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Johnny Dickshot May 09 2006 09:17 PM

Sorry. No decision tonight. Pelfrey 7.0 7 3 2 2 10 0 3.78 That 10 is for K's

Edgy DC May 09 2006 09:31 PM

A lot like Pedro's line tonight.

metirish May 09 2006 09:33 PM

OK, Peterson likes the minor league guys to pitch a lot of innings, what say will he have in Pelfrey?

Johnny Dickshot May 09 2006 09:35 PM

Don't misunderstand it. Pelfrey is a hulking college guy and Kazmir a slight high school guy.

metirish May 09 2006 09:38 PM

Fair point Dickshot, there is a big difference in that, still most people I have read say Pelfrey should stay in the minors this season.....I say fuck that and bring him on.....of course I'm a bollox so what do I know.

Nymr83 May 09 2006 09:59 PM

Before the year started i said we'd see Pelfrey make his major league debut July 4th before a sellout crowd at Shea Stadium, I'm still hoping thats right. One of the great things about college guys (and the reason i prefer drafting them unless a high school guy is one of those "oh my god he's amazing" talents) is that they are usually pretty close to being ready.

Rotblatt May 10 2006 05:37 AM

Pelfrey DID pitch 359.7 innings in college in addition to his 38.7 innings in the minors. I'm anxious to see him, and think he or Soler is our best internal option for the #4 spot if we don't move Heilman.

smg58 May 10 2006 06:40 AM

They certainly have more upside than the guys we have left in AAA, but that's a big jump to make, especially when we'd be asking them for critical innings. I think the fact that the Mets brought MacLane up to Norfolk instead of Soler or Pelfrey indicates that they don't consider rushing those two to be an option. Which is fine, as long as there are better alternatives...

Frayed Knot May 10 2006 07:31 AM

I've said this before, but I think the biggest worry isn't necc that he couldn't handle the jump in levels but rather the increase in IPs that he'll be facing. Those 360 IPs were spread out over 3 years and then were followed by a 9 month lay-off from any pitching at all. He's already facing a much longer season than anything he's seen up to this point and it's different doing it in the minors where the team's W/L can play a secondary role to his development. I do suspect we'll see him before the year's out but that's different from promoting him after just a good outing or two.

Johnny Dickshot May 10 2006 07:32 AM

Yah. Consider this a long countdown, like from 100, not 10.

cleonjones11 May 10 2006 07:38 AM

Bring up Pelfrey NOW..He reminds me of that huge country boy pitcher who throws to Roy Hobbs in the Natural. Strike out the Whammer!!

Frayed Knot May 10 2006 07:39 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 10 2006 07:40 AM

Well faced with logic like that I have no choice but to agree, forget all that stuff I said earlier.

Centerfield May 10 2006 07:39 AM

Is that 7 hits, 3 runs?

soupcan May 10 2006 07:44 AM

cleonjones11 wrote: Bring up Pelfrey NOW..He reminds me of that huge country boy pitcher who throws to Roy Hobbs in the Natural. Strike out the Whammer!! Yeah! Bring him up NOW! Fuck the future, blow his arm out TONIGHT! We're only 3 games in front and its already the second week of May! What is wrong with Omar? What the hell is he waiting for??!!

Benjamin Grimm May 10 2006 07:47 AM

Maybe he doesn't like Pelfrey because he's not Hispanic.

soupcan May 10 2006 07:52 AM

Yancy Street Gang wrote: Maybe he doesn't like Pelfrey because he's not Hispanic. Hispanic? I thought Omar's criteria was that the last name had to end in a vowel. 'Y' is sort of a vowel isn't it?

Benjamin Grimm May 10 2006 07:55 AM

That vowel comment was a little weird. Makes it sound like Omar has a preference for Italians. Let's list some of the Hispanic Mets: Martinez Hernandez Beltran Valentin Sanchez Who was it who made that vowel comment anyway? I've already forgotten.

Edgy DC May 10 2006 08:07 AM

Sarah Vowel's name ends in a vowel. Sign her.

cleonjones11 May 10 2006 06:39 PM

soupcan wrote: ="cleonjones11"]Bring up Pelfrey NOW..He reminds me of that huge country boy pitcher who throws to Roy Hobbs in the Natural. Strike out the Whammer!! Yeah! Bring him up NOW! Fuck the future, blow his arm out TONIGHT! We're only 3 games in front and its already the second week of May! What is wrong with Omar? What the hell is he waiting for??!! I respectfully disagree..Pelfrey is ready...NOW

Frayed Knot May 10 2006 06:51 PM

Pelfrey's AA stats (3 starts): 16.2 IP; 8R (7ER); 23 H, 5 BB (1.68 WHiP); 3.78 ERA; 21 K That's a small sample size but it doesn't even come close to suggesting dominance. Add that to his brief Fla St Lg stint and he still has less than 40 innings pitched as a professional which follows a nearly 10-month layoff. Let's calm down here a bit, OK?

soupcan May 10 2006 08:24 PM

Absolutely. Why the panic?

Benjamin Grimm May 10 2006 08:27 PM

Yeah, there's no need to bring up Pelfrey NOW! We can wait at least until tomorrow morning. Truthfully, though, it's ridiculous to be declaring him "ready" just yet. The earliest we can expect to see him is July, and even that would surprise me.

cleonjones11 May 12 2006 03:07 PM

Many people thought David Wright was ready NOW.. specifically Howard Johnson. That seems to have worked out....

Benjamin Grimm May 12 2006 03:42 PM

You're not Howard Johnson.

cleonjones11 May 12 2006 08:57 PM

and your not Daryl Strawberry

metsmarathon May 12 2006 09:14 PM

i'm charlie neal.

Frayed Knot May 13 2006 06:57 AM

="cleonjones11"]Many people thought David Wright was ready NOW.. specifically Howard Johnson. That seems to have worked out.... Howard Johnson thinking David Wright was ready is a lot different than YOU thinking Mike Pelfrey is ready; especially when you consider that Wright had 3 years in the minors and HoJo saw him daily - as opposed to Pelfrey's 40 innings! in the minors and you've not only never seen him but probably wouldn't recognize him if you two were the only ones stuck on an elevator.

Hillbilly May 13 2006 10:25 AM

I wonder if there is any thought of putting Heilman in the rotation and bringing up Henry Owen to fill Heilman's role in the pen? Involves a lot of shifting and hoping, but we sure could use the help in the Starting rotation. Owens is still putting up eye-poping numbers. Edit: removed non-link

smg58 May 13 2006 11:39 AM

They appear to be reluctant to move Heilman, and I think you would have to commit to moving him into the rotation for an extended period of time for it to make any sense (i.e., starting him once and then sending him back to the pen when Bannister or Maine is ready would be too disruptive.) It could still happen eventually out of necessity, though.

Bret Sabermetric May 13 2006 11:46 AM

Hillbilly wrote: I wonder if there is any thought of putting Heilman in the rotation and bringing up Henry Owen to fill Heilman's role in the pen? Involves a lot of shifting and hoping, but we sure could use the help in the Starting rotation. Owens is still putting up eye-poping numbers. Edit: removed non-link Too stubborn by half. Heilman's a relief pitcher, haven't you heard? To move him into the rotation before 2010 would be to admit they had no clue what they were doing when they trded Benson, traded Seo, or otherwise weakened their rotation by putting Heilman in the pen.

MFS62 May 13 2006 01:08 PM

My kid Henry is currently on the DL with "a slight tear in a forearm tendon" - not considered serious. He was soft tossing yesterday. Later

Hillbilly May 13 2006 02:40 PM

Thanks for the update 62.

Hillbilly May 13 2006 02:43 PM

Bret Sabermetric wrote: ="Hillbilly"]I wonder if there is any thought of putting Heilman in the rotation and bringing up Henry Owen to fill Heilman's role in the pen? Involves a lot of shifting and hoping, but we sure could use the help in the Starting rotation. Owens is still putting up eye-poping numbers. Edit: removed non-link Too stubborn by half. Heilman's a relief pitcher, haven't you heard? To move him into the rotation before 2010 would be to admit they had no clue what they were doing when they trded Benson, traded Seo, or otherwise weakened their rotation by putting Heilman in the pen. That might be it, or it could be because Owens is hurt.

Frayed Knot May 15 2006 12:49 PM

]Pelfrey is ready...NOW The stats on Mr. 'Ready NOW' following his 4th AA start: 4 GS; 21.2 IPs 0-1; 4.15 ERA 30 H; 9 BBs; 2 HBP; 24 Ks 1.80 WHiP

Rockin' Doc May 15 2006 06:09 PM

Well, by his stats, he appears to be as ready as Lima. I do agree that the Mets need to be careful not to rush Pelfrey to the majors. Give him some time to develop, he just turned 22 in January. I would like to see the Mets give Soler a shot when they come to the realization that Lima is done. Soler will turn 27 in October. It's time to see what he can do before he's too old to be considered a prospect. Speaking of Mets pitching prospects, what is the status of Phillip Humber? I've probably missed this elsewhere on the forum, but what is his status?

Edgy DC May 15 2006 08:32 PM

Phil, I believe, is doing the extended spring thing and building up arm strength.

Hillbilly May 16 2006 10:05 AM

[url]http://www.nypost.com/sports/mets/63861.htm[/url] Pretty good piece with examples and quotes from Omar to back up the speculation. The fact that Pelfrey has such a big frame, at least suggests, that he may be be able to handle the big increase in innings pitched, a concren that has been pointed out here by FK. I agree that Soler is an intriging option too.

heep May 16 2006 12:04 PM

Soler got rocked in spring training. Pelfrey gets the first shot, b/c he is the #1 pick. Interesting note by Adam Rubin today in the Daily News, seemed skeptical that Zambrano would ever recover from his 2nd Tommy John, and even more doubtful that the Mets would resign him, given the fact that he must earn 2.4 million for 2007. Just fucking cut him...and hope Kazmir never wins a cy young.

Elster88 May 16 2006 12:46 PM

heep wrote: Soler got rocked in spring training. Pelfrey gets the first shot, b/c he is the #1 pick. Well who can argue with that logic?

Nymr83 May 16 2006 12:57 PM

You might argue that Soler should go first because he is older and there's alot less for a 27 year old to learn, he's either ready or he never will be.

Edgy DC May 16 2006 01:05 PM

]Just fucking cut him...and hope Kazmir never wins a cy young. They fucking can't. The rules prohibit releasing somebody while he's injured. And either way, the Mets are responsible to pay out the remainder of his contract and he doesn't take up a roster spot.

Frayed Knot May 16 2006 01:10 PM

Well, I think the implication is to cut him loose after the year runs out since he's not signed beyond this season. They could get out of the $2.4mil minimum next year by cutting him loose and then re-inking him to a lesser, conditional kind of contract since he'll only be available for a partial year if any ... but even that seems to be barely worth it.

metirish May 16 2006 01:16 PM

Kazmir will win the CY Young.....in a fucking MFY uniform........

Edgy DC May 16 2006 01:18 PM

Generally agreed. They re-upped Scott Strickland, against my advice, for the year after he missed for surgery. He spend the next year failing to work his way back in any timely manner. Guys get paid good money recuperating from Tommy John surgery at a major-league salary. if their contracts expire in the meantime, let them work their ways back at a minor league salary on a minor-league roster.

Bret Sabermetric May 16 2006 01:23 PM

Pretty cold. Don't you think that will make poor Victor feel like he's just a commodity, to be rejected by his team in this, his greatest hour of need? Where's the compassion? Surely, there's more to baseball than just dollars and cents.

MFS62 May 16 2006 01:25 PM

Compassion? Micheal Corleone to Bret:"This isn't personal, Sonny. Its business". Later

Frayed Knot May 16 2006 01:29 PM

Or teams sometimes sign players in anticipation of recovery and wind up paying for a partial season of inactivity with hopes of getting real performance at a somewhat reduced rate later on. The Yanx did that with Jon Leiber: paying for a recovery which did not happen on their watch and then getting a decent year out of it (before losing him by mis-judging his value after that). They're now doing the same with Dotel - signed for this year and next (IIRC) - with results yet to be seen.

Hillbilly May 16 2006 01:31 PM

Bret Sabermetric wrote: Pretty cold. Don't you think that will make poor Victor feel like he's just a commodity, to be rejected by his team in this, his greatest hour of need? Where's the compassion? Surely, there's more to baseball than just dollars and cents. All kidding aside. I feel sorry for the guy. I hope he's invested well.

Elster88 May 16 2006 01:46 PM

Nymr83 wrote: You might argue that Soler should go first because he is older and there's alot less for a 27 year old to learn, he's either ready or he never will be. You're killing me Nymr.

Gwreck May 16 2006 01:51 PM

For what it's worth, Klapisch has an article on ESPN today that says the Mets have decided that Pelfrey's next promotion will be straight to the majors, skipping Norfolk. [url]http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=klapisch_bob&id=2445920[/url]

Hillbilly May 16 2006 02:27 PM

You'd think Klapisch could get his age right. I'd prefer not going the trade route at this point of the season.

cleonjones11 May 16 2006 05:45 PM

Graziano of the Star Ledger suggested the Mets bring up Pelfrey and Milledge NOW. You'll laughed at me when I suggested it.

KC May 16 2006 05:47 PM

Who'll?

Bret Sabermetric May 16 2006 05:48 PM

They laughed at the Marx Brothers, too.

cleonjones11 May 20 2006 10:16 PM

This was a no brainer two weeks ago...Same background and rise as Mark Prior

OlerudOwned May 20 2006 10:38 PM

cleonjones11 wrote: This was a no brainer two weeks ago...Same background and rise as Mark Prior Just what we need from our top organizational pitcher, one great season followed by lingering career arm injuries!

Frayed Knot May 21 2006 10:42 PM

Pelfrey on Sunday: 0.2 IP, 2 R, 2 H, 3 BBs, 1 K AA stats now include a 1.85 WHiP, 4.03 ERA, 12 BBs in 22.1 IP, and the league is hitting over .300 against him.

Nymr83 May 21 2006 11:01 PM

he left the game because of an organization "rule" that a pitcher won't throw more than 40 pitches in an inning no matter what, no way of knowing what would have happened.

TheOldMole May 21 2006 11:40 PM

Did I read that they are bringing up Soler?

Willets Point May 21 2006 11:57 PM

TheOldMole wrote: Did I read that they are bringing up Soler? Yup.

Frayed Knot May 22 2006 07:55 AM

Nymr83 wrote: he left the game because of an organization "rule" that a pitcher won't throw more than 40 pitches in an inning no matter what, no way of knowing what would have happened. That's still not a pretty line, either for that one game (face 7 hitters - get two out) or for his brief AA life to date - particularly for a guy who a segment of Met fans have been demanding in the big leagues for weeks now.

Centerfield May 22 2006 09:06 AM

I think it's a bad idea to bring up Pelfrey. From all reports that I've heard, including Peter Gammons' garbled one from last night, is that his fastball is good, but that he relies on it too much and needs to develop his breaking pitches. I'd like to see him do that in the minors than get lit up in the bigs.

Edgy DC Jun 11 2006 11:05 AM

Boing

Frayed Knot Jun 13 2006 08:01 AM

BA: Mike Pelfrey, rhp, Mets (Double-A Binghamton): He started slow after his promotion to Double-A, but the Wichita State alum is firing on all cylinders now. In his last three starts, he has allowed just three runs in 19 innings while fanning 22 and walking four. He even had three hits in one of those starts. There are still concerns about his secondary stuff, but the former Shocker has blown away hitters with an electric fastball that sits in the mid-90s that he is able to command to all parts of the zone.

Edgy DC Jun 13 2006 08:56 AM

If there are "still concerns about his secondary stuff" (and if there are, then he's not quite firing on all cylinders), maybe he should head up to AAA, where presumably more of the batters are sophisticated enough to sit on his primary stuff and force him to adapt and stretch his repetoire.

Elster88 Jun 13 2006 09:05 AM

Good points CF, FK, and Edgy. These are the things the "BRING HIM UP NOW crowd" chooses to ignore because they want the guy they hate replaced immediately by the guy they've read about in Peter Gammons' blog all winter. Or sometimes the BRING HIM UP NOW crowd is just a bunch of morons, who don't think about anything.

Frayed Knot Jun 15 2006 07:07 AM

Pelfrey update: vs. New Britain: 6 IPs, 1 ER, 5 H, 2 BB, 8 K (W)

ScarletKnight41 Jun 15 2006 07:14 AM

Cool - perhaps he'll be ready for AAA soon.

Frayed Knot Jun 21 2006 07:55 AM

June 20 vs Akron: 7 IP, 1 ER, 4 H, 3 BB, 6 K (W) 3-1, 2.48 From Adam Rubin's Met blog: A scout who watched 2005 first-round pick Pelfrey suggested that while the righthander’s fastball matches up favorably with big leaguers, his slider and changeup need work.

Elster88 Jun 21 2006 07:56 AM

At this point we don't have room for him up here. Just as well. Of course, I still am not holding my breath on El Duque. Or some such expression.

heep Jun 21 2006 10:42 AM

That was a good Akron team that he beat last night, they were are first place. He and Owens appear to be the Shea-bound pitchers from Binghampton. Owens has arguably been the mot dominating pitcher in our system. He has averaged over 2 K's per inning. Nasty.

vtmet Jun 21 2006 11:57 AM

There is no p in Binghamton...

Frayed Knot Jun 21 2006 12:08 PM

Sure there is, it's right next to Bridgehampton, Westhampton, Southampton, Hampton Bays & East Hampton

MFS62 Jun 22 2006 10:51 AM

So, the Mets have two highly talented prospects - Lastings and Pelfrey. One is not immediately needed - Pelfrey, but some website fans are crying for him to be brought up, saying he doesn't need more seasoning. The other, Lastings, is needed and is proving that he can play at the major league level, but fans are saying that he should be sent down for more seasoning. Curious. Later

Elster88 Jun 22 2006 10:52 AM

Is he really needed when Floyd comes back?

MFS62 Jun 22 2006 11:08 AM

Elster88 wrote: Is he really needed when Floyd comes back? I think so. With Willie liking to rest his regulars, I could see a rotation in which four regular players (Lastings, Nady, Beltran and Cliff) get sufficient at bats, with Nady subbing for Delgado at first, Wright at third (David has shown he comes back with a vengance after a day off) and as the regular right fielder when Lastings spells Cliff. And Lastings can also play center ( as can Endy) if Beltran needs a rest. That way, Lastings will get a sufficient number of at bats if he stays with the big club, while being mentored in (what some consider) the things he is lacking from Willie, Franco and Cliff. The only one who "loses" in my scenario is Nady. But his time to play full time will come in '07. There should be no reason to play Woodward in the outfield, offensively or defensively. Later

Benjamin Grimm Jun 22 2006 11:11 AM

If you keep Lastings when Floyd is activated, you have to demote Marrero, Chavez, Woodward, or a pitcher. Which would you choose?

MFS62 Jun 22 2006 11:16 AM

It depends on when Cliff comes back. If its during the next few days when they'll be playing AL teams, the use of the DH means you won't have to pinch hit for the pitchers, so you don't need as many. In that scenario, it looks like Bell gets sent out. If its after that, you don't know. Could be someone else might have to go on the DL (knocking wood), or a trade could be made, so this might become a non-issue. Lets wait and see. EDIT: ]If you keep Lastings when Floyd is activated, you have to demote Marrero, Chavez, Woodward, or a pitcher. Which would you choose? Y'know, I've been thinking about that since you asked me yesterday. My answer would be "none of them". I would demote Ramon Castro. I'm starting to think that last year was his career year. Marrero came up as a catcher, and brings a few things to the table that Castro doesn't - the ability to play other positions fairly well, speed and a lefty bat. A catcher with those things comes around about as often as NY Ranger Stanley Cups. But, as I said, let's see what happens between now and when that decision has to be made. Anudder edit; seems Eli is a righty batter. Oh well.... Later