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Yay Pete, He's an All-Star

G-Fafif Jul 02 2023 04:06 PM

Pete Alonso is the lone Met on the 2023 NL All-Star team.

metirish Jul 03 2023 05:42 AM Re: Yay Pete, He's an All-Star

Congratulations to Pete , HR Derby too

Frayed Knot Jul 03 2023 06:14 AM Re: Yay Pete, He's an All-Star

The ESPN crew mentioned Pete in the HR Derby so often last night that you'd think they televise that event or something. Quite a coincidence also that they chose him to be their in-game interview giving him a platform for his 'surprise' announcement.

metirish Jul 03 2023 07:07 AM Re: Yay Pete, He's an All-Star

Right, and the very awkward high fives from Eduardo Perez to Cone and Karl , cringe

Johnny Lunchbucket Jul 03 2023 09:35 AM Re: Yay Pete, He's an All-Star

If I'm honest Zimmo was the better All-Star choice

Edgy MD Jul 03 2023 12:11 PM Re: Yay Pete, He's an All-Star

It's not the distinction you aim for, but Nimmo's got a real chance to pass Mookie Wilson as the all-time most-accomplished Met to never represent the team as an All-Star.

vtmet7 Jul 03 2023 09:34 PM Re: Yay Pete, He's an All-Star

well someone's gotta represent...although a first base man hitting .221 feels a little like a Dave Kingman representation this year...

vtmet7 Jul 03 2023 09:41 PM Re: Yay Pete, He's an All-Star

Edgy MD wrote: It's not the distinction you aim for, but Nimmo's got a real chance to pass Mookie Wilson as the all-time most-accomplished Met to never represent the team as an All-Star. how many non-power hitting outfielders are on a pace for 170 strikeouts in a season?

Edgy MD Jul 03 2023 10:12 PM Re: Yay Pete, He's an All-Star

Is that a rhetorical question?

vtmet7 Jul 03 2023 10:16 PM Re: Yay Pete, He's an All-Star

Edgy MD wrote: Is that a rhetorical question? It was more a comment of why he's not an all star...the Mets fans may love his taking a ton of pitches, but I don't think that a guy that strikes out a ton is as valuable as we might be led to believe vs other OFers that put up better numbers...OF is a very crowded position for all star selection, he might be able to do it as an infielder or a catcher (which is technically an infielder as well) but the competition is pretty fierce for those OF spots by comparison, Jose Ramirez is on a pace of 70 strikeouts (while on a pace for 78 walks)...has a .506 slugging percentage and an .867 OPS...and plays third base...so obviously he's an all star...

Edgy MD Jul 03 2023 10:24 PM Re: Yay Pete, He's an All-Star

Edgy MD wrote: Is that a rhetorical question? It was more a comment of why he's not an all star... So, then, yeah, it was a rhetorical question. And you weren't looking for an answer at all. If you mean to imply that Brandon Nimmo is in that theoretical group, as you certainly seem to, he's neither on a pace to strike out 170 times nor is he a "non-power hitter," so he certainly isn't in that group at all. Your comments about what "Met fans love" is just a straw-man argument.

vtmet7 Jul 03 2023 10:31 PM Re: Yay Pete, He's an All-Star Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 03 2023 10:49 PM

he has 85 strikeouts at the half way point of the season...35 of those came in June...so 85 times 2 is 170...and if you go by "trends" instead of "pace", and his June "trend" continues, he could easily eclipse 170... However, after looking at the NL roster, it does seem like Lourdes Gurriel and Nick Castallanos are a bit of a stretch getting nods over Nimmo...neither one is overly impressive either with their stats; but I guess that you need a token Philly and the D'backs are tied for the 3rd best record in the Majors, so that probably gave Gurriel a bump... and according to fangraphs, Pete is tied for the 6th best first baseman even with all his HRs... https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=1b&stats=bat&lg=nl&qual=y&type=8&season=2023&month=0&season1=2023&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&startdate=2023-01-01&enddate=2023-12-31

Edgy MD Jul 03 2023 10:48 PM Re: Yay Pete, He's an All-Star

We're not at the half-way point of the season. As for "go by 'trends' instead of 'pace'," pace was your term, not mine. I'm not sure why those terms are even in quotes. I'm also not sure how many false characterizations we have to sort through here, or why your question/not-a-question/comment was directed at me at all. I didn't endorse the guy for the All-Star Team in the post you chose to quote. I, in fact, didn't endorse him for it at all. Lunchbucket did (somewhat tepidly, in fact). And he endorsed him over Alonso, not over José Ramirez.

vtmet7 Jul 03 2023 10:54 PM Re: Yay Pete, He's an All-Star

I wasn't directing anything towards you...apologies if by quoting the mention of Nimmo not making the all stars made it appear that way... I also don't understand why when I have an opinion, you call it many false characterizations to sort thru here (yeah, I know I will probably get chastised for not spelling through correctly, as well)...lately I've had a few things that I have posted, that IMO felt like harmless comments that you have ripped me for...if you don't want me posting, then I won't... I find the offensive strategy of this team very frustrating: take pitches and swing for the fences without much in between...

Edgy MD Jul 03 2023 11:06 PM Re: Yay Pete, He's an All-Star

You explicitly directed your comments at me, but you feel "ripped" if I respond? I called your characterizations false because they were false. Nimmo is not a "non-power hitter" by any fair measure. A pace for 163.92 strikeouts may be close to 170, but it isn't 170. It's just not true. Changing your measure from "pace" to "trend" after the fact is just moving the goalposts. Nor does it in any way (at all) dispute the (rather anodyne) notion that Nimmo may be approaching the dubious honor of being the best Met player to never achieve an All-Star Selection. I hoped that was a thoughtful observation, but if you want to dispute it, I'd be happy to read somebody writing that this status doesn't belong to Mookie Wilson at all, but to John Olerud or Craig Swan. But instead you use my post as an excuse to grind an axe against Brandon Nimmo and against what Met fans "love." You don't see where that's at least a little obnoxious?

batmagadanleadoff Jul 04 2023 12:48 AM Re: Yay Pete, He's an All-Star

I think that the issue here is that every team must be represented at the ASG. Otherwise, the Mets probably wouldn't have a selection at all this year, especially when an All-Star is determined almost entirely by performance over the first half of the season in question. I also think that Nimmo's having a better season than Alonso. Pete's 20+ HR's are awesome but he's making way too many damn outs. Rate-wise, though, no Met has been better than Pham, so far.

Marshmallowmilkshake Jul 04 2023 06:18 AM Re: Yay Pete, He's an All-Star

Nimmo might still make it. There are usually a number of guys who beg off due to injury. Pete's an elite power hitter and a derby fave, so I can see him getting the nod. I love the All-Star Game.

Marshmallowmilkshake Jul 04 2023 07:30 AM Re: Yay Pete, He's an All-Star Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 04 2023 10:22 AM

=Marshmallowmilkshake post_id=130756 time=1688473133 user_id=119] Nimmo might still make it. There are usually a number of guys who beg off due to injury. Pete's an elite power hitter and a derby fave, so I can see him getting the nod. I think Lindor is better than the Braves shortstop who is starting. I love the All-Star Game.

Accidental double post!

Edgy MD Jul 04 2023 08:21 AM Re: Yay Pete, He's an All-Star

I think that the issue here is that every team must be represented at the ASG. Unintentionally so, perhaps, but yes, of course that's the issue. The question raised is a simple one of whether Nimmo is having a better overall season than Alonso, with the implicit understanding that each team gets at least one All-Star, whether he is having a better season than other players around the league or not. Fun Fact: While we've seen some lovely plays by Brandon Nimmo in centerfield this year, The Fielding Bible's numbers don't reflect well on him at all. So that's worth scratching at.

G-Fafif Jul 04 2023 08:30 AM Re: Yay Pete, He's an All-Star

A salute of sorts to the worthy (or worthy-ish) Mets who never made an All-Star team as Mets, for those who like to read, or those who like to listen…or both!

stevejrogers Jul 08 2023 08:17 AM Re: Yay Pete, He's an All-Star

Lindor is starting to stake a claim for at least the best Metly years as a SS without being named to an All-Star team, yet.

Edgy MD Jul 08 2023 08:36 AM Re: Yay Pete, He's an All-Star

Not a lot of great options at catcher. Pretty much, when a Met catcher has deserved to be an All-Star, he's been an All-Star, and perhaps once or twice when he didn't quite deserve it. Most of the other categories were hard has heck, though. I've long been trumpeting how good Clendenon's 1970 is, for instance, but how does one deny a chance to give Olerud's 1998 its due? FIRST BASE __DONN CLENDENON, 1970 __IKE DAVIS, 2010 __CARLOS DELGADO, 2006 __JOHN MILNER, 1974 _X_JOHN OLERUD, 1998 SECOND BASE __WALLY BACKMAN 1986 __DOUG FLYNN, 1980 __GREGG JEFFERIES, 1990 __JEFF KENT, 1994 _X_FELIX MILLAN, 1975 THIRD BASE _X_HUBIE BROOKS, 1984 __WAYNE GARRETT, 1973 __RAY KNIGHT, 1986 __LENNY RANDLE, 1977 __ROBIN VENTURA, 1999 SHORTSTOP __ASDRUBAL CABRERA, 2016 __KEVIN ELSTER, 1989 _X_REY ORDOÑEZ, 1999 __RAFAEL SANTANA, 1987 __FRANK TAVERAS, 1979 CATCHER __JOHN BUCK, 2013 __TRAVIS d'ARNAUD, 2017 __JESSE GONDER, 1964 _X_WILSON RAMOS, 2019 __MACKEY SASSER, 1990 LEFT FIELD __GEORGE FOSTER, 1984 __CLIFF FLOYD, 2005 _X_BERNARD GILKEY, 1996 __KEVIN McREYNOLDS, 1988 __FRANK THOMAS, 1962 CENTER FIELD _X_TOMMIE AGEE, 1970 __LENNY DYKSTRA, 1986 __JUAN LAGARES, 2014 __DEL UNSER, 1975 __MOOKIE WILSON, 1982 RIGHT FIELD __JAY BRUCE, 2017 __JOE CHRISTOPHER, 1964 __CURTIS GRANDERSON, 2015 _X_RUSTY STAUB, 1975 __RON SWOBODA, 1968 ONE EXTRA GUY* _X_BENNY AGBAYANI, 1999 __ENDY CHAVEZ, 2006 __CARL EVERETT, 1997 __WILMER FLORES, 2016 __ART SHAMSKY, 1970 *Player who's somewhere between a utilityman and an everyday starter STARTING PITCHER __MARK BOMBACK, 1980 __GARY GENTRY, 1971 _X_TERRY LEACH, 1987 __BOBBY OJEDA, 1986 __CRAIG SWAN, 1978 SETUP RELIEVER __LARRY BEARNARTH, 1964 __DENNIS COOK, 1998 __PEDRO FELICIANO, 2010 _X_DOUG SISK, 1984 __TURK WENDELL, 1999 CLOSER __NEIL ALLEN, 1980 _X_BOB APODACA, 1975 __BRADEN LOOPER, 2004 __ROGER McDOWELL, 1986 __RANDY MYERS, 1988

batmagadanleadoff Jul 08 2023 10:04 AM Re: Yay Pete, He's an All-Star

Edgy MD wrote: , but how does one deny a chance to give Olerud's 1998 its due? Because 1998 was smack in the middle of the steroids era and Olerud was competing against cartoonishly beefed-up home run mashers like Bagwell, Galarraga and especially McGwire, who hit 70 HRs that year and dominated the news cycle, along with Sosa. I remember it well. Chicks always did dig the long ball.

Edgy MD Jul 08 2023 12:48 PM Re: Yay Pete, He's an All-Star

Yeah, but in Greg's poll, my vote counts as much as any chick's, and in 1998 Olerud out-fWARred 'em all, save for McGwire. He was #2 in WPA also. If we could factor in 2023-quality defensive metrics, that might well close the gap considerably.

batmagadanleadoff Jul 08 2023 12:57 PM Re: Yay Pete, He's an All-Star

Edgy MD wrote: Yeah, but in Greg's poll, my vote counts as much as any chick's, and in 1998 Olerud out-fWARred 'em all, save for McGwire. He was #2 in WPA also. If we could factor in 2023-quality defensive metrics, that might well close the gap considerably. You're preaching to the choir.

G-Fafif Jul 08 2023 01:06 PM Re: Yay Pete, He's an All-Star

Edgy MD wrote: Yeah, but in Greg's poll, my vote counts as much as any chick's, and in 1998 Olerud out-fWARred 'em all, save for McGwire. He was #2 in WPA also. If we could factor in 2023-quality defensive metrics, that might well close the gap considerably. Thanks for voting! The podcast episode for which the ballot was originally prepared goes deep on each position and candidate, with the just-misseds given their due as well. Listeners also learn which of the Met Stars That Never Were inspired this exercise a mere 48 years ago.

smg58 Jul 08 2023 02:15 PM Re: Yay Pete, He's an All-Star

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: If I'm honest Zimmo was the better All-Star choice You're honest.

stevejrogers Jul 08 2023 02:41 PM Re: Yay Pete, He's an All-Star

Senga added due to Stro pitching tomorrow

Edgy MD Jul 08 2023 04:09 PM Re: Yay Pete, He's an All-Star

Senga would be the Mets' first Asian-born All-Star. The selection also boosts his Rookie of the Year profile.

Fman99 Jul 10 2023 12:22 PM Re: Yay Pete, He's an All-Star

=Marshmallowmilkshake post_id=130756 time=1688473133 user_id=119] I love the All-Star Game.

I used to. Now I find it to be the dullest baseball game of the year. Interleague ball fully robbed it of any other magnitude the player/batter matchups might have.

Edgy MD Jul 10 2023 12:35 PM Re: Yay Pete, He's an All-Star

Do-ya-do-ya think the pitch clock will be enforced for the All-Star Game?

cal sharpie Jul 10 2023 01:16 PM Re: Yay Pete, He's an All-Star

And will they check pitcher's hands and give 'em a 10-game suspension if too sticky?

metirish Jul 10 2023 03:10 PM Re: Yay Pete, He's an All-Star

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/DPLennon/status/1678497032498208768[/TWEET]

Edgy MD Jul 10 2023 04:22 PM Re: Yay Pete, He's an All-Star

I bet he'd win if Max Scherzer pitched to him. ZING!!

ashie62 Jul 10 2023 07:38 PM Re: Yay Pete, He's an All-Star

You are correct The substitute pitcher could not get it in the wheelhouse consistently Julio Rodriguez crushed it with 41. Like a machine. Pete closed with 21 or so

metsmarathon Jul 10 2023 08:09 PM Re: Yay Pete, He's an All-Star

I think maybe I know why the Mets offense might be struggling, if he's the bp pitcher.

Marshmallowmilkshake Jul 10 2023 08:35 PM Re: Yay Pete, He's an All-Star

That was a microcosm of the whole season so far. High expectations. Lots of hype. Mediocre results.

kcmets Jul 11 2023 10:11 AM Re: Yay Pete, He's an All-Star

I just watched the Pete round. I don't really care much for the HR Derby these days but geez 'substitute pitcher' should be exiled to Gilligan's Island. No Mary Ann, no Ginger. Lovey's cabana boy might be too good for him...

metsmarathon Jul 11 2023 11:20 AM Re: Yay Pete, He's an All-Star

this year really was an argument for implementing a pitching machine into the home run derby. the variability in pitcher quality is enormous, and you could basically guess the winner each round just by watching the pitches thrown. j-rod beat pete by having a guy throwing on automatic, delivering nice flat fat pitches with an outstanding tempo directly into his wheelhouse. pete's pitches were delivered at a halting inconsistent pace, and all over the plate. not as bad as mookie betts' pitcher - sheesh, talk about being set up to fail! was he even briefed on there being a time limit?? - but after him, pete had the worst thrower in the first round, by far.

batmagadanleadoff Jul 11 2023 11:33 AM Re: Yay Pete, He's an All-Star Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 11 2023 11:47 AM

I agree. I watched the Alonso/JRod round. It was the only round I watched. I knew for sure that Pete had no chance after seeing just two or three of his pitcher's deliveries. He took too long to throw his pitches. Big fucking wind-up. JRod's pitcher, by contrast, was a goddam machine. The contest shouldn't hinge on the quality of the pitcher. Either get a pitching machine or give each batter a finite # of swings. And the format sucked because you couldn't even see the HRs or the flight of the batted ball. What then, is the point?

metsmarathon Jul 11 2023 11:45 AM Re: Yay Pete, He's an All-Star

i'd love to see a tracer follow the ball on each hit. and then keep that tracer up for the entire at bat. show me where he's been hitting 'em! and you can show me some cool notable hits from the competition, too. we have the technology, and screens are big enough to show it all. DO IT!