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2023 (non-NYM) Injury News

Frayed Knot Feb 28 2023 07:12 PM

Starting with my usual disclaimer that NYM injury news should have its own home or, better yet, homes (plural) as a certain pct of them are Not likely to be minor and certainly deserve a place for discussion on their own. This thread is intended more as a clearing house for major boo-boos involving other teams. And we're starting off with a doozy as Gavin Lux, the promising 25 y/o LAD infielder (1st round draft pick 2016) who the Dodgers were counting on to replace Trea Turner as their starting SS this season, goes down with a torn ACL here in the opening days of ST and will be lost for the entire 2023 season. Now THAT's gonna leave a mark!

Edgy MD Feb 28 2023 08:31 PM Re: 2023 (non-NYM) Injury News

Not WBC-related, neither.

Edgy MD Mar 01 2023 08:31 AM Re: 2023 (non-NYM) Injury News

The National League West injury pendulum swings the other way as Joe Musgrove fractures his big toe dropping a weight on it. It's his left foot — his landing foot as a righthander — so it's perhaps not as threatening as if it was his pushoff foot, but #WhoKnows? #DizzyDean. He'll either be out for two weeks or forever.

Fman99 Mar 01 2023 09:27 AM Re: 2023 (non-NYM) Injury News

He probably had wet hands from touching his own slimy disgusting ears.

A Boy Named Seo Mar 01 2023 09:33 AM Re: 2023 (non-NYM) Injury News

A couple wildly talented guys who can't stay healthy- Tyler Glasnow did his oblique (month and a half or two seems the baseline for those) and Brendan Rodgers dislocated his shoulder diving for a ball. The trainer popped it back into place like a boxing corner man fixing a broken nose (!!!), but this ain't the movies, so Rodgers is still gonna miss some time. PS - when was the last time you heard of a pitcher tearing their rotator cuff? That seems like an injury that stopped happening around 1991.

Edgy MD Mar 01 2023 09:51 AM Re: 2023 (non-NYM) Injury News

Initially the torn cuff diagnosis seemed to have evolved into several degrees of partial tears. Players once given a prescription of surgical repair and hoping for the best were being offered a new opportunity to strengthen the injured muscle group through therapy and training. This led to a new regime of "Hey, why can't we strengthen that group up through therapy and training before it gets all torn up?" And that's really the regime we're in, so yeah, while there are still cuff injuries, they tend to be less frequent, of lesser grade, and caught earlier, so they don't interrupt or end careers with nearly the same frequency. Training ligaments to be stronger can also be done, but has not been as successful, as athletes are always beating the hell out of their ligs. If you're targeting them during workouts, when do they get a chance to recover? But that may be a next-generation thing.

Frayed Knot Mar 01 2023 10:31 AM Re: 2023 (non-NYM) Injury News

A bit ironically, strength training of shoulders has led not only to fewer rotator cuff injuries but also to increased velocity which has in turn led to more UCL tears. One injury traded for another.

MFS62 Mar 01 2023 10:45 AM Re: 2023 (non-NYM) Injury News

Frayed Knot wrote: A bit ironically, strength training of shoulders has led not only to fewer rotator cuff injuries but also to increased velocity which has in turn led to more UCL tears. One injury traded for another. The human body is like a balloon, if you squeeze it in one place, you never know where a bulge is going to occur. Every Doctor I have said that to has agreed with it. Later

Edgy MD Mar 01 2023 10:51 AM Re: 2023 (non-NYM) Injury News

Frayed Knot wrote: A bit ironically, strength training of shoulders has led not only to fewer rotator cuff injuries but also to increased velocity which has in turn led to more UCL tears. One injury traded for another. Excellent point. I don't know that the cause-and-effect has been widely understood to be as official as all that, but it sure seems to be pointing that way.

Edgy MD Mar 01 2023 10:56 AM Re: 2023 (non-NYM) Injury News

Yesterday was also the 46th anniversary of Dan Haggerty going down with an injury, before being improbably helped off the field by his two smallest teammates. https://metsrostercentral.files.wordpress.com/2023/03/haggerty.png>

Fman99 Mar 01 2023 12:27 PM Re: 2023 (non-NYM) Injury News

Edgy MD wrote: Yesterday was also the 46th anniversary of Dan Haggerty going down with an injury, before being improbably helped off the field by his two smallest teammates. https://metsrostercentral.files.wordpress.com/2023/03/haggerty.png> So Dan's Jewish then, interesting

Edgy MD Mar 01 2023 12:43 PM Re: 2023 (non-NYM) Injury News

Haggerty was no fool. Probably wasn't even injured. What you see here is Dan angling to live the Jack Tripper Lifestyle™.

metirish Mar 01 2023 12:59 PM Re: 2023 (non-NYM) Injury News

Edgy MD wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: A bit ironically, strength training of shoulders has led not only to fewer rotator cuff injuries but also to increased velocity which has in turn led to more UCL tears. One injury traded for another. Excellent point. I don't know that the cause-and-effect has been widely understood to be as official as all that, but it sure seems to be pointing that way. Ralph was never a fan of weight training, felt the players were way too tight "can't pull fat " he liked to say

Frayed Knot Mar 01 2023 02:49 PM Re: 2023 (non-NYM) Injury News

Edgy MD wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: A bit ironically, strength training of shoulders has led not only to fewer rotator cuff injuries but also to increased velocity which has in turn led to more UCL tears. One injury traded for another. Excellent point. I don't know that the cause-and-effect has been widely understood to be as official as all that, but it sure seems to be pointing that way. Yeah, I mean it's hardly a one-to-one correspondence. But once pitchers stopped being discouraged, if not flat out prohibited, from strength training the ability to forego rotator cuff surgery (I remember Todd Stottelmyre turning himself into the Incredible Bulk in an attempt not to go under the knife) or even pre-prevent it (by not being built like Gary Gentry while trying to throw 90+) that surgery fell off dramatically thus allowing hurlers to continue pitching before eventually reaching the point where the cumulative mileage would tax the UCL to its limit. In a way the tradeoff isn't so bad. Even though the downtime from TJS is so extensive, the elbow, being merely a hinge and more accessible to work on, is more likely to get the patient back on the mound essentially as good as he was prior to the injury. Shoulders, OTOH, are much tougher to get at and feature a much broader range of movement making them more complicated to fix with the odds of success more like a coin flip.

Fman99 Mar 02 2023 06:57 AM Re: 2023 (non-NYM) Injury News

Edgy MD wrote: What you see here is Dan angling to live the Jack Tripper Lifestyle™. I mean, he's angling, I'll give you that much.

Frayed Knot Mar 02 2023 10:49 AM Re: 2023 (non-NYM) Injury News

Might this be what turned Kristy McNichol off men?

Frayed Knot Mar 06 2023 08:46 PM Re: 2023 (non-NYM) Injury News

New Boston Red Sox player Justin Turner took a pitch in the face in a ST game today. Walked off the field under his own power but was hospitalized for observation anyway.

Frayed Knot Mar 09 2023 02:17 PM Re: 2023 (non-NYM) Injury News

NYY pitcher (and potential off-season NYM target) Carlos Rodon (forearm strain) joins new teammate Frankie Montas as a member of the Not Ready for Opening Day Players.

Lefty Specialist Mar 09 2023 02:38 PM Re: 2023 (non-NYM) Injury News

The knock on Rodon has always been that he's a bit brittle. Stayed healthy for a while, got the big contract and now...shazam!

Frayed Knot Mar 22 2023 11:04 AM Re: 2023 (non-NYM) Injury News

Arizona starting catcher Carson Kelly sustains a broken forearm from a HBP and will miss significant time off the beginning of the season. Damn WBC!

Edgy MD Mar 22 2023 11:53 AM Re: 2023 (non-NYM) Injury News

I always want to add Taylor Van Pelt to that guy's name. Also, I just want to recall: Edgy MD wrote: The National League West injury pendulum swings the other way as Joe Musgrove fractures his big toe dropping a weight on it. It's his left foot — his landing foot as a righthander — so it's perhaps not as threatening as if it was his pushoff foot, but #WhoKnows? #DizzyDean. He'll either be out for two weeks or forever. =Fman99 post_id=119056 time=1677688030 user_id=86] He probably had wet hands from touching his own slimy disgusting ears.

Well stated. I'm sorry I didn't say so at the time.

metirish Mar 23 2023 12:54 PM Re: 2023 (non-NYM) Injury News

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/TalkinBaseball_/status/1638956199294164992[/TWEET]

Frayed Knot Mar 23 2023 04:50 PM Re: 2023 (non-NYM) Injury News

Hoskins went down while playing 1B in a non-contact injury that looked not a little like Edwin Diaz. No word yet if it's a similar deal. Also, Adam Wainwright to start his (final?) season on the IL. Groin strain.

metirish Mar 23 2023 06:08 PM Re: 2023 (non-NYM) Injury News

ACL tear Phillies say

bmfc1 Mar 23 2023 07:51 PM Re: 2023 (non-NYM) Injury News

Maybe they'll take Darin Ruf.

Edgy MD Mar 23 2023 08:29 PM Re: 2023 (non-NYM) Injury News

I think Alec Bohm moves across the diamond to first, with Edmundo Sosa taking over at third. Kody Clemens is in the mix there as well.

Lefty Specialist Mar 24 2023 10:59 AM Re: 2023 (non-NYM) Injury News

I hate that there's still a Clemens in baseball to irritate us.

metsmarathon Mar 24 2023 11:04 AM Re: 2023 (non-NYM) Injury News

oh, i dunno. we could throw a coupla bats at him.

metirish Apr 09 2023 03:13 PM Re: 2023 (non-NYM) Injury News

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1645159540432809985[/TWEET]

ashie62 Apr 09 2023 03:17 PM Re: 2023 (non-NYM) Injury News

Horrible news Oneil is the real deal

whippoorwill Apr 09 2023 06:00 PM Re: 2023 (non-NYM) Injury News

Yes hopefully it won't slow the Pirates down; they're doing pretty good so far

Edgy MD Apr 09 2023 07:07 PM Re: 2023 (non-NYM) Injury News

He's a terrific talent. I had my doubts about how long a guy taller and leaner than Darryl Strawberry was going to last as a shortstop, but it stinks to see him hurt so badly on the bases. The commentator here is dead wrong, though. This is a terrible slide. [YOUTUBE]b2f1Fc472Oc[/YOUTUBE]

whippoorwill Apr 09 2023 07:42 PM Re: 2023 (non-NYM) Injury News

Edgy MD wrote: He's a terrific talent. I had my doubts about how long a guy taller and leaner than Darryl Strawberry was going to last as a shortstop, but it stinks to see him hurt so badly on the bases. The commentator here is dead wrong, though. This is a terrible slide. [YOUTUBE]b2f1Fc472Oc[/YOUTUBE] Yeah and as my husband enters his ninth week of recovery from his broken ankle, I'd call it more than banged up . This is sad.

nymr83 Apr 09 2023 09:47 PM Re: 2023 (non-NYM) Injury News

That is a late and ugly slide attempt.

Frayed Knot Apr 10 2023 06:00 AM Re: 2023 (non-NYM) Injury News

I don't think there was any attempt there to hit the catcher, more just a bad and awkward slide than a dirty one. In the head-on angle you can see indecision on Cruz's part as he got closer.

metirish Jul 04 2023 01:51 PM Re: 2023 (non-NYM) Injury News

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/BNightengale/status/1676302833879224320[/TWEET]

metirish Jul 20 2023 12:38 PM Re: 2023 (non-NYM) Injury News

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/RyanDivish/status/1682087965072457728[/TWEET] Feel for him

metirish Jul 20 2023 12:39 PM Re: 2023 (non-NYM) Injury News

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/RyanDivish/status/1682091589265674240[/TWEET] Damn

A Boy Named Seo Jul 20 2023 02:00 PM Re: 2023 (non-NYM) Injury News

I thought someone was messing with me when they told me about Kelenic. How hard do you have to kick a cooler to break your damn foot. My guy needs one of those squeezy stress balls.

Edgy MD Jul 20 2023 02:07 PM Re: 2023 (non-NYM) Injury News

I want to cry just knowing I'll never have Kelenic's hair.