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Frayed Knot Jan 02 2023 08:18 PM

Some Buffalo player collapsed tonight during their MNF game vs Cincy and needed on field CPR. The game was, at first, temporarily suspended before, after more than an hour, finally being postponed. The player, Damar Hamlin, is in critical condition at a Cincinnati hospital. This doesn't look good.

metirish Jan 03 2023 05:55 AM Re: NFL

I didn't watch it, but damn , hopefully he pulls through.

Frayed Knot Jan 03 2023 08:46 AM Re: NFL

I wasn't watching either. Just figured I check on the score prior to turning in and found they were just then calling off the game which had still been in the 1st quarter. The lengthy delay makes me wonder if the 'Shield' was eager to resume only to run into pushback from the teams.

TransMonk Jan 03 2023 09:46 AM Re: NFL

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/DavidShuster/status/1610119800163897346[/TWEET]

metirish Jan 03 2023 09:54 AM Re: NFL

IIRC when Erikson collapsed during the Euros and had a cardiac arrest UEFA finished the game a few hours later after it was established that the player was alive etc , there was obviously a lot of anger directed towards the suits.

whippoorwill Jan 03 2023 09:58 AM Re: NFL

Of all places, I found out about this on my pastor's Facebook page. He's from close to Cincinnati and was watching. It's very upsetting.

Chad ochoseis Jan 03 2023 02:00 PM Re: NFL

First conversation I had this morning was with a coworker who said that it was probably the vax that caused it. That looks like the consensus of the right-wing twitterverse as well.

Frayed Knot Jan 03 2023 02:08 PM Re: NFL

Perhaps this will be added to (former NBA'er) John Stockton's list of "dozens" (or was it hundreds?) of athletes who have just "dropped dead" after receiving the Vax. If so, such an addition will bring the names that he's announced on that list up to one.

Edgy MD Jan 03 2023 02:22 PM Re: NFL

=metirish post_id=115923 time=1672764888 user_id=72] IIRC when Erikson collapsed during the Euros and had a cardiac arrest UEFA finished the game a few hours later after it was established that the player was alive etc , there was obviously a lot of anger directed towards the suits.

But there also wasn't the same distrust of the organization with regard to injury risk.



These players have to make peace with the fact that they're paid to play a game that could be killing them as they are playing it, in a way Euro-football players do not.



The fans have to make peace with the fact that they're cheering for a game that could be killing the players as they are playing it, in a way Euro-football fans do not.



In both cases, the medical emergency may turn out to have not really have been a product of the sport and the nature of its contact, but in the NFL case, that's clearly not where the players and most fans were.



Ironically, going down during a game, placing Hamlin moments away from quality medical care when every second counted, may be what saves him. I sure hope so.

Frayed Knot Jan 03 2023 03:07 PM Re: NFL

In this case it's possible that the cardiac arrest was triggered by a hit to the chest (him tackling someone) that occurred within a tiny milli-second window that upsets the heart's electrical system. I first heard about this when a thrown ball to the chest killed a Little League player a while back. So if this were the case it sort of would be the sport killing him although in more a freakish chancy way rather than from the violence inherent in the sport.

Frayed Knot Jan 03 2023 06:40 PM Re: NFL Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 04 2023 05:46 AM

So there appears to be some dispute over the source of the "five minute warmup" the two sides last night were going to get prior to the re-starting of the game. ESPN mouthpiece Joe Buck apparently repeated that info four different times and it's a stretch to think they were just making that up with no input from the league (I don't think the networks are allowed to take shits w/o say-so from 'The Shield'). An NFL spokesman, of course, denies anything came from them. But few organizations I know have a 'the show must go on' attitude more than the NFL. From only reluctantly agreeing to ONE postponed week following 9/11 (reportedly the player reps of NYJ & NYG refusals to play forced the league into that one Sunday off), to plowing through the Covid season and previous work stoppages (games that counted with replacement players just 12 days after a strike was called), and of course all the way back to playing a full slate of games less than 48 hours after the assassination of JFK while the rest of the country essentially shut down that weekend. Part of this stems from the fact that they have little maneuverability to schedule make-up games unless they occur early enough in the season to allow for manipulation of each team's off week. They've already said that last night's game won't be played this week (how could it with every team scheduled for Sunday?) and the playoffs start just six days after that with both Cincy & Buffalo in the mix. I can't see them just letting the game go un-played but I don't see another solution either which feeds into the idea that they were all for continuing just five minutes after the ambulance left the field until the players and coaches told them otherwise.

Edgy MD Jan 03 2023 07:56 PM Re: NFL

Yeah, I don't think Buck made anything up, and I'm not sure the idea of consulting with the players before making a decision even would occur to the NFL management.

nymr83 Jan 03 2023 08:36 PM Re: NFL

the NFL definitely wanted to get the game in. At this point, the NFL is probably praying that the Bills win week 18 and the Chiefs lose, leaving the Bills 13-3 and the Chiefs 13-4, with the Bills holding a head to head win they would clinch the #1 seed without the need for making up this game. Meanwhile, the league would also have to hope that the Bengals beat the Ravens, leaving the game also meaningless in the NFC North race. i'd bet those games heavily as the fix may be in

Frayed Knot Jan 04 2023 05:59 AM Re: NFL

Edgy MD wrote: ... and I'm not sure the idea of consulting with the players before making a decision even would occur to the NFL management. I don't think it does either until, as in this case and the one following 9/11, the players make a choice on their own forcing the league to realize that they'll lose the pr battle with their plan and therefore no longer have the upper hand in the decision making process.

Fman99 Jan 04 2023 06:05 AM Re: NFL

Chad ochoseis wrote: First conversation I had this morning was with a coworker who said that it was probably the vax that caused it. That looks like the consensus of the right-wing twitterverse as well. I hate dumb shit like this.

kcmets Jan 04 2023 09:06 AM Re: NFL

Chad ochoseis wrote: First conversation I had this morning was with a coworker who said that it was probably the vax that caused it. I have a couple of fb friends who were K-12 classmates and they beat the drum in this manner all the time. Often, if not compulsively. I don't turn them off because it's important to know what's out there. But that's online and I can move on. Not sure how I'd react to a co-worker in the elevator who spiels such nonsense. Lotta people out there suck?

Chad ochoseis Jan 04 2023 03:26 PM Re: NFL

Not sure how I'd react to a co-worker in the elevator who spiels such nonsense. Lotta people out there suck? Fortunately, it was in Zoom and preliminary to a meeting, so I was able to move it gracefully to "so, Frank, are you guys still struggling to sell at our current rates?" or something to that effect.

whippoorwill Jan 04 2023 03:29 PM Re: NFL

I hate that a decent young man who is fighting for his life would even come up in a conversation about vaxxing.

whippoorwill Jan 04 2023 03:30 PM Re: NFL

I hate that a decent young man who is fighting for his life would even come up in a conversation about vaxxing.

nymr83 Jan 04 2023 05:19 PM Re: NFL

you'd be surprised. the anti-vaxxers are everywhere and they predate the covid vaccine, its simply become their rallying point. someone I work with today casually threw out that they blame the flu shot years ago for serious health issues.

Frayed Knot Jan 04 2023 06:08 PM Re: NFL

Noted anti-vaxxer RFK Jr. linked Hank Aaron's death to his Covid shot. That Aaron was approaching 90 and that Kennedy had not a lick of evidence supporting his claim didn't factor into his thought process apparently.

whippoorwill Jan 04 2023 07:07 PM Re: NFL

People suck

Edgy MD Jan 04 2023 07:54 PM Re: NFL

Pretty meta-amazing to see a Kennedy turn into a quack conspiracy theorist.

Frayed Knot Jan 05 2023 03:03 PM Re: NFL

The Buffalo/Cincy game will not be made up as the NFL contemplates how to handle playoff seeding given the uneven number of games played smong AFC qualifiers. Win pct would be the obvious and simplest way but other plans are apparently under consideration.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 05 2023 07:27 PM Re: NFL

As per The Athletic, Monday's game might be made up after the end of the regular season. Under that plan, the playoff games would then be pushed back one week and the off week right before the Super Bowl would be eliminated. Another option being explored is to expand the playoff field by one team per conference. With an eight team field, no team would have a first round bye. And the Jets would suddenly be in contention again, for that newly created 8th AFC playoff seed. With games scheduled for this Saturday, they're gonna hafta pick a plan real soon.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 05 2023 10:50 PM Re: NFL

Game canceled. Will not be made up. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/05/sports/football/bills-bengals-game-canceled.html Is the eight team playoff field still an option?

Frayed Knot Jan 06 2023 11:08 AM Re: NFL

Nothing appears to be final or off the table yet. What's interesting is that the NFL apparently has an existing written policy stating that winning pct is to be used to determine placement/seeding in the case of uncompleted games even as they seem to be determined to ignore that entirely in favor of coin flips and neutral site games for playoff games between teams with unequal records.

Frayed Knot Jan 10 2023 10:57 AM Re: NFL

Don Van Natta is a reporter at ESPN that's actually worthy of the title, and he has a piece out overnight skewering the NFL for their handling of Bills/Bengals game last week as well as their claims that they weren't putting pressure on to continue. It's noteworthy mainly because you'll find Cardinals willing to publicly call out the Pope more easily than you will the four-letter network taking on the Shield. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story?id=35393227&_slug_=how-bills-bengals-led-way-damar-hamlin-collapsed

Frayed Knot Jan 14 2023 11:45 AM Re: NFL

Just in case you're one of those who need a little help "getting ready for the game", I'm here to help. FOX has the first game, so at 1:30 - 2:30 you can start to get psyched with NFL Championship Chase. That's followed at 2:30 - 3:30 by FOX NFL Kickoff, which is in turn followed by FOX Football Sunday (psst, it's Saturday) from 3:30 - 4:30 Rumor has it that the actual game will start at 4:30 but, who knows, there may be more prep work to do before they get around to kick-off.

whippoorwill Jan 14 2023 12:05 PM Re: NFL

Thanks! One of the 49ers was a good friend of our daughter's growing up so we're planning to watch that since the Steelers didn't move on. Ultimately rooting for Buffalo. They've had a hard winter…

batmagadanleadoff Jan 14 2023 12:47 PM Re: NFL

I just saw a chyron on the NFL network announcing the death of former NFL receiver Calvin Muhammad. The chyron indicated that Muhammad played for, among other teams, the Commanders. Except that Muhammad never played for the Commanders. He played for the Redskins. What do youse think of that? Overkill on the political correctness? The right thing to do? What about The Commanders '80s Hogs were the greatest offensive line in NFL history?

kcmets Jan 14 2023 01:27 PM Re: NFL

Frayed Knot wrote: Just in case you're one of those who need a little help "getting ready for the game", I'm here to help. FOX has the first game, so at 1:30 - 2:30 you can start to get psyched with NFL Championship Chase. That's followed at 2:30 - 3:30 by FOX NFL Kickoff, which is in turn followed by FOX Football Sunday (psst, it's Saturday) from 3:30 - 4:30 Rumor has it that the actual game will start at 4:30 but, who knows, there may be more prep work to do before they get around to kick-off. Yeah, I flipped over to NFL Network earlier and there is a four-and-a-half hour show to prep for today's TWO games. Fucking lunacy, who the hell would/could sit through all that?

whippoorwill Jan 14 2023 01:46 PM Re: NFL

Especially if they have the usual guys sitting there yapping

kcmets Jan 14 2023 05:30 PM Re: NFL

First half of the first game much more enjoyable than the second.

Frayed Knot Jan 14 2023 05:32 PM Re: NFL

=kcmets post_id=116773 time=1673728038 user_id=53] who the hell would/could sit through all that?

Addicted gamblers?



And, remember, it's Super Wild Card Weekend

If you don't refer to it that way I believe the NFL sends goons to your house to pummel you.

kcmets Jan 14 2023 06:13 PM Re: NFL

Tonight's game is a total snooze fest for me. At least the day game I could root for Pete Carrol and the Geno Smith story and against Nasty Nancy's team. Bills vs Dolphins game should be fun tomorrow.

metirish Jan 15 2023 04:21 AM Re: NFL

Well there we go , tuned out of the Jags game , Al Michaels would put you to sleep anyway , Jags come all the way back

kcmets Jan 15 2023 09:07 AM Re: NFL

I forget the score when I stopped flipping over to it but jeez I think they were losing by at least three touchdowns. Shocker seeing score on my phone first thing this morning. Crazy.

Frayed Knot Jan 15 2023 05:45 PM Re: NFL

That roughing the passer call was ridiculous. I hate to invoke the 'why don't they just make them play in skirts?' line but, Maayynn!

Lefty Specialist Jan 16 2023 05:11 AM Re: NFL

I think that's the first time I've ever seen a QB goal-line sneak turned into a touchdown for the other team. Wowzers.

Frayed Knot Jan 16 2023 07:37 PM Re: NFL

Can you fire a kicker mid-game? (3 Dallas TDs + 3 missed PATs for those not watching) 18 - 0 Cowboys at the half

batmagadanleadoff Jan 16 2023 08:07 PM Re: NFL

Frayed Knot wrote: Can you fire a kicker mid-game? (3 Dallas TDs + 3 missed PATs for those not watching) 18 - 0 Cowboys at the half Make that four missed PAT's.

kcmets Jan 16 2023 08:10 PM Re: NFL

Got the yips or such?

Frayed Knot Jan 16 2023 08:14 PM Re: NFL

Some quick, back of the envelope math puts the odds of that at about one in 25,000 (based on a 92% success rate of the new(-ish), longer PAT distance. Theoretically, Tampa could tie this game with a comeback of three touchdowns to Dallas's four.

TransMonk Jan 17 2023 07:14 AM Re: NFL

I believe the DAL/TB game closed with an over/under of 45.5. Since the final total score was 45, those missed PATs loom large in the betting world.

Frayed Knot Jan 22 2023 02:16 PM Re: NFL

You can't tell me that the reversal towards the end of the 1st half that took away a Cincy TD and effectively changed it into a FG was what A SINGLE PERSON ON THE PLANET! had in mind when replay was instituted.

kcmets Jan 22 2023 02:32 PM Re: NFL

That was boochit, but fine by me since I'm a long-time huge Bills fan.

whippoorwill Jan 22 2023 04:34 PM Re: NFL

Yabbit :(

kcmets Jan 22 2023 07:13 PM Re: NFL

Probably my imagination, but the DAL/SFO halftime lasted almost an hour. And there was no floor show.

MFS62 Jan 23 2023 06:41 AM Re: NFL

=kcmets post_id=117123 time=1674440037 user_id=53] Probably my imagination, but the DAL/SFO halftime lasted almost an hour. And there was no floor show.

They were probably stretching it so the new show they were premiering could start on time.

Later

MFS62 Jan 28 2023 02:09 PM Re: NFL

The Mets will be advertising during the NFL playoffs and the Super Bowl. (Trailer link in the article) https://metsmerizedonline.com/mets-to-run-super-bowl-advert/ Later

whippoorwill Jan 28 2023 02:43 PM Re: NFL

I don't get the fish part

metirish Jan 29 2023 02:10 PM Re: NFL

I absolutely hate the way FOX hosts, analysts and PBP/Color call each other and others by initials , this seems to be a FOX thing , Kevin Burkhardt becomes KB, James Brown JB etc , they do this to players too when interviewing them, this doesn't work for every name though.

kcmets Jan 29 2023 02:13 PM Re: NFL

KC has the volume turned down, listening to music.

Frayed Knot Jan 29 2023 03:12 PM Re: NFL

I wonder if they'd still do that if Felix Unger was one of their announcers?

whippoorwill Jan 29 2023 03:47 PM Re: NFL

Heehee!

kcmets Jan 29 2023 04:25 PM Re: NFL

God, i just flipped back over. They're still milking it with SIX hose heads. Nice ass kicking by the Eagles, not that I care about either team.

kcmets Jan 29 2023 04:27 PM Re: NFL

I hate little notes on my pillow. Like this morning. ‘We're all out of cornflakes. F.U.' It took me three hours to figure out that ‘F.U.' was Felix Unger. It's not your fault, Felix. It's a rotten combination.

whippoorwill Jan 30 2023 10:49 AM Re: NFL

Second game was much better.