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Should we be talking about Juan Soto?

Marshmallowmilkshake Sep 28 2023 01:05 PM

[url]https://sny.tv/articles/mlb-insider-jeff-passan-mets-scary-possibility-trade-juan-soto-padres Jeff Passan opines that the Padres are tearing down a little in the offseason, and have three unmovable contracts. That leaves Juan Soto as the one most likely to bring back a reasonable haul, and Passan says the Mets are a likely suitor. Would you be willing to part with some of our prospect capital to bring Soto to Citi and hope to sign him long-term?

Benjamin Grimm Sep 28 2023 01:26 PM Re: Should we be talking about Juan Soto?

I'm glad I don't have to make these kinds of decisions! Soto hasn't even turned 25 yet. He's certainly worth giving up some prospects for, but which ones and how many? I'd want to keep Mauricio and Alverez. I'm less attached to Baty and Vientos, but they probably also have less trade value right now. Gilbert? Acuna? Are they untouchable? Should they be? Like I said, I'm glad I don't have to decide.

A Boy Named Seo Sep 28 2023 01:40 PM Re: Should we be talking about Juan Soto?

looking back at it, the Nats got the Pads (at the time) #1, #2, #4, #5 and #19 prospects per MLB, plus Luke Voit (Josh Bell also went the other way). The Mets would have a year or less of control so I imagine the prospect price would be a little cheaper, but I still don't really think the Mets would go to such great lengths and expense to re-build the farm to just trade the best of em away so soon.

Centerfield Sep 28 2023 02:23 PM Re: Should we be talking about Juan Soto?

Absolutely. Soto's a stud. Alvarez is the only guy I'd hesitate to give up. No problem giving up Vientos, Baty or Mauricio. It will likely take a lot more than that. I haven't seen any of the guys we just got play. But from what I read only Gilbert or Acuna have a chance to be stars, and no one realistically thinks they'll be as good as Soto.

Edgy MD Sep 28 2023 03:51 PM Re: Should we be talking about Juan Soto?

A .421 career on-base percentage is hard to ignore. A hunnert and sixty homers and 639 walks at 25? I'm not sure that's the direction they're going in, but that's actually who'd be coming over and the PEDs are well masked, I'm sure they'll think long and hard.

batmagadanleadoff Sep 28 2023 03:57 PM Re: Should we be talking about Juan Soto?

Or, you know, the Mets could forego the rental for prospects part of the show and hope that Soto opts for free agency, where the Mets could sign him and give up just money to get him, which Cohen has way more of than top-tier prospects. What's wrong with signing someone on an inner circle Hall of Fame trajectory who's just 25 years old?

metirish Sep 28 2023 05:13 PM Re: Should we be talking about Juan Soto?

There is a lot to like , but he rubs me the wrong way, I'm excited about the various prospects the Mets got in the trades , it will be interesting to see what happens

Gwreck Sep 28 2023 11:20 PM Re: Should we be talking about Juan Soto?

=Marshmallowmilkshake post_id=138400 time=1695927914 user_id=119]Would you be willing to part with some of our prospect capital to bring Soto to Citi and hope to sign him long-term?

Why not just wait a year and sign him as a free agent?

Marshmallowmilkshake Sep 29 2023 06:02 AM Re: Should we be talking about Juan Soto?

=Gwreck post_id=138443 time=1695964833 user_id=56] =Marshmallowmilkshake post_id=138400 time=1695927914 user_id=119]Would you be willing to part with some of our prospect capital to bring Soto to Citi and hope to sign him long-term?

Why not just wait a year and sign him as a free agent?


Kind of like Lindor, there might be value in getting him here then working to try to extend rather than waiting until he hits the open market.

metsmarathon Sep 29 2023 06:19 AM Re: Should we be talking about Juan Soto?

i don't think i want to trade any of our prospects for hitters. yeah, yeah, our bats are bad, and we need a high-obp guy. but i don't want to pay the prospect freight on that.

Marshmallowmilkshake Sep 29 2023 12:01 PM Re: Should we be talking about Juan Soto?

An order that has Lindor, Pete, Juan Soto and Alvarez is going to score some runs. It would probably mean they would be out on Ohtani, but that might be OK.

Lefty Specialist Sep 30 2023 02:09 PM Re: Should we be talking about Juan Soto?

I'd just as soon wait the year and let our prospects mature. Trading for Soto would be an 'all in for 2024' move, and they've discouraged that kind of talk. Can't just get Soto, they'd need to overhaul the rotation and bullpen too. In for a penny, in for a pound at that point. My gut tells me they won't get either Soto or Ohtani. Next year the kids will have another year under them- Alvarez, Mauricio, Baty, Vientos. By then, you have a better idea what you've got. The pitching after Senga/Quintana is the real worry. None of the guys they got back in the player dumps look to be of help to the rotation in 2024 or 2025, and what's already in the system is a crapshoot. Vasil and Tidwell might be good or they might be the next round of Peterson/Megill- not quite consistent enough. David Stearns, we turn our lonely eyes to you.

Centerfield Nov 12 2023 06:01 PM Let’s talk about Juan Soto

Buster Olney says 100% the Padres move him this winter. What say yous? Want him? Wait to sign him as a free agent? I'd send over any of the kids besides Jett, Gilbert, Alvarez. So if they want Acuna or Mauricio, I pull the trigger.

Marshmallowmilkshake Nov 12 2023 08:13 PM Re: Should we be talking about Juan Soto?

Maybe we can merge Centerfield's post with this one. Lots of good points in here.

Centerfield Nov 12 2023 08:22 PM Re: Let’s talk about Juan Soto

Oops. Sorry. rMPL. Please feel free to merge/delete.

Frayed Knot Nov 13 2023 03:25 PM Re: Should we be talking about Juan Soto?

Lefty Specialist wrote: I'd just as soon wait the year and let our prospects mature. Trading for Soto would be an 'all in for 2024' move, and they've discouraged that kind of talk. Can't just get Soto, they'd need to overhaul the rotation and bullpen too. This is pretty much where I'm at as well. I mean, sure if the Padres are making him available you check it out. But are they trading prospects for perceived short-term fixes (Pete Crow-Armstrong) or are they dumping aging veterans and paying the bulk of the freight so as to get the highest caliber prospect? Or, worse yet, are they lurching between one extreme and the other depending on which way the wind is blowing that day and whether Uncle Stevie saw a shiny new bauble he just couldn't resist even if it winds up being a case of acquiring a square peg for a round hole? Not to go all Ambler on y'all, but even if they don't want to SHOW US THE PLAN!!!! I'm just hoping they actually have one they believe in and are willing to commit to. The alternative is to risk becoming just a richer version of the Wilpons who were forever chasing the last trend, however half-heartedly, before switching gears to get at the end of the line for the next newest fad.

nymr83 Nov 13 2023 04:05 PM Re: Should we be talking about Juan Soto?

No reason to give up half the farm system here Uncle Stevie just needs to have a tampering-free conversation with Scott Boras. "Hey Scott, yeah Ohtani is too old for me to give him half a billion dollars, but if a guy hit free agency who was younger and worth that, I'd have no problem spending it"

MFS62 Nov 13 2023 04:20 PM Re: Should we be talking about Juan Soto?

I don't think it will take a lot to get him. The Pads are over a barrel - he wants out, they want to lower payroll and move on. Are our prospects better that other teams' prospects? That's a different issue. But, as CF noted, a package of Vientos and/or Mauricio and/or Baty, maybe one of the highly rated AA/AAA pitchers (Vasil, or Smith) and Parada (now that Alvarez has made it, Parada's value to the Mets is lower). Parada is one one of the top catching prospects in the minors, but may have to change positions. That wouldn't weaken the minor organization much and might even help to simplify competition at some infield positions. Throw a package like that at them, then gauge their response and make adjustments. As they used to say in the old neighborhood, "can't hoit". Later

metirish Nov 14 2023 06:22 AM Re: Should we be talking about Juan Soto?

Soto still rubs me the wrong way , I wouldn't want to be the team that gives him a 10 year deal after trading players to get him

Edgy MD Nov 14 2023 07:24 AM Re: Should we be talking about Juan Soto?

There are 30 team, including the Pads, that he can help. And that's not counting the ones in Abu Dhabi and Karachi. I imagine the Mets wouldn't be the only team making offers.

Lefty Specialist Nov 14 2023 08:30 AM Re: Should we be talking about Juan Soto?

I'd think the Padres would want at least a few top-notch prospects. They gave away a MLB-ready SS in CJ Abrams, and a MLB-ready starter in Mackenzie Gore, plus minor-leaguers who may or may not pan out. Luke Voit, too, who the Mets had briefly in the minors. So my guess is they'll try to minimize their losses on the transaction. Yes, he's another year closer to FA, but lotsa teams will be calling. I think the Mets should shy away, especially if there's potential damage to the farm.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 14 2023 08:35 AM Re: Should we be talking about Juan Soto?

I'd be more comfortable if it was one of those deals with a contract negotiation window, but those don't happen very often.

Gwreck Nov 14 2023 08:45 AM Re: Should we be talking about Juan Soto?

The only reason to trade prospects for Soto now (rather than waiting a year) is that he's the difference between playoffs/not playoffs in 2024. There seems to be no expectation that Soto won't test the free agent market next season.

A Boy Named Seo Nov 14 2023 12:23 PM Re: Should we be talking about Juan Soto?

The Padres owner Peter Seidler died today (link). First, rest in peace, guy. But number two, the Pads borrowed $50M to cover expenses this year and were planning to cut payroll big time. Who knows how that changes now with ownership to change or shift hands.

ashie62 Nov 14 2023 02:16 PM Re: Should we be talking about Juan Soto?

Friends don't let friends go after Soto

Benjamin Grimm Nov 15 2023 10:06 AM Re: Should we be talking about Juan Soto?

I just found out that Seidler was the grandson of Walter O'Malley.

MFS62 Nov 15 2023 10:15 AM Re: Should we be talking about Juan Soto?

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I just found out that Seidler was the grandson of Walter O'Malley. If the family inherits the team, they OWE US, and should send Soto to the Mets at no cost. Later

G-Fafif Dec 06 2023 03:17 PM Re: Should we be talking about Juan Soto?

[tweet]https://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/1732521351297019963[/tweet]

kcmets Dec 06 2023 03:49 PM Re: Should we be talking about Juan Soto?

Holy moly!

metirish Dec 06 2023 03:57 PM Re: Should we be talking about Juan Soto?

Did they give up their prized assets ?

MFS62 Dec 06 2023 04:05 PM Re: Should we be talking about Juan Soto?

Three pitchers who pitched pretty well in the majors, a catcher better than Nido and a fifth guy with no ML experience. I'm not sure the Mets could match that offer. Later

Frayed Knot Dec 06 2023 04:08 PM Re: Should we be talking about Juan Soto?

Mainly what the Padres got was controllable pitching. - Michael King is a good reliever now with four ML seasons under his belt so two years of team control left - Drew Thorpe: 23 y/o, minors, 2nd round pick in '22 - Jhony Brito - 26 this coming season. Was ML rookie in '23 - Randy Vasquez (25) also a '23 rookie - Higashioka (C) is the only non-hurler in the bunch. Useful guy, a bit up and down And remember that Soto can be a FA at the end of '24 so this is all for a one year rental. Now one would think the Yanx will throw everything they have at making his stay a lot longer but of course Misters Soto and Boros will have a say in these matters also.

metirish Dec 06 2023 04:32 PM Re: Should we be talking about Juan Soto?

Thanks lads , seems like a hefty haul , but for a Soto I guess it's fair

ashie62 Dec 06 2023 04:37 PM Re: Should we be talking about Juan Soto?

They didn't have to move Volpe or Dominguez Come on Mets, I'm envious

Edgy MD Dec 06 2023 04:41 PM Re: Should we be talking about Juan Soto?

=MFS62 post_id=142397 time=1701903903 user_id=60]I'm not sure the Mets could match that offer.

I tend to think any team could match that offer.



The question is whether they should.

Frayed Knot Dec 06 2023 06:15 PM Re: Should we be talking about Juan Soto?

btw, none of this appears to be official yet. Even mlb.com is saying nothing more than "talks are accelerating" and that a SDP/NYY trade appears "very likely".

metirish Dec 06 2023 06:28 PM Re: Should we be talking about Juan Soto?

I want it to fall apart , but another part of me wants it to go through and be a disaster, small of me I know but fuck them

nymr83 Dec 06 2023 07:00 PM Re: Should we be talking about Juan Soto?

That feels like a terrible package.

Johnny Lunchbucket Dec 07 2023 05:19 AM Re: Should we be talking about Juan Soto?

Yeah let's hope he's a "bad fit" in the clubhouse, as he may have been in San Diego. Also more proof of my theory that guys who get traded tend to get traded. I know there's more to it than that but I like it

bmfc1 Dec 07 2023 05:25 AM Re: Should we be talking about Juan Soto?

Let's be happy he's in the AL and hope that he doesn't sign a new contract before FA starts again.

Gwreck Dec 07 2023 06:03 AM Re: Should we be talking about Juan Soto?

=bmfc1 post_id=142425 time=1701951947 user_id=73] Let's be happy he's in the AL and hope that he doesn't sign a new contract before FA starts again.

I fully expect him to test free agency. And that the Mets will be highly interested and be able to sign him next winter for money only, without the prospect cost.

MFS62 Dec 07 2023 06:32 AM Re: Should we be talking about Juan Soto?

NBC showing "Soto traded to NY in blockbuster deal" in the morning news crawl, so it must be official. No details. Later

metirish Dec 07 2023 06:35 AM Re: Should we be talking about Juan Soto?

It's been official [TWEET]https://twitter.com/Yankees/status/1732616100045623370[/TWEET]

Benjamin Grimm Dec 07 2023 06:50 AM Re: Should we be talking about Juan Soto?

Well, I guess we have to hope that it turns out to be a one-year rental, and that in 2024 he'll be in Queens. Or Toronto or some other AL city.

metirish Dec 07 2023 07:22 AM Re: Should we be talking about Juan Soto?

IIRC Judge isn't the best out in CF ?

MFS62 Dec 07 2023 08:16 AM Re: Should we be talking about Juan Soto?

The MFYs will now face the challenge that they essentially traded all of their rotation depth and will need to add 2 arms from the outside now. Sure, Soto should do well there and obviously helps their offense. But in this case, this was more than just trading "depth" & prospects but also trading your # 4 SP (King) who was their 2nd best SP in 2023 all things considered. Later

Frayed Knot Dec 07 2023 03:04 PM Re: Should we be talking about Juan Soto?

=metirish post_id=142436 time=1701958953 user_id=72] IIRC Judge isn't the best out in CF ?

He's decent enough out there, but there's more wear and tear on a CF particularly in that stadium (lots more ground to cover than RF)

and especially so for a large guy like him who's now north of 30. That's why they swapped out pitching (Jordan Montgomery) last year

for top CF glove Harrison Bader but he didn't work out offensively so, at least for now, they're back to Judge in the middle. Soto's always

been in RF where he's average defensively at best. Verdugo has a good glove rep but mostly in one of the corners, not CF. And with

Stanton clogging up the DH slot (at least when he's not clogging up the IL) there's no real room for a glove-first CF except maybe

occasionally as Verdugo might sit vs LHPs at times.

Centerfield Dec 07 2023 07:05 PM Re: Should we be talking about Juan Soto?

I don't know anything about the guys traded for Soto. But I just looked up Michael King and he's pretty good. Looks like a reliever turned starter. Don't know if the other younger guys are any good. What would have been a comparable return of Mets prospects?