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MFS62 May 22 2006 11:41 AM

I've heard several announcers (ex-ballplayers) say,"The pitch they throw you on a 2-2 count is the same pitch you'll see on 3-2". Since I first heard that and started paying attention to it, it seems to me that it is true about 90% of the time. Are there any others you've heard that seem to be true? Later

Centerfield May 22 2006 11:47 AM

Momentum is the next day's starting pitcher.

metirish May 22 2006 11:49 AM

Yeah, you don't bring in your closer in non-save situations...seems to be true to me.

Johnny Dickshot May 22 2006 11:49 AM

Bunting is for losers. Wait, that's not a truism. That's a falseism that happens to be true.

metirish May 22 2006 12:00 PM

If you are going to attempt to steal third with 2 outs you fucking better make it....apparantly the punishment for failing to make it is rather cruel.

MFS62 May 22 2006 12:03 PM

metirish wrote: If you are going to attempt to steal third with 2 outs you fucking better make it....apparantly the punishment for failing to make it is rather cruel. Irish, I beleive that is a corollary of the famous admonition: "don't make the first out or the third out of an inning at third base". Later

DocTee May 22 2006 12:16 PM

A pop foul behind third is the shortstop's play.

HahnSolo May 22 2006 12:28 PM

When a pitcher drives in a run, the announcers are contractually obligated to say that he "helped his own cause."

Rotblatt May 22 2006 12:28 PM

"Derek Jeter's spit cures cancer." McCarver's been right all along. Who knew?

SteveJRogers May 22 2006 12:45 PM

Ever notice how it never fails that the guy that makes the gem of a defensive play leads off the next inning? If you walk the leadoff guy he will ALWAYS endup scoring You really have to wonder why ANYONE pitches to (insert whatever hot slugger is on a very hot stretch)

Nymr83 May 22 2006 01:16 PM

="SteveJRogers"] If you walk the leadoff guy he will ALWAYS endup scoring i've heard before that he is more likely to score than a leadoff single is, but i'm not sure where i heard it so don't take this as fact or anything.

Frayed Knot May 22 2006 01:55 PM

The fact that I've never seen/heard any stats that'll back the notion that a leadoff walk will score more often than a leadoff single leads me to believe that it's NOT actually true just something that people say because either they think it is or want it to be. I'd like to see some data on the topic and somebody's gotta have those stats around.

Nymr83 May 22 2006 02:01 PM

i'm sure someone has the stats but i'm not really sure where to look so i just mentioned it for anyone else who cares to check it out. like i said, don't take this to be fact until someone finds the stats.

Centerfield May 22 2006 02:13 PM

http://www.retrosheet.org/newslt18.htm#GetOn

SteveJRogers May 22 2006 02:34 PM

Good pitching always beats good hitting Pitching and defense wins championships

old original jb May 22 2006 04:45 PM

YNAGAYTYAWYW, YNABAYTYAWYL I think Bret Sabermetric used to say this, before he jumped the shark, so to speak (i.e. before so many years of rooting for the Mets made him lose his mind entirely.) Or maybe it was some other sage.

SteveJRogers May 22 2006 04:50 PM

old original jb wrote: YNAGAYTYAWYW, YNABAYTYAWYL I think Bret Sabermetric used to say this, before he jumped the shark, so to speak (i.e. before so many years of rooting for the Mets made him lose his mind entirely.) Or maybe it was some other sage. Uh, what?

Frayed Knot May 22 2006 04:53 PM

COOL! (from CF's link) [u:fc9c667f27]All Runners[/u:fc9c667f27] Single - 27.8% Walk - 25.5% HBP - 28.0% Errors (to 1b) - 28.4% Force out/FC - 20.7 (makes sense that it's lower since now there's an extra out) Total - 26.6% [u:fc9c667f27]Leadoff Batters[/u:fc9c667f27] Single - 40.3% Walk - 40.8% HBP - 40.4% Errors (to 1b) - 42.6% Total - 40.5% I always suspected there was little or no difference between how a runner got on vs his odds of scoring; there's just no logical reason why there'd be anything other than a random difference. Of course that doesn't stop generation of broadcasters from saying otherwise.

soupcan May 22 2006 04:57 PM

="SteveJRogers"] ="old original jb"]YNAGAYTYAWYW, YNABAYTYAWYL I think Bret Sabermetric used to say this, before he jumped the shark, so to speak (i.e. before so many years of rooting for the Mets made him lose his mind entirely.) Or maybe it was some other sage. Uh, what? You're Never As Good As You Think You Are When You're Winning, You're Never As Bad As You Think You Are When You're Losing

Bret Sabermetric May 22 2006 05:56 PM

Frayed Knot wrote: that doesn't stop generation of broadcasters from saying otherwise. So now the truism "Oh, those bases on balls!" can be countered by its own abbreviation: "Oh...balls!"