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Justin time: Verlander to Houston

A Boy Named Seo Aug 01 2023 12:50 PM

Bob Nightengale first. No details yet.

Johnny Lunchbucket Aug 01 2023 12:52 PM Re: Justin time: Verlander to Houston

Hmmm.

G-Fafif Aug 01 2023 12:53 PM Re: Justin time: Verlander to Houston

Two minor leaguers is the word.

Johnny Lunchbucket Aug 01 2023 12:54 PM Re: Justin time: Verlander to Houston

I kinda thought JV would be the ace of the 2024 team and one less thing to worry about. Now we've cleared the decks and Quintana is our ace

A Boy Named Seo Aug 01 2023 12:54 PM Re: Justin time: Verlander to Houston

I hope Acuña has two more brothers in the Astros system.

A Boy Named Seo Aug 01 2023 12:55 PM Re: Justin time: Verlander to Houston

Steve Phillips of all people is railing against the Mets reboot on ESPN. Makes me believe in it.

stevejrogers Aug 01 2023 12:57 PM Re: Justin time: Verlander to Houston

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: I kinda thought JV would be the ace of the 2024 team and one less thing to worry about. Now we've cleared the decks and Quintana is our ace The Warren Spahn Curse is real! Even bringing back guys who won Cys with us turn into disasters!

Benjamin Grimm Aug 01 2023 12:57 PM Re: Justin time: Verlander to Houston

Mark Feinsand wrote: The Mets will receive OF Drew Gilbert from the Astros in the deal for Verlander, per source, plus at least one other propsect. It's not known how much money the Mets will send to Houston.

bmfc1 Aug 01 2023 12:58 PM Re: Justin time: Verlander to Houston

Drew Gilbert. https://climbingtalshill.com/posts/houston-astros-projecting-drew-gilbert-s-role-in-the-majors-01h0zy9eqtyb https://theathletic.com/4637388/2023/06/26/astros-prospect-drew-gilbert-struggles/ https://www.milb.com/player/drew-gilbert-687551

ashie62 Aug 01 2023 12:59 PM Re: Justin time: Verlander to Houston

Drew Gilbert and a prospect to be named Not a top 100 guy That's it?

Edgy MD Aug 01 2023 01:00 PM Re: Justin time: Verlander to Houston

A Boy Named Seo wrote: I hope Acuña has two more brothers in the Astros system. There is a third brother, but he's in the Twins' system.

metirish Aug 01 2023 01:01 PM Re: Justin time: Verlander to Houston

Wow

Edgy MD Aug 01 2023 01:03 PM Re: Justin time: Verlander to Houston

=ashie62 post_id=133549 time=1690916376 user_id=90] Drew Gilbert and a prospect to be named Not a top 100 guy That's it?

I wouldn't read anybody's rankings as set in stone. But obviously, if there's a player still to be named, then that's not it.

A Boy Named Seo Aug 01 2023 01:04 PM Re: Justin time: Verlander to Houston

Drew Gilbert was their #1 prospect per MLB.com

A Boy Named Seo Aug 01 2023 01:07 PM Re: Justin time: Verlander to Houston

And Ryan Clifford, their #4 prospect, also in the deal. Confirmed by some dude in a suit on MLB channel.

metirish Aug 01 2023 01:08 PM Re: Justin time: Verlander to Houston

Gilbert for what it's worth is #68 overall says MLB pipeline

bmfc1 Aug 01 2023 01:08 PM Re: Justin time: Verlander to Houston

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/houston-astros-top-38-prospects-2023/

metirish Aug 01 2023 01:09 PM Re: Justin time: Verlander to Houston

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/SNY_Mets/status/1686452128783417360[/TWEET] Got some swag

kcmets Aug 01 2023 01:09 PM Re: Justin time: Verlander to Houston Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 01 2023 01:17 PM

So we got their #1 and #4 for a boatload of money. Not bad, I guess.

Edgy MD Aug 01 2023 01:11 PM Re: Justin time: Verlander to Houston

Sounds workable. Sports Illustrated had Gilbert ranked 76th overall, Baseball America had him at 94. MLB Pipeline had him at 68. So I'm not sure what listicle ashie is working from.

Edgy MD Aug 01 2023 01:12 PM Re: Justin time: Verlander to Houston

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/SNY_Mets/status/1686452128783417360[/TWEET] Got some swag Love the dude aping his stance in the dugout. "I wanna get drafted too!"

Benjamin Grimm Aug 01 2023 01:13 PM Re: Justin time: Verlander to Houston

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: I kinda thought JV would be the ace of the 2024 team and one less thing to worry about. Yeah, me too. Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Now we've cleared the decks and Quintana is our ace Quintana and Senga and pray for rain, I suppose. Maybe Jarvis will be in the mix next year. And Peterson and Megill. That's really not likely to be enough.

ashie62 Aug 01 2023 01:14 PM Re: Justin time: Verlander to Houston

Drew is not acing his first try at AA The Astros don't have much in the farm to toss our way so it will have to do Chris Russo said he had fallen out of the top 100 I was hoping it would be the Orioles with their wealth of prospects I will warm up to this

A Boy Named Seo Aug 01 2023 01:17 PM Re: Justin time: Verlander to Houston

https://theathletic.com/4637388/2023/06/26/astros-prospect-drew-gilbert-struggles/ This Gilbert piece is pretty good, all you need to get know him. Bat flips, swagger, ejections, braggadocio. Portrayed as a bit of a red-ass, the guy you love when he's on your team and absolutely hate his stupid fucking guts when he plays for the other guys.

ashie62 Aug 01 2023 01:17 PM Re: Justin time: Verlander to Houston

Edgy MD wrote: A Boy Named Seo wrote: I hope Acuña has two more brothers in the Astros system. There is a third brother, but he's in the Twins' system. Bryan Acuna MLB.com has Gilbert at 68

ashie62 Aug 01 2023 01:28 PM Re: Justin time: Verlander to Houston

I've calmed down I like it Steve is building a farm system maybe The return on investment of really expensive ball players is negligible

metirish Aug 01 2023 01:30 PM Re: Justin time: Verlander to Houston

I'm not sure I can take "optimistic Ashie " haha

Edgy MD Aug 01 2023 01:32 PM Re: Justin time: Verlander to Houston

=ashie62 post_id=133564 time=1690917289 user_id=90]Chris Russo said he had fallen out of the top 100

We've motherfucking GOT to be coming with better sources than Chris Russo.

MFS62 Aug 01 2023 01:35 PM Re: Justin time: Verlander to Houston

These moves open up a lot of spots on the roster. Edgy's going to be busy. Later

metirish Aug 01 2023 01:36 PM Re: Justin time: Verlander to Houston

In Russo voice screaming "Now look, let me tell you, hold on a sec , this guy Gilbert whoever he is isn't even in the top 100 terrible job by the NY Metropolitans ,Steve Cohen ,look lots of money but this is terrible "

metirish Aug 01 2023 01:47 PM Re: Justin time: Verlander to Houston

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/jimcallisMLB/status/1686453821608706070[/TWEET]

smg58 Aug 01 2023 02:32 PM Re: Justin time: Verlander to Houston

Gilbert is #68 on mlb.com's rankings. Two years ago the Mets traded Pete Crow-Armstrong, the #7 prospect who like Gilbert is a AA centerfielder, for a AAAA pitcher and two months of Javier Baez -- after learning that DeGrom was done for the season. I have issues with Eppler, but we've had much worse. I'm kind of impressed by Eppler's willingness to tear down what he built, actually. But he's coming across as being better at selling than at buying, and that's not a good look.

metirish Aug 01 2023 03:13 PM Re: Justin time: Verlander to Houston

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/BNightengale/status/1686464187076313088[/TWEET] [TWEET]https://twitter.com/Feinsand/status/1686466141269491713[/TWEET]

batmagadanleadoff Aug 01 2023 03:15 PM Re: Justin time: Verlander to Houston

As it was explained to me today, for luxury tax purposes, any money the Mets send the Astros to pay down Verlander contract is treated identically to having that money on [the Mets] payroll. So if they're sending $54M to HOU as reported, those are taxable payroll dollars for the Mets. I'm surprised that this needs explaining. Why would it be otherwise?

Benjamin Grimm Aug 01 2023 03:18 PM Re: Justin time: Verlander to Houston

I think we had seen (incorrect) reports stating that the Mets would be off the hook for the money they sent the Rangers when they dealt Scherzer.

Edgy MD Aug 01 2023 03:39 PM Re: Justin time: Verlander to Houston

Down with the payroll tax.

metirish Aug 03 2023 03:45 PM Re: Justin time: Verlander to Houston

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/SNY_Mets/status/1687206475473539072[/TWEET]

Frayed Knot Aug 03 2023 03:53 PM Re: Justin time: Verlander to Houston

Translation: 'Look how many millions they gave me for pitching 16 games/94 innings!!!!!' OK, he could very well be sincere in his remarks too. If so it was nice of him to say so publicly.

Edgy MD Aug 03 2023 10:04 PM Re: Justin time: Verlander to Houston

Ryan Clifford homered in his first trip to the plate with the Mets organization. Probably more importantly, he also singled and walked twice in his five appearances.

Chad ochoseis Aug 04 2023 08:27 AM Re: Justin time: Verlander to Houston

As it was explained to me today, for luxury tax purposes, any money the Mets send the Astros to pay down Verlander contract is treated identically to having that money on [the Mets] payroll. So if they're sending $54M to HOU as reported, those are taxable payroll dollars for the Mets. I'm surprised that this needs explaining. Why would it be otherwise? I'm guilty of posting it to the forum. I read this here: [BLOCKQUOTE]A team's Competitive Balance Tax figure is determined using the average annual value of each player's contract on the 40-man roster, plus any additional player benefits. [/BLOCKQUOTE] I took that to mean that if Verlander's on the Astros' 40-man, then his salary applies to the Astros' luxury tax ceiling, even if the Mets are actually paying the bulk of his salary. I read "plus any additional player benefits" to mean "the value of any extra non-monetary benefits a team is giving to players on its current roster" - like if the Mets decided to buy Jacob DeGrom a private plane to fly home to Florida after ballgames to keep him from jumping ship last year - not "the additional money they're paying to players not on the 40-man". So, that's not the correct reading?

A Boy Named Seo Aug 04 2023 08:38 AM Re: Justin time: Verlander to Houston

It's anything but clear.

batmagadanleadoff Aug 04 2023 08:44 AM Re: Justin time: Verlander to Houston

The money that the Mets sent to the two Texas teams was for players on the 40 man (and 26 man) rosters. The Mets are spending that cash so the expenditure is charged to the Mets for luxury tax purposes. Here's a question: It looks like the Mets are gonna get a top 10 1st round pick in next Summer's amateur draft. Are they in line for some kind of luxury tax penalty on that purported pick, given the size of their payroll?

Lefty Specialist Aug 04 2023 10:38 AM Re: Justin time: Verlander to Houston

From MLB: Clubs that are $40 million or more above the threshold shall have their highest selection in the next Rule 4 Draft moved back 10 places unless the pick falls in the top six. In that case, the team will have its second-highest selection moved back 10 places instead.

nymr83 Aug 05 2023 09:23 PM Re: Justin time: Verlander to Houston

so the Mets are REALLY incentivized to tank

The Hot Corner Aug 06 2023 10:30 AM Re: Justin time: Verlander to Houston

=nymr83 post_id=134163 time=1691292185 user_id=54] so the Mets are REALLY incentivized to tank

It's not intentional, but they seem to be doing a pretty good job of that.

Edgy MD Aug 06 2023 12:26 PM Re: Justin time: Verlander to Houston

Down with the tax!

nymr83 Aug 06 2023 01:45 PM Re: Justin time: Verlander to Houston

It is pretty dumb. If you spend money and suck, well, you should suck harder. And this after they tried to eliminate tanking by taking away the automatic first pick

Edgy MD Aug 06 2023 08:39 PM Re: Justin time: Verlander to Houston

I'm totally down with taking away the first pick. I just want them to take away all the other picks, too.