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Edgy DC
May 22 2006 09:56 PM
Edited 4 time(s), most recently on May 23 2006 08:46 AM

In a new feature here at the Crane Pool, I’ve resolved to talk to more of the guys who talk about the Mets — the bloggers who perhaps have no inside sources, little access, and no editors, but are convinced they have something to write beyond what the press corps is putting out, and an audience out there who wants to read it.

Our first exchange is with The Eddie Kranepool Society, the brand name of Steve Keane, a Brooklyn-native Met-lifer who claims to be the oldest regular Met blog-writer. I first had occasion to read him when discovering his disappointment at being beaten to the punch by the Crane Pool at sponsoring, at baseball-reference.com, the player that gives both sites their names.

If you watch your Mets with emotions running full-tap, perhaps screaming and cheering at the screen as your beer spills out onto a summer Sunday, the Ed Kranepool Society probably has a place for you. In fact, we finished up this conversation shortly after the Society returned from Shea on Saturday, presumably having witnessed the coughing up a four-run lead in the ninth flipping into an 11th-inning loss. I’ll admit that I was not a little relieved to hear from him. I wrapped up my conversation as quickly as I could, not having the heart to ask him about the game. I figure I’ll find that out his response in the blog.

And I guess that’s one reason blogs such as his exist. As distraught as one may get, one needs to find a reason to go on, and for some bloggers, that reason may be “Must… file… daily… post.”




What year did you get on board with the Mets? Who is your favorite player?

My first taste of Mets baseball was back in 1964, when I attended my first game at the age of six. Shea was a brand-spanking new ballpark, and I got to see Bob Gibson beat the Mets.

I'm left-handed, so, as a kid, I played first base. I was also not fleet afoot, so my nickname was "Kranepool" after Steady Eddie, so he became my favorite Mets player. [Editor’s note; Duh!] I was also partial to Rusty Staub and, of course, "The Franchise," Tom Seaver.

You you go back then, and are shaped by your share of adversity. Is there any particular era or regime that best defines the nature of your relationship to the team?

I always got a big kick out of seeing Mrs. Payson at game. She looked like everyone's grandmother. I remember how there was always a buzz when the Dodgers and Giants came to town, especially when Sandy Koufax was pitching. Also back then the Mets were on TV everyday on Channel Nine, so there was always a constant with the Mets.

Was there an era where you got off the Mets hayride or pulled back, or is your fandom without interruption?

As much as my heart was broken by that filthy, no-good M. Donald Grant the night of June 15 ,1977, when he ran Tom Seaver out of town, I never have abandoned the Mets. Even today, as I watch Scott Kazmir become the "next big thing," I want to wrap my hands around Jeff Wilpon’s throat, because I feel he pushed that deal along with Bill Livsey and Al Goldis, but I still bleed orange and blue, and I always will.

You seem to wear your heart on your sleeve in your blog, with your initial reaction after a game or a transaction being emotional — see your semi-serious suggestion that Tim Tschida had money on the Brewers — and then introduce reason to your blog as you go further. Is that a fair — if perhaps overbroad — assessment?

That is very fair and that's why sometimes I wait till the next day to make a post. I am a very emotional person. I mean, I'm 47 years old, with kids —10 and 6 — who act more mature than I do. There are times when Willie Randolph makes a move or makes a non-move that drives me crazy and I scream and yell and want him sent back to the Bronx but then, when I look at the big picture with him as manager, I realize he may not be a great Xs-and-Os guy, but there is not a player on that team that wouldn't run thru a brick wall for him.

I have thrown my TV remote at the wall so many times its looks like Gerry Cheever’s goalie mask from back in the 70's.

I'll keep a safe distance then.

LOL. Yeah, I'm like a fire truck. Stay back 200 feet

What makes your blog different from the other Met blogs out there?

Well, I'm pretty sure I'm the oldest Mets blogger out there (I'll be 48-years-old in July) and I've seen this franchise at it highest points —1969, 1986, Dwight Gooden and Darryl Strawberry in '84 and '85 — and at it's lowest points — Seaver trade, the Lorinda de Roulet years in the late 70s. In 1979, the Mets home attendance was 788,905, and that's not counting the rats running through the upper deck. And also I write the way I talk, which is fluent Brooklyn-ese and not shy about profanity.

What other Mets blogs do read and/or enjoy?

I read Mets Blog, The Metropolitans, Faith and Fear in Flushing, Mets Geek, and Always Amazin' everyday.

Whose coverage from the Mets press corps do you appreciate the most?

Adam Rubin of the Daily News is very good with his game story and notebooks and now his blog. Ben Shpigel of the New York Times writes a great game story. David Lennon and Newsday have the most Mets stories of any New York paper.

So, you're a Brooklyn native. Are you still there, or are you one of Cyberspace's Met fans in exile?

I moved from Brooklyn to Staten Island 12 years ago, a move of approximately 10 miles from my where I lived in Bay Ridge to where I am in Staten Island now.

Do you still get out to the games much?

I try to get to at least one game a homestand, and tomorrow I'll be at Shea rooting for Pedro.

Which particular postings have gotten the best response from your readers?

My post on the day Scott Kazmir was traded got a lot of response. When I berated all the young Mets fans for not liking the Ebbets Field design of the new Mets ballpark. When I called the Queens politicians extortionists for their demands on the Mets. And my continuing campaign to rid the Mets of Kaz Matsui always gets a rise out my readers.

OK, some short answers for a long-time fan:
  • Black uniforms and hats?

    Should be burned in one big bonfire.


  • What should the new stadium be called?

    “Jackie Robinson Park” but I know it won't as the corporate blood suckers will see to that.


  • Beltran deal?

    Will be well worth it when all is said and done.


  • Attitude toward Mazzilli and other former Mets in the Bronx?

    I remember Mazzilli as a kid, when he played for Lincoln High School, and I couldn't stand him back then. Gooden, Straw, and Cone were banished from the Mets for their behavior, more than inability to play, so it never bothered me. But, if all three were asked, I bet they'd say they wished they never left the Mets.


  • Kevin McReynolds?

    A much better player than Mets fans give him credit for, but he is the poster boy for guys not able to handle NYC.
And a last long-answer question: your assessment of the 2006 Mets chances of success and any further thoughts for Met fans out there?

This Mets team is unlike the Art Howe Mets, or the Bud Harrelson Mets or the Jeff Torborg Mets. After Saturday’s just shocking loss, those Mets teams would have let that linger for weeks. This Mets team is resilient and that is a credit to Willie Randolph. I'm not crazy for Randolph as a strategist, but he has the respect of the guys in the clubhouse.

This team will go as far as the pitching will take them. The bullpen is strong, but, until we see what Soler can do it, may come down to putting Aaron Heilman back into the rotation. That will be the move of the year.



Everybody say Hi to Steve, from The Eddie Kranepool Society.

Zvon
May 22 2006 10:13 PM

This is a great new feature.

Youve already picked up one new reader Steve :) .

* Z clicks link and bookmarks

G-Fafif
May 23 2006 08:13 AM

Steve's into it and his blog shows it. Nice interview.

metirish
May 23 2006 08:18 AM

I agree with the guys, cool new feature and interview.

soupcan
May 23 2006 08:35 AM

Thanks for this Edgy. Much appreciated. Between this place, work and life I don't have a whole lot of time left to read all the blogs out there. This feature will work very nicely for me.

Rats in the upper deck in the late 70's. Ahh memories.

Johnny Dickshot
May 23 2006 09:07 AM

Fantastic. You shoulda offered him the bbr sponsorship for like, 200 million

Edgy DC
May 23 2006 09:13 AM

Met fans don't trade Ed Kranepool. Even to Met fans.

The bottom of Ed's page at baseball-reference.com:

Transactions
June 27, 1962: Signed by the New York Mets as an amateur free agent.

November 1, 1979:
Granted Free Agency.
Amazin'.

Willets Point
May 23 2006 09:15 AM

soupcan wrote:

Rats in the upper deck in the late 70's. Ahh memories.


Were they as big as dogs?

TheOldMole
May 23 2006 01:57 PM

Or the giant rat of Sumatra, a story for which the world is not yet prepared?

Elster88
May 24 2006 07:26 AM

]Kevin McReynolds?

A much better player than Mets fans give him credit for, but he is the poster boy for guys not able to handle NYC


Possibly the dumbest accusation, ever, of someone who is unable to handle NYC.

soupcan
May 24 2006 07:29 AM

Elster88 wrote:
]Kevin McReynolds?

A much better player than Mets fans give him credit for, but he is the poster boy for guys not able to handle NYC


Possibly the dumbest accusation, ever, of someone who is unable to handle NYC.


I gotta agree with Elstah. McReynolds may have been a hick whose numbers declined each year he was here but I don't recall him having 'difficulty' dealing with the New York thing.

Edgy DC
May 24 2006 07:44 AM

Hardly the dumbest accusation ever, though I think it's an argument that's hard to support.

For a passionate guy, he was uncharacteristically on the fence on the McReynolds "issue." I should have pressed him on it, but I wasn't prepared to follow up on the short-answer blurts, and I had set an artificial deadline for myself.

I did some light editing, and as I went over it, I thought that maybe he meant the poster-child thing merely as an observation of the attitude of others, not that he thought it justified.

He was better than Met fans give him credit for, but he couldn't handle New York? If he rose above people's perceptions, I'd guess he did OK, right? I dropped the ball here by not following up.

Elster88
May 24 2006 07:51 AM

Edgy DC wrote:
Hardly the dumbest accusation ever


Nope. Not "hardly the dumbest accusation ever". THE dumbest accusation ever of a player not being able to handle NYC.

In fact he's the exact opposite of what the blogger calls him in regards to ability to handle New York. He was a country boy who disliked the spotlight, interviews, etc....hated everything that went with playing baseball in New York. And he excelled in this environment he disliked. He ignored all that makes playing in New York different and went about his business.

So, calling McReynolds the "poster boy" for not being able to handle New York (when he actually is the "poster boy" for being able to handle an environment he didn't like) is, in fact, the dumbest accusation ever of a player not being able to handle NYC.

Edgy DC
May 24 2006 07:53 AM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 24 2006 08:01 AM

We've visited the McReynolds issue a lot, but the "can't handle New York," thing is hung on four nails, with different critics using different combinations

(1) He was criticized for passionless in the early days of New York sports radio. Big deal.

(2) When his alleged passionlessness, plus his girth, became the fodder for talk radio crap, his wife called in to complain that it was unfair, which the jackels spun into him hiding behind his wife.

(3) His interview before game seven of the Dodger Series in which he tried to project unflappability but phrased it in a way so as to suggest indifference.

(4) Anti-Southerner bias.

I think the bottom line is the stats in the career arc, which don't suggest at all that he (or Richie Hebner for that matter) couldn't "handle" New York, even if he didn't like it. He gave New York a near-MVP year.

Elster88
May 24 2006 07:55 AM

I usually interpret "unable to handle NYC" as "unable to perform on the field in NYC but able to perform in a less stressful place."

That's another reason why I call it the dumbest accusation because, as you say, McReynolds played well.

Edgy DC
May 24 2006 07:57 AM

]So, calling McReynolds the "poster boy" for not being able to handle New York (when he actually is the "poster boy" for being able to handle an environment he didn't like) is, in fact, the dumbest accusation ever of a player not being able to handle NYC.


Well, again, I'm not sure he meant that McReynolds was his personal poster boy or had become one due to the perception of others.

But, in this space alone, we've had insinuations that the Mets were hurt because McReynolds would've rather been having sex with sheep.

Elster88
May 24 2006 07:58 AM

Edgy DC wrote:
]So, calling McReynolds the "poster boy" for not being able to handle New York (when he actually is the "poster boy" for being able to handle an environment he didn't like) is, in fact, the dumbest accusation ever of a player not being able to handle NYC.


Well, again, I'm not sure he meant that McReynolds was his personal poster boy or had become one due to the perception of others.


Oh. If the latter is true but not the former, then I owe him an apology.

Edgy DC
May 24 2006 07:59 AM

Virtually all the self-fulfilling prophecies of "I boo you because you can't handle New York which I know because you don't like it when I boo you" are equally disappointing from where I sit.

soupcan
May 24 2006 07:59 AM

Edgy DC wrote:
...because McReynolds would've rather been having sex with sheep.


Well who wouldn't?

Bret Sabermetric
May 24 2006 08:11 AM

Edgy DC wrote:
Virtually all the self-fulfilling prophecies of "I boo you because you can't handle New York which I know because you don't like it when I boo you" are equally disappointing from where I sit.


Well, wipe yourself and stand up.

Coleman plays like a firecracker-flinging dog, he gets booed.

He complains about the booing.

He gets booed more.

He really starts bitching about the booing, to the point where people start saying "He can't handle NY."

You conclude that the second (and third and all subsequent) bouts of booing are the same as the first one, so you make this into a logic problem ("the booing preceded the accusation of being unable to handle to NY, so how could it be the result of such an inability") while I've shown how it could (and usually does) operate just fine in a logical universe.

Next?

Elster88
May 24 2006 08:30 AM

The reasons why Vince Coleman was booed and the reasons why most players get booed are completely different.

Using him as an example is not showing how booing "usually does operate just fine in a logical universe". So using Coleman as a representative case really doesn't address the issue of booing as a whole at all.

Next?

Bret Sabermetric
May 24 2006 08:32 AM

Substitute "Bonilla" then.

My point is that Edgy, with his characterically reductive and snotty tone, dismisses the logic of most booing cycles as somehow circular, whereas the vast minority of booings initially derive from "He can't play in NY so I'll boo him." I can't think of an example in fact, that STARTED like that.

it may turn into that, and quickly, so it rarely starts like that. More often, booing starts from some specific immediate and proximate cause (failing to hit last season after signing a 119-mil contract, firecrackers, displaying the range of a cactus, etc.) and the player over-reacts and THEN we get all "He can't take the heat here in our town, can he?", but it almost never starts there, contrary to Edgy's argument.

Vic Sage
May 24 2006 09:39 AM

i keep telling myself "I won't get sucked into the McFatass discussion".

It just sucks the emotional energy out of me for at least 3 days.

ohmmmmmmm
ohmmmmmmm
ohmmmmmmm....

Bret Sabermetric
May 24 2006 09:51 AM

Vic Sage wrote:
i keep telling myself "I won't get sucked into the McFatass discussion".

It just sucks the emotional energy out of me for at least 3 days.

ohmmmmmmm
ohmmmmmmm
ohmmmmmmm....


The principle here is much fatter than McBigass (and I so enjoying discussing baseball with you.)

MFS62
May 24 2006 11:29 AM

I have always attributed the booing of Bonilla to the self-inflicted myopia of Mike and Mad Dog.
At the time he was signed to his first contract with the Mets, M&MD were renegotiating the first extension of their contracts. (IIRC they both signed for somewhere around $600K per year). But in their own self-serving way, they kept hammering on Bonilla's contract of $29 million over several years.

When he signed the contract, Bobby kept saying that he was what he was, and the fans could expect he would produce the numbers they saw on the back of his baseball card. (.280 -25-85) And his annual salary (about $6 million per year) wasn't that far out of line, maybe a tad higher, with what other "stars" were getting at the time.

But that didn't stop M&MD from always referring to him as the "29 Million dollar man", making it sound like that was his annual salary. All that did was pour JP-4 on the fire. That rhetoric whipped Mets fans into a frenzy. They made the fans think that in order to earn that salary, Bobby had to deliver like the second coming of Mickey Mantle. And when he didn't the boos started cascading down from the stands.

Bobby delivered as promised. His numbers were very similar to "the back of his card". And, looking back, except for one fly ball to right center that he appeared to dog it going after, Bobby hustled during the duration of that contract.

Later

soupcan
May 24 2006 11:41 AM

Bobby Bonilla was, is and always will be a complete asshole.

That's why he was booed.

Even my 5 year old knows that bullies should not be tolerated.

G-Fafif
Jun 02 2006 12:18 PM

You meet the nicest people blogging about the Mets. Among the nicest I've come across is Dave Murray, the Mets Guy in Michigan. A 42-year-old Long Island native and longtime education beat reporter for the Grand Rapids Press, Dave joined the Metsosphere in 2005, staking out not just The Wolverine State but a crossroads of baseball, family and spirituality as territory uniquely his own within our realm. Dave writes concurrently about life and the Mets, weaving from one experience to the next without ever failing to be Amazin' about it. His blog offers a very refreshing respite from who should bat second or play second. Mets Guy in Michigan is subtitled "adventures in baseball and life," and that's what it's got.

After I told Edgy how much I enjoyed his interview with Steve Keane of the Eddie Kranepool Society, he offered me the opportunity to do one of my own. I chose to do Dave. I hope you enjoy it and I hope you visit Mets Guy in Michigan often.


Dave, you're the Mets Guy in Michigan. Are you all alone out there in that respect? Are there other Mets Guys (or Gals) in the Grand Rapids area?

I'm pretty much alone, which is to my advantage when trying to find things like Carlos Beltran McFarlane figures in the toy stores. On the rare times I see another person in a Mets cap I make sure to say "Hi."

When you settled out there, how much did your distance from the Mets weigh on your mind?

Tremendously. I'm a native Massapequan, but finished college at the University Of Missouri School Of Journalism, my first taste of rooting for the Mets in a strange land. We lived in Connecticut for three years after graduating, and it was great because we still had easy access to the Mets in person, on television and in the papers. I knew it would be a struggle when we moved to Michigan, but it was better for the family. It was a tradeoff.

How hard is it to follow your team from what we shall politely call the hinterlands? And how much easier has it gotten over the years thanks to technology? What do you miss most about not being in New York?

There were serious withdrawal issues at first because I was limited to ESPN and box scores the next day. I'd buy USA Today a lot during the season because of the team-by-team notes, the best way to get Mets news. For some reason the cable company in my area never carried WOR, though we had the Cubs and the Braves. That was frustrating.

The Internet certainly as made it much easier. I follow games on MLB.com or Yahoo, and I recently purchased the MLB.com radio package. My Mets listserv brings me a daily dose of articles and opinions. And of course the blogosphere brings things to another level entirely. I don't feel so isolated anymore.

As far as missing things about the homeland, you're going to laugh, but I miss New Yorkers! These Midwesterners can go through their whole lives without using their car horn, and of course we use it as basic communication. I miss little things, like proper bagels. People here just can't make them properly. I'll always be a New Yorker living in the Midwest, rather than a Midwesterner who was born in New York, if that makes sense.

How far back do you go with the Mets? And whether through your travels or just general disillusionment, did you ever take a pause in your affections?

I can't remember not being a Mets fan. My parents think it is appropriate that Shea Stadium's first game was about two weeks after I was born. We were a National League household, with my dad and grandmother growing up going to Ebbets Field. My first Mets game was Banner Day in 1971, and I was hooked for sure!

The Seaver trade was traumatic, but didn't shake my fandom. All the kids in my neighborhood switched to the Yankees by 1978, so I was all by myself. One day I got disgusted and was tired of all the verbal abuse and thought about going Yankee. That lasted about 20 minutes. I just couldn't do it. I'm loyal, if nothing. My team is my team, through thick and thin. And the thin makes the thick that much more enjoyable.

Shortly after moving to Michigan, I interviewed a principal who grew up in Lindenhurst. She said she was a Mets fan — my first question, of course — and she said that when you live in the state long enough you start following the Tigers. I was horrified. You don't turn your back on your team like that.

If I say "Mets" to you, who do you think of? Which players, which teams, which era?

I always considered the 1973 team "my team." I was 9 years old. That was the first year I kept a scrapbook of every Mets photo that appeared in the paper and knew absolutely everything about every player. That whole Seaver, Koosman, Harrelson, Grote, Staub, Millan gang. After that, the late 1980s teams are special to me. I was able to go to a lot of games when we lived in Connecticut, and I'd meet players at card shows.

Who is your favorite Met ever and who is your favorite non-obvious/obscure Met of all time?

Seaver was my hero, and to this day, if I have a number on anything, that number is 41. Besides being a great player, Seaver seemed clean cut and honorable. I finally met him in 1987, and I was worried that I'd be crushed if he was a jerk. But he was very nice. It was kind of emotional when I took my son to a card show a few years back and took him to meet Tom.

My favorite obscure Met is Mickey Weston, a pitcher who had a cup of coffee with the team in 1993. Mickey is from the Flint, Mich. area and I became his de facto biographer starting in 1990, when we spent time with him trying to tell readers what it was like to be a minor-league player so close to reaching his dream. He was in the Orioles system then, and went on the Blue Jays and Phillies before arriving with the Mets. I caught up with him in Cincinnati at Riverfront Stadium, my first time in a Mets clubhouse, talking to guys like Gooden and Mel Stottlemyre. Those times with Mickey were an amazing education about the game, and the players as real people. He forever changed the way I look at the game.

What Mets blogs do you read? And why should our fellow Mets fans who don't partake read them?

Well, Faith and Fear in Flushing, of course! I read a lot of them, and for different reasons. I don't want to offend folks by leaving them out, but certainly Metstradamus is a must because he's so darn funny. I like Matt Cerrone's MetsBlog and The Metropolitans as a daily briefing on all the Mets news. I share a bond with Lonestar Mets and Tales of a Transplanted Mets Fan. I think the folks behind Miracle Mets and Mike's Mets are good writers, and of course the insight provided by Bob Sikes at Getting Paid to Watch is just fascinating. There are more. I try to check out everyone on my links section. My buddy Will is an expert baseball analyst, and I'm grateful that he allows me to contribute to his site, baseballtruth.com.

I like the people who tell stories and make be feel like I am part of a community. The game recaps I can get in a million different places. But the Mets are the common thread in all of our lives. I like hearing about the lives. Reporters are nosy people. We know the "what," we want to know the "why."

Why did you get into this little racket of ours?

Tony, my college roommate and close friend, is a great writer and I was reading his stuff and thought blogging looked like fun. Newspaper reporters get to do some neat things, meet some neat people and go to some neat places. For years I had been meaning to write down some of the experiences before I forgot the details, in case someday my kids wanted to know what their Dad did for a living. One day after reading Tony's writing I stumbled on the Blogger homepage, saw the "start your own blog" link and clicked it just to see what it would entail. I decided it would be a good place to jot down all those things I had been meaning to jot down. I had no idea anyone would read it or care.

Your blog always manages to touch on the Mets in some way but it often just cuts the bag, if you will. You don't post every single day and you don't react to every single game. Describe your blogging philosophy for the folks at home.

If I were a shortstop, I'd be making the old "neighborhood play" when it comes to including the Mets sometimes, for sure! But people who know me know that the references aren't forced, and the Mets really do creep into my daily life in some way. I write for a living, but the stuff that appears on the blog is a different type of writing than I get to do during the day. If I dropped a Jeter rant into a school board story, I'd be in big trouble. So while the work writing can be very rewarding, the blog writing can be more fun. The work writing has to come first, and having two active kids and church activities keeps me hopping during the off hours. My new laptop makes it easier to write when I'm away from the house, so I should be able to post more often now. I try to get something up at least twice a week.

I like your adventures in life, the ones that take you to other ballparks, Majors and minors, to hockey arenas with your kids to meet actors from Napoleon Dynamite, on bus trips to cover protest marches. What brings those out of you and how do you make them work in a Mets-related context?

The baseball team is intertwined with my life, and thinking about the Mets reminds me of other things. For example, the Mets were in Washington at the time of the illegal immigration protests, and that reminded me of the last time I was in DC, and that was to cover another protest that filled the National Mall and the strange things that happened on that assignment. You know the "Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon" game? You could play the "Six Degrees of the Mets" for me. Heck, who are we kidding? It would be the three degrees or less.

I also love your interpretations of history, including the greatest living pitchers (all one-time Mets), key Mets songs and tour of Mets hair through the years. How do those come to you?

Some of those are rants because the Mets don't get the love they deserve from the national press, and we need to set the record straight, like when Sports Illustrated rated the stadiums and put Shea near the very bottom. It's a chance to revel in fandom without getting too darn serious.

Talk a little about the stuff you collect from your adventures. If a Mets fan were coming to your home, what would you want to show off immediately?

My basement is a shrine to Metsdom. None of it is valuable, except to me. There are things I've had since childhood or picked up along the way. My most prized item is a Mets history book that my parents gave me in 1986. It's become filled with Mets autographs, everyone from owners Wilpon and Doubleday to guys who had a cup of coffee. And before anyone thinks I'm one of those freaks who hound players in hotels, I collected the vast majority of signatures at card shows and spring training games, where players don't mind.

You allude to your spirituality every now and then. To paraphrase from My Cousin Vinny, my initial reaction was "you were serious about that?" At the risk of being too personal, explain a little where you're coming from, specifically how your beliefs mesh with your ability to Gotta Believe.

Well, I'm not a good preacher, but my faith is important. I realized I'm blessed in many, many ways. That helps me keep things in perspective.

You were described by a fellow blogger once as "Massapequa savvy on Midwestern wry" (oh right, that was by me). Do you think your attitude or tone toward baseball has changed by being in the great out there? You seem to have retained your cynicism but it never comes off as harsh as what's spewed by some of us back east.

Reporters are cynical by nature. But I think being out here gives me a different perspective. I see what it's like for other fans in other cities. Mets fans suffer in doses, but until this year, the Tigers haven't had a decent season since I moved to Michigan in 1990. Those fans have suffered. And while the Yankee presence is here, it's not a suffocating as it is in the Apple. I can shut them out a little. You guys are in the trenches, with idiots like Mike and the Mad Dog in your face every day. That intensity is going to sharpen your blades a little.

You're a little promiscuous in terms of liking some other teams. Who are they and do they ever get in the way of the only team that really counts?

I started checking out the White Sox after Seaver was snatched away in 1984, and went to a game at Old Comiskey in 1988. I think the Mets and the Sox have some things in common, perceived as being second teams in their cities. And I've bonded a little with the Marlins, having been to their first game in 1993 and one of the World Series games in 1997. I have a healthy respect for the Cardinals after going to college in Missouri and witnessing how much baseball is loved there. The Marlins and Cards share a spring training site in Jupiter, Fla., where my folks live. But make no mistake; these are second-tier teams posing no threat to Mets fandom. When they go head-to-head I'm pulling all the way for the Mets.

Let's do a little lightning round. I'll give you a subject, you give me a sentence or two. First off: Worse scourge of the earth, Braves or Yankees?

Clearly the Yankees. The Braves aren't evil, they just beat us. A lot. The Yankees have been the cause of pain and abuse since I've been a kid.

Chipper or Jeter?

Chipper is redeemable, he just beats the stuffing out of us. Jeter is the Yankees personified, over-hyped, over-paid and too damn lucky. He represents all the kids who taunted me growing up, Reggie Jackson banging my Hall-of-Fame ball on a table, all the people all over who put down the Mets.

Al Leiter: Great big-game Mets pitcher or weaseling front-office meddler turned traitor?

Al has clearly lost his way. He needs an intervention.

Doc Gooden: Mets Hall of Famer or not welcome here?

Gooden needs to be in the Mets Hall of Fame, once he's out of jail. That magical 1985 season can't be forgotten.

Jose Reyes: Obviously never going to make it as a leadoff hitter or one of the most dynamic players in the game?

He's still a kid. Give him time and he'll get even better.

Shea Stadium: Beloved playground of our youth that with a few nips and tucks could serve another generation of Mets fans or where's the button, I wanna blow it up myself?

I love Shea and have tons of memories. But after seeing a number of the other new stadiums around the game, it's time for Shea to be replaced.

1969 or 1986?

Nothing can surpass the 1969 team that captured the nation's attention. I have a baseball magazine from 1970 and the cover story is "How the Mets saved baseball."

David Wright: Great third baseman or greatEST third baseman?

Stinking Sports Illustrated and it's football/Yankee bias. It's got a wonderful story about Wright with great art. And who is on the cover? An injured football player, from the Bengals, no less.

Are our boys going to do it this year? How far might they go?

All. The. Way.

Willie manage to your satisfaction? What about Omar?

I think Omar has done amazing job. Willie, not so much. But he's getting better. Dude was a Yankee for a looooong time.

Does it strike you as it strikes me from reading blogs like ours, including some of the thoughts from the regular commenters, that there's something, well, special about the Mets fans who came of age when we did in the early '70s? Maybe every "generation" of Mets fan thinks of itself that way, but I sense we came up when the Mets were IT and the Yankees barely existed and it colors the way we see the baseball world. Any feelings on that?

We're scrappy and we don't take the good times for granted. I think we don't buy into the Yankee hype because we remember a time when they weren't spending twice as much as everyone else and they were a national joke. Even when they were winning in the late 1970s, the whole Billy-Reggie-George stuff was embarrassing.

Have you raised your children in The Principle? Are they growing up Mets fans in Western Michigan?

I'm trying, but it's tough. My son likes the Diamondbacks because he uses the team to kick my butt when we play MLB Slugfest on PlayStation. It's based on stats from 2003 and 2004, and I'm always the Mets. I hold out hope for my daughter, who keeps score when we go to ballgames.

Finally, what's better to wake up to: News of a Pedro three-hit shutout at Dodger Stadium or a warm poppy-seed bagel shipped directly from Long Island?

Nothing, and I mean nothing, beats a warm poppy-seed bagel shipped directly from Long Island!

Edgy DC
Jun 02 2006 12:52 PM

i heart this game.

soupcan
Jun 02 2006 01:16 PM

]...she said that when you live in the state long enough you start following the Tigers. I was horrified
.


He was horrified!

Love it.

Great interview. Thanks Greg.

Edgy DC
Jun 02 2006 01:42 PM

From the Napoleon Dynamite blog:

So $11.75 later Andrew and I made it back to our seats as the second period was wrapping up. The total on the night: 15 minutes watching hockey, nearly 2 hours on lines.

I was in a daze. Couldn't even muster up some excitement when a brawl broke out. just stared blankly through the glass. And this is a guy who once started a roterisserie hockey league based entirely around penalty minutes.

ScarletKnight41
Jun 02 2006 01:54 PM

]
David Wright: Great third baseman or greatEST third baseman?


ROFL

Great interview Greg :)

G-Fafif
Jun 03 2006 05:30 AM

In sitcom terms, Dave strikes me as the straight arrow who just moved in next door who doesn't have an unkind word for anybody, who you think is just the sweetest guy in the world...until he starts spewing all kinds of horrible prejudicial venom.

But since ALL his bile is directed at the Yankees, he remains an ideal neighbor.

Zvon
Jun 03 2006 12:12 PM

great interview-great blog.

metsguyinmichigan
Jun 05 2006 05:20 PM

Thank you for the kind words!

And thanks to Greg for the interview. I'm not used to being in that side of the questions.

--- Dave

Edgy DC
Jun 05 2006 05:35 PM

Dave, long-time occasional reader. Welcome a-Bordick.

Frayed Knot
Jun 05 2006 05:36 PM

Welcome from a former Massapequan (two brief stints in my life).
Drop by often.

Willets Point
Jun 12 2006 04:11 PM

Welcome. We should get more of these bloggers to join up after their interviews.

Willets Point
Jul 11 2006 12:11 PM

Dispatch overdue.

Edgy DC
Jul 11 2006 12:13 PM

I'll get right on that.

SteveJRogers
Jul 11 2006 12:19 PM

[url]http://jabberfest.blogspot.com[/url]

Some blogger thinks the division is over, but is worried about how long we'll be in the postseason

]NL East: This is the Mets division. Phillies and Braves have all but quit on the year, the Nationals are a mess and the Marlins are too young at this point to be considered a challenger come September. Mets need a lot though if they want to make any kind of impact come October. A frontline starting pitching would be nice. Its been a while since I’ve seen a starting staff make the postseason in this bad of shape, but look for Omar Minaya to make some deals.


Not to mention this creep probably threw the post together so quickly he decided to call all of the divisions and wild card races, save for the Easts and NL Central, as Too Close To Call. Way to go out on a limb! Next time take your time, this isn't a "Just do something that sounds good on a sound bite on TV/Radio" forum of opinion output!
=;)

Edgy DC
Jul 11 2006 12:44 PM

]Its been a while since I’ve seen a starting staff make the postseason in this bad of shape, but look for Omar Minaya to make some deals.


Since 2005, at least.

SteveJRogers
Jul 11 2006 12:46 PM

I think that might be part of my problem here. I take something heard on the radio or mentioned on TV and I might agree with the point, or I think its a good debatable point that I post the stupid idea online here or somewhere

Then I get taken to task for it when I say something completely different, or if the original thought is based soley on something spouted by a soundbite talking head. Something that clearly wouldn't make any sense printed, in other words something that sure the hell can't have an entire argument built upon.

One day in 2003 I heard a radio host flat out suggest that there should be NO WAY Mike Piazza should start ahead of Vance Wilson/Jason Phillips when he returned from the DL based on Piazza's early season struggles and the host's unfounded belief that Wilson/Phillips combo was doing better than Piazza could have at that present time, I thought "Hey thats a good topic for discussion" and I posted it to a Met Listserv. I was lambasted and called a Piazza Hater.

Well now that I think of it, I can safely say that the host in question, Don LaGreca 1050 ESPN Radio was (and still is) a devout Piazza basher (and a Met organization basher despite being a fan) and instead I should have dug deeper into the situation and said "Ya know what, no, Piazza should not be stuck on the bench behind two career AAAA players, no matter what it would mean to team morale"

Basically, I stink, I can not come up with an opinion worth a damn on my own, it always seems to be parroting things I pick up here and there. And this is the profession I wanted to make a living in?

Edgy DC
Jul 20 2006 02:32 PM

The Jose Valentin Experience.

Willets Point
Aug 23 2006 11:19 AM

Bump.

Willets Point
Oct 03 2006 04:14 PM

Double Bump.

OlerudOwned
Oct 03 2006 04:31 PM

http://deadspin.com/sports/baseball/where-my-team-stands-new-york-mets-204475.php

Jason from FAFIF, on Deadspin for a playoff preview.