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General Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 17th general manager?

Edgy MD Oct 09 2023 03:00 PM

That "17" figure is debatable, and depends on whether you count interims, recidivists, and interim recidivists. And do you count an interim triumberate who shared the job once, or multiple times? Early names, according to USA Today's Bob Nightengale, include former Philadelphia Phillies' general manager Matt Klentak and former Houston Astros' general manager James Click. Nightengale never struck me as good writer, but he's a guy who works his beat and shoots straight. Klentak was the guy who inherited a team that was paying the bills on contracts accrued during their last top-flight run, led them through some rough years, and got the boot just before their later (current) quality run. You may take that to mean his presence would be waiting out a five-year rebuild with the Mets, though that's probably not a necessary conclusion to draw. He has previously worked in top positions for Rockies, Orioles, and Angels. In the movie, he'd be played by Giovanna Ribisi. [FIMG=500]https://cdn10.phillymag.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Matt-Klentak-Headshot-940x540.jpg[/FIMG] Click is currently the Toronto Blue Jays' vice president role. He ran the Astros from 2020 until 2022 (which included the not officially tainted championship), and spent several years with the Rays before that. You may take that to mean his presence would mean a home-grown team, though that's probably not a necessary conclusion to draw. In the movie, he'd be played by Todd Louiso. [FIMG=500]https://metsmerizedonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/USATSI_18312533_168402349_lowres-1-768x537.jpg[/FIMG]

MFS62 Oct 09 2023 04:02 PM Re: General Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 17th general manager?

But will they ever be as good as Branch Rickey, who was played by Harrison Ford in 42? LOL! Later

MFS62 Oct 09 2023 06:46 PM Re: General Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 17th general manager?

Risingapple.com rates their top 5 GM candidates: 1-Sig Mejdal (Assistant GM, Baltimore) 2-Amiel Sawdaye (Senior VP and assistant,, GM Arizona) \ 3-Randy Flores (Assistant GM, St. Louis) 4-Carlos Rodriguez ( VP and Assistant GM, Rays) - my choice 5-Ben Sestanovich (baseball Operations, Atlanta) The link to the long, pop-up filled story describing each is https://risingapple.com/posts/ny-mets-5-best-gm-candidates-replace-billy-eppler?fbclid=IwAR2LB4A6vIv3OmrCZ_5vO1C9LmmNFTW8Lna1uhzgTAM_iZTYxbCXT_ufy9I Later

metirish Oct 16 2023 07:03 AM Re: General Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 17th general manager?

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/CraigMish/status/1713899280971256204[/TWEET]

Marshmallowmilkshake Oct 16 2023 07:25 AM Re: General Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 17th general manager?

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/CraigMish/status/1713899280971256204[/TWEET] Wow. Right after she gets them into the playoffs. Was this only her second year?

metirish Oct 16 2023 07:27 AM Re: General Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 17th general manager?

Per The Athletic Kim Ng will not return as general manager of the Miami Marlins in 2024, the team announced Monday. Although the club exercised her team option to return for the 2024 season, Ng declined

bmfc1 Oct 16 2023 08:12 AM Re: General Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 17th general manager? Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Oct 16 2023 10:27 AM

At a Starbucks in Miami: "Psst, Kim... Steve says 'hello'". "Steve who?" "You know, Steve. That Steve." "Oh, the Steve with bad grounds crew." "Whatever. You can fix that, too" "Got it."

metirish Oct 16 2023 10:25 AM Re: General Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 17th general manager?

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1713952636938891725[/TWEET]

Benjamin Grimm Oct 16 2023 10:34 AM Re: General Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 17th general manager?

It seems like the trend in the industry is that the GM position won't be as glamorous or powerful as it once was.

roger_that Oct 16 2023 10:54 AM Re: General Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 17th general manager?

GM of the Future: "flunky to the team's CEO or President or Chief of Baseball Operations or Mahatma."

MFS62 Oct 16 2023 11:00 AM Re: General Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 17th general manager?

I wanted her as GM the last time she was available when she left LA. She's put together two teams that made the playoffs, LA and the Fish. It wouldn't hurt to ask if she would take a job here and she could pick her own title. Later

metirish Oct 16 2023 11:37 AM Re: General Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 17th general manager?

And if she chooses title of President of baseball operations?

MFS62 Oct 16 2023 11:42 AM Re: General Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 17th general manager?

=metirish post_id=139509 time=1697477832 user_id=72] And if she chooses title of President of baseball operations?

Then we name Stearns Emperor.

Later

metirish Oct 16 2023 12:21 PM Re: General Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 17th general manager?

Haha , yes, joking of course but one can see why she didn't want to take up her option, I'm sure she will have many opportunities to be GM or Pres

nymr83 Oct 16 2023 02:09 PM Re: General Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 17th general manager?

Ng's departure — about 20 months after Derek Jeter's departure as the team's chief executive — raises questions about Sherman's vision for the organization. How does a franchise fail to retain not just one, but two highly respected baseball minds with championship pedigrees? It's a sobering and bewildering day for a team that should be building off its most encouraging season in decades. — Tyler Kepner, MLB senior writer From the athletic. Is Tyler trying to get himself a gift basket by smoking Jeter's knob? He has ZERO pedigree of success as an executive. Keep the story about Ng.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 16 2023 02:15 PM Re: General Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 17th general manager?

=Brittany Ghiroli, The Athletic] It's fair to wonder where Ng goes from here, as both current open general manager jobs come with caveats. There is Boston, where people in the industry remain wary of a job in which ownership has cycled through multiple candidates over the past five years, and one in which any new GM will be inheriting most of its front office as well as manager Alex Cora, who has considerable power, according to industry sources. There's also the Mets' GM job, though David Stearns was hired as president to oversee the organization earlier this month, and thus Ng would again be No. 2.

Edgy MD Oct 16 2023 02:23 PM Re: General Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 17th general manager?

Does Kepner back up his assertions with any quotes supporting the notion that Jeter's mind is highly respected in the industry? That colleagues and rivals were befuddled by his tenure ending? It's not like somebody has moved in to hire him since. Anyhow, that's a courageous jump by Ms. Ng.

Marshmallowmilkshake Oct 16 2023 03:21 PM Re: General Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 17th general manager?

Perhaps she will think being the Number 2 in New York with an owner who is committed to winning, is willing to spend, and has a design team that realizes black letters on black jersey is unreadable is better that being the No. 2 in Miami.

Lefty Specialist Oct 16 2023 04:23 PM Re: General Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 17th general manager?

I didn't realize that only 2 other GM jobs were open; seemed like there should be more. But Stearns seems like a very 'hands-on' guy and I would think that any GM under him will have their options limited, the kind of situation Ng just bailed out from. Of course Cohenbucks can be a powerful lure, both in one's paycheck and roster flexibility.

nymr83 Oct 16 2023 05:34 PM Re: General Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 17th general manager?

Edgy MD wrote: Does Kepner back up his assertions with any quotes supporting the notion that Jeter's mind is highly respected in the industry? That colleagues and rivals were befuddled by his tenure ending? It's not like somebody has moved in to hire him since. Anyhow, that's a courageous jump by Ms. Ng. Nope, that paragraph is the only part about Jeter. As I'm sure you know by now from 25 years of listening to Yankees fans, evidence of Jeter's "greatness" is usually considered unnecessary

Edgy MD Oct 16 2023 07:30 PM Re: General Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 17th general manager?

Thanks. A limited number of GM jobs may be open at the moment, but probably a greater number of president jobs are available if other teams want to go in that direction. She also could probably get a lot of interest from the league office or from sectors outside baseball until the chair she's looking for opens up. It's bold of her to walk away, but she's had a pretty impressive walk year.

roger_that Oct 17 2023 05:40 AM Re: General Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 17th general manager?

Jever work for a large company that hires senior administrative people at the top for absurd salaries, and keeps creating new top senior positions at top dollar while maintaining that they need to keep workers' salaries down because times are tough?

metirish Oct 20 2023 12:05 PM Re: General Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 17th general manager?

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/ChrisCotillo/status/1715413354548707797[/TWEET] Interesting, although Boston apparently isn't the great job it used to be (ownership)

Edgy MD Oct 20 2023 09:22 PM Re: General Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 17th general manager?

Kim Ng for Speaker of the House!!

MFS62 Oct 21 2023 06:53 AM Re: General Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 17th general manager?

Edgy MD wrote: Kim Ng for Speaker of the House!! Good idea. If she can deal with agents, she can deal with anybody. Later

metirish Nov 07 2023 01:46 PM Re: General Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 17th general manager?

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/NYPost_Mets/status/1721982980993024401[/TWEET] Not sure I like this

Frayed Knot Nov 07 2023 02:16 PM Re: General Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 17th general manager?

Essentially that just means that he's the GM for now.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 07 2023 02:18 PM Re: General Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 17th general manager?

I'm not surprised. I read something recently that the distinction between POBO and GM is just a result of "position inflation". The POBO does what a GM used to do, and a GM does what an Assistant GM used to do. It's like when Mary Richards was promoted from Associate Producer at WJM to Producer. Meanwhile, Lou Grant was promoted to Executive Producer. And neither of their job functions changed. So as far as I'm concerned, no GM is no biggie.

Edgy MD Nov 07 2023 02:22 PM Re: General Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 17th general manager?

On the other hand, WJM rarely finished out of the cellar.

Frayed Knot Nov 07 2023 02:25 PM Re: General Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 17th general manager?

One of the ass't GMs will likely be the contact man to the agents for contract negotiations while Stearns makes the final decisions. I agree that not having a titled GM isn't a big deal. If nothing else it gives the POBO time to evaluate who he's got in house. You (Grimm) should go to the next press conference and point out the Mary/Lou analogy to Stearnes. You'll probably get tossed out of the room on your ass but it'll be totally worth it.

metirish Nov 07 2023 04:40 PM Re: General Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 17th general manager?

I guess it's better than the time we had several GMs

MFS62 Nov 11 2023 06:48 AM Re: General Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 17th general manager?

SNY announcing that Carlos Beltran will stay with the organization and be the the Special Assistant under Stearns. I'm hoping that will be an audition for the full GM role once Stearns sees how well they can work together. Later

The Hot Corner Nov 11 2023 05:31 PM Re: General Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 17th general manager?

I have always liked Beltran. I hated that he was involved in the sign stealing scandal in Houston. I am glad he has a role with the Mets, but I'm not sure what qualifications or experience he has that would make him a good GM. I think he is a better fit as a hitting instructor. I guess we will see how things unfold in the future.

roger_that Nov 12 2023 05:06 AM Re: General Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 17th general manager?

Aren't they just dicking around with job titles at this point? We could discuss the hierarchy of who's responsible for making certain decisions, who's above whom on the hiring/firing ladder, etc. Coaches are subordinate to manager, manager is subordinate to someone who was formerly known as a GM, that person is subordinate to chief of baseball operations , the CBO is subordinate to the President of the franchise, who is subordinate to the team's owner, with various "assistants" and "associates" interspersed between various levels, with the responsibility for certain areas of decision to be determined. All this "titles" stuff is just to make unclear who's responsible for what. The old manager-GM-owner hierarchy was clear enough, and it was clear enough when someone was overstepping his job description. Now it's not.

Edgy MD Nov 17 2023 08:58 PM Re: General Manager Search Thread: Who will be the 17th general manager?

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I read something recently that the distinction between POBO and GM is just a result of "position inflation". The POBO does what a GM used to do, and a GM does what an Assistant GM used to do. In the spirit of position inflation, strange things have been afoot on the training staff. I just realized that some time when we weren't looking, Brian Chicklo, who had carried the title of "head trainer," became the "director of player health. This allowed Joseph Golia, the erstwhile "assistant trainer" to pull a Mary Richards and become "head trainer." Dustin "The Wind" Clarke, who you may remember from such films as Strength and Conditioning Coach, is now starring in Performance Coach. And Sean Bardanett is not longer to be referred to as "physical therapist," thank you very much, but as "reconditioning coordinator." You can take that PT bullshit and get out of here. This all may have happened yesterday or a year ago. The Mets Roster Central staff is tasked with trying to figure it all out, but half of them are instead clamoring for inflated position titles of their own.