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Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 25th manager?

Benjamin Grimm Oct 09 2023 02:18 PM

The name we're hearing more than any other is Craig Counsell. Former Cubs manager Joe Maddon has reported expressed an interest. Joe Espada is another name that comes up. Also Carlos Beltran. I'm sure there will be a lot to talk about in the weeks to come. So here's a place where we can do that.

TransMonk Oct 09 2023 02:33 PM Re: Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 25th manager?

Out of that group, I prefer Maddon.

Johnny Lunchbucket Oct 09 2023 02:52 PM Re: Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 25th manager?

I'm rooting for an out of the box pick, like the next Joe Maddon but not Joe Maddon. Why shop these experienced guys so soon after whacki g Buck? I'm not excited about Counsell or Beltran

Benjamin Grimm Oct 09 2023 02:57 PM Re: Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 25th manager?

Me neither. Of the names I've heard, I think I'd like to give Espada a try, pairing him with an experienced bench coach. But hopefully the Mets will make a more informed decision than I'm capable of making.

kcmets Oct 09 2023 03:00 PM Re: Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 25th manager?

I think the new manager is going to be a <40 guy out of the blue.

Marshmallowmilkshake Oct 09 2023 03:08 PM Re: Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 25th manager?

Our track record with inexperienced guys has not been great. I think Counsell is experienced, successful -- and safe. I think I'm OK with that at this point.

Edgy MD Oct 09 2023 03:31 PM Re: Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 25th manager?

It's hard to say. The top two winning percentages in Mets history belong to managers without previous experience.

MFS62 Oct 09 2023 03:55 PM Re: Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 25th manager?

Counsel will be able to talk to other teams when his contract expires on Oct 31. I'm sure there we'll hear about candidates other than the ones already mentioned while we're waiting. Later

metirish Oct 09 2023 04:12 PM Re: Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 25th manager?

Joe McEwing ? Robin Ventura?

Marshmallowmilkshake Oct 09 2023 04:14 PM Re: Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 25th manager?

Edgy MD wrote: It's hard to say. The top two winning percentages in Mets history belong to managers without previous experience. You are right. I was thinking more recently, but should have been more clear. You're looking at Davey Johnson and Willie Randolph? Harrelson is pretty close to them, too.

kcmets Oct 09 2023 04:31 PM Re: Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 25th manager?

=Marshmallowmilkshake post_id=139158 time=1696885698 user_id=119] Our track record with inexperienced guys has not been great.

Not to get off track here, but same with recent presidents.

roger_that Oct 10 2023 05:24 AM Re: Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 25th manager?

I'd be willing to accept Donald Trump as manager, if that would satisfy his lust for leadership positions over the next decade or so. Seriously. I wonder if the manager makes an actual difference in a team's W-L record sometimes. And Trump would certainly be amusing.

Lefty Specialist Oct 10 2023 05:29 AM Re: Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 25th manager?

Boy, the post-game press conferences would be solid gold, wouldn't they? You'd have to think Counsell is the front-runner just due to Stearns' familiarity with him. I'd thought when they hired Buck that they'd finally gotten the best manager available, but things didn't work out (a lot of which was out of his control). So I don't know what they do next. Glad it's not my call.

roger_that Oct 10 2023 06:48 AM Re: Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 25th manager?

Every loss rigged, every umpire corrupt, every news story written by an enemy of the people, yeah. It would be a pisser. You've got to wonder if the manager matters, don't you? Buck was a total genius up until the last week of 2022. Then he became a total asshole badly in need of firing (see sig line, below). I don't know how much he mattered, in the end. The players played well until they didn't. Then, compelled to play Vogie and deprived of Diaz, surprise!!! , the players stopped playing well. Could the Donald, or Ronald McDonald for that matter, have done much different? We'll never know.

A Boy Named Seo Oct 10 2023 08:02 AM Re: Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 25th manager?

I just read a piece on Counsell and everyone on the Brewers loves him and wants him to stay so naturally I want him now.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 11 2023 10:15 AM Re: Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 25th manager?

Andy Martino is big on Beltran: For Mets' sake, David Stearns should get to know Carlos Beltran and offer a meaningful job The Mets have a baseball genius in Beltran, who should either manage them or have a significant role in player development in 2024 and beyond https://sny.tv/articles/for-mets-sake-david-stearns-carlos-beltran

A Boy Named Seo Oct 11 2023 01:00 PM Re: Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 25th manager?

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Andy Martino is big on Beltran: For Mets' sake, David Stearns should get to know Carlos Beltran and offer a meaningful job The Mets have a baseball genius in Beltran, who should either manage them or have a significant role in player development in 2024 and beyond https://sny.tv/articles/for-mets-sake-david-stearns-carlos-beltran Damn, that reads like a letter of recommendation from Andy directly to Stearns. I couldn't tell you what makes Beltran a better managerial choice than Joe Espada, so pieces like this are kinda cool, even if he goes from calling him a "baseball genius" in one sentence to an "unknown quantity with upside" a couple paragraphs later.

ashie62 Oct 13 2023 02:57 PM Re: Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 25th manager?

Beltran is a crook. No

Edgy MD Oct 13 2023 03:33 PM Re: Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 25th manager?

My local Baltimore Mets fan buddy has been telling me that he's been reading some Joe Maddon speculation.

A Boy Named Seo Oct 13 2023 03:36 PM Re: Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 25th manager?

=ashie62 post_id=139419 time=1697230620 user_id=90] Beltran is a crook. No

I don't know if Beltran is the best guy or not, but is there no redemption from his trash can days?

nymr83 Oct 13 2023 07:16 PM Re: Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 25th manager?

Lefty Specialist wrote: Boy, the post-game press conferences would be solid gold, wouldn't they? I really can't think of a more amusing candidate for Mets manager. I rarely watch press conferences unless I read that something happened worth going back to watch, but he would be must see the wouldn't he? Of course, the Wilpons still own SNY, so why would Cohen wanna give that to them? ;)

Edgy MD Oct 13 2023 08:56 PM Re: Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 25th manager?

Buck's media moments were golden. The guy just liked to muse on stuff.

Frayed Knot Oct 17 2023 07:50 PM Re: Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 25th manager?

Jon Hey Man! in the NY Post lists lots of non-Counsell alternatives with varying degrees of possibilities.

metirish Oct 18 2023 12:18 PM Re: Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 25th manager?

While the search for a new manager is just getting underway, league sources told The Athletic this week that the New York Mets expect to hire someone outside the organization to replace Buck Showalter. Latest from The Athletic, no surprise but eliminates Beltran etc https://theathletic.com/4974533/2023/10/18/mets-manager-search-candidates?source=user-shared-article

whippoorwill Oct 18 2023 05:10 PM Re: Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 25th manager?

Lefty Specialist wrote: Boy, the post-game press conferences would be solid gold, wouldn't they? I really can't think of a more amusing candidate for Mets manager. I rarely watch press conferences unless I read that something happened worth going back to watch, but he would be must see the wouldn't he? Of course, the Wilpons still own SNY, so why would Cohen wanna give that to them? ;) I actually LOLd at this idea

nymr83 Oct 19 2023 03:49 PM Re: Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 25th manager?

I was talking more about this the other day with some friends, the comedic potential really never ceases AND they could even fire him on the field during the 7th inning stretch one night. If the Mets can't win 90 games for 400 million dollars they can at least entertain us

Edgy MD Oct 19 2023 03:57 PM Re: Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 25th manager?

They can get the same absurdity and the same opportunities to aid and abet a sex criminal by hiring Lenny Dykstra.

Edgy MD Oct 19 2023 03:58 PM Re: Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 25th manager?

But sure, if disgracing yourself with a hire is what it takes to keep the ex-president from becoming the nex-president, then sign me up.

metirish Oct 23 2023 12:14 PM Re: Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 25th manager?

Padres grant the Giants permission to interview Bob Melvin , good baseball man

metirish Oct 24 2023 11:31 AM Re: Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 25th manager?

Breaking from my sources Giants to hire Melvin

kcmets Oct 24 2023 11:44 AM Re: Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 25th manager?

Yeah, it's on the MLB Network scrolly bar too. That didn't last long.

Edgy MD Oct 24 2023 01:58 PM Re: Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 25th manager?

This'll be Melvin's fifth gig, all in Western cities, missing only a single season since 2003.

Johnny Lunchbucket Oct 24 2023 02:16 PM Re: Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 25th manager?

I'm officially rooting against Craig Counsell. I just don't see the argument for it

Marshmallowmilkshake Oct 24 2023 02:19 PM Re: Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 25th manager?

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: I'm officially rooting against Craig Counsell. I just don't see the argument for it Do you have a favorite? I'm OK with Counsell if that's who Stearns best thinks will get us across the line. Seeing reports that Buck is the favorite to land the Angels job.

Frayed Knot Oct 24 2023 04:04 PM Re: Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 25th manager?

Melvin follows the Bochy path in the SD to SF trek.

Edgy MD Oct 24 2023 08:21 PM Re: Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 25th manager?

I 'fused those two guys during their careers, too.

Johnny Lunchbucket Oct 24 2023 08:31 PM Re: Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 25th manager?

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: I'm officially rooting against Craig Counsell. I just don't see the argument for it Do you have a favorite? I'm OK with Counsell if that's who Stearns best thinks will get us across the line. Seeing reports that Buck is the favorite to land the Angels job. I'm rooting for the mystery candidate, the guy nobody expected. The next Joe Maddon

Edgy MD Oct 24 2023 08:47 PM Re: Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 25th manager?

From the no-experience list, I'm looking hard at Stephen Vogt, Seattle bullpen and quality control coach. He's got a lot of the Bochy/Melvin pedigree as a long-time/mostly part-time catcher, mostly in the west, a lot of sunburn in his profile picks and baseball cards, and he went straight from playing right onto a big-league coaching staff. He even has a big-looking head.

roger_that Oct 25 2023 03:08 AM Re: Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 25th manager?

Edgy MD wrote: He even has a big-looking head. Which qualifies him for the Mr. Met costume. Maybe the two roles could be combined?

A Boy Named Seo Oct 25 2023 09:30 AM Re: Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 25th manager?

Per SNY/Martino, the Mets got permission to interview Counsell. Apparently MIL said no first, but changed their minds on it.

MFS62 Oct 25 2023 11:28 AM Re: Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 25th manager?

Edgy MD wrote: From the no-experience list, I'm looking hard at Stephen Vogt, Seattle bullpen and quality control coach. He's got a lot of the Bochy/Melvin pedigree as a long-time/mostly part-time catcher, mostly in the west, a lot of sunburn in his profile picks and baseball cards, and he went straight from playing right onto a big-league coaching staff. He even has a big-looking head. Dangerous to be a big headed catcher. He must have taken a lot of foul tips that got around the edges of his mask. Later

Edgy MD Oct 25 2023 12:26 PM Re: Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 25th manager?

I just mean to compare him to Bruce Bochy, who was famous for having the biggest hat size in the league.

metirish Oct 30 2023 10:09 AM Re: Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 25th manager?

Counsell is in Cleveland interviewing today, per local The Athletic writer

metirish Oct 31 2023 01:12 PM Re: Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 25th manager?

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/1719430126767653186[/TWEET]

Benjamin Grimm Oct 31 2023 01:20 PM Re: Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 25th manager?

"Evaluating his options" makes it sound like he's received three offers. I would be surprised if that's the case. If he has an offer from the Mets, that would mean that they haven't cast the wide net that Stearns said they would.

Edgy MD Oct 31 2023 01:45 PM Re: Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 25th manager?

Unless the Mets have interviewed 23 candidates and only one has been reported on. That's totally what has happened. Anyhow, isn't it kind of appropriate to land a GM first and a manager second?

metirish Nov 01 2023 12:18 PM Re: Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 25th manager?

As noted in a thread, Carlos Mendoza ( MFY coach) interviewed , and Sherman reports Andy Green too

metirish Nov 06 2023 09:55 AM Re: Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 25th manager?

Cleveland name Vogt as new manager, don't know if he was in the Mets radar or not

Benjamin Grimm Nov 06 2023 10:15 AM Re: Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 25th manager?

It means, at least, that Counsell isn't going there.

kcmets Nov 06 2023 10:27 AM Re: Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 25th manager?

Darling said this morning he wouldn't be surprised in Counsel stays put. Seems Mendoza is the front runner, I don't really care at this point, but really i'd find a surprise young guy emerging out of the blue much funner.

metirish Nov 06 2023 10:56 AM Re: Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 25th manager?

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1721582240709447967[/TWEET] Yeah, what Kase said

Marshmallowmilkshake Nov 06 2023 12:47 PM Re: Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 25th manager?

It's the CUBS -- who I guess are firing David Ross? [url]https://sny.tv/articles/mets-not-hiring-craig-counsell

Frayed Knot Nov 06 2023 03:01 PM Re: Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 25th manager?

=metirish post_id=140558 time=1699289754 user_id=72] Cleveland name Vogt as new manager, don't know if he was in the Mets radar or not

I guess the Guardians believe in Stephen Vogt!

metirish Nov 06 2023 07:14 PM Re: Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 25th manager?

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/NYPost_Mets/status/1721673739946135923[/TWEET] Good