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Johnny Lunchbucket Oct 01 2023 11:58 AM

Buck just revealed he won;t be back next year. What a waste

TransMonk Oct 01 2023 11:59 AM Re: Buck stops now

Hope they have a plan.

Lefty Specialist Oct 01 2023 12:02 PM Re: Buck stops now

Hmmmm. I guess Stearns wants his own people.

kcmets Oct 01 2023 12:06 PM Re: Buck stops now

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Buck just revealed he won;t be back next year. What is Holy Fuck? Unexpected Things for $800, Alex.

Edgy MD Oct 01 2023 12:06 PM Re: Buck stops now

Yeah, that's something. I feel like too often he's been acting like a caretaker manager and not a guy looking to take the world right here and now. And that's a shame, since a championship is all that's needed to cap his impressive career.

whippoorwill Oct 01 2023 12:07 PM Re: Buck stops now

Maybe he'd get one somewhere else

Edgy MD Oct 01 2023 12:30 PM Re: Buck stops now

Manager of the Year to scrapheap in one year. Bad news for Kalina Lindor. [YOUTUBE]HDRUXKGUeMA[/YOUTUBE]

Marshmallowmilkshake Oct 01 2023 12:35 PM Re: Buck stops now

This is sad. I was skeptical of Buck at first, but thought he did a great job. This year's issues are not on him.

MFS62 Oct 01 2023 12:38 PM Re: Buck stops now

Win one last one for the Buck-a-roo. And then we'll have another manager to criticize. Later

Marshmallowmilkshake Oct 01 2023 12:41 PM Re: Buck stops now

Just watched his short announcement. Sounds like a firing and necessarily his decision. He seemed emotional, "If I talk any more, it's not going to be good." I have to wonder if Eppler is next.

Johnny Lunchbucket Oct 01 2023 12:47 PM Re: Buck stops now

Eppler swung the axe. But yeah he could be in trouble

Edgy MD Oct 01 2023 12:58 PM Re: Buck stops now

Craig Counsell's Galaxy A51 must be blowing up.

metirish Oct 01 2023 02:42 PM Re: Buck stops now

A sad ending no doubt about it

Johnny Lunchbucket Oct 01 2023 02:45 PM Re: Buck stops now

Craig Counsell can bite me. Would Eric Chavez be in play?

metirish Oct 01 2023 03:08 PM Re: Buck stops now

Chavez Beltran Bench guys from the Brewers Bob Melvin ?

Edgy MD Oct 01 2023 03:30 PM Re: Buck stops now

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Craig Counsell can bite me. Would Eric Chavez be in play? We'd be foolish to look past him.

ashie62 Oct 01 2023 04:02 PM Re: Buck stops now

Not surprising Craig Counsell is likely available and we'll known to Stearns

ashie62 Oct 01 2023 04:04 PM Re: Buck stops now

=TransMonk post_id=138575 time=1696183190 user_id=71] Hope they have a plan.

Total rebuild

Edgy MD Oct 01 2023 04:14 PM Re: Buck stops now

I'll happily bet against that.

batmagadanleadoff Oct 01 2023 04:37 PM Re: Buck stops now

Not surprising Craig Counsell is likely available and we'll known to Stearns The thing about Counsell is that he's a Wisconsin guy and is supposedly very attached to the area. This all sounds like Stearns wants his own man and it was left to Eppler to do the dirty work. Hence this obviously contrived "voluntary (yeah, right) resignation".

kcmets Oct 01 2023 04:37 PM Re: Buck stops now

=Marshmallowmilkshake post_id=138621 time=1696196066 user_id=119]Buck probably doesn't WANT to come back after this...

=ashie62 post_id=138626 time=1696198092 user_id=90]Buck lost me after the loss to San Diego in the playoffs last season This year was vapid


C'mon guys, we're better than this...

batmagadanleadoff Oct 01 2023 04:40 PM Re: Buck stops now

Gary Carter from Heaven: "God told me that I should be the Mets next manager and that I should tell youse all. Why doesn't God himself tell youse? Because he works in mysterious ways."

Marshmallowmilkshake Oct 01 2023 04:44 PM Re: Buck stops now

Sherman with a bit of a hit piece: [url]https://nypost.com/2023/10/01/david-stearns-buck-showalter-hit-job-made-for-awkward-first-mets-move/ I didn't realize Bob Melvin is expected to be fired in San Diego. Cohen saying it's all about giving his new PBO the opportunity to pick his own guy.

metirish Oct 01 2023 04:53 PM Re: Buck stops now

Yeah, I'm sure Sherman and the longtime lads loved Buck,and were "folksy " with him...so he takes his digs here , no one can be surprised with this ,new man, new manager

kcmets Oct 01 2023 04:56 PM Re: Buck stops now

Gary Carter from Heaven: "God told me that I should be the Mets next manager and that I should tell youse all. Why doesn't God himself tell youse? Because he works in mysterious ways." What is the point of the continual Gary Carter thing? God, heaven and mysterious ways? What is your point? Spell it out.

batmagadanleadoff Oct 01 2023 05:20 PM Re: Buck stops now

Gary Carter from Heaven: "God told me that I should be the Mets next manager and that I should tell youse all. Why doesn't God himself tell youse? Because he works in mysterious ways." What is the point of the continual Gary Carter thing? God, heaven and mysterious ways? What is your point? Spell it out. Since you asked: I'm channeling Gary Carter openly campaigning for Willie Randolph's managerial gig while Randolph was still the Mets manager. Before the body was even dead, so to speak. I guess those are the classy intangibles that Carter brings to the table that are supposed to warrant the permanent retirement of Carter's Mets number, he of the two very good Mets seasons, two very crappy seasons, and one godawful vomit-inducing season. Heaven because Carter's dead, and being the goody two-shoes that he was, he's undoubtedly in Heaven right now, so his message has to emanate from Heaven. Mysterious ways because that's the argument advanced by those Mets fans that campaign for his Mets uni number to be retired. They can't put up a credible case based on Carter's Mets on-the-field record so they come up with this vague, ambiguous nebulous idea that his value extends beyond stats. Which you could say about any great Met. But we're supposed to believe that Carter's intangibles are so vast, that these mysterious ways intangibles, all by themselves, warrant the retirement of his Mets uni #. We've been through this plenty. Just this week, by one poster who claims intangilbles but won't explain just what they are. And a few years ago by the poster who would gladly turn over this country to a dictatorship. He wrote that Carter's value extended beyond his stats but couldn't explain one molecule of what that value was -- not that it stopped him from basing his whole case on those mysterious intangibles. It's like cornering some devout fanatic against the wall with all of the infinite absurdities and stuff irreconcilable with known science that one would have to accept to believe that the universe is controlled by a magic invisible man floating in the sky and they respond by telling you that you know who works in mysterious ways. When you hear that, your bullshit meter should be redlining. And you should cover your wallet. And because I can't help myself. Happy? Anything else you want me to explain? I'd be happy to.

Fman99 Oct 01 2023 05:27 PM Re: Buck stops now

People just get boners about stuff. That's life. Sorry to see Buck go. I was hoping to see his redemptive arc in 2024.

Frayed Knot Oct 01 2023 05:29 PM Re: Buck stops now

=Marshmallowmilkshake post_id=138632 time=1696200273 user_id=119] Cohen saying it's all about giving his new PBO the opportunity to pick his own guy.

Which implies Cohen already knows that, given his choice, Stearns' choice isn't going to be Buck.

They'd be blindly 'pre-firing' him otherwise.

kcmets Oct 01 2023 05:49 PM Re: Buck stops now

Gary Carter from Heaven: "God told me that I should be the Mets next manager and that I should tell youse all. Why doesn't God himself tell youse? Because he works in mysterious ways." What is the point of the continual Gary Carter thing? God, heaven and mysterious ways? What is your point? Spell it out. Since you asked: I'm channeling Gary Carter openly campaigning for Willie Randolph's managerial gig while Randolph was still the Mets manager. Before the body was even dead, so to speak. I guess those are the classy intangibles that Carter brings to the table that are supposed to warrant the permanent retirement of Carter's Mets number, he of the two very good Mets seasons, two very crappy seasons, and one godawful vomit-inducing season. Heaven because Carter's dead, and being the goody two-shoes that he was, he's undoubtedly in Heaven right now, so his message has to emanate from Heaven. Mysterious ways because that's the argument advanced by those Mets fans that campaign for his Mets uni number to be retired. They can't put up a credible case based on Carter's Mets on-the-field record so they come up with this vague, ambiguous nebulous idea that his value extends beyond stats. Which you could say about any great Met. But we're supposed to believe that Carter's intangibles are so vast, that these mysterious ways intangibles, all by themselves, warrant the retirement of his Mets uni #. We've been through this plenty. Just this week, by one poster who claims intangilbles but won't explain just what they are. And a few years ago by the poster who would gladly turn over this country to a dictatorship. He wrote that Carter's value extended beyond his stats but couldn't explain one molecule of what that value was -- not that it stopped him from basing his whole case on those mysterious intangibles. It's like cornering some devout fanatic against the wall with all of the infinite absurdities and stuff irreconcilable with known science that one would have to accept to believe that the universe is controlled by a magic invisible man floating in the sky and they respond by telling you that you know who works in mysterious ways. When you hear that, your bullshit meter should be redlining. And you should cover your wallet. And because I can't help myself. Happy? Anything else you want me to explain? I'd be happy to. Got it. Thanks!

metirish Oct 01 2023 07:55 PM Re: Buck stops now

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/kateefeldman/status/1708542460824010901[/TWEET] Goodnight

ashie62 Oct 01 2023 08:01 PM Re: Buck stops now

The Mets folded like a cheap tent in 2022 and were worse, much worse this season Can anyone really blame the Mets for canning their manager?

Edgy MD Oct 01 2023 08:04 PM Re: Buck stops now

The Mets folded like a cheap tent in 2022 and were worse, much worse this season No, they didn't. They lost. I don't know how that isn't clear. I never understood this analogy anyhow. What is it about tents that cheap ones supposedly fold more effectively than pricey ones? It also gets crossed with the "folded like a cheap suit" cliché. Which product is it whose least expensive and/or most poorly made versions have become the standard for folding? Can anyone really blame the Mets for canning their manager? Plenty of people can, if they are of a mind to. You can too, if you want. Or not. It's a decision that many teams have gone in different directions on. Many of these team have been shown to have been right. Many of them have been shown to have been perfectly wrong. And wrong-headed too. For most, it's a cruel and stubborn mystery, which doesn't stop folks from having positions. If you have a position, I'd like to read about it, but I hope it has more substance than that "folded like a cheap tent" stuff. You know that's just late-night, AM talk-radio jive.

Marshmallowmilkshake Oct 02 2023 05:38 AM Re: Buck stops now

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/kateefeldman/status/1708542460824010901[/TWEET] Goodnight I thought I had heard he famously never threw players under the bus in his press conferences. Her X feed is full of odd "hot takes."

whippoorwill Oct 02 2023 05:41 AM Re: Buck stops now

Looks like nobody agrees with her

Lefty Specialist Oct 02 2023 06:01 AM Re: Buck stops now

Say what you want about Buck, he always had his players' backs. He had trouble managing the bullpen, but I don't think anybody could have properly managed this years cast of arsonists. Stearns will have a clean slate as I expect all the coaches will be shitcanned as well.

Marshmallowmilkshake Oct 02 2023 06:03 AM Re: Buck stops now

Jon Heyman thinks the best choice is ... Dusty Baker? [url]https://nypost.com/2023/10/01/david-stearns-must-find-manager-comparable-or-better-than-buck-showalter/

kcmets Oct 02 2023 07:11 AM Re: Buck stops now

he used his press conferences to throw players under the bus I saw most of Buck's post game comments and Q&A's, This is flat out fiction.

Edgy MD Oct 02 2023 07:42 AM Re: Buck stops now

¿Quien es Kate Feldman?

Marshmallowmilkshake Oct 02 2023 08:18 AM Re: Buck stops now

Edgy MD wrote: ¿Quien es Kate Feldman? According to her profile, she is a CBS Sports assistant MLB editor. Earned her degree from University of Florida. Was previously a senior television reporter. Worked at the Daily News for a while. From New Jersey. Had this to say about Buck: "I just did not fall under his spell like everyone else did. Maybe that's a me problem."

Edgy MD Oct 02 2023 08:31 AM Re: Buck stops now

"Buck, what was going through your mind today, during your last game." "Trying to win. Hoping Butto had a good outing." You'd have to be under a very different kind of spell to identify that sort of answer as characteristic of a manager who throws his players under the bus. Later: "I was kidding Lindor. He kinda messed up by gettin' two RBIs yesterday, and I kept him in, and all of a sudden, he's hittin' fourth in the last inning. I really wanted ... I was hoping to send him out to shortstop and in the middle of the inning, take him out, so everybody can acknowledge the year he's had, but I couldn't take the chance of him not getting an opportunity [to reach 100 RBI]. I was really hoping that ball that Pete hit would fall, so's he'd have a pop at it. He still had a[n] ... unbelievable year. And, uh ... he's runnin' on fumes. He's been ... that way for about a week. Also everybody here appreciates what he does and brings. He's a special young man." Such a bus-toss. [YOUTUBE]4jwnwMjqzSc[/YOUTUBE] There's a lot you can disagree with Buck about, and I do, but it's hard to watch that and not see the guy as being very thoughtful about taking accountability upon himself.

G-Fafif Oct 02 2023 09:56 AM Re: Buck stops now

Having sat in on a few of Buck's pregame pressers, I couldn't imagine him being anything other than Mets manager for life. Having watched too many Mets late innings evaporate, I could easily imagine him not coming back next year.

A Boy Named Seo Oct 02 2023 10:27 AM Re: Buck stops now

Stuff this morning in The Athletic confirms Buck was given the option to resign or be fired. He said he'd never quit on his guys so he was shit-canned. Stearns wants his own manager and that was that. And glad Edgy posted that vid of Lindor's daughter. It was funny, when I heard the news, I wondered how bummed that kid would be before anything else. Happy trails, Buck. You were good by me. https://theathletic.com/4919791/2023/10/02/mets-buck-showalter-fired/

Edgy MD Oct 02 2023 10:29 AM Re: Buck stops now

The two-year-max shelf-life on Mets managers in latter days is less than encouraging.

MFS62 Oct 02 2023 11:49 AM Re: Buck stops now

I tend to agree with Kate (whoever she is) on the rookie and bullpen issues but definitely not on the "tossing players under the bus" issue. That said, I'm not losing any sleep about his firing and looking forward to finding fault with the next manager. Later

smg58 Oct 02 2023 01:54 PM Re: Buck stops now

Like Eppler, Showalter had plusses and minuses and you can't credit him for last season while giving him a pass on this year. The Mets have done quite a bit worse in the recent past, but they can also do better and hopefully they will. Remind me to copy and paste this post sometime later in the week when it's Eppler's turn.

nymr83 Oct 02 2023 02:06 PM Re: Buck stops now

Sherman with a bit of a hit piece: [url]https://nypost.com/2023/10/01/david-stearns-buck-showalter-hit-job-made-for-awkward-first-mets-move/ I didn't realize Bob Melvin is expected to be fired in San Diego. Cohen saying it's all about giving his new PBO the opportunity to pick his own guy. Fuck that guy, worst sportswriter in all of the NY papers combined. Not giving him a click.

nymr83 Oct 02 2023 02:08 PM Re: Buck stops now

I loved Buck and think this was a dumb move. but I do agree that a new president or whatever Stearns title is should be allowed to pick his own guys. I hope Cohen gave him the option to can Eppler too.

nymr83 Oct 02 2023 02:09 PM Re: Buck stops now

Edgy MD wrote: ¿Quien es Kate Feldman? An idiot.

Centerfield Oct 03 2023 11:38 AM Re: Buck stops now

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/kateefeldman/status/1708542460824010901[/TWEET] Goodnight I thought I had heard he famously never threw players under the bus in his press conferences. Her X feed is full of odd "hot takes." Wow. With all the dumb stuff said on Twitter, it's hard to have an astonishingly bad take these days. Somehow she managed.

batmagadanleadoff Oct 03 2023 02:26 PM Re: Buck stops now

=smg58 post_id=138706 time=1696276487 user_id=62] Like Eppler, Showalter had plusses and minuses and you can't credit him for last season while giving him a pass on this year. The Mets have done quite a bit worse in the recent past, but they can also do better and hopefully they will.

I'm not really into assigning credit and blame for the number of Mets wins under Showalter's two seasons as a Mets manager. I think that baseball is overflowing with more luck than I can stand and the difference between a team winning 101 games in a season and finishing under .500 is much tinier than most people think.



I trust the process and I see Showalter as one of the best managers in the game, possessing an enormous understanding of how both the game and the locker room works. Sometimes, things just don't go your way. No more deGrom. Quintana out for half a year. Diaz out for all of it. And Scherzer and Verlander without a doubt, in decline mode -- which was inevitable. And Buck wasn't Stearns's guy. It seems to me that Buck was mostly a victim of circumstances beyond his control.




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Remind me to copy and paste this post sometime later in the week when it's Eppler's turn.


lol.

batmagadanleadoff Oct 03 2023 05:58 PM Re: Buck stops now

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Edgy MD Oct 03 2023 06:01 PM Re: Buck stops now

=smg58 post_id=138706 time=1696276487 user_id=62]Remind me to copy and paste this post sometime later in the week when it's Eppler's turn.

For what it's worth, while Stoins was non-commital about a lot of his plans, he was pretty clear about his enthusiasm for retaining Eppler.

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MFS62 Oct 06 2023 07:53 AM Re: Buck stops now

The Post is saying that Buck wants to manage the Angels. (warning, lots of pop ups in the link) https://nypost.com/2023/10/05/buck-showalter-trying-hard-for-angels-interview-after-mets-firing/?utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=nypost_sports&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwAR2brVHLg0z2KY71OT2W1IvjUm5k0rOjM2LidG73r8Dtg90ABejNmE8BrLw Later

batmagadanleadoff Nov 18 2023 09:02 PM Re: Buck stops now

Mets' lingering mystery: Why did Buck Showalter have to be fired? | Klapisch https://www.nj.com/mets/2023/11/mets-lingering-mystery-why-did-buck-showalter-have-to-be-fired-klapisch.html Bob Klapisch raised an interesting point earlier this week: Showalter was supposedly axed because David Stearns wanted his "own man", presumably Craig Counsell. But the Mets missed out on Counsell. So why was Buck fired before the Mets were sure they'd land Counsell? And was Carlos Mendoza also one of Stearns's "own men" all along? Lotsa ways to speculate on this one. [FIMG=255]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53233022004_b4f76af2d4_h.jpg[/FIMG] [FIMG=255]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53233022794_806f4a3b30_h.jpg[/FIMG]

MFS62 Nov 19 2023 07:57 AM Re: Buck stops now

It was full of conjecture. He never gave us a real answer to his own question. It was mostly a defense of Buck. Typical Klaptrap. Later

bmfc1 Nov 19 2023 12:21 PM Re: Buck stops now

Buck had a free pass because the veterans in the NY press loved him so, so much. They ignored his terrible in-game decisions, etc, and continue to do so. Buck can't even say "I could have done better". Maybe that's why he gets fired so often.