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IGT 6/23 Mets vs Phillies Salvation Series Senga Time

ashie62 Jun 23 2023 01:12 PM

Kodai Senga vs Tijuan Walker tonight Salvation through winning or salvation by selling the pieces possibly Weather in the northeast from NY to DC is flukey for the next week so let's hope for the best This is an ATV+ game

ashie62 Jun 23 2023 01:34 PM Re: IGT 6/23 Mets vs Phillies Salvation Series Senga Time

Nimmo 8 Marte 9 Lindor 6 Alonso 3 Vogelbach DH Pham 7 McNeil 4 Alvarez 2 Baty 5 Senga 1

Frayed Knot Jun 23 2023 01:36 PM Re: IGT 6/23 Mets vs Phillies Salvation Series Senga Time

Radio game for me.

ashie62 Jun 23 2023 03:41 PM Re: IGT 6/23 Mets vs Phillies Salvation Series Senga Time

Same here

Lefty Specialist Jun 23 2023 03:52 PM Re: IGT 6/23 Mets vs Phillies Salvation Series Senga Time

I get Apple+, but I'll probably do radio anyway.

ashie62 Jun 23 2023 04:35 PM Re: IGT 6/23 Mets vs Phillies Salvation Series Senga Time

Raining in Philly

ashie62 Jun 23 2023 05:12 PM Re: IGT 6/23 Mets vs Phillies Salvation Series Senga Time

It has begun

bmfc1 Jun 23 2023 05:20 PM Re: IGT 6/23 Mets vs Phillies Salvation Series Senga Time

More terrible fundamentals by a team managed by someone who is supposed to have fundamentals taken care of.

ashie62 Jun 23 2023 05:29 PM Re: IGT 6/23 Mets vs Phillies Salvation Series Senga Time

Bad Senga wild 2-0 Phillies

metirish Jun 23 2023 05:51 PM Re: IGT 6/23 Mets vs Phillies Salvation Series Senga Time

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/Mets/status/1672391623529967617[/TWEET]

Fman99 Jun 23 2023 06:05 PM Re: IGT 6/23 Mets vs Phillies Salvation Series Senga Time

It took me 15-20 minutes of clicking through pop ups and shitty ads to find a live stream of this game. Fuck all of the networks

Edgy MD Jun 23 2023 06:12 PM Re: IGT 6/23 Mets vs Phillies Salvation Series Senga Time

Ms. Edgy: What are they doing? Edgy: Interviewing Lindor. Ms. Edgy: During the game?! When he's supposed to be playing? Edgy: That's what they're doing. Ms. Edgy: Can't they save the interviews for after the game? Edgy: Or before, sure. Ms. Edgy: Then why are they doing this? Edgy: They think it's what fans want. Ms. Edgy: I may not be a superfan, but ... I'm a fan. Edgy: And what's your opinion? Ms. Edgy: I'm horrified. Edgy: HAH! Duly noted. Ms. Edgy: Who's that he's talking to? Edgy: Wayne Randazzo. He used to do Met games. Ms. Edgy: That guy? He's an idiot. Edgy: Well, he did radio. Ms. Edgy: Radio counts! Listen to him! He LOLs at himself after every question! Is AppleTV Clown College? 　　Scene.

metirish Jun 23 2023 06:33 PM Re: IGT 6/23 Mets vs Phillies Salvation Series Senga Time

Ok I've seen enough of Paco

metirish Jun 23 2023 06:36 PM Re: IGT 6/23 Mets vs Phillies Salvation Series Senga Time

This is painful, the PBP guy can't even call the game cos they want to hear what Paco is saying

Edgy MD Jun 23 2023 06:37 PM Re: IGT 6/23 Mets vs Phillies Salvation Series Senga Time

Really? I can watch Paco Figueroa adjust the Velcro on his arm brace all night. That's pay-per-view quality entertainment right there.

Edgy MD Jun 23 2023 06:38 PM Re: IGT 6/23 Mets vs Phillies Salvation Series Senga Time

Also, that was a pretty awful call giving Senga strike three to end that inning.

Edgy MD Jun 23 2023 06:58 PM Re: IGT 6/23 Mets vs Phillies Salvation Series Senga Time

Throw a strike, Walker.

metirish Jun 23 2023 06:59 PM Re: IGT 6/23 Mets vs Phillies Salvation Series Senga Time

Wow another gift

Edgy MD Jun 23 2023 07:00 PM Re: IGT 6/23 Mets vs Phillies Salvation Series Senga Time

Mercy me.

Edgy MD Jun 23 2023 07:02 PM Re: IGT 6/23 Mets vs Phillies Salvation Series Senga Time

This game is about to be stop't.

Edgy MD Jun 23 2023 07:09 PM Re: IGT 6/23 Mets vs Phillies Salvation Series Senga Time

Nope. It pours rain for about seven minutes and stops. But it's the seven minutes when Walker is in the game.

Frayed Knot Jun 23 2023 07:13 PM Re: IGT 6/23 Mets vs Phillies Salvation Series Senga Time

Those runs were all earned ... but they kind of weren't.

Edgy MD Jun 23 2023 07:14 PM Re: IGT 6/23 Mets vs Phillies Salvation Series Senga Time

Escobar would be pinch-hitting for Vogebach here if he was, you know, a Met. Not sure why Canha wasn't up there.

Edgy MD Jun 23 2023 07:26 PM Re: IGT 6/23 Mets vs Phillies Salvation Series Senga Time

McNeil still cares.

Fman99 Jun 23 2023 07:39 PM Re: IGT 6/23 Mets vs Phillies Salvation Series Senga Time

Edgy MD wrote: McNeil still cares. He's got me beat then

Edgy MD Jun 23 2023 07:51 PM Re: IGT 6/23 Mets vs Phillies Salvation Series Senga Time

If only we could handle shallow outfield popups with the acumen and grace of Kyle Schwarber.

Edgy MD Jun 23 2023 07:55 PM Re: IGT 6/23 Mets vs Phillies Salvation Series Senga Time

Frayed Knot wrote: Those runs were all earned ... but they kind of weren't. We're sort of trapped by out-of-date — ancient, by baseball standards — ideology when it comes to what we judge to be an outfield error and, consequently, what we judge to be earned runs.

Fman99 Jun 23 2023 08:05 PM Re: IGT 6/23 Mets vs Phillies Salvation Series Senga Time

My illegal stream crapped out sometime in the 7th or 8th inning and I didn't even bother trying to pick it back up again. I'm quite discouraged at this point.

batmagadanleadoff Jun 23 2023 09:41 PM Re: IGT 6/23 Mets vs Phillies Salvation Series Senga Time

If the Mets keep this up, why would Ohtani wanna come to play here? I mean, if he leaves the Angels, it's gonna be to play for a winning team.

Edgy MD Jun 23 2023 09:54 PM Re: IGT 6/23 Mets vs Phillies Salvation Series Senga Time

Do you believe that?

batmagadanleadoff Jun 23 2023 10:02 PM Re: IGT 6/23 Mets vs Phillies Salvation Series Senga Time

Absolutely. I don't think he wants to play for a three year plan or hear about "visions". I think he wants to win now. A baseball player's prime is extremely short in the grand scheme of things and that's even without sustaining any serious injuries. And Ohtani knows this. He's already had a serious injury and lost meaningful playing time. And he's a pitcher. So up the risk on that.

Edgy MD Jun 23 2023 10:21 PM Re: IGT 6/23 Mets vs Phillies Salvation Series Senga Time

I think any player at the top of his field who asks if his team is committed to winning is going to get an "Absolutely, that's why we're offering a billion dollars to you, aren't we?" Certainly no team is going to tell you they aren't committed to winning. And any player who says "Show me" can look at his own payday. Yankee fans for time immemorial have been calling WFAN and telling how this top player or that one will want to come to the Yankees because he wants to win. But no player and no team is going to say any different. Cada equipo quiere ganar.

batmagadanleadoff Jun 23 2023 10:35 PM Re: IGT 6/23 Mets vs Phillies Salvation Series Senga Time

I already addressed this, if tersely. I don't believe that Ohtani wants to hear about hope and promises. I think Ohtani wants a more concrete winning environment. If the Mets continue at this season's pace, they will have had losing seasons in two of the last three years. Nimmo and McNeil and Alonso are an excellent core but the Mets have had those players for quite some time now and haven't won a goddamn thing with them yet. IF Scherzer and Verlander don't revert to form, the team has no starting pitching --- and nobody down below that can make a meaningful impact is close to major-league ready. Senga has had some moments of brilliance, but just as much ineffectiveness, mediocrity and awfulness. He's unreliable. And Scherzer and Verlander are gonna be a year older next year. The smart money bets that they're gonna get worse, not better. I can't see Ohtani wanting to play here under those conditions.

Edgy MD Jun 23 2023 11:00 PM Re: IGT 6/23 Mets vs Phillies Salvation Series Senga Time

The future is all hope and promises. At best. Nothing there is concrete. And that's certainly what I'd tell my client. Jacob deGrom had his ticket punched for any team he wanted. He chose a team that won 68 games last season, 60 the year before that, and 22 of 60 in 2021. I don't believe he didn't want to win. I think he understood that recent seasons' records alone don't represent coming seasons for a team. You look at the broad picture and put your faith where you will. In the end, only one team walks away and it's a modestly educated guess as to which team that will be.

batmagadanleadoff Jun 24 2023 12:12 AM Re: IGT 6/23 Mets vs Phillies Salvation Series Senga Time

Jake deGrom limited himself to a small geographic area of America - namely the slavery belt or whatever else you'd wanna call the southeast. Ideally, he would've pitched for the Braves, a winning team about as close to his home as any other team in baseball. But the Braves had zero interest in deGrom. deGrom signed with the only team that showed interest in him, checked his geographic box, and was willing to spend the money needed to lure deGrom. I think that the stuff about deGrom buying into the Rangers' plans was a horseshit cover story, even though, as things turned out, the Rangers improved vastly and are one of baseball's best teams this year. What else was deGrom gonna say -- that he didn't wanna play in NYC for a team that just came off a 101 win season? But we'll see. No matter how the Mets finish this season, Cohen has more money than anyone else and NYC is the greatest city in the world, and those are huge advantages.

ashie62 Jun 24 2023 03:49 AM Re: IGT 6/23 Mets vs Phillies Salvation Series Senga Time Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 24 2023 08:17 AM

Low water mark

Benjamin Grimm Jun 24 2023 06:12 AM Re: IGT 6/23 Mets vs Phillies Salvation Series Senga Time

http://potg.ultimatemets.com/images/schaefer19.jpg> Cast your vote!

bmfc1 Jun 24 2023 07:32 AM Re: IGT 6/23 Mets vs Phillies Salvation Series Senga Time

Edgy MD wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: Those runs were all earned ... but they kind of weren't. We're sort of trapped by out-of-date — ancient, by baseball standards — ideology when it comes to what we judge to be an outfield error and, consequently, what we judge to be earned runs. Right. It's absurd that Senga had to be charged with 2 ERs because his teammates can't catch a pop-up but it wasn't clear who should get the error as neither player touched the ball so there was no error on the play (hopefully the FO is trying to fix this stupidity).

bmfc1 Jun 24 2023 07:35 AM Re: IGT 6/23 Mets vs Phillies Salvation Series Senga Time

Edgy MD wrote: Escobar would be pinch-hitting for Vogebach here if he was, you know, a Met. Not sure why Canha wasn't up there. Buck was asked about this and he said that Vogelbach was hot and he only had one pinch-hitter (a by-product of making the trade during and not after the game) so he chose to PH for Baty (even though Vogelbach can hit LHPs about as well as he can run and field).

Edgy MD Jun 24 2023 07:58 AM Re: IGT 6/23 Mets vs Phillies Salvation Series Senga Time

Vogelbach's futility against lefties seems likely to be true, but it's also largely an abstract thing, as he's generally been pulled as soon as a lefty enters the game. Last night's plate appearance was only his ninth trip against a southpaw all season. He had been oh-for-eight up until then, so it was a really lousy time to test the proposition, against a fireballer like that. Buck was looking ahead, thinking he wanted his one righthanded pinch-hitter available to sub for Baty, but at least Baty had faced lefties during the season. Mark Canha has some on-basing acumen. Replacing Vogie as the leadoff batter is where I'd have deployed him.

batmagadanleadoff Jul 01 2023 11:52 PM Re: IGT 6/23 Mets vs Phillies Salvation Series Senga Time

Edgy MD wrote: The future is all hope and promises. At best. Nothing there is concrete. "Hope is not a strategy." Steve Cohen, himself. More on the Mets likely pursuit of Ohtani from The Athletic: Rosenthal: If Mets sell at trade deadline, options range from the obvious to the extreme Excerpt: One other point to consider: If the Mets are serious about landing Shohei Ohtani -- and with Cohen, why wouldn't they be? -- they will need to present the two-way sensation with a coherent vision of how they intend to win. A five year plan is not going to entice Ohtani, and Cohen also wants no part of such a thing, having said upon taking over as owner in Nov. 2020 that he expected a championship in 3 to 5 years. [***] Ohtani would not want to join this version of the Mets, not when he will have other lucrative options. __________ Also: If aging Mets are bad now, what does it mean for 2024? ‘Not a great place to be' Excerpt: NEW YORK — A losing season reverberates, its consequences rippling out into the future in ways unpredictable. For the Mets, their wholly disappointing first half of 2023, which continued in a 5-2 loss to the Brewers Wednesday, doesn't just limit their chances to play October baseball this season. It also calls into question their long-term roster construction and the strategy that led to it. New York is already the oldest team in baseball, and most of that age is slated to return next season. The Mets are paying players 32 and older roughly $186 million this season (not counting salaries for Robinson Canó and James McCann). They're already scheduled to pay such players $153 million next year. If that core looks like this in 2023, should they expect it to be any better in 2024? “If it turns out we don't improve, and we're looking at '24, let's say we're with a similar team and one year older, for a veteran team, that's probably not a great place to be,” owner Steve Cohen said during his wide-ranging press conference on Wednesday. “I mean, it could get better. But it may not. We have to make those judgments.” https://theathletic.com/4650402/2023/06/29/mets-struggles-2024-roster/

Edgy MD Jul 02 2023 05:25 AM Re: IGT 6/23 Mets vs Phillies Salvation Series Senga Time

Edgy MD wrote: The future is all hope and promises. At best. Nothing there is concrete. "Hope is not a strategy." Steve Cohen, himself. I didn't write that it was.

batmagadanleadoff Jul 02 2023 11:57 AM Re: IGT 6/23 Mets vs Phillies Salvation Series Senga Time

Edgy MD wrote: Edgy MD wrote: The future is all hope and promises. At best. Nothing there is concrete. "Hope is not a strategy." Steve Cohen, himself. I didn't write that it was. I know.