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How the Rotation Sets Up

Gwreck May 13 2006 12:50 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 29 2006 01:31 PM

With off days this and next Monday, the Mets have some options as to how to structure the rotation. Following this weekend's series with the Brewers, the rotation sets up like this: Mon 5/15 OFF Tue 5/16 Glavine at STL Wed 5/17 Trachsel at STL Thu 5/18 at STL Fri 5/19 vs NYY Sat 5/20 vs NYY Sun 5/21 Glavine vs NYY Mon 5/22 OFF Pedro could pitch on either Friday (4 days rest) or Saturday (5 days). The Yankees have no off-days between now and that series, so we can determine that they'll be starting Johnson/Mussina/Chacon. I'm not sure what the Mets are going to do, but I'm not exactly thrilled by the idea of Lima pitching against the Cardinals and Gonzalez against the Yankees.

TransMonk May 13 2006 08:13 AM

Did Bannister throw yesterday? I had heard they were trying to set him up to pitch Friday against the Yanks.

Frayed Knot May 13 2006 09:02 AM

Bannister is pitching in a simulated game today. The idea - assuming he doesn't get his simulated ass kicked or re-aggravate his simulated hamstring - is to have him ready for one of the Yanqui games next week, presumably the Saturday game: Pedro - Bannister - Glavine. I suppose whoever looks better out of this Lima/Gonzalez duo gets the Thursday start at StL. btw, Bell down in favor of Gonzalez -- no word on what 40-man move they'll make in order to promote Jeremi.

Edgy DC May 13 2006 09:15 AM

Juan Perez seems exposeable.

OlerudOwned May 13 2006 01:06 PM

The Yankees already? Interleauge play seems to start earlier every year (Or I'm losing it).

smg58 May 13 2006 01:45 PM

They're definitely starting early this year. Speaking of the Yankees, they'll have six starters when Pavano comes off the DL in a week or two, and they'd have a use for Victor Diaz. I'm not sure there's a good deal in there or not, but it's an option worth exploring.

Bret Sabermetric May 13 2006 01:51 PM

They're waiting for Victor to mangle his leg for life in a tragic Bunsen-burner/heroin experiment. It's not as though they're going to do anything with him anyway, is there? Nady's the man.

TheOldMole May 13 2006 04:14 PM

It's a long season. Let's have Pedro still strong for the stretch.

Gwreck May 13 2006 05:34 PM

Metsblog sez: "The team is hopeful, and confident that Brian Bannister will be able to start this friday or saturday against the yankees" I'd view that as the ideal situation. Pedro goes on normal rest on Friday, with Bannister on Saturday. Either Gonzalez or Lima will have to take the Thursday afternoon start vs. the Cardinals. After that, they won't need the fifth starter until May 27...

Zvon May 13 2006 05:38 PM

Willie R says Gonzalez pitched a strong game on Tampa Bay vs. the Skanks once. Dont know if thats PR work or what, but I would rather have 3 regulars going in that series. Hopefully Bannisters back, so we can watch him get in all kinds of trouble and then get out of it.

heep May 13 2006 11:59 PM

Watch out for Evan MacLane, I've been saying it since the beginning of the season. He pitched another solid game tonight for AAA, 7 innings shutout, 11 k's. He can't do any worse than Lima

Edgy DC May 14 2006 12:02 AM

Sure he can. Happens all the time.

Bret Sabermetric May 14 2006 04:39 PM

Edgy DC wrote: Sure he can. Happens all the time. This is the kind of sophic wisdom that drives me nuts. Ya think MacLane could have contrived to lose 3 games in only two starts? Ya think it's very likely he could have a higher ERA than 9.31? Yeah, it happens all the time. Color me nuts.

Elster88 May 14 2006 04:55 PM

So you're saying it's not possible for him to perform worse than Lima? It's not possible in this world that we live in? I agree with you; that is nuts.

Bret Sabermetric May 14 2006 06:26 PM

Elster88 wrote: So you're saying it's not possible for him to perform worse than Lima? It's not possible in this world that we live in? I agree with you; that is nuts. You talkin' to me?

Vic Sage May 15 2006 12:43 PM

]sophic wisdom i prefer sapphic wisdom.

duan May 15 2006 12:53 PM

Frayed Knot wrote: Bannister is pitching in a simulated game today. The idea - assuming he doesn't get his simulated ass kicked or re-aggravate his simulated hamstring - is to have him ready for one of the Yanqui games next week, presumably the Saturday game: Pedro - Bannister - Glavine. I suppose whoever looks better out of this Lima/Gonzalez duo gets the Thursday start at StL. btw, Bell down in favor of Gonzalez -- no word on what 40-man move they'll make in order to promote Jeremi. "Mets recalled RHP Bartolome Fortunato from Triple-A Norfolk and placed him on the 60-day disabled list with a torn UCL in his right elbow. Fortunato, who spent three days with the Mets earlier this month, will undergo Tommy John surgery and miss the rest of the year. He'll probably be removed from the 40-man roster right after the season ends. Ma"

Bret Sabermetric May 15 2006 01:15 PM

Making official the Mets' wisdom in avoiding future elbow problems by trading Scott Kazmir for Zambrano and Fortunato. Only if Jose Diaz, whom the Mets threw in in that deal, has had a heathy arm would it be mathematically possible for the Mets to have made larger dicks out of themselves on this one..

The Big O May 26 2006 09:17 AM

Guess this is as good a "general pitching rotation" thread to bump as any. This is all info I hadn't previously seen posted here. With the obligatory "it's Heyman" disclaimer of reality: ="[url=http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/mets/ny-sphey244754781may24,0,4476135.column?coll=ny-sports-headlines]Jon Heyman[/url]"]... Omar Minaya, who has a naturally itchy trigger finger, must somehow coax a trade. Minaya was in such a jovial mood yesterday, leading me to believe he was thinking about something other than the jive other general managers are handing him. So far his trading partners are suggesting either "bad stats" (Omar's words) or bad deals (mine). Being a naturally kind man, Minaya didn't mention which pitchers were the owners of the "bad stats." But two of the trade rejects are believed to be Bruce Chen, who is 0-5 with an 8.08 ERA, and Jeremy Affeldt, who's a tiny bit better at 2-4 and 6.51. It's not that the Mets are so proud. Apparently, they were considering Affeldt until his latest abomination, an 8-0 defeat Monday night. ... The Nats transformed into the Gnats when they suggested the Mets surrender the talented Lastings Milledge for Livan Hernandez, who has a 5.51 ERA and $13 million remaining on his contract through next year. This may be irrelevant information now that we've picked up 2 starters. Incidentally, [url=http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?name=olney_buster#20060521]Buster Olney[/url] was advocating for Dave Williams behind the Insider wall earlier this week. (I do not have Insider access, unfortunately.)

Elster88 May 28 2006 11:54 PM

="nymets.com"]Steve Trachsel said the small bone that popped out in his upper back on Tuesday was put back in place the same night and he has had no trouble with it. Thus, Trachsel said he is ready to pitch on Monday against the Diamondbacks. I added the bold for emphasis. I never even heard about this.

Willets Point May 29 2006 12:50 AM

If a small bone pops up anywhere on the body other than between the thighs I think it's a cause for concern.

Nymr83 May 29 2006 02:22 AM

Willets Point wrote: If a small bone pops up anywhere on the body other than between the thighs I think it's a cause for concern. between this and the Bonds thread Willets is on fire tonight

Gwreck May 29 2006 01:31 PM

I edited the title (to just "How the Rotation Sets Up") now that this has developed into an all-purpose sort of thread.

Elster88 May 29 2006 03:31 PM

Willets Point wrote: If a small bone pops up anywhere on the body other than between the thighs I think it's a cause for concern. LOL.... ...and agreed.

Elster88 Jun 04 2006 03:34 PM

nymets.com wrote: Tom Glavine threw softly for about 10 minutes before the game Sunday -- after pitching seven innings Saturday -- and proclaimed himself willing and able to start Wednesday night against the Dodgers. He will be starting on three, rather than the normal four days' rest. Why?!?!?!

Gwreck Jun 04 2006 07:09 PM

Elster88 wrote: ="nymets.com"]Tom Glavine threw softly for about 10 minutes before the game Sunday -- after pitching seven innings Saturday -- and proclaimed himself willing and able to start Wednesday night against the Dodgers. He will be starting on three, rather than the normal four days' rest. Why?!?!?! Rain and the doubleheader. Using John Maine requires a roster move, which would be sending Heath Bell back down at a time when the 'pen is already a bit overworked. (No, they're not going to release Matsui). Other option is Darren Oliver.

Elster88 Jun 04 2006 11:45 PM

Ah. Forgot the double-header. Good call Gweck.

Gwreck Jun 08 2006 12:21 AM

Preliminary analysis shows that Pedro will be taking the start on Wednesday, June 28 at Fenway Park.

Willets Point Jun 12 2006 06:44 PM

Gwreck wrote: Preliminary analysis shows that Pedro will be taking the start on Wednesday, June 28 at Fenway Park. And I have tix for the 27th & 29th. Of course I have a long history of seeing Pedro lose at Fenway Park so this may be a good thing (although I saw him lose to the Mets so maybe not).

Gwreck Jun 26 2006 01:28 AM

Off day today, but then two straight weeks without one. We set up nicely against Boston, with: Tue: Soler vs. Lester and then the marquee matchups: Wed: Beckett vs. Pedro Thu: Schilling vs. Glavine. This puts us at a disadvantage vs. the MFYs, though. Fri: El Duque vs. Mussina Sat: Trachsel vs. Johnson Sun: Soler vs. Wright or Chacon Also worth considering is the doubleheader coming up vs. Florida on July 8th. Preliminary analysis shows Pedro on schedule to pitch one of the games with Glavine on Sunday (and then the All-Star break). Glavine could be moved up to take the start in game 2 (and perhaps be ready to pitch that Tuesday in Pittsburgh) but that would also require El Duque pitching on short rest the next day. Darren Oliver is always a possibility -- or perhaps Mr. Bannister might be back by then? We shall see over the next 2 weeks...

Elster88 Jun 26 2006 08:49 AM

Gwreck wrote: This puts us at a disadvantage vs. the MFYs, though. Fri: El Duque vs. Mussina Sat: Trachsel vs. Johnson Sun: Soler vs. Wright or Chacon Sort of. Disadvantage for game 1. 2&3 could either be advantages for us or even.

Edgy DC Jun 26 2006 09:22 AM

Interesting to see if Franco starts at first against Randy Johnson.

Yancy Street Gang Jun 26 2006 10:10 AM

Glavine could possibly get two consecutive starts, thanks to the four-day All-Star break. It looks like he'll pitch on Sunday, July 9, and he could go again in the following game, on Friday, July 14 in Chicago. My guess, though, is that Pedro will get that Friday start. So we'll have four games of Pedro, Glavine, Pedro, Glavine.

Frayed Knot Jun 26 2006 10:13 AM

Once we break for the ASG, we have just 3 games over the next 8 days - Ugh! (Mon thru Mon) OFF - OFF - OFF - OFF - Cubs - Cubs - Cubs - OFF Good for rotation ... bad for fans.

Yancy Street Gang Jun 26 2006 10:19 AM

I have a very long dry stretch coming up, since I'll miss all of the games for ten days before the All-Star break because of my vacation. I'll watch the last game from Boston on Thursday night, and then nothing until July 14. And I won't be able to see either of the last two games from Wrigley unless FOX televises the Saturday game. I might be able to see the beginning of the July 1 game against the Yankees. It'll be on FOX, and it will start at 8 a.m. Alaska time.

MFS62 Jun 26 2006 10:26 AM

Frayed Knot wrote: Once we break for the ASG, we have just 3 games over the next 8 days - Ugh! (Mon thru Mon) OFF - OFF - OFF - OFF - Cubs - Cubs - Cubs - OFF Good for rotation ... bad for fans. Also bad for Traschel. I've read several times that he is a slave to routine. He likes pitching in a five man rotation. If that gets messed up (either too many or too few days between starts) he doesn't pitch as well. Later

Gwreck Jul 02 2006 08:32 PM

With the doubleheader coming up on Saturday, Ed Coleman said on WFAN today that Darren Oliver or John Maine would be making a start this week.

seawolf17 Jul 02 2006 08:35 PM

According to [url=http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2507739]ESPN[/url], that would be on Monday, because Pedro's skipping a start.

Frayed Knot Jul 02 2006 08:37 PM

And the reason for that - in addition to the DH of course - is that Pedro will miss his start tomorrow due to this bad hip of his. It's unclear at this point whether he's going to miss an entire go around or just get pushed back a few days. Either way I'm betting that Pedro pulls out of the AS Game appearance.

Gwreck Jul 02 2006 09:33 PM

Pedro slipped in the bathroom and fell on his hip while he was changing his shirt during a series in Florida in May. That's the cause of the hip injury, which is bothering him, apparently.

cleonjones11 Jul 02 2006 11:10 PM

We really have a different rotation since most are hurt or inept..How about.. 1. Dontrelle Willis 2. Tom Glavine Uh...we have to trade for Willis and we dont really have anyone else

Frayed Knot Jul 03 2006 12:12 AM

Well I've been figuring all along that our current rotation would make it until the AS break before any changes would be implemented ... but it doesn't look like we're going to make it that far. Between Pedro's hip, Soler sucking, and the DH coming up this week, some move (and maybe more than one) is going to have to be made. Maine probably sometime this week, I'd guess in exchange for Soler getting on the Norfolk express hopefully to get straightened out. Bannister still isn't pitching regularly, which leaves Lima *ugh), MacLane (who hasn't been pitching well lately), or Pelfrey (who has). This all supposes no deal is made. I still think they'll wait a bit more on Pelfrey - at minimum until after the AS break and our 3-games-in-8-days gap is behind us. Then again, what da fuck do I know?

Gwreck Jul 03 2006 12:13 AM

Bannister should also be back...eventually.

Frayed Knot Jul 03 2006 12:22 AM

Yeah, I just don't know when "eventually" is. He was only eligible to come off the DL just in the last week (remember he was moved to the 60-day) and I don't think he's even pitched anywhere yet. Sounds like he's at least another month away - and it's not like we know what he is yet either.

Gwreck Jul 06 2006 12:03 AM

Going into the All-Star Break: Thu: Trachsel Fri: Sat: John Maine Sat: Sun: Glavine Forecast: Pedro will pitch Friday, if able. Otherwise, he'll go on the DL, retroactive to his last appearance (June 28 vs. Boston) and will be reactivated to start July 14, the first game after the All-Star break. If Pedro goes on the DL: Jose Lima will start Friday. The other start on Saturday will fall to Darren Oliver, probably with Anderson Garcia being called up to cover the 'pen -- or Mike Pelfrey will be called up and will start. If Pedro does pitch: Lima time probably shifts back to Saturday. My Prediction: Pedro to the DL, no Pelfrey.

SI Metman Jul 06 2006 07:49 AM

I doubt Anderson Garcia gets the call. He had a rehab outing on Tuesday night for the Gulf Coast League team and was wildly ineffective. Their best bet is to put a guy out there that will give them a 100 pitches.

Edgy DC Jul 06 2006 08:12 AM

Just looking for a backender for the pen for a day or two. It could be Steve Schmoll or Juan Perez or Tim Lavigne.

Gwreck Jul 06 2006 08:29 AM

Edgy DC wrote: Just looking for a backender for the pen for a day or two. It could be Steve Schmoll or Juan Perez or Tim Lavigne. True. I forgot that Garcia was hurt, I figured him as the backender for a day or two du jour, given his previous call up.

Gwreck Jul 09 2006 11:47 PM

Rotation following the All-Star Break is set: at Chicago Fri - Trachsel Sat - Glavine Sun - Hernandez at Cincinnati Tue - Maine or Pelfrey Wed - Pedro Thu - Trachsel

metirish Jul 13 2006 08:23 PM

Just heard on the FAN that Pedro will not pitch against the Reds next week becuase of a stomach bug.

Gwreck Jul 13 2006 08:42 PM

Probably results in Pelfrey and Maine getting the starts against the Reds.

metirish Jul 13 2006 08:44 PM

Pelfrey will start Tuesday, Reyes won't play tomorrow, and that game is at 2pm....I hate that.

Frayed Knot Jul 13 2006 09:09 PM

Yeah, essentially there were three pieces of news coming out of Chicago where the Mets are today for a team workout: via Eddie Coleman on FAN 1) Pedro was felled by a stomach bug over the break and therefore did not throw as planned (or at least that's their story and they're sticking to it) ergo he's NOT sked to pitch Wednesday as per the original plan. Assuming this is a legit story, and not something concocted in order to cover up something concerning his hip/toe/shoulder, all this does is give him a longer break. 2) Reyes will NOT be in the lineup on Friday but should be sometime during the weekend. Still the pinkie finger bugging him and apparently he can swing righty better than lefty 3) Pelfrey will throw Tuesday, filling out the Trax, Glavine, Ducky rotation. So Wednesday (where Pedro was sked to start) can either be filled with Maine or w/Trax who will be on his reg rest by then thanks to Monday's off day. Speculation is that Maine can be used out of the pen this weekend or maybe take the start on Wednesday if not needed before then.

Gwreck Jul 17 2006 02:53 PM

Coming up this week: Pelfrey/Trachsel/Glavine vs. the Reds on Tuesday-Wednesday-Thursday. For the weekend series vs. the Astros: Fri: El Duque vs. Taylor Buchholz Sat: TBA (Pedro? Maine?) vs. TBA (Wandy Rodriguez/Fernando Nieve) Sun: Pelfrey vs. Roy Oswalt Looks like you-know-who probably won't even make the trip to Shea, with the Astros starting a homestand the following Tuesday.

Gwreck Jul 18 2006 11:07 PM

Maine starts on Saturday. The off days could allow them to push Pedro all the way back to the first weekend in August against Philly if they wanted. More likely, he starts 7/29 vs. Atlanta.

Elster88 Jul 20 2006 04:28 PM

I feel like Met starters have completed seven innings like twice all year.

Elster88 Jul 22 2006 12:42 PM

I never gave up on you, Maine.

Elster88 Jul 22 2006 01:22 PM

When Pedro comes back, I want a rotation of Pedro, Glavine, Traxx, Pelfrey, and Maine. Ducky to the pen. Or AAA. Yes, I felt that way before yesterday's game.

Nymr83 Jul 22 2006 03:35 PM

maine has earned more starts and el duque has pitched his way out of them.

ScarletKnight41 Jul 22 2006 03:38 PM

What is the point of saying that Pedro will only pitch one more time before the trading deadline? It's not as if Pedro is on the trading block. These guys are maroons and knuckleheads. And yet, they're the best Fox has to offer. Fox needs to sign up some better broadcasters NOW!!!

Iubitul Jul 22 2006 04:24 PM

ScarletKnight41 wrote: These guys are maroons and knuckleheads. And yet, they're the best Fox has to offer. Fox needs to sign up some better broadcasters NOW!!! they are also light-years better than the broadcasters for most teams - we are spoiled by the quality of our broadcasters...

ScarletKnight41 Jul 22 2006 04:26 PM

True - I hear announcers from all over the country, and some are just godawful. Even so, the Fox national broadcasts should be the acme of broadcasting. Good enough shouldn't be the standard.

Elster88 Jul 23 2006 01:35 PM

Nymr83 wrote: maine has earned more starts and el duque has pitched his way out of them. Nymr agrees me, which is rare. Anyone else?

Frayed Knot Jul 23 2006 09:17 PM

So if El Ducky's 7inn/2ER performance rates him a boot out of the rotation, what did Pelfrey's outing today do for him? And - before anyone brings it up - I'm not talking about the long-term future between the two.

metirish Jul 23 2006 09:21 PM

Willie has indicated that if Hernandez keeps pitching like he did yesterday then he will be in the rotation, which of course makes sence, I have no idea really what to make of Pelfrey, I suppose with the big lead the Mets have Willie can afford to keep pitching him, it will be interesting what they do when Pedro comes back this week.

ScarletKnight41 Jul 23 2006 09:33 PM

Frayed Knot wrote: So if El Ducky's 7inn/2ER performance rates him a boot out of the rotation, what did Pelfrey's outing today do for him? And - before anyone brings it up - I'm not talking about the long-term future between the two. IMO, it earned Pelfrey a trip back to Norfolk for more seasoning.

Frayed Knot Jul 23 2006 09:42 PM

Fine, but just keep in mind that a trip back to the minors for Pelfrey means we need to either keep Duque around or find a suitable replacement for him reeaaall quick. And assuming that one replacement is enough to cover us also assumes that Maine's last outing was a sign of things to come -- as opposed to say Soler's CG shutout was earlier in the year.

Edgy DC Jul 23 2006 10:16 PM

I think we need to realize the benefit of this padding is that we don't have to make a move every time a pitcher has a bad outing.

metirish Jul 23 2006 10:20 PM

Exactly and being with Peterson can only help him, we have this huge lead so why not keep him here and have Rick work with him,especially his off speed stuff needs fine tuning.

Gwreck Jul 24 2006 09:53 AM

Pedro is scheduled to come of the DL and take the start Friday in Atlanta.

Gwreck Jul 24 2006 09:44 PM

Pelfrey is going to get another start as well. A 6-man rotation for a little while, with El Duque possibly to the 'pen. Source: Marty Noble's notes column on Mets.com

Frayed Knot Jul 24 2006 11:37 PM

On the pre-game today Willie specifically negated the idea of a 6-man rotation for now -- saying that it was maybe a September consideration. It's Maine sked for Wed, an off-day on Thurs, Pedro back on Friday, and presumably Pelfrey on Saturday. By Sunday it would be Glavine's day again but El Duque's spot - so either Ducky gets bounced to the pen (remember someone has to get sent down when we re-activate Petey) or someone from the Ducky/Trax/Maine/Pelfrey crew needs to disappear.

Gwreck Jul 24 2006 11:48 PM

Thanks for the update, I missed pregame today. I suspect Heath Bell is headed back to Norfolk with the Pedro activiation and they use El Duque and Maine in the rotation/'pen as needed. They may want to give Pelfrey a few more chances rather than send him right back to the minors. Further complicating things, possibly, Bannister is making his first rehab start Wednesday in St. Lucie.

Elster88 Jul 26 2006 09:07 AM

8 runs given up by the team in each of the last three games.

Elster88 Jul 26 2006 09:09 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 26 2006 09:13 AM

6 man rotation. At least briefly: ]Now, with Pedro Martinez ready to return to pitching after a month of inactivity, the Mets are going to implement a six-man rotation again. Willie Randolph indicated as much on Monday night before the Mets began their three-game series against the Cubs. The manager was uncertain about the sequence, but he said that there would be at least one rotation of six pitchers. The plan all but guarantees John Maine another start next week -- he is to start against the Cubs on Wednesday afternoon -- and all but assures fellow rookie Mike Pelfrey of at least a fourth big-league start. ]The rotation -- for now -- has Tom Glavine pitching on Tuesday night, followed by Maine on Wednesday and Martinez on Friday in Atlanta. El Duque would be in line for Saturday and Pelfrey for Sunday, but Randolph didn't commit to either one starting. [url=http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060724&content_id=1573037&vkey=news_nym&fext=.jsp&c_id=nym]Linkage[/url]

Yancy Street Gang Jul 26 2006 09:10 AM

Hopefully the Maine Man will end that trend. A little item in the Daily News today about trade deadline deals suggests that the Mets might pick up Livan Hernandez after the deadline, since it's expected that he would easily clear waivers because of his salary. Omar, on SNY's telecast last night, also hinted that a move might be made during the month of August.

Elster88 Jul 26 2006 04:51 PM

Willie just made absolutely no sense in trying to explain how the rotation would work (on M&MD).

Elster88 Jul 26 2006 04:53 PM

FINALLY, Mike got him to say that Pelfrey and Maine are battling for one spot.

Yancy Street Gang Jul 26 2006 04:56 PM

So Hernandez is the one who's safe? I'd rather have three guys battling for two spots.

Elster88 Jul 26 2006 04:57 PM

Yancy Street Gang wrote: So Hernandez is the one who's safe? Yup. As of today at least. Yancy Street Gang wrote: I'd rather have three guys battling for two spots. Me too. (But of course El Duque's a weiner, er winner.)

Elster88 Jul 26 2006 04:58 PM

Bannister throwing a simulated game either today or tomorrow. Remember him?

Gwreck Jul 26 2006 05:04 PM

I'm suprised that Pelfrey is not just getting the ticket back to the minors with Pedro coming off the DL (clearly, it will be Heath Bell again). WIth the off day Thursday and Monday, it doesn't make much sense to be carrying that 6th starter right now.

Frayed Knot Jul 26 2006 11:09 PM

Well they're sorta in a 6-man at this point now that Pedro's back - but it sounds like that just temporary. As of now it's: Fri - Pedro Sat - Ducky Sun - hasn't been named but I can't see how it won't be Glavine Mon - off day At that point all bets are off. Someone reported yesterday (think it was Eddie C?) that Pelfrey let slip that he's got the first game vs Florida (Tues). Not sure if that's subject to change or if he just let the cat out of the bag since Willie's not saying that publically yet. Willie was on the radio after the game today and indicated that Trax & Ducky are safe for now - meaning that the race for #5 is between Maine & Pelfrey. Of course all this is subject to trades and obviously Maine helped himself out a lot this week.

Gwreck Jul 27 2006 10:05 AM

Willie said on the pregame interview of yesterday's game that it will indeed be Glavine on Sunday. I guess that puts Pelfrey on Tuesday, and then Trachsel and Maine?

Gwreck Jul 28 2006 08:26 PM

Gwreck wrote: I guess that puts Pelfrey on Tuesday, and then Trachsel and Maine? Confirmed, as per Willie on the pregame report.

Frayed Knot Jul 28 2006 10:40 PM

According to Eddie C late this afternoon it was: Fri - Pedro (duh) Sat - Ducky Sun - Glavine Mon - Off Tues - Pelfrey Wed - Trax Thurs - Pedro again, which would be his 6th day IOW, Maine's the guy getting skipped for now (or at least delayed) although Willie said he will get another start. I'd guess this is Pelfrey's last trip around the rodeo unless he really impresses in his next start. Not sure why - with the two days off and Pedro returning - he wasn't sent down already to get more work but I guess they want to see him at least once more.

Elster88 Jul 29 2006 05:49 PM

Who wanted El Duque put in the pen? Who? TELL ME WHO. I DEMAND YOU TELL ME WHO WANTED EL DUQUE PUT IN THE BULLPEN.

Nymr83 Jul 29 2006 06:46 PM

me. still think that would be the best longterm move. of course i wont have many supporters today but wait until he gets lit up a couple of times and all the other naysayers will be right back in my camp.

Iubitul Jul 29 2006 07:03 PM

Elster88 wrote: Who wanted El Duque put in the pen? Who? TELL ME WHO. I DEMAND YOU TELL ME WHO WANTED EL DUQUE PUT IN THE BULLPEN. Me too. I'm still not convinced that he's a better option than Maine and Pelfrey for the rotation...

Elster88 Jul 29 2006 08:29 PM

I did too. I am making fun of myself. To cover my shame and embarrassment.

martin Jul 29 2006 08:50 PM

i definitely wanted as well as expected el duque to end up in the pen. now i am really interested in the situation, and happy because most options are good. i think we are sure maine stays in the rotation arent we? the only question i think is whether the duke heads to the pen or pelfrey goes down. this leaves the question going forward of who would start game 3 in the playoffs. and although i dont dislike trax, i hope somebody else makes a strong enough statement in the second half that they grab that 3rd spot by the throat. (this means you john maine)

Johnny Dickshot Jul 29 2006 09:10 PM

I was quite down on Duque a while ago too. Seems to me he turns it on and off a little too much. Without looking it up, I'd guess a greater percentage of his outings fall into the "very bad" or "quite good" buckets as compared with his teammates.

Gwreck Aug 03 2006 02:55 AM

Pelfrey's back to the minors, Maine will start Sunday, and the Mets are back to what projects as a 5-man rotation for the time being.

Elster88 Aug 03 2006 09:15 AM

I've decided that I really don't like how Pelfrey sticks out his tongue.

Frayed Knot Aug 03 2006 09:36 AM

So now that we're back to 5, let's assume today in day #1 since Petey's going, which gives us; Martinez - Hernandez - Glavine - Maine - Trachsel Mnemonic that!

Edgy DC Aug 03 2006 09:54 AM

Met Haters Got Major Trouble

Johnny Dickshot Aug 03 2006 10:06 AM

You can't mnemomic with two M's. Gotta be Pedro, Hernandez, Glavine, maine, Trax or Pound Heinekens, Get Majorly Trashed

Yancy Street Gang Aug 03 2006 10:11 AM

They should juggle it so that it's Steve, Tom, Orlando, Maine, and Pedro. STOMP!

seawolf17 Aug 03 2006 10:13 AM

Or they should activate Zambrano just so we can bring back the nickname Vagina Boy.

MFS62 Aug 03 2006 10:53 AM

Speaking of rotations, as the result of recent moves the rotation at Norfolk will include Pelfrey, Bannister and Perez. The rest of the rotation possibles include lefty prospect Evan McClain, Iriki and Lima. Well, three (maybe four) out of six ain't bad. Later

Gwreck Aug 22 2006 11:26 PM

Glavine was originally scheduled to pitch tonight (Tuesday, 8/22) but the off day on Monday allowed them to bump everybody up a day. The rotation this week: Tue v. STL: Maine Wed v. STL: Trachsel Thu v. STL: Williams Fri v. PHI: El Duque Sat v. PHI: TBA Paging Mr. Bannister, please pick up the white courtesy phone. Either that or Darren Oliver may finally get a 2006 start.

Gwreck Aug 24 2006 07:08 PM

Fri v. PHI - Brian Bannister Sat v. PHI - Oliver Perez, probably Sun v. PHI - John Maine El Duque is "not injured" but will skip a start.

Yancy Street Gang Aug 24 2006 07:27 PM

Maybe he just wants a blow.

Frayed Knot Aug 24 2006 07:34 PM

I think the Mets admit injuries and the seriousness of them the way the Politburo used to admit illnesses to General Secretaries

Gwreck Aug 26 2006 10:54 PM

vs. Philadelphia Sunday (tomorrow): John Maine vs. new Phillie Jamie Moyer at Colorado Tue: Steve Trachsel vs. Byung-Hyung Kim Wed: Dave Williams vs. Josh Fogg Thu: El Duque/Oliver Perez vs. Jeff Francis at Houston Fri:Tom Glavine vs. Andy Pettite Sat: Oliver Perez/El Duque vs. Jason Hirsh Sun: John Maine vs. Roy Oswalt

TheOldMole Aug 27 2006 08:06 PM

Any relation to Patchy?

Gwreck Aug 28 2006 12:46 AM

Change for the Houston series -- we miss Pettitte too. at Houston Fri:Tom Glavine vs. Wandy Rodriguez Sat: Oliver Perez/El Duque vs. Jason Hirsh Sun: John Maine vs. Roy Oswalt

Willets Point Aug 28 2006 12:25 PM

I don't miss Rat Face at all.

Gwreck Sep 02 2006 12:21 AM

at Houston Sat: John Maine vs. Jason Hirsh Sun: El Duque vs. Roy Oswalt vs. Atlanta Mon: Steve Trachsel vs. Chuck James Tue: Dave Williams vs. John Smoltz Wed: Tom Glavine vs. Lance Cormier (?) vs. Los Angeles Thu: John Maine vs. Brad Penny Fri: Brian Bannister/Mike Pelfrey/Oliver Perez vs. Chad Billingsley Sat: El Duque vs. Greg Maddux Sun: Dave Williams vs. Mark Hendrickson Note that the LA series is a tenative projection. Skipping a Trachsel start might be necessary to help set the rotation for playoff purposes. Look for Pedro to return during the series in Pittsburgh, September 15-17.

Gwreck Sep 04 2006 09:53 PM

A change with Glavine being pushed back a day: vs. Atlanta Tue: Dave Williams vs. John Smoltz Wed: Oliver Perez vs. Oscar Villareal vs. Los Angeles Thu: Tom Glavine vs. Brad Penny Fri: John Maine vs. Aaron Sele Sat: El Duque vs. Greg Maddux Sun: Steve Trachsel vs. Mark Hendrickson

Gwreck Sep 07 2006 10:53 PM

vs. Los Angeles Fri: John Maine vs. Hong-Chi Kuo Sat: El Duque vs. Greg Maddux Sun: Steve Trachsel vs. Mark Hendrickson at Florida Mon: Dave Williams / Oliver Perez vs. Anibal Sanchez (yes, his first start since the no-no). Tue: Tom Glavine vs. Josh Johnson Wed: John Maine vs. Scott Olson

Gwreck Sep 21 2006 10:04 PM

Expect a few changes to that 6-man rotation as we come down the home stretch. Glavine will (in all liklihood) be put back on his regular 5th day, and Maine/Perez skipped in favor of Trachsel getting another start. vs. Washington Fri: El Duque vs. Pedro Astacio Sat: John Maine vs. Michael O'Connor Sun: Steve Trachsel vs. Tony Armas Jr. Mon: Tom Glavine vs. Beltran Perez at Atlanta Tue: Oliver Perez vs. John Smoltz Wed: Pedro Martinez vs. Tim Hudson Thu: Orlando Hernandez vs. Kyle Davies at Washington Fri: Steve Trachsel vs. Tony Armas Jr. Sat: Tom Glavine vs. Beltran Perez Sun: John Maine vs. Ramon Ortiz

metirish Sep 22 2006 08:58 AM

Klapisch has a thought..... ] If the manager sticks to his plan to make Pedro his Game 1 starter in the Division Series, that leaves just one more regular-season appearance to address all the problems. Martinez talks about slowly building up his stamina next Wednesday against the Braves: "I still have time," he said. But there is an alternative, albeit a politically expensive one: give Pedro two more starts (next Tuesday against the Braves and the regular-season finale against the Nationals) and push him back to the Game 3 start in NLDS. Would Randolph make such a dramatic move? Not without Pedro's input, obviously. The Mets' 2006 self-image is founded upon Martinez as their leader, especially in the playoffs. But no one could ignore the radar gun readings in the fifth inning, when Pedro's fastball was down to 82 mph.

Yancy Street Gang Sep 22 2006 09:10 AM

I was thinking similar thoughts. It wouldn't be bad at all to have Glavine and Hernandez in Games 1 and 2.

Frayed Knot Sep 22 2006 10:31 AM

This is why I wasn't real big on the idea of 'covering Pedro in bubble-wrap and sitting him until mid-September'. There are limits obviously but pitchers need to pitch and it's tough to just turn it on in a 2 week stint.

Yancy Street Gang Sep 22 2006 10:33 AM

I thought they'd try to get him four starts. It would have been 33% better than getting him three.

metirish Sep 26 2006 08:58 AM

Pedro may not start game 1. ] “No, he might need more time to be pushed back,” Randolph said. “I mean, I said to you guys initially he might go Game 1. You always ask me that, and I always say, ‘O.K.’ But that’s always subject to change. So, what I’m saying to you is that depending on how he comes out of his start, who knows? He might need to be pushed back or whatever. And that’s just all hypothetical stuff.”

Yancy Street Gang Sep 26 2006 09:01 AM

I don't really have a strong preference for who starts Game 1. I'd be equally okay with Pedro, Hernandez, or Glavine.

metirish Sep 26 2006 09:41 PM

Gary is saying that regardless how Pedro pitches tomorrow night if he says he feels fine after the game then he'll pitch game one....so says Willie....I dunno but who's calling the shots here?

Yancy Street Gang Sep 26 2006 10:07 PM

Why aren't we all indignant about the blatant lie that Willie told about how Pedro would be his starter no matter what? I can't remember the explanation, but it has something to do with pajamas.

metirish Sep 28 2006 09:01 AM

] BY ADAM RUBIN DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER ATLANTA - Steve Trachsel will be included on the division series roster - a decision reached even before Pedro Martinez's ill-fated start last night. The 15-game winner hasn't been guaranteed a start in the NLDS. But if Martinez is unavailable for the opening round - which now seems a fair assumption - Trachsel would appear the likely Game 3 starter, behind Orlando Hernandez and Tom Glavine. Minus Martinez, John Maine likely would emerge as the fourth starter - though whether the Mets open the playoffs on Tuesday or Wednesday, and whether the Mets are leading or trailing in the series, will factor into whether he's used. Regardless, Maine has a strong chance to make the roster in relief.

Yancy Street Gang Sep 28 2006 04:40 PM

So what's the pitching rotation look like for the closing series in Washington? I'm thinking it'll be Maine, Glavine, Trachsel. That would leave Hernandez and Glavine on track to start the first two games of the NLDS. Trachsel would have the appropriate rest for a Game 3 start on Friday of next week.

Gwreck Sep 28 2006 04:59 PM

Yancy Street Gang wrote: So what's the pitching rotation look like for the closing series in Washington? I'm thinking it'll be Maine, Glavine, Trachsel. That would leave Hernandez and Glavine on track to start the first two games of the NLDS. Trachsel would have the appropriate rest for a Game 3 start on Friday of next week. Exactly. Except Game 3 is on Saturday, not Friday.

metirish Sep 28 2006 07:02 PM

It;s confirmed....El Duque in game 1 anf Glavine in game 2,Pedro back in NY with team Doctors.

Elster88 Sep 28 2006 07:53 PM

I bashed the hell out of the Benson/Julio deal. And now I'm praying for El Duque to be a stud in the postseason. If he pitches studly I'm going to give Omar a big sloppy kiss.

Yancy Street Gang Sep 28 2006 08:06 PM

And John Maine may be the fourth starter in the playoffs. That Benson deal may have netted the Mets half of their postseason rotation.

Elster88 Sep 28 2006 09:24 PM

Of course if the Mets had their heads on straight they never would've given up Ty Wigginton for Benson. I hope I don't need to post my SC that accompanies this statement.

metirish Sep 28 2006 10:42 PM

So does Trax move into the 3rd spot?

Yancy Street Gang Sep 28 2006 10:43 PM

I would assume so.

Gwreck Sep 30 2006 09:38 PM

National League Division Series Game 1: (Wed) Orlando Hernandez vs. Derek Lowe or Jake Peavy Game 2: (Thu) Tom Glavine vs. Greg Maddux or Chris Young Game 3: (Sat) Steve Trachsel vs. Hong-Chih Kuo or Woody Williams

metirish Sep 30 2006 09:39 PM

Glavine V Maddux....very cool.

Yancy Street Gang Oct 01 2006 07:37 AM

And the Braves at home watching.

Valadius Oct 01 2006 11:02 AM

Have Glavine and Maddux faced each other since they went their separate ways?

Gwreck Oct 01 2006 11:08 AM

Yes, once. Mets vs. Braves, May 30, 2003. Maddux won. [url=http://www.ultimatemets.com/gamedetail.php?gameno=6629]UMDB Link[/url]

HahnSolo Oct 01 2006 11:13 AM

Anybody hear anything about Trax's trip home? I know "personal reasons" is the stated reason...but is there concern that he might not make a start?

Yancy Street Gang Oct 01 2006 11:16 AM

I'd be equally okay with Maine starting Game 3 as with Trachsel.

Johnny Dickshot Oct 01 2006 11:22 AM

HahnSolo wrote: Anybody hear anything about Trax's trip home? I know "personal reasons" is the stated reason...but is there concern that he might not make a start? No idea. I just hope it ends with a photo of the mysterious Sarah Traschel getting published.

Frayed Knot Oct 01 2006 12:12 PM

And, if nothing else, Trax is already in the part of the country (SoCal) where games 3 & 4 are to be played.

Yancy Street Gang Oct 08 2006 12:37 AM

Okay, for the NLCS, I'd go Glavine in Game 1, Trachsel in Game 2 (he'd be on his usual four days rest, which he seems to need) and Maine in Game 3. Unless the Mets lose the first three, I'd let Perez pitch Game 4, gnashing my teeth the entire time. (I'd much rather they gave his roster spot to Bannister or Williams, but I don't see that happening.) The danger there is that if the Mets win in seven games, you're looking at Perez in World Series Game 1 and 5. A win in six games and you could at least open with Maine. Perez would be the Games 2 and 6 guy, but by Game 6 you could possibly pitch Glavine on three days rest in Game 6 and Maine on three in Game 7.

soupcan Oct 11 2006 09:42 PM

HahnSolo wrote: Anybody hear anything about Trax's trip home? I know "personal reasons" is the stated reason...but is there concern that he might not make a start? I got the dope on Trax's absence at the end of the regular season. His wifey served him with divorce papers and he totally freaked out and had to fly out to the west coast to see her/deal with it.

Johnny Dickshot Oct 11 2006 09:45 PM

]I got the dope on Trax's absence at the end of the regular season. His wifey served him with divorce papers and he totally freaked out and had to fly out to the west coast to see her/deal with it . More more more. And put it in the neglected Wifey Watch thread! (where there's a Snooze story where she denies).

soupcan Oct 11 2006 09:55 PM

I don't have much more except that he had no idea it was coming and left because he was caught completely by surprise. How much would that suck? I got something else on someone else but don't want to post it lest Metly opponents get hold of it. (Psst. Meet me behind the loge section, I'll be the lonely guy with the beer...)