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BONDS WATCH - 714 and 715

Zvon May 16 2006 11:17 PM

I looked for a similar thread and couldnt find one. If there is one somewhere please redirect this Admins. What motivated me to start it was this deal where Bonds was hit by a pitch tonight. The opposing pitcher was tossed with no warning (as far as I know). WTF? Ill have to see this again on Sportcenter or Baseball 2night, cuz i dont understand why this pitcher was tossed. What?-Are you not allowed to make mistakes? or pitch inside? No warning? Is this because it was Bonds at bat?

Nymr83 May 16 2006 11:20 PM

obviously you aren't allowed to pitch inside to Bonds, you might dent his bullshit body armor.

Gwreck May 16 2006 11:22 PM Re: BONDS WATCH - 714 and 715

Zvon wrote: What motivated me to start it was this deal where Bonds was hit by a pitch tonight. The opposing pitcher was tossed with no warning (as far as I know). WTF? Ill have to see this again on Sportcenter or Baseball 2night, cuz i dont understand why this pitcher was tossed. What?-Are you not allowed to make mistakes? or pitch inside? No warning? Is this because it was Bonds at bat? He was warned. First pitch of the at-bat was behind Bonds' back. Every subsequent pitch was inside, with the lone strike because it hit the bat.

Gwreck May 16 2006 11:24 PM

ESPN sez: ]The wild confrontation began when Bonds led off the fifth inning. Springer's first pitch sailed behind Bonds' back, drawing a warning from plate umpire Joe West. The next four pitches all came inside, including one that hit Bonds' bat handle on the third delivery for strike one. On the fifth pitch, Springer plunked Bonds in the right shoulder as he turned to protect himself. That's when Springer and manager Phil Garner got ejected -- and the Houston crowd of 35,286 gave Springer a standing ovation. The pitcher, who had allowed one homer to Bonds previously, could be fined or suspended.

Frayed Knot May 16 2006 11:26 PM

"The opposing pitcher was tossed with no warning (as far as I know)." No, the pitcher (Russ Springer) had been warned. He threw behind him once (hence the warning) and then inside about 4 more times (including one that hit his bat) before plunking him and promptly getting tossed; Garner too. "Ill have to see this again on Sportcenter or Baseball 2night" I think they'll show it since ESPN has now become BarryTV: 'All Barry, all the time'

Zvon May 16 2006 11:27 PM Re: BONDS WATCH - 714 and 715

Gwreck wrote: ="Zvon"]What motivated me to start it was this deal where Bonds was hit by a pitch tonight. The opposing pitcher was tossed with no warning (as far as I know). WTF? Ill have to see this again on Sportcenter or Baseball 2night, cuz i dont understand why this pitcher was tossed. What?-Are you not allowed to make mistakes? or pitch inside? No warning? Is this because it was Bonds at bat? He was warned. First pitch of the at-bat was behind Bonds' back. Every subsequent pitch was inside, with the lone strike because it hit the bat. He was warned for an errant pitch? Was there any reason why the pitcher was trying to hit Bonds? I know SF had a huge lead....... I guess itll all become apparent before the nights out. Anyways, when Bonds FINALLY gets his homers, post it here.

Zvon May 16 2006 11:29 PM

Gwreck wrote: ESPN sez: ]The wild confrontation began when Bonds led off the fifth inning. Springer's first pitch sailed behind Bonds' back, drawing a warning from plate umpire Joe West. The next four pitches all came inside, including one that hit Bonds' bat handle on the third delivery for strike one. On the fifth pitch, Springer plunked Bonds in the right shoulder as he turned to protect himself. That's when Springer and manager Phil Garner got ejected -- and the Houston crowd of 35,286 gave Springer a standing ovation. The pitcher, who had allowed one homer to Bonds previously, could be fined or suspended. thnx for these updates. Thats some crazy stuff.

GYC May 16 2006 11:30 PM Re: BONDS WATCH - 714 and 715

Zvon wrote: ="Gwreck"] Zvon wrote: What motivated me to start it was this deal where Bonds was hit by a pitch tonight. The opposing pitcher was tossed with no warning (as far as I know). WTF? Ill have to see this again on Sportcenter or Baseball 2night, cuz i dont understand why this pitcher was tossed. What?-Are you not allowed to make mistakes? or pitch inside? No warning? Is this because it was Bonds at bat? He was warned. First pitch of the at-bat was behind Bonds' back. Every subsequent pitch was inside, with the lone strike because it hit the bat. He was warned for an errant pitch? Was there any reason why the pitcher was trying to hit Bonds? I know SF had a huge lead....... I guess itll all become apparent before the nights out. Anyways, when Bonds FINALLY gets his homers, post it here. He threw 5 consecutive pitches that nearly hit Barry. If it wasn't intentional, Springer doesn't deserve to be a professional pitcher.

Zvon May 16 2006 11:31 PM Re: BONDS WATCH - 714 and 715

GYC wrote: He threw 5 consecutive pitches that nearly hit Barry. If it wasn't intentional, Springer doesn't deserve to be a professional pitcher. If it was that leaves me thinking the same thing.

Zvon May 17 2006 12:15 AM

Okay--Baseball 2night says theres a bit a historical bad blood between Springer (the pitcher) and Bonds. This Springer guy has a long memory.

DocTee May 17 2006 12:26 AM

iIve always said that rather than intentionally walking him they should throw at him!

Rockin' Doc May 17 2006 12:38 AM

Springer apparently subscribes to your philosophy. Unfortunately, his control isn't too good so it actually took him 5 throws to plunk Bonds.

Spacemans Bong May 17 2006 12:58 AM

Nymr83 wrote: obviously you aren't allowed to pitch inside to Bonds, you might dent his bullshit body armor. Watch the whole at-bat before you put your foot in your mouth.

Zvon May 17 2006 01:10 AM

how ya been Bong? Yea, your a big Bonds fan. After watching the at bat and getting the facts, i have to say, if Spinger was throwin at Bonds because of that homer he hit way back,...or even because he had two hits in the game today, the guys a bigger asshole than Bonds. And if manager Garner ordered that, he should face some kind of penalty too.

TheOldMole May 17 2006 01:46 AM

Are we sure it wasn't Jerry Springer?

Bret Sabermetric May 17 2006 07:03 AM

Why is Springer such a popular name for mediocre pitchers? I can think of three or four off-hand.

Gwreck May 17 2006 07:39 AM

Bret Sabermetric wrote: Why is Springer such a popular name for mediocre pitchers? I can think of three or four off-hand. You're probably throwing Steve Springer (former Met, not a pitcher) and Dennis Springer (former Met, pitcher) together in your memory.

Edgy DC May 17 2006 07:56 AM

You can never get a Springer to back down. The rules (which allow for ejection) and the unwritten rules (which allow for retaliation) both consider endangering batters with pitching that is reckless or plain imcompetently wild to be actionable offenses. You don't have to be intentional. Reckless endangerment is enough. See the Piazza beaning last year, as the St. Louis pitcher kept pleading that the pitch got away from him, and LaRussa's attitude was that if he couldn't keep pitches out of the batter's ear, he had no place on the mound.

Bret Sabermetric May 17 2006 08:21 AM

Batters have an absolute responsiblity to protect their ears by bailing out. Pitchers have an absolute responsiblilty to discourage batters from leaning over the outside corner of the plate. You don't have that, you don't have baseball. You have fungo.

Elster88 May 17 2006 08:47 AM Re: BONDS WATCH - 714 and 715

Oh.

Nymr83 May 17 2006 11:06 AM

Spacemans Bong wrote: ="Nymr83"]obviously you aren't allowed to pitch inside to Bonds, you might dent his bullshit body armor. Watch the whole at-bat before you put your foot in your mouth. i was responding to the initial poster who declared there was no warning, don't blame me for someone else's incorrect facts dickhead.

sharpie May 17 2006 11:08 AM

Apparently the 2 previous times Bonds had faced Springer he had been hit. The time before that he hit a homer. Springer never forgives.

Nymr83 May 17 2006 11:09 AM

Bret is right about that, the umps pull the ejection card way too early causing pitchers to feel like they arent allowed to pitch inside. if a pitcher throws inside and it hits the batter just take your base and shut your mouth, barring a clemens/benitez throw that is clearly intentional the umps shouldnt even warn anyone.

Zvon May 20 2006 04:34 PM

714 vs Oakland

KC May 20 2006 04:39 PM

I don't wish pain on Barry, but I was kinda hoping he wouldn't make it with all the hobblin' around and would have to quit one HR short.

Zvon May 28 2006 05:56 PM

715!

Nymr83 May 28 2006 08:02 PM

a sad day for baseball.

OlerudOwned May 28 2006 08:30 PM

I'd take this as good news because it means ESPN will stop with the f***ing constant Bonds watch, but in my heart I know they won't. He still has 40 to go before Aaron, and I guess that means every AB he takes from now until then (or, hopefully, his retirement beforehand) will be treated like HISTORY IN THE MAKING! Ugh.

ScarletKnight41 May 28 2006 08:32 PM

Plus the hype will have died down before the Mets go out there this weekend.

DocTee May 28 2006 09:42 PM

Actually, the series is at Shea this weekend.

Frayed Knot May 28 2006 09:45 PM

Actually the Gints are coming here (we've been out there already). Not that Barry going for #715 in NYC would have caused anything resembling a media circus. I was actually hoping he'd do it on the road to the deafening applause of dozens. BB2N only devoted about 1/3 of their show tonight to this HR while ignoring the results and/or highlights of 6 or 7 other games - including our contest. Look, it's news whether we want it to be or not and it deserves some coverage ... but they've turned that show and the whole network into the 'All-Barry' channel.

DocTee May 28 2006 09:53 PM

]they've turned that show and the whole network into the 'All-Barry' channel. But they have cancelled the insipid "BONDS ON BONDS"

ScarletKnight41 May 28 2006 10:12 PM

DocTee wrote: Actually, the series is at Shea this weekend. D'Oh! That's right. Then they're off to LA, Arizona and Philly.

Elster88 May 28 2006 11:47 PM

Seriously though, a thread on Bonds?

Willets Point May 29 2006 12:47 AM

They're a fairly conservative investment. But here's my beef ... you loan the government some cash ... they pay you back with interest ... then they tax you on the interest of the money they paid you back that you lent them. What's the deal with that. Oh, wait this is the BARRY Bonds thread.

cooby May 29 2006 09:13 AM

Well, not if you use the money for college tuition (not books, room and board, food service) Always consult your financial advisor for... oh wait, BARRY Bonds.....

Elster88 May 29 2006 03:32 PM

About 9 hours late cooby ;-)

Zvon May 29 2006 11:56 PM

I like the way the guy that got the ball wasnt even watching the action - was on line gettin a hot dog for his gal. Bonds is gonna get so boooooed in NY its gonna be something to hear. Man, the Post trashed him-

DocTee May 29 2006 11:58 PM

A quick read of the headline: "El Duque Bags Marlins" raised my eyebrows.

Willets Point May 31 2006 11:20 AM Re: BONDS WATCH - 714 and 715

Zvon wrote: What motivated me to start it was this deal where Bonds was hit by a pitch tonight. The opposing pitcher was tossed with no warning (as far as I know). WTF? Ill have to see this again on Sportcenter or Baseball 2night, cuz i dont understand why this pitcher was tossed. What?-Are you not allowed to make mistakes? or pitch inside? No warning? Is this because it was Bonds at bat? Springer fined

Vic Sage May 31 2006 12:53 PM a minority view

i'm not incensed by Bonds, unlike most of youse, the media, congress and Jeff Kent. here are some random thoughts related to why it just doesn't bother me that much: - he was a multiple MVP and the best player in baseball BEFORE he bulked up. Its not like he was a mild mannered reporter from a great metropolitan newspaper who suddenly stepped out of a phone booth with a cape and a big red "B" on his chest, nor was he a guy whose whole career was predicated on steroids; - He didn't necessarily "cheat", since none of the substances he's accused of taking were against the rules of baseball at the time he's accused of taking them; - To the extent he did cheat, so did Gaylord Perry, who became a folk hero and a HOFer for doing so, and other HOFers who stole signs, faked catches that were trapped, stepped into HBPs, used corked bats, or whatever. We call those guys "competitive", with a wink and smile; - To the extent he has taken illegal drugs, so has every ballplayer eating a fistful of greenies before every game, and nobody has cared about that. Ruth drank during Prohibition and became a national treasure. - As illegal drugs go, i find the taking of peformance-ENHANCING drugs less reprehensible than use of performance-REDUCING drugs, which prevent players from living up to their obligations to owners, teammates and fans to play as well as they can. Why should I get outraged that Bonds has passed the #2 career HR hitter... a guy who probably cost himself years off his career from being a carousing, gluttonous drunk during the Prohibition era? Because the Babe was a national hero and Bonds a national disgrace? - That Bonds is an asshole seems clear, from a distance. But i think the media uses that, and his lack of appropriate shame, to villify him out of all proportion. - Ruth is the greatest player of all time. Until somebody puts up comparable numbers as a hitter AND a pitcher, i don't think its a subject up for serious debate. Nobody thinks Aaron is the greatest player of all time. He happens to hold a particular record. Its not Ruth's record, and it hasn't been his record for over 30 years. Bonds passing Ruth on the "Career HR" list does not diminish Ruth's greatness, and it is not a record-breaking accomplishment, so all this fuss seems artificially induced to continue fanning "the steroids outrage" phenomenon. - the "purity of statistics" is bullshit. there are factors in every era that skew the numbers, one way or another. The fact that Ruth, etal, put up his numbers in an era that prevented blacks from competing with him doesn't mean he should have an *asterisk; it simply puts his era into context, like the "dead ball era", the pitching era of the 60s, etc. So this will be the "steroids era" and statisticians will adjust accordingly.

Centerfield Jun 01 2006 11:33 AM

That was a great post Vic. I wish I could have summarized my thoughts so succinctly. The only thing I would add is that it is unbelievable the extent Bonds is vilified while others, who have a much stronger link to steroids (Caminiti, Canseco, Palmeiro, Giambi, Sheffield) are given much less blame in comparison. It is shameful that the Post would refer to Bonds as the "Shambino" while glorifying Giambi and Shef.