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You should join with me in contemplating Andrew McCutcheon

Johnny Lunchbucket Jan 12 2023 07:22 AM

RH hitter, spare outfielder. Injury insurance, DH, probably better than Ruf

Benjamin Grimm Jan 12 2023 07:55 AM Re: You should join with me in contemplating Andrew McCutcheon

36 years old. Free agent. .237/.316/.384 with the Brewers last year. Played 134 games. 580 plate appearances. 25 doubles, 17 homers, 66 runs, 69 RBI, 8 steals. Very likely to be better than Ruf!

kcmets Jan 12 2023 07:59 AM Re: You should join with me in contemplating Andrew McCutcheon

Feels like we were gonna get Andrew the last decade or so so might as well get it done. Better late than never? There was another guy with an 'A' first name whose name escapes me. Went on for seemingly fifteen off-seasons and never happened...

Edgy MD Jan 12 2023 08:11 AM Re: You should join with me in contemplating Andrew McCutcheon

I'm not sure I'm going to put my ducats on "very likely" to be better than Ruf. But likely? I'll take that. Ruf probably ain't the guy we saw last season. But he probably ain't that much better. He could hit five homers in a week and then disappear into the same hole he fell into in August. He's the same age as McCutcheon, though he probably has less mileage. I think McCutcheon's an upgrade, but I kind of like the Ruf fighting for his last bit of baseball and being pressed from behind. That's certainly not ideal, but I like it better than Ruf being bigfooted out of the picture by somebody who isn't much better but is more likely to last the full year. A lot depends on the Mets' disposition toward Francisco Álvarez and his readiness, and they ain't talking.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 12 2023 08:28 AM Re: You should join with me in contemplating Andrew McCutcheon

I imagine that Alvarez will play somehow or other. Because he has to. I cant see Alvarez making the team just to play once or twice a week.

Fman99 Jan 12 2023 08:35 AM Re: You should join with me in contemplating Andrew McCutcheon

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: RH hitter, spare outfielder. Injury insurance, DH, probably better than Ruf I scooped Wilmer + Cookie's litterbox this morning. Its contents were better than Darin Ruf.

metsmarathon Jan 12 2023 09:00 AM Re: You should join with me in contemplating Andrew McCutcheon

cutch... better than ruf was with the mets last year. worse than ruf was with the giants last year. better defender but still not good. brings veteran presence. is somehow two months younger.

Edgy MD Jan 12 2023 10:18 AM Re: You should join with me in contemplating Andrew McCutcheon

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=116614 time=1673537296 user_id=68] I imagine that Alvarez will play somehow or other. Because he has to. I cant see Alvarez making the team just to play once or twice a week.

Indeed, if he makes the team, he certainly plays. My guess is that he would initially be the primary righthanded DH and catch one game in five.



Whether that comes to pass in April or June, I guess, remains to be seen.

roger_that Jan 12 2023 12:58 PM Re: You should join with me in contemplating Andrew McCutcheon

Cutch is one of those guys like Strawberry or Mattingly who seemed HoF-bound in his 20s, and definitely not in his 30s. I play a little game sometimes, sorta crude game that really doesn't work (because artificial parameters), where I take a guy's stats in his 20s and double them, to see the sort of career I projected for him through his age-29 season. Cutch rates, by that metric, through 2016 doubled, with just over 2600 hits, 350 HR, a 138 OPS+, a GG, a MVP (and two close finishes)--not quite HoF-worthy, but not too far. Since 2016, of course, he's OPS+ed 113 for five teams in six years, so it's completely OOTFQ now, but once upon a time....

whippoorwill Jan 12 2023 04:23 PM Re: You should join with me in contemplating Andrew McCutcheon

Been saying for years….pirates fans loved him. I loved him If he can't be a Pirate, let him be a met

whippoorwill Jan 12 2023 04:24 PM Re: You should join with me in contemplating Andrew McCutcheon

I scooped Wilmer + Cookie's litterbox this morning. Its contents were better than Darin Ruf. And lol!

kcmets Jan 12 2023 04:29 PM Re: You should join with me in contemplating Andrew McCutcheon

=kcmets post_id=116611 time=1673535572 user_id=53] There was another guy with an 'A' first name whose name escapes me. Went on for seemingly fifteen off-seasons and never happened...

Adam Dunn? Just popped into my head.

Still I think it was a black dude with an 'A' name.



Probably both and I'm mixing and matching...

Benjamin Grimm Jan 12 2023 05:07 PM Re: You should join with me in contemplating Andrew McCutcheon

Anthony Rendon? Andruw Jones? Al Oliver? Alan Alda?

metsmarathon Jan 12 2023 05:13 PM Re: You should join with me in contemplating Andrew McCutcheon

Adam jones?

MFS62 Jan 12 2023 05:16 PM Re: You should join with me in contemplating Andrew McCutcheon Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 12 2023 05:44 PM

=kcmets post_id=116611 time=1673535572 user_id=53] Feels like we were gonna get Andrew the last decade or so so might as well get it done. Better late than never?

This. Seems like there have been articles about the Mets going after him for ten years every time a need arose in the outfield.



As opposed to Ruf, he could not only carry a glove, but use it.

If the Mets got him, Ruf could be relegated to Fmann's cats' litter box.



Later

batmagadanleadoff Jan 12 2023 05:20 PM Re: You should join with me in contemplating Andrew McCutcheon

Still can't figure out why they got rid of JD Davis. I remember reading all season long right up until they traded him how his batted balls were among the hardest hit in the majors. And that's about as good an indicator as anything out there.

Edgy MD Jan 12 2023 05:29 PM Re: You should join with me in contemplating Andrew McCutcheon

And they paid a premium for the honor.

Johnny Lunchbucket Jan 12 2023 06:45 PM Re: You should join with me in contemplating Andrew McCutcheon

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=116662 time=1673569224 user_id=68] Still can't figure out why they got rid of JD Davis. I remember reading all season long right up until they traded him how his batted balls were among the hardest hit in the majors. And that's about as good an indicator as anything out there.

Billy got soaked in that trade. Davis didn't produce reliably enough for a team with the Mets' ambition but to throw in Szapucki and NICK ZWACK was a crime. Giants with those guys and Conforto now. That will be a series

Lefty Specialist Jan 12 2023 07:26 PM Re: You should join with me in contemplating Andrew McCutcheon

Cutch isn't nearly the player he once was but he'd slot in nicely to that RH DH/4th OF role. I think they might want to let Alvarez sharpen up in AAA by playing every day for a little bit which is why they got Narvaez.

Edgy MD Jan 12 2023 08:58 PM Re: You should join with me in contemplating Andrew McCutcheon

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: =batmagadanleadoff post_id=116662 time=1673569224 user_id=68] Still can't figure out why they got rid of JD Davis. I remember reading all season long right up until they traded him how his batted balls were among the hardest hit in the majors. And that's about as good an indicator as anything out there. Billy got soaked in that trade. Davis didn't produce reliably enough for a team with the Mets' ambition but to throw in Szapucki and NICK ZWACK was a crime. Giants with those guys and Conforto now. That will be a series

Yeah, it seemed soaky enough at the time. By the end of the season, J.D. had produced 0.9 bWAR for the Giants, and Ruf -1.0 for the Mets. Szapucki added another 0.5 on the San Francisco side of the ledger. So the difference is 2.4 bWAR (2.0 fWAR, if you prefer).



I know the world doesn't work this way, but if you add two wins to the Mets ledger, they're cooling their heels and resting their arms in the first round of the playoffs while the Braves are the ones with a short series against the Padres.



Billy shouldn't have tried to be a hero.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 12 2023 09:18 PM Re: You should join with me in contemplating Andrew McCutcheon

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Still can't figure out why they got rid of JD Davis. I remember reading all season long right up until they traded him how his batted balls were among the hardest hit in the majors. And that's about as good an indicator as anything out there. Billy got soaked in that trade. Davis didn't produce reliably enough for a team with the Mets' ambition.... That's a good way of putting it. One could forget that the Mets aren't fucking around anymore after 10+ seasons of being baseball's laughingstock. There's an entire generation of Mets fans who are young enough that, until about a year ago, knew no other Mets team firsthand besides the Madoff plagued one. Edgy MD wrote: Yeah, it seemed soaky enough at the time. By the end of the season, J.D. had produced 0.9 bWAR for the Giants.... That's 0.9 bWAR in just 158 PA's. That's pretty damn good. Davis's 140 OPS+ with the Giants last year was the best of Davis's career, though granted, it represents just a partial season. But still.

G-Fafif Jan 12 2023 10:11 PM Re: You should join with me in contemplating Andrew McCutcheon

I was on a Zoom call earlier this evening with Will Clark (which, admittedly, sounds a little Mad Libs-ish) in which he was asked, in his official special assistant capacity, to predict a breakout season for a 2023 Giant. His choice was J.D. Davis. I also learned that whenever he was in New York on a road trip, Will made a point of dropping by the restaurant of his fellow Jesuit High School of New Orleans alumnus, Rusty Staub.

Edgy MD Jan 12 2023 10:16 PM Re: You should join with me in contemplating Andrew McCutcheon

That's good stuff. And when the Rusty Staub Foundation gets relaunched, as it ought, Clark should be on the board.

G-Fafif Jan 13 2023 07:39 AM Re: You should join with me in contemplating Andrew McCutcheon

Cutch a Buc again. https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/pirates/2023/01/13/pittsburgh-pirates-andrew-mccutchen-mlb-offseason-free-agency/stories/202301130059

kcmets Jan 13 2023 07:41 AM Re: You should join with me in contemplating Andrew McCutcheon

I'm beginning to think he doesn't like us.

Lefty Specialist Jan 13 2023 07:49 AM Re: You should join with me in contemplating Andrew McCutcheon

i really don't want Darin Ruf to the the 4th OF on this team.

Edgy MD Jan 13 2023 08:01 AM Re: You should join with me in contemplating Andrew McCutcheon

If last year is any guide, the fourth outfielder may be Jeff McNeil, floating out there while a fifth infielder covers for him at second.

Benjamin Grimm Jan 13 2023 08:09 AM Re: You should join with me in contemplating Andrew McCutcheon

That's too bad, but it's nice when a player returns to the team where he had his former glory.

whippoorwill Jan 13 2023 08:31 AM Re: You should join with me in contemplating Andrew McCutcheon

Cutch a Buc again. https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/pirates/2023/01/13/pittsburgh-pirates-andrew-mccutchen-mlb-offseason-free-agency/stories/202301130059 Awesome!!

MFS62 Jan 13 2023 08:35 AM Re: You should join with me in contemplating Andrew McCutcheon

Cutch a Buc again. https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/pirates/2023/01/13/pittsburgh-pirates-andrew-mccutchen-mlb-offseason-free-agency/stories/202301130059 So near, and yet so far. sigh Later

roger_that Jan 13 2023 09:01 AM Re: You should join with me in contemplating Andrew McCutcheon

Sometimes, when we Cutch....

Johnny Lunchbucket Jan 13 2023 09:13 AM Re: You should join with me in contemplating Andrew McCutcheon

Benjamin Grimm wrote: That's too bad, but it's nice when a player returns to the team where he had his former glory. I agree. That's why we should now target Wilmer Flores

duan Jan 13 2023 09:22 AM Re: You should join with me in contemplating Andrew McCutcheon

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Benjamin Grimm wrote: That's too bad, but it's nice when a player returns to the team where he had his former glory. I agree. That's why we should now target Wilmer Flores I'd love that, except he signed a two year extension with the Giants in September.

Edgy MD Jan 13 2023 12:16 PM Re: You should join with me in contemplating Andrew McCutcheon

You may have to expand your definition of "former glory" a little bit, but Kevin Pillar is still floating out there.

MFS62 Jan 13 2023 12:46 PM Re: You should join with me in contemplating Andrew McCutcheon

Edgy MD wrote: You may have to expand your definition of "former glory" a little bit, but Kevin Pillar is still floating out there. That would be one big leap for mankind. LOL! Later

Johnny Lunchbucket Jan 13 2023 01:14 PM Re: You should join with me in contemplating Andrew McCutcheon

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Benjamin Grimm wrote: That's too bad, but it's nice when a player returns to the team where he had his former glory. I agree. That's why we should now target Wilmer Flores I'd love that, except he signed a two year extension with the Giants in September. He should have been the guy we traded for

metsmarathon Jan 13 2023 01:16 PM Re: You should join with me in contemplating Andrew McCutcheon

think they'd take ruf back for him?