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Max Scherzer's Suspension Deserves Its Own Thread

G-Fafif Apr 20 2023 07:00 PM

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metirish Apr 20 2023 07:19 PM Re: Max Scherzer's Suspension Deserves Its Own Thread

Fuck Manfred and the horse he rode in on

Edgy MD Apr 20 2023 07:37 PM Re: Max Scherzer's Suspension Deserves Its Own Thread

Not a whole lot of denial of the contentions in there.

batmagadanleadoff Apr 20 2023 07:59 PM Re: Max Scherzer's Suspension Deserves Its Own Thread

Mets Projected 2023 Opening Day Pitching Rotation: Verlander (IL) Scherzer (Suspended) Senga Quintana (IL) Carrasco (IL) Present Rotation (Not good enough to compete with Braves): Senga Peterson Megill Butto? ???????

nymr83 Apr 20 2023 08:32 PM Re: Max Scherzer's Suspension Deserves Its Own Thread

"I thought I was going get in front of a neutral arbitrator, but I wasn't. It was going to be through MLB. Given that process, I wasn't going to come out on top" "I thought I was going to get in front of a neutral judge, but this guy was appointed by Obama." -Future convicted Felon Donald J. Trump that is a lame answer by Scherzer. If you didn't appeal the suspension, its because you were guilty.

bmfc1 Apr 20 2023 09:07 PM Re: Max Scherzer's Suspension Deserves Its Own Thread

"I thought I was going get in front of a neutral arbitrator, but I wasn't. It was going to be through MLB. Given that process, I wasn't going to come out on top" "I thought I was going to get in front of a neutral judge, but this guy was appointed by Obama." -Future convicted Felon Donald J. Trump that is a lame answer by Scherzer. If you didn't appeal the suspension, its because you were guilty. I respectfully disagree with you. He's appealing a decision to the same party that made the decision. It's not fair but Max was part of the MLBPA negotiating team and this could have been fixed in the latest agreement.

nymr83 Apr 20 2023 09:09 PM Re: Max Scherzer's Suspension Deserves Its Own Thread

If he was still with the Nationals we'd all be cheering him getting suspended and labelling him a cheater

Edgy MD Apr 20 2023 09:46 PM Re: Max Scherzer's Suspension Deserves Its Own Thread

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=123020 time=1682042357 user_id=68] Present Rotation (Not good enough to compete with Braves): Senga Peterson Megill Butto? ???????

The name you're looking for there is Joey Lucchesi.



I'm not gonna fret. The only guy who is out for an extended period is Quintana, and Scherzer ain't even injured. Depth is part of the game.

ashie62 Apr 21 2023 06:54 AM Re: Max Scherzer's Suspension Deserves Its Own Thread

Verlander is becoming an extended period

Edgy MD Apr 21 2023 07:51 AM Re: Max Scherzer's Suspension Deserves Its Own Thread

Is that a menstrual joke?

ashie62 Apr 21 2023 07:54 AM Re: Max Scherzer's Suspension Deserves Its Own Thread

Touchee! I am hopeful Carrasco keeps his stint short In the meantime Butto has some talent and we'll see what Joey Lucheezy can do

Lefty Specialist Apr 21 2023 01:55 PM Re: Max Scherzer's Suspension Deserves Its Own Thread

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=123020 time=1682042357 user_id=68] Mets Projected 2023 Opening Day Pitching Rotation: Verlander (IL) Scherzer (Suspended) Senga Quintana (IL) Carrasco (IL) Present Rotation (Not good enough to compete with Braves): Senga Peterson Megill Butto? ???????

??????? is Lucchesi, at least for now. If they can literally just tread water for the next 10 days until Verlander and Scherzer come back, that'd be huge.

Johnny Lunchbucket Apr 21 2023 01:59 PM Re: Max Scherzer's Suspension Deserves Its Own Thread

=nymr83 post_id=123042 time=1682046576 user_id=54] If he was still with the Nationals we'd all be cheering him getting suspended and labelling him a cheater

Totally. And Max was cheating so that he didn't give 3 consecutive home runs again. I'm in favor of it but you can't get caught.

ashie62 Apr 21 2023 05:10 PM Re: Max Scherzer's Suspension Deserves Its Own Thread

I'd be ok with this suspension if Max had not totally sucked as a Met to date

Frayed Knot Apr 21 2023 06:58 PM Re: Max Scherzer's Suspension Deserves Its Own Thread

=nymr83 post_id=123042 time=1682046576 user_id=54] If he was still with the Nationals we'd all be cheering him getting suspended and labelling him a cheater

I'd push back on this a bit only because I don't have a sense of exactly what line he crossed or even if there is a line.

Why does he get the ejection and automatic suspension but the Yanqui pitcher, similarly warned and apparently not in compliance afterward, doesn't.

So rosin in legal but too much isn't? How much is too much? Do all umps call this or just Cuzzi (kinda seems like just Cuzzi doesn't it?)

So, yeah, I'd be asking these questions if this same thing happened to Max the Nat too.

I certainly wouldn't mind it if it happened just ahead of a series against Max's Nats, but I'd still want to know.

Edgy MD Apr 21 2023 08:17 PM Re: Max Scherzer's Suspension Deserves Its Own Thread

"I swear on my kids' lives, I'm not using anything else. This is sweat and rosin. Sweat and rosin." Well, that's a firmer denial.

nymr83 Apr 21 2023 08:35 PM Re: Max Scherzer's Suspension Deserves Its Own Thread

A denial of what though? it seems that by his own admission he used rosin other than the rosin bag behind the mound which i'm hearing is the only rosin they are allowed to use? is there stickier rosin? i'm not a rosin expert.

Edgy MD Apr 21 2023 08:46 PM Re: Max Scherzer's Suspension Deserves Its Own Thread

Well, that may be irrelevant to his protestations, or it may be wiggle room that allows him to sleep at night.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 24 2023 08:24 AM Re: Max Scherzer's Suspension Deserves Its Own Thread

I'd be ok with this suspension if Max had not totally sucked as a Met to date 11-5 in 2022 with a 2.29 ERA. That's not "totally sucking". By my math, he'll be eligible to return on April 30. Does that sound right?

Edgy MD Apr 24 2023 09:02 AM Re: Max Scherzer's Suspension Deserves Its Own Thread

Ashie's on something of a roll. I reflect upon Scherzer's "sweat and rosin" quote above. What he isn't saying is whether he's using MLB's certified rosin. Or MLB's certified sweat, for that matter.

Bob Alpacadaca Apr 24 2023 10:41 AM Re: Max Scherzer's Suspension Deserves Its Own Thread

He seems to be one of those guys who is so competitive that he finds the loopholes and looks for any edge. I see the point that "excessive" is subjective, and that Phil Cuzzi's standard might be different than that of other umpires. I also get that if MLB is looking to make a statement, calling foul on someone of Max's stature has more impact than than bouncing a reliever on the AAA shuttle.

metirish Apr 24 2023 10:46 AM Re: Max Scherzer's Suspension Deserves Its Own Thread

During the long conversation last night the ESPN booth had David Cone said a lot of things, one being that what better way for MLB to make a point than with someone like Max

MFS62 Apr 24 2023 11:16 AM Re: Max Scherzer's Suspension Deserves Its Own Thread

Edgy MD wrote: "I swear on my kids' lives, I'm not using anything else. This is sweat and rosin. Sweat and rosin." Well, that's a firmer denial. There was a caller on either WFAN or ESPN radio who said he had mentioned that to a Psychologist. The Psychologist told him that is one of the text book things liars say. I'm not sure how credible this was, but interesting. Later

Benjamin Grimm Apr 24 2023 11:20 AM Re: Max Scherzer's Suspension Deserves Its Own Thread

I've never been sure what it means to "swear on someone's life". Are they saying that if they're lying, their loved one will immediately be struck by lightning?

Edgy MD Apr 24 2023 11:26 AM Re: Max Scherzer's Suspension Deserves Its Own Thread

More likely it means that you are willing to allow them killed if you are found to be lying. It's supposed to come across as a bold statement, but on reflection, it tends to come up short on it's intent for three reasons: [list=1] [*]The universe tends not to collect if you are found to be lying. [*]Other humans also tend to spare your loved ones' lives. It's just not worth it. I'd rather Max Scherzer give me a cool thousand dollars if I can establish that he's lying. That's worth more to me than the right to murder his children. Why would that appeal to me? [*]While our children's lives are precious to most anybody, they are far more precious to the children themselves. If you're going to put skin in the game, it's far more meaningful to me if put your own. [/list] But whatever.

MFS62 Apr 24 2023 12:07 PM Re: Max Scherzer's Suspension Deserves Its Own Thread

Edgy MD wrote: [*] I'd rather Max Scherzer give me a cool thousand dollars if I can establish that he's lying. That's worth more to me than the right to murder his children. Or $5 million like the pillow guy now has to pony up. Later

batmagadanleadoff Apr 24 2023 12:40 PM Re: Max Scherzer's Suspension Deserves Its Own Thread

=MFS62 post_id=123349 time=1682356601 user_id=60] The Psychologist told him that is one of the text book things liars say. I'm not sure how credible this was, but interesting.

I've always believed this.



Does anyone really think that Scherzer believed something bad would happen to his kids or that they would die if he lied to the umps?

Edgy MD Apr 24 2023 12:44 PM Re: Max Scherzer's Suspension Deserves Its Own Thread

I like local colloquial versions. "I swear on my mother's eyes!" "I swear on my left nut!" "I swear on a stack o' Bibles!"

batmagadanleadoff Apr 24 2023 12:51 PM Re: Max Scherzer's Suspension Deserves Its Own Thread

It's a neat way to eliminate your enemies and rivals, if it works. Just tell somebody an awful, reprehensible but obvious lie and when they call you on the lie, swear on your enemies' lives that you were telling the truth.

kcmets Apr 24 2023 12:57 PM Re: Max Scherzer's Suspension Deserves Its Own Thread

Always found, "I swear on my mother's grave!" kinda amusing. Really going way out on a limb to a box of decaying worm-eatin' dead carcass there. "But that aside, let me say that I swear, on the souls of my grandchildren, that I will not be the one who will break the peace we have made here today."

MFS62 Apr 24 2023 01:01 PM Re: Max Scherzer's Suspension Deserves Its Own Thread

"But that aside, let me say that I swear, on the souls of my grandchildren, that I will not be the one who will break the peace we have made here today." You beat me to that quote by about ten nanoseconds. LOL! Later

Frayed Knot Apr 24 2023 01:12 PM Re: Max Scherzer's Suspension Deserves Its Own Thread

"But that aside, let me say that I swear, on the souls of my grandchildren, that I will not be the one who will break the peace we have made here today." [now my youngest son on the other hand ...]

Edgy MD Apr 26 2023 02:08 PM Re: Max Scherzer's Suspension Deserves Its Own Thread

Does anyone have any theories as to why a guy getting suspended for using human growth hormone can be replaced on the roster, but a guy getting suspended for using Spider Tack cannot?

MFS62 Apr 26 2023 03:08 PM Re: Max Scherzer's Suspension Deserves Its Own Thread

Edgy MD wrote: Does anyone have any theories as to why a guy getting suspended for using human growth hormone can be replaced on the roster, but a guy getting suspended for using Spider Tack cannot? Just guessing. The discovery of the Spider Tack happens out in front of the fans and (gasp) cameras. The discovery of the HGH is in a lab, with few prying eyes. MLB must feel the Spider Tack is more damaging to their image. The HGH suspension makes the next day's papers, but nobody reads them any more. That's the only thing I can think of. Is there a difference in length of suspension? Later

Edgy MD Apr 26 2023 03:16 PM Re: Max Scherzer's Suspension Deserves Its Own Thread

Very much so. One is half a season for a first offense and the other is 10 days. But the audience is equally cognizant either way. Besides, being unable to replace the player on the roster penalizes the team, not the guy.

MFS62 Apr 26 2023 03:19 PM Re: Max Scherzer's Suspension Deserves Its Own Thread

Right. It doesn't seem reasonable. Or fair. Later

whippoorwill Apr 27 2023 07:15 AM Re: Max Scherzer's Suspension Deserves Its Own Thread

What does the ! In the triangle mean?

Edgy MD Apr 27 2023 07:59 AM Re: Max Scherzer's Suspension Deserves Its Own Thread

I don't know. I've tried to figure it out myself.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 27 2023 08:19 AM Re: Max Scherzer's Suspension Deserves Its Own Thread

Me too. I think it means that somebody reported one of the posts, but I don't see any record of that anywhere.

whippoorwill Apr 27 2023 08:26 AM Re: Max Scherzer's Suspension Deserves Its Own Thread

I'll bet it was Max Scherzer!

G-Fafif Apr 27 2023 11:24 AM Re: Max Scherzer's Suspension Deserves Its Own Thread

The triangle showed up as I was posting. I didn't know what it meant then, either.

nymr83 May 04 2023 07:29 AM Re: Max Scherzer's Suspension Deserves Its Own Thread

The decline in spin rate from Scherzer's previous start to last night was the biggest decline from one start to another in his career (limited to the time that statcast has been around). His velocity was down again. But, yeah, he wasn't cheating.

ashie62 May 04 2023 08:15 AM Re:v Max Scherzer's Suspension Deserves Its Own Thread

I'm blaming it all on the aforementioned triangle

nymr83 May 04 2023 08:54 PM Re: Max Scherzer's Suspension Deserves Its Own Thread

Edgy MD wrote: Does anyone have any theories as to why a guy getting suspended for using human growth hormone can be replaced on the roster, but a guy getting suspended for using Spider Tack cannot? Maybe MLB feels that human growth hormone is often being ingested at home (at least in the modern anti-steroid era) where as spider tack is necessarily being applied right before the game, if not between innings, and so the club knew or should have known the cheating was happening?

Edgy MD May 04 2023 09:34 PM Re: Max Scherzer's Suspension Deserves Its Own Thread

That's as good a theory as any, I guess. I'm kind of flummoxed. Are there any other suspensions we've seen where the player can't be replaced?

Fman99 May 05 2023 05:55 AM Re: Max Scherzer's Suspension Deserves Its Own Thread

=G-Fafif post_id=123658 time=1682616249 user_id=55] The triangle showed up as I was posting. I didn't know what it meant then, either.

I love when the triangle shows up

ashie62 May 09 2023 05:09 AM Re: Max Scherzer's Suspension Deserves Its Own Thread

Not a suspension but Max says he is having discomfort in the area around his scapula

metirish May 09 2023 05:19 AM Re: Max Scherzer's Suspension Deserves Its Own Thread

=ashie62 post_id=124757 time=1683630591 user_id=90] Not a suspension but Max says he is having discomfort in the area around his scapula

Oh boy

Edgy MD May 09 2023 06:04 AM Re: Max Scherzer's Suspension Deserves Its Own Thread

Looks like we'll be seeing a lot more of José Butto.

ashie62 May 09 2023 06:39 AM Re: Max Scherzer's Suspension Deserves Its Own Thread

I kinda like Butto. He looks like a "thin" version of Colon and yes he may be making more than a few starts LGB

G-Fafif May 09 2023 07:50 AM Re: Max Scherzer's Suspension Deserves Its Own Thread

Let's hope Max Scherzer's scapula won't deserve its own thread.

whippoorwill May 09 2023 08:59 AM Re: Max Scherzer's Suspension Deserves Its Own Thread

Scherzer is probably toast

bmfc1 May 09 2023 10:58 AM Re: Max Scherzer's Suspension Deserves Its Own Thread

Peterson is flying to Cincinnati just in case. Uh oh.

nymr83 May 09 2023 11:48 AM Re: Max Scherzer's Suspension Deserves Its Own Thread

Edgy MD wrote: That's as good a theory as any, I guess. I'm kind of flummoxed. Are there any other suspensions we've seen where the player can't be replaced? I can't think of any

metirish May 09 2023 01:06 PM Re: Max Scherzer's Suspension Deserves Its Own Thread

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/Mets/status/1656012584066207746[/TWEET]

ashie62 May 09 2023 01:13 PM Re: Max Scherzer's Suspension Deserves Its Own Thread

Wow, Uncle Steve is burning a ridiculous amount of cash by anyone's standards

G-Fafif May 13 2023 11:51 AM Re: Max Scherzer's Suspension Deserves Its Own Thread

Max starts Sunday.