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Fishy David Robertson

G-Fafif Jul 27 2023 09:40 PM

Mets trade their closer to Miami, per Athletic.

G-Fafif Jul 27 2023 09:48 PM Re: Fishy David Robertson

Two minor league position players are the return.

nymr83 Jul 27 2023 09:49 PM Re: Fishy David Robertson

Very interesting, he was warming up in the bullpen prior to the rain delay so this must have been completed VERY last minute

batmagadanleadoff Jul 27 2023 09:50 PM Re: Fishy David Robertson

Looks like they're throwing in the towel. And to a WC rival, no less.

G-Fafif Jul 27 2023 10:00 PM Re: Fishy David Robertson

[tweet]https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1684774549743616000[/tweet]

Edgy MD Jul 27 2023 10:04 PM Re: Fishy David Robertson

Rain-delay dealing! If this deal goes through, he'll leave the team 25th on the all-time save list, tied with Robert Gsellman and Jack Hamilton.

Gwreck Jul 27 2023 10:13 PM Re: Fishy David Robertson

This sucks.

batmagadanleadoff Jul 28 2023 04:56 AM Re: Fishy David Robertson

So who's gonna replace Robertson in the Mets bullpen (as if it's gonna even matter)? Some ineffective humpty-dumpty reliever, no doubt. And it seems as if the Mets had cycled through 30 or 40 of this type over the last five or so seasons. Times two when Raley's dealt. Maybe Raley's value goes up with Robertson now unavailable to contenders. With the Mets 2023 luck, Raley'll catch a bad case of Covid before he can be traded. Watch the Mets pen get really toxic and flammable now.

RealityChuck Jul 28 2023 05:10 AM Re: Fishy David Robertson

A shortstop and a catcher. Two positions where they're lacking in prospects.

Lefty Specialist Jul 28 2023 05:17 AM Re: Fishy David Robertson

Well, teenagers rarely end up at the position they start at. Basically two lottery picks, ranked 18th and 21st in the Miami system. If there was any doubt, they're throwing in the towel. Back up the truck.

bmfc1 Jul 28 2023 05:23 AM Re: Fishy David Robertson

Maybe in 3 years, we're saying, "I can't believe we got Vargas for a guy who would be a FA in 2 months" but for now, they acquired two teenagers that will be merely names on a list for 3 years. I thought that they were going for high-level/close to ML-ready players but we have to believe that Billy sees something in these young players.

Johnny Lunchbucket Jul 28 2023 05:32 AM Re: Fishy David Robertson

Billy made it seem like it was an offer he couldn't refuse. Let's make more deals

Fman99 Jul 28 2023 05:35 AM Re: Fishy David Robertson

=Gwreck post_id=133045 time=1690517626 user_id=56]This sucks.

The punting of 2023 has officially begun. Frowny face

metirish Jul 28 2023 05:37 AM Re: Fishy David Robertson

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Billy made it seem like it was an offer he couldn't refuse. Let's make more deals Yeah, highly rated prospects apparently, perhaps one day we will look back and praise Billy

Marshmallowmilkshake Jul 28 2023 05:45 AM Re: Fishy David Robertson

Robertson was our best trading chip. This return seems underwhelming.

batmagadanleadoff Jul 28 2023 05:58 AM Re: Fishy David Robertson

=Marshmallowmilkshake post_id=133061 time=1690544711 user_id=119] Robertson was our best trading chip. This return seems underwhelming.

Even if Robertson was the best trading chip, I don't see how that would be relevant to what the Mets got in return for trading him. I mean, if the Mets had a better trading chip; is that supposed to have diminished Robertson's value? What does Robertson's value have to do with how good or bad any of the other Mets are?

ashie62 Jul 28 2023 06:42 AM Re: Fishy David Robertson

They gave Robertson away Couldn't get Mead or Carson Williams Wtf

ashie62 Jul 28 2023 06:44 AM Re: Fishy David Robertson

The Marlins signed Vargas for $17500

MFS62 Jul 28 2023 06:54 AM Re: Fishy David Robertson

=RealityChuck post_id=133052 time=1690542628 user_id=82] A shortstop and a catcher. Two positions where they're lacking in prospects.

My first thought.

Later

kcmets Jul 28 2023 07:30 AM Re: Fishy David Robertson

Not that this has much to do with Robertson or our two new prospects but I read somewhere the other day that Edwin Diaz is stretching out his throwing arm and now chucking 150 feet. He wants to pitch in 2023 and the Mets have not said no-way-jose. Yet.

Edgy MD Jul 28 2023 07:41 AM Re: Fishy David Robertson

I don't think any team should eschew acquiring talent at a position where they already have talent. It's all a process with a lot of moving pieces and an unknown future. I can't imagine how this can be thought of as giving a player away. This is two months of a reliever at the tag end of his career.

Johnny Lunchbucket Jul 28 2023 07:50 AM Re: Fishy David Robertson

Better than the 3 shitty relievers that we got in the Addison Reed deal

MFS62 Jul 28 2023 07:52 AM Re: Fishy David Robertson

No so much giving this particular player away as it gives the impression of the red flag inching up the flagpole for this season. His leaving lowers their chances for success unless they acquire (or find in the minors) a high leverage reliever of equal ability. Later

Edgy MD Jul 28 2023 08:05 AM Re: Fishy David Robertson

I'm not sure what a red flag is representing here. (A socialist uprising? A potentially bad boyfriend? Danger at the beach?) The giving the player away locution was ashie's.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 28 2023 08:33 AM Re: Fishy David Robertson

I would have preferred getting someone closer to the big leagues, maybe a AAA outfielder or starting pitcher, but I have to assume that the Mets made the best deal that was available to them.

metsmarathon Jul 28 2023 08:35 AM Re: Fishy David Robertson

fangraphs has vargas as the marlins #9 prospect, and hernandez at 24, at least as of the end of may. vargas is a young infielder with a 60 future hit tool, and hernandez a catcher with a 55 hit tool. bottom line on vargas per their prospect report is "Because a special hit tool is the most important thing a prospect can have, Vargas is (by a wide margin) the teenage hitter in this org most likely to become a big league regular down the line." and for hernandez, "He's a solid long-term prospect at a premium position." not bad, i suppose. maybe something to dream on. i might've rather gotten a pair of pitchers back, but i ain't too unhappy with this. i don't think the going rate on a david robertson was a top-five, ready-for-the-show prospect.

MFS62 Jul 28 2023 09:06 AM Re: Fishy David Robertson

Edgy MD wrote: I'm not sure what a red flag is representing here. (A socialist uprising? A potentially bad boyfriend? Danger at the beach?) The White flag of surrender is more common. But I was thinking auto racing where a red flag signals that the race stops immediately, regardless of position of cars on the track. Later

Fman99 Jul 28 2023 09:06 AM Re: Fishy David Robertson

Just because the Mets are set at SS and C doesn't mean these guys can't learn other positions, or become useful chips in some deal down the line. I'm OK with the return in exchange for a 2+ month rental. It wouldn't shock me if they brought DR back in 2024 either.

ashie62 Jul 28 2023 09:15 AM Re: Fishy David Robertson

They did not hold out for any top Ray

metirish Jul 28 2023 10:54 AM Re: Fishy David Robertson

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/FCLMets/status/1684936417615413248[/TWEET] Look like studs to me

Benjamin Grimm Jul 28 2023 10:59 AM Re: Fishy David Robertson

They look like they could be brothers.

metirish Jul 28 2023 11:00 AM Re: Fishy David Robertson

Right? I wonder if their drive from one complex to the other was short or long

Edgy MD Jul 28 2023 11:11 AM Re: Fishy David Robertson

=ashie62 post_id=133082 time=1690557310 user_id=90] They did not hold out for any top Ray

Did I miss something about the Rays being involved?

G-Fafif Jul 28 2023 11:15 AM Re: Fishy David Robertson

Endorsement from Fangraphs. https://blogs.fangraphs.com/2023-marlins-fans-and-2027-mets-fans-rejoice-your-teams-made-a-great-trade/

kcmets Jul 28 2023 11:18 AM Re: Fishy David Robertson

Look like brothers to me

kcmets Jul 28 2023 11:19 AM Re: Fishy David Robertson

Edgy MD wrote: =ashie62 post_id=133082 time=1690557310 user_id=90] They did not hold out for any top Ray Did I miss something about the Rays being involved?

Rays are playoff bound, they ain't shopping anyone.

smg58 Jul 28 2023 12:39 PM Re: Fishy David Robertson

Maybe in 3 years, we're saying, "I can't believe we got Vargas for a guy who would be a FA in 2 months" but for now, they acquired two teenagers that will be merely names on a list for 3 years. I thought that they were going for high-level/close to ML-ready players but we have to believe that Billy sees something in these young players. ML-ready players with something vaguely resembling upside might not have been available. But this is a reasonable haul for two months of a relief pitcher.

Edgy MD Jul 28 2023 12:54 PM Re: Fishy David Robertson

I think they certainly have something reasonably resembling upside. What will come to pass could be anything, but these are certainly the types of players I look for. Batting eyes and contact in the same package. Give me an organization filled with such men.

Marshmallowmilkshake Jul 28 2023 12:57 PM Re: Fishy David Robertson

=metirish post_id=133091 time=1690563628 user_id=72] Right? I wonder if their drive from one complex to the other was short or long

About 40 minutes! Marlins share a complex with the Cardinals in Jupiter.

metirish Jul 28 2023 01:20 PM Re: Fishy David Robertson

=Marshmallowmilkshake post_id=133106 time=1690570648 user_id=119] =metirish post_id=133091 time=1690563628 user_id=72] Right? I wonder if their drive from one complex to the other was short or long

About 40 minutes! Marlins share a complex with the Cardinals in Jupiter.




Excellent, thanks

Frayed Knot Jul 28 2023 02:06 PM Re: Fishy David Robertson

=MFS62 post_id=133066 time=1690548887 user_id=60] =RealityChuck post_id=133052 time=1690542628 user_id=82] A shortstop and a catcher. Two positions where they're lacking in prospects.

My first thought.


Rule 1: You don't draft [or make down the road trades] based on current positional need

Rule 2: See Rule 1



If this was a Now! trade (for, say, AAA guys on the verge of promotion) that's a different story. But these guys are 18 & 19 and multiple steps away from any potential ML career, so f they were the two they liked best then go for it.

nymr83 Jul 28 2023 07:52 PM Re: Fishy David Robertson

What do you call a top shortstop prospect who only hits 75% of his "ceiling"? All-Star Second Baseman. What do you call a top first base prospect who does the same? Minor League Assistant Coach I kid, but the bar for a successful Catcher or Shortstop prospect to find success is lower. I WANT to be hoarding at those positions.

Edgy MD Jul 28 2023 08:04 PM Re: Fishy David Robertson

That's pretty much correct. The position players who get signed as teenagers tend to skew toward shortstop and catcher. Occasionally, you get thirdbasemen and centerfielders. Or alternately, have you ever seen a team use a high draft pick to go after a high school firstbaseman? Secondbaseman? (Or, alternately, a high-ticket international amateur commitment?) I'm sure that's happened with somebody, but nobody I can remember. The ranks of corner outfielders are largely filled by centerfielders who didn't stick. The ranks of secondbasemen, thirdbasemen, and centerfielders are largely filled by shortstops who didn't stick. The ranks of firstbasemen are largely filled by thirdbasemen and catchers who didn't stick. Pete Alonso started his college career as a thirdbaseman and couldn't hack it over there.

nymr83 Jul 28 2023 10:28 PM Re: Fishy David Robertson

i'd think that maybe you'd see more firstbasemen than secondbasemen drafted high out of the high school ranks - a huge kid with no defensive value but a huge stick to match might already be at first base, but what type of player is already at secondbase rather than 3rd/short in high school? one with no arm or range who is too short for 1B?

Benjamin Grimm Jul 29 2023 06:25 AM Re: Fishy David Robertson

Especially all of the left-handed-throwing first basemen. You can be pretty sure they were never catchers or third basemen.

Edgy MD Jul 29 2023 06:34 AM Re: Fishy David Robertson

My impression is that high school firstbasemen tend to either go to college or fall down beyond round five in the draft. Obviously, it's not a hard rule. Dominic Smith, whose glove was as attractive as his bat, was a first rounder. While righties end up at first because of their defensive limitations, lefties sometimes just end up there because they're lefties.

RealityChuck Jul 29 2023 07:45 AM Re: Fishy David Robertson

Frayed Knot wrote: =MFS62 post_id=133066 time=1690548887 user_id=60] =RealityChuck post_id=133052 time=1690542628 user_id=82] A shortstop and a catcher. Two positions where they're lacking in prospects. My first thought.

Rule 1: You don't draft [or make down the road trades] based on current positional need

Rule 2: See Rule 1



If this was a Now! trade (for, say, AAA guys on the verge of promotion) that's a different story. But these guys are 18 & 19 and multiple steps away from any potential ML career, so f they were the two they liked best then go for it.


The team's biggest development issue is that they have too many AAA shortstops and have a major lack of outfielders. This is a trade, not a draft pick and the team has a history of not developing players in positions of need. If they had switched Mauricio to outfield as soon as they signed Lindor, he'd be playing right now.

Edgy MD Jul 29 2023 08:04 AM Re: Fishy David Robertson

I don't think that's their biggest developmental issue. I also don't think teams develop players at positions of need. They develop players.

Edgy MD Aug 01 2023 07:32 AM Re: Fishy David Robertson

This is really going to open up the Schaefer Reliever of the Year race.