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SteveJRogers May 22 2006 03:02 PM

Got a funny one from Warner Wolf on Saturdays 8-10 AM on 1050 ESPN Radio Pretty much making a case that Anna Benson was no way the reason for trading Kris Benson and pretty much putting the trade on Kazmir for Zambrano level because Benson has been "winning" in Baltimore. And if the Anna liability WAS the reason then it was the dumbest reason to pull the trigger on a trade in the history of sports! Gee Warner, have you been paying attention at ALL? Anna really was a liability the way she carried herself, her apperances on sleazy radio shows and magazines, ect. It might not have been the only reason, or even the majority reason (money due to Benson for rather mediocre pitching, ect) and a strong case can be made that they SHOULD have gotten a little more than Julio and Maine, but Anna's antics was very much a factor in why Kris got a wife and kids in Baltimore Jack!

Centerfield May 22 2006 03:51 PM

I thought the broadcasting from this weekend's national teams left a lot to be desired. A couple of examples.... Saturday: Joe and Tim were talking about salaries and why people always say the Yankees have "the best team money can buy" but not the Mets. Timmy Mac points out that the Mets have brought in some high profile free agents and traded for big contracts. Hey dumbfucks, the reason they say that about the Yankees and not the Mets is because the Yankees have roughly double the payroll. Idiots. McCarver regarding Enter Sandman: "How can he do that? Rivera had it first! That's a form of plagiarism!" No Timmy. It's not plagiarism. Any idiot knows that. And Billy had it first. Fact-checking guys. Come on. McCarver regarding Wagner: "He needs to throw it to Castro's body, not his glove." Um. Wtf are you talking about Tim? Sunday: Joe Morgan thought Reyes was out at second on Cano's tag. Then they showed the replay again, with Morgan still saying Reyes was out. And then they showed it from another angle, showing clearly that Reyes was safe as Cano missed the tag, leading Morgan to say something along the lines of "Well, it's hard to tell from the replay." And then, as if the cameraman was thinking to himself, "No you dumbshit, look at it again.", they kept showing the replay. Finally Miller came in with the "We're looking at it in slow-motion" disclaimer, but it did little to help the credibility of his partner. Joe Morgan talked about how Jeter was not fooled by Glavine's pitch despite grounding into a double play. As if to challenge the nitwit again, ESPN decides to do a pitch by pitch...the last of which shows Jeter, clearly out in front, lunging for the ball and grounding it weakly to shortstop for the 6-4-3. Morgan doesn't budge, still insisting that Jeter wasn't fooled and Glavine simply "made a good pitch". Jon Miller, on a number of occasions, nearly jumped out of his shoes on routine plays. I thought he was going to blow his top on a routine one-bouncer to Reyes. "LINED TO SHORT!!!! SNARED BY REYES ON A HOP!!!! TO FIRST....OUT!!!!! WOW WAS THERE SOME SPIN ON THAT BALL!!!!!" Meanwhile, they say almost nothing about Nady's decision to throw to third holding Damon at second. It was the type of play that can be a game-saver, but hardly anything was mentioned about it. Morgan also implied that if Matsui was a more experienced second-baseman, he could have turned the DP on Saturday to end the game. I've been over every play in that inning a million times, especially that one. There was nothing Reyes or Matsui could have done to get the out. There were no hesitations, double-clutches, nothing you can second-guess. I have no idea how Morgan can just throw that out there and not justify his position.

Willets Point May 22 2006 04:00 PM

]Um. Wtf are you talking about Tim? I think they should hire someone to work with McCarver who just says that over and over again.

Centerfield May 22 2006 04:04 PM

That's plagiarism! Um, yeah, maybe do a little research next time...

Vic Sage May 22 2006 04:19 PM

i loved the part toward the end of the game, where Morgan was announcing what Wagner was going to throw next and was wrong EVERY SINGLE TIME! I also loved Jon Miller's line, regarding a hitter (i forget which one) and his career track record against a particular pitcher (i forget which one), in which the erudite Mr. Miller said: "they have some history in the past." Yes, i bet they do, Jon. As do we all.

Nymr83 May 22 2006 04:28 PM

]Morgan also implied that if Matsui was a more experienced second-baseman, he could have turned the DP on Saturday to end the game. I've been over every play in that inning a million times, especially that one. There was nothing Reyes or Matsui could have done to get the out. There were no hesitations, double-clutches, nothing you can second-guess. I have no idea how Morgan can just throw that out there and not justify his position. Morgan is an idiot and should long ago have been fired but A) he's a former all-star and B) he's black and likes to talk about how he's black and loved playing for a black manager, etc. so he won't get fired. as for the play i quoted above there was no way to turn a DP there, but i thought Reyes might have been better off throwing home.

SteveJRogers May 22 2006 04:36 PM

Willets Point wrote: ]Um. Wtf are you talking about Tim? I think they should hire someone to work with McCarver who just says that over and over again. Yeah, thats probably worse than not knowing Anna was absolutly a factor in the Benson trade. That I can see as an offseason memory, I mean it was ALL OVER the media that Anna was clearly a factor but it was months ago. The Sandman stuff was back in April, much, much more recent. Not as bad as Chris Berman, but it was bad. Berman during the 1999 NLDS was talking up Timo Perez as being a good spark for the Mets run to get into the playoffs which is fine, except he refered to Timo as if he was a young prospect who had been going through the Mets organizational ranks rather than a well traveled usefull (at the time) player!

Frayed Knot May 22 2006 04:41 PM

]I mean it was ALL OVER the media that Anna was clearly a factor but it was months ago. Let's be fair here; SPECULATION is/was all over the media that Anna was the major factor in the deal. Warner's merely stating an opinion on why the deal was made and how it's turning out. It's not like he's mis-stating known facts in this case.

Edgy DC May 22 2006 05:23 PM

Yeah, I was going to say that about the Benson deal. And he likely knows it's all over the media. He's taking a contrary angle. A journalistic flanking maneuver ]Hey dumbfucks, the reason they say that about the Yankees and not the Mets is because the Yankees have roughly double the payroll. Idiots. Then they go and report the numbers on the screen --- $197 million to $100 million --- and he doesn't move off his stance. ]McCarver regarding Enter Sandman: "How can he do that? Rivera had it first! That's a form of plagiarism!" No Timmy. It's not plagiarism. Any idiot knows that. And Billy had it first. Fact-checking guys. Come on. Each of these foot-in-mouth things just kills a month of fine memories I have learning from McCarver things about baseball I never suspected. ]McCarver regarding Wagner: "He needs to throw it to Castro's body, not his glove." Um. Wtf are you talking about Tim? He might be able to answer that. Instead, he carries on: "Now, Castro's going out to the mound, and what he's saying here is, "Hey, Billy, throw it to my body, not my glove. That's all you need to do." Now, I'm sure he can, as a former catcher, explain what he means by gettng a pitcher to refocus that way, but he kept saying it as if he just liked the sound of it. My natural response is, "Then why does the catcher set a target at all. Hang the glove between your knees until the release if you don't want the pitcher throwing to it." Two shots of pro-Yankee blindness and a chaser of prattling. That's not the McCarver I used to know.

Bret Sabermetric May 22 2006 06:06 PM

Edgy DC wrote: ]McCarver regarding Wagner: "He needs to throw it to Castro's body, not his glove." Um. Wtf are you talking about Tim? He might be able to answer that. Instead, he carries on: "Now, Castro's going out to the mound, and what he's saying here is, "Hey, Billy, throw it to my body, not my glove. That's all you need to do." Now, I'm sure he can, as a former catcher, explain what he means by gettng a pitcher to refocus that way, but he kept saying it as if he just liked the sound of it. My natural response is, "Then why does the catcher set a target at all. Hang the glove between your knees until the release if you don't want the pitcher throwing to it." Two shots of pro-Yankee blindness and a chaser of prattling. That's not the McCarver I used to know. To be fair (not necessarily a desirable goal now that McC's no longer a NYM announcer), you get him coming and going on this: First place, he DID explain what it meant (aim for the general area and don't fine-tune too much) on Saturday, and second, he catchs a lot of flak for OVER-explaining his pet ideas that he's already explained on a previous broadcast. Now, you might say that you don't want him to repeat stuff from week to week, but that's like saying you don't like his schtik. It may be true, but that's a ridiculous standard to apply to McC and no one else.

Centerfield May 28 2006 05:33 PM

Before I forget, Piniella was not only an awful broadcaster, he revealed such flawed strategy it's hard to believe he was a big league manager. I remember the M's wanted a pretty significant compensation package for him. I'm glad they decided not to give it to them.

Frayed Knot May 28 2006 09:37 PM

Lou was def out of his element. He doesn't really express himself too well (although some AL umpires might disagree with that) and doesn't appear to know the players well enough to add much. I don't remember him being this bad when he filled-in during some post-season telecasts a year or two ago. Also, congrats to CF for actually spelling Piniella's name correctly. Posts in our IGT left that second 'i' out every time, which isn't so bad - a common occurance actually - especially when the FOX graphic listing the announcers you were listening to did the exact same thing! They corrected it later in the game but I got a kick out of their first attempt.

DocTee May 28 2006 09:47 PM

I actually like Joe Morgan--and I find McCarver entertaining, too. I also enjoy the Polish prince, Mike Krukow. Is that enough to get me permanently banned?? But here are a pair of sites that you haters might enjoy: www.shutuptimmccarver.com www.firejoemorgan.blogspot.com

DocTee May 28 2006 09:51 PM

from shutuptimmccarver.com (a compliment about Mike Piazza serving as analyst for last year's playoffs) "You don't stare at the T.V. like an Amish in a lightbulb factory after he comments on something related to the strategy of the game." Not sure if this goes in the quotes thread, former mets thread, humor thread, or broadcaster thread--

MFS62 May 29 2006 08:19 AM

="DocTee"] I also enjoy the Polish prince, Mike Krukow. Is that enough to get me permanently banned?? No, but the very mention of his name might get you shot by a superstituous Met fan. He was an otherwise mediocre major league pitcher with a hex over the Mets. It wasn't that he pitched well against them so much as they could never beat him. Even when they had the fukker down by four or five runs, it awways seemed his team would score enout to take him off the hook for the loss. And, what made it worse: He always had this "I just fukked your sister" smirk on his face that I always wanted to wipe off with a chain saw. Ralph Kiner loved him and would point him out in the announcing both after he retired. Now that you mentioned his name, the Mets will lose today. I will blame you. I will track you down. I will find you. I gotta' take my medication. Later