-14 to win 100 games this year

SteveJRogers Aug 25 2006 04:46 PM

Two more wins and this years team joins the 80 Win Season list 1969 100-62 .617 1st NLEast, NL Champs, World Champs 1970 83-79 .512 3rd NLEast 1971 83-79 .512 3rd NLEast 1972 83-73 .532 3rd NLEast 1973 82-79 .509 1st NLEast, NL Champs 1975 82-80 .506 3rd NLEast 1976 86-76 .531 3rd NLEast 1984 90-72 .556 2nd NLEast 1985 98-64 .605 2nd NLEast 1986 108-54 .667 1st NLEast, NL Champs, World Champs 1987 92-70 .568 2nd NLEast 1988 100-60 .625 1st NLEast 1989 87-75 .537 2nd NLEast 1990 91-71 .562 2nd NLEast 1997 88-74 .543 3rd NLEast 1998 88-74 .543 2nd NLEast 1999 97-66 .595 2nd NLEast, NL Wild Card 2000 94-68 .580 2nd NL East, NL Wild Card, NL Champs 2001 82-80 .506 3rd NLEast 2005 83-79 .512 3rd NLEast Boy, the over .500 seasons tend to come in bunches for this franchise!

SteveJRogers Sep 02 2006 08:28 PM

Climbing the All-Time Winning Season List. Now at 14th 1986 108-54 .667 1st NLEast, NL Champs, World Champs 1969 100-62 .617 1st NLEast, NL Champs, World Champs 1988 100-60 .625 1st NLEast 1985 98-64 .605 2nd NLEast 1999 97-66 .595 2nd NLEast, NL Wild Card 2000 94-68 .580 2nd NL East, NL Wild Card, NL Champs 1987 92-70 .568 2nd NLEast 1990 91-71 .562 2nd NLEast 1984 90-72 .556 2nd NLEast 1997 88-74 .543 3rd NLEast 1998 88-74 .543 2nd NLEast 1989 87-75 .537 2nd NLEast 1976 86-76 .531 3rd NLEast *2006 84-50 .627 1stNLEast (28 games left in the regular season)

Edgy DC Sep 11 2006 06:05 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 12 2006 08:58 AM

The 1986 Mets have clinched at least a tie for the best Met record ever.

soupcan Sep 12 2006 08:21 AM

'86ers are safe.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 12 2006 08:33 AM

I think Keith Hernandez is secretly pleased. In fact, I'm pretty sure he is pleased. The only thing I'm not sure of is whether he's kept it a secret or not.

SteveJRogers Sep 13 2006 08:50 PM

1986 108-54 .667 1st NLEast, NL Champs, World Champs 1969 100-62 .617 1st NLEast, NL Champs, World Champs 1988 100-60 .625 1st NLEast 1985 98-64 .605 2nd NLEast 1999 97-66 .595 2nd NLEast, NL Wild Card 2000 94-68 .580 2nd NL East, NL Wild Card, NL Champs 1987 92-70 .568 2nd NLEast 1990 91-71 .562 2nd NLEast 1984 90-72 .556 2nd NLEast *2006 90-55 .621 1st NLEast (17 games left in the regular season) Top Ten seasons in Met History are now ALL 90 or more win seasons!

SteveJRogers Sep 13 2006 09:15 PM

10-7 gets us to 100 Right now I'm more concerned with the 2 or 1 win that clinches the darn division, but here is the schedule the rest of the way: 9/15-9/17 at Pittsburgh 9/18-9/21 vs Flordia 9/22-9/25 vs Washington 9/26-9/28 at Atlanta 9/29-10/1 at Washington Thursday the 14th is our only Day Off in between now and the end of the regular season. I would love to see 100, but with the lack of days off I'm thinking that Willie will be doing more experimentation for 2007 and resting players for October than actually winning after the division is finally clinched. Granted Florida is the only SERIOUS contender left, and I'm wondering if dropping 2 to the Mets didn't take alot out of their sails. Possbility that the Braves "surge" back into the WC race by the time we get down there as well (though the way they've played against the Phils, it looks like they have started thinking about winter plans), and it won't have the same feel September in Atlanta usually does for the Mets This should be interesting to watch though

SteveJRogers Sep 18 2006 08:19 PM

1986 108-54 .667 1st NLEast, NL Champs, World Champs 1969 100-62 .617 1st NLEast, NL Champs, World Champs 1988 100-60 .625 1st NLEast 1985 98-64 .605 2nd NLEast 1999 97-66 .595 2nd NLEast, NL Wild Card 2000 94-68 .580 2nd NL East, NL Wild Card, NL Champs 1987 92-70 .568 2nd NLEast 1990 91-71 .562 2nd NLEast *2006 91-58 .611 1st NLEast (12 games left in the regular season) Slim margin for error for the 3rd 100 win season. 11-1 gets it done. While it is mostly the Nats and Braves rest of the way, I wouldn't be surprised if starting Tuesday Willie starts doing experimentation for 2007

Valadius Sep 18 2006 08:21 PM

Humber, perhaps?

Benjamin Grimm Sep 29 2006 12:19 PM

The Mets will go into the playoffs with only two 10-game winners on their pitching staff, the fewest ever for a Mets team that made the postseason. The 1969 team had only three, by the way.

Johnny Dickshot Sep 29 2006 12:33 PM

John Lackey, 2002: 18 GS, 108 IP, 3.66 ERA, 5.73 K/9, 2.74 BB/9, 0.8 HR/9 --2-0 in the postseason, inc. Game 7 of the WS John Maine, 2005: 15 GS, 84 IP, 3.64 ERA, 7.29 K//9, 3.2 BB/9, 1.5 HR/9

SteveJRogers Sep 29 2006 12:41 PM

Yancy Street Gang wrote: The Mets will go into the playoffs with only two 10-game winners on their pitching staff, the fewest ever for a Mets team that made the postseason. The 1969 team had only three, by the way. Yeah but that 25 spot from...Gee can't recall the name off hand...more than made up for defeciencies amongst the rest of the staff

SteveJRogers Sep 29 2006 08:47 PM

1986 108-54 .667 1st NLEast, NL Champs, World Champs 1969 100-62 .617 1st NLEast, NL Champs, World Champs 1988 100-60 .625 1st NLEast 1985 98-64 .605 2nd NLEast 1999 97-66 .595 2nd NLEast, NL Wild Card *2006 95-65 .594 1st NLEast (2 games left in the regular season) And that pretty much clinches no better than a tie for 5th winningest season in Met history. Good job overall, would have been nice to get a few more September wins, but better hope October wins are A PLENTY!

SteveJRogers Oct 01 2006 02:25 PM

1986 108-54 .667 1st NLEast, NL Champs, World Champs 1969 100-62 .617 1st NLEast, NL Champs, World Champs 1988 100-60 .625 1st NLEast 1985 98-64 .605 2nd NLEast 2006 97-65 .599 1st NLEast 1999 97-66 .595 2nd NLEast, NL Wild Card 5th best regular season in team history! WHOO HOO! (Playing in a game 163 slides the 99 squad down obviously)