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BLC-Santana vs. Bruce Springsteen and E Street Band

cooby May 21 2006 12:07 PM

I'm sorry I have to start this so early, but I won't have time tomorrow morning, and tonight (hopefully) is a game.... If Johnny wants to wait until the open challenges are finished before responding, that's okay with me. 1 Evil Ways 2 Samba Pa Ti 3 Black Magic Woman 4 Oye Como Va 5 Hope You're Feeling Better 6 She's Not There 7 Jingo 8 Stormy 9 Se A Cabo 10 Everything's Coming Our Way All songs except Stormy and She's Not There can be found here http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00000252Y/ref=m_art_li_13/103-8012801-1997451?s=music&v=glance&n=5174 Stormy http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0000025EB/qid=1148227301/sr=1-44/ref=sr_1_44/103-8012801-1997451?s=music&v=glance&n=5174 She's Not There http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0000AKY7M/qid=1148227394/sr=1-16/ref=sr_1_16/103-8012801-1997451?s=music&v=glance&n=5174 Santana is an amazing group and like Elster and his Guns and Roses, I hope that if you are not very familiar with them, you take the time to check them out (the older stuff is best, but his recent reinvention hasn't been bad either, "Smooth" is incredible, but not on my list, because I don't think Supernatural should be eligible for this exercise)

RealityChuck May 22 2006 09:20 AM

Very nice competition. Love to see how it end up.

Johnny Dickshot May 22 2006 11:00 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 22 2006 04:22 PM

Despite a resounding victory over the Doors, Bruce displays CAHNfidence is his repertoire by turning over fully half his entries in his second matchup. All albums are represented! Thunder Road 4th of July, Asbury Park (Sandy) Badlands Born to Run Brilliant Disguise Cadillac Ranch Rosalita (Come out Tonight) Cover Me Tunnel of Love Does This Bus Stop at 82nd Street

sharpie May 22 2006 11:05 AM

]All albums are represented! Not "The Rising"

Johnny Dickshot May 22 2006 11:06 AM

Yeah, well, another time, maybe.

Willets Point May 22 2006 03:33 PM

Folks just can't things started without the pretty picture post. And it seems only Edgy has the magic to make that happen.

Edgy DC May 22 2006 03:54 PM

I've been meeting with peeps today. Give my ass a moment...

Willets Point May 22 2006 04:10 PM

So you've been looking at this all afternoon? How intimidating.

Edgy DC May 22 2006 04:15 PM

Hey, Dickshot, your list goes to 11.

Johnny Dickshot May 22 2006 04:22 PM

ficksed.

Edgy DC May 22 2006 04:40 PM

vs. "Evil Ways" vs. "Thunder Road" "Samba Pa Ti" vs. "4th of July, Asbury Park (Sandy)" "Black Magic Woman" vs. "Badlands" "Oye Como Va" vs. "Born to Run" "Hope You're Feeling Better" vs. "Brilliant Disguise" "She's Not There" vs. "Cadillac Ranch" "Jingo" vs. "Rosalita (Come out Tonight)" "Stormy" vs. "Cover Me" "Se A Cabo" vs. "Tunnel of Love" "Everything's Coming Our Way" vs. "Does This Bus Stop at 82nd Street"

Willets Point May 22 2006 04:47 PM

Let's start the clock at 4:40 since there was an extra song.

soupcan May 22 2006 05:16 PM

"Evil Ways" vs. "Thunder Road" SANTANA "Samba Pa Ti" vs. "4th of July, Asbury Park (Sandy)" SANTANA "Black Magic Woman" vs. "Badlands" SANTANA "Oye Como Va" vs. "Born to Run" SANTANA "Hope You're Feeling Better" vs. "Brilliant Disguise" SANTANA "She's Not There" vs. "Cadillac Ranch" BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN & THE E STREET BAND "Jingo" vs. "Rosalita (Come out Tonight)" BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN & THE E STREET BAND "Stormy" vs. "Cover Me" SANTANA "Se A Cabo" vs. "Tunnel of Love" SANTANA "Everything's Coming Our Way" vs. "Does This Bus Stop at 82nd Street SANTANA SANTANA - 8 / BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN & THE E STREET BAND - 2

ScarletKnight41 May 22 2006 05:22 PM

"Evil Ways" vs. "Thunder Road" - Santana "Samba Pa Ti" vs. "4th of July, Asbury Park (Sandy)" - Santana "Black Magic Woman" vs. "Badlands" - Santana "Oye Como Va" vs. "Born to Run" - Bruce "Hope You're Feeling Better" vs. "Brilliant Disguise" - Bruce "She's Not There" vs. "Cadillac Ranch" - Bruce "Jingo" vs. "Rosalita (Come out Tonight)" - Santana "Stormy" vs. "Cover Me" - Bruce "Se A Cabo" vs. "Tunnel of Love" - Santana "Everything's Coming Our Way" vs. "Does This Bus Stop at 82nd Street - Santana Santana - 6 Bruce - 4

sharpie May 22 2006 05:54 PM

"Evil Ways" vs. "Thunder Road" BRUCE "Samba Pa Ti" vs. "4th of July, Asbury Park (Sandy)" SANTANA "Black Magic Woman" vs. "Badlands" BRUCE "Oye Como Va" vs. "Born to Run" tie "Hope You're Feeling Better" vs. "Brilliant Disguise" SANTANA "She's Not There" vs. "Cadillac Ranch" SANTANA "Jingo" vs. "Rosalita (Come out Tonight)" BRUCE "Stormy" vs. "Cover Me" BRUCE "Se A Cabo" vs. "Tunnel of Love" Tie "Everything's Coming Our Way" vs. "Does This Bus Stop at 82nd Street" SANTANA It's a tie!

Willets Point May 22 2006 06:01 PM

"Evil Ways"vs."Thunder Road" Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band "Samba Pa Ti"vs."4th of July, Asbury Park (Sandy)" Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band "Black Magic Woman"vs."Badlands" Tie "Oye Como Va"vs."Born to Run" Tie "Hope You're Feeling Better"vs."Brilliant Disguise Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band "She's Not There"vs."Cadillac Ranch" Santana "Jingo"vs."Rosalita (Come out Tonight)" Santana - - - Love the drums "Stormy"vs."Cover Me" Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band "Se A Cabo"vs."Tunnel of Love" Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band "Everything's Coming Our Way"vs."Does This Bus Stop at 82nd Street" Santana Santana 4:6 Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band

Gwreck May 23 2006 02:38 AM

A particularly excellent version of "Thunder Road." http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=1AD5D01622941E73 (MP3 file for download)

Rockin' Doc May 23 2006 06:58 AM

"Evil Ways"vs."Thunder Road" - Bruce Springsteen "Samba Pa Ti"vs."4th of July, Asbury Park (Sandy)" - Santana "Black Magic Woman"vs."Badlands" - Santana "Oye Como Va"vs."Born to Run" - Bruce Springsteen "Hope You're Feeling Better"vs."Brilliant Disguise" - Bruse Springsteen "She's Not There"vs."Cadillac Ranch" - Santana "Jingo"vs."Rosalita (Come out Tonight)" - Santana "Stormy"vs."Cover Me" - Bruce Springsteen "Se A Cabo"vs."Tunnel of Love" - Tie "Everything's Coming Our Way"vs."Does This Bus Stop at 82nd Street" - Santana Some tough pairings in this match up. Santana pulls out a close one by the score of 5.5- 4.5

RealityChuck May 23 2006 08:56 AM

"Evil Ways" vs. "Thunder Road" -- Santana "Samba Pa Ti" vs. "4th of July, Asbury Park (Sandy)" -- Bruce "Black Magic Woman" vs. "Badlands" -- Santana "Oye Como Va" vs. "Born to Run" -- Bruce "Hope You're Feeling Better" vs. "Brilliant Disguise" -- Santana "She's Not There" vs. "Cadillac Ranch" -- Bruce "Jingo" vs. "Rosalita (Come out Tonight)" -- Bruce "Stormy" vs. "Cover Me" -- tie "Se A Cabo" vs. "Tunnel of Love" -- Santana "Everything's Coming Our Way" vs. "Does This Bus Stop at 82nd Street" -- Santana 6-4 Santana. Could have gone either way, though

Edgy DC May 23 2006 10:13 AM Edited 2 time(s), most recently on May 24 2006 01:07 PM

"Evil Ways" vs. "Thunder Road" BS&tESB in a walk. "Samba Pa Ti" vs. "4th of July, Asbury Park (Sandy)" “Samba Pa Ti” should go up against “Thunder Road” as I think they’re two of the first three selections in Nick Hornby’s book about his favorite records. A beautiful song barely trumps an even more beautiful guitar solo. BS&tESB. "Black Magic Woman" vs. "Badlands" BS&tESB "Oye Como Va" vs. "Born to Run" BS&tESB "Hope You're Feeling Better" vs. "Brilliant Disguise" BS&tESB. My bias against acid rock is coming through here. Look hard and look twice "She's Not There" vs. "Cadillac Ranch" This is a nice alternative version of “She’s not There.” Not necessarily better than the radio-staple Zombies song, just nice and refreshingly different. “Cadillac Ranch” is a good example of Bruce being over-histrionic. I’m throwing this one to Santana, as I was previously on the fence with "Samba Pa Ti"/"4th of July, Asbury Park (Sandy)" and went with the Brucers. "Jingo" vs. "Rosalita (Come out Tonight)" I like the Sexy percussion breaks of Jingo, but the record company gave me a big advance and I have to vote for the E-Streeters. “Rosy” is a tour-de-force and a rock-‘n’-roll fantasy to boot. "Stormy" vs. "Cover Me" Adult “Hey, Love” soul vs. keyboard-drenched rawk. I’m taking a pass here. Tie. "Se A Cabo" vs. "Tunnel of Love" A fast latin jazz drum orgasm against heavy-metal guitar solo with Carlos’ distinctive tone, “Se a Cabo” is a fantastic roof-blower that’s probably great to see live, but I can’t bring myself to vote against “Tunnel of Love,” which lets pop trump rock, which is everything I was told was wrong when I was young. “Tunnel,” I’ve said it before, contains a wonderful guitar solo that pretty much alone could justify Nils Lofgren’s entire tenure in the E Street Band. Plus the central metaphor of the song is fascinating. BS&tESB. "Everything's Coming Our Way" vs. "Does This Bus Stop at 82nd Street?" “Everything” is everything Santana is. It’s soul. It’s rock. It’s Ricky Ricardo at the Tropicana. “Does this Bus…” strikes me as over-poetic, Bruce trying too hard to build a reputation as a songwriter — a trait he would soon pull back on just enough. Santana. Bruce Springsteen & the E Street Band take it 7.5-2.5, which is a pretty good showing, from where I stand, for Santana, considering the guitarist that gives them their name had to make up for the band never having an identifiable lead vocalist.

Johnny Dickshot May 23 2006 10:50 AM

"Evil Ways" vs. "Thunder Road" --Like ‘em both but only one can win. Bruce "Samba Pa Ti" vs. "4th of July, Asbury Park (Sandy)" --That waitress I was seeing lost her desire for me. I spoke to her last night. She said she won’t set myself on fire for me anymore. Wham, bang Bruce. "Black Magic Woman" vs. "Badlands" --Santana "Oye Como Va" vs. "Born to Run" --BtR is just too huge. Bruce. "Hope You're Feeling Better" vs. "Brilliant Disguise" --What edgy said about acid rock. Yawn. Bruce. "She's Not There" vs. "Cadillac Ranch" --Bruce wrote a lot of songs about cars. This is one of them. Bruce "Jingo" vs. "Rosalita (Come out Tonight)" --Bruce "Stormy" vs. "Cover Me" --I thought this was the weak link in my lineup (which I randomly ordered without regard to the opponent), and it still wins. "Se A Cabo" vs. "Tunnel of Love" --CuddleUPmylittleangel, cuppleUPmylittleDOVE. Bruce "Everything's Coming Our Way" vs. "Does This Bus Stop at 82nd Street" --I like the syncopated rhythms and cat-like guitar, but I gotta go with my bias here and give some love for young Bruce, who brings remarkable energy to a simple, short, little piano piece. “I saw the future of rock and roll and its name is Bruce Springsteen!” Bruce 9, Santana 1

metirish May 23 2006 10:59 AM

"Evil Ways" vs. "Thunder Road" - Bruce "Samba Pa Ti" vs. "4th of July, Asbury Park (Sandy)" - Bruce "Black Magic Woman" vs. "Badlands" - Santana "Oye Como Va" vs. "Born to Run" - Bruce "Hope You're Feeling Better" vs. "Brilliant Disguise" - Bruce "She's Not There" vs. "Cadillac Ranch" - Santana "Jingo" vs. "Rosalita (Come out Tonight)" - Bruce "Stormy" vs. "Cover Me" - Santana "Se A Cabo" vs. "Tunnel of Love" - Bruce "Everything's Coming Our Way" vs. "Does This Bus Stop at 82nd Street " - Santana Bruce - 6 - Santana - 4

Vic Sage May 23 2006 11:41 AM

"Evil Ways" vs. "Thunder Road" - Bruce "Samba Pa Ti" vs. "4th of July, Asbury Park (Sandy)" - Bruce "Black Magic Woman" vs. "Badlands" - Santana "Oye Como Va" vs. "Born to Run" - Bruce "Hope You're Feeling Better" vs. "Brilliant Disguise" - Bruce "She's Not There" vs. "Cadillac Ranch" - Santana "Jingo" vs. "Rosalita (Come out Tonight)" - Bruce "Stormy" vs. "Cover Me" - tie "Se A Cabo" vs. "Tunnel of Love" - Bruce "Everything's Coming Our Way" vs. "Does This Bus Stop at 82nd Street " - tie Bruce - 7 Santana - 3

Elster88 May 23 2006 12:00 PM

So now we're pretending that Santana is a band when it's actually also the musician by the same name?

Willets Point May 23 2006 12:13 PM

Elster88 wrote: So now we're pretending that Santana is a band when it's actually also the musician by the same name? Curmudgeon. Santana is a band. Carlos Santana is a man. Rafael Santana is a shortstop.

sharpie May 23 2006 12:15 PM

Cooby is limiting herself to the period when the band had some more cohesion and staying away from the current "band". Carlos Santana has put out albums under his own name and not under the "band name" of Santana. Those albums wouldn't be allowed. I know, kind of silly, but there you have it.

Edgy DC May 23 2006 12:15 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 23 2006 12:17 PM

It is a band with continuous members. He has also had occasion to release albums under the name Carlos Santana, when those members were not present. Other bands that remain bands despite taking the name of their highest-profile member. Van Halen Argent Bonham Vandeburg

Willets Point May 23 2006 12:15 PM

Everly Brothers.

sharpie May 23 2006 12:17 PM

King Crimson Savoy Brown The Mothers of Invention

Edgy DC May 23 2006 01:13 PM Edited 3 time(s), most recently on May 24 2006 01:03 PM

Santana's original lineup was Original Lineup (1968 debut): Carlos Santana (guitar) Gregg Rolie (keyboards and vocals) David Brown (bass guitar) Michael Shrieve (drums) José "Chepito" Areas (percussion) Michael Carabello (percussion). Neil Schon (guitar) joins in 1971 as a teenaged prodigy also recruited by Derek and the Dominoes. Rolie quits in December of 1971. Supposedly more interested in progressive rock, concept albums, and classical music, while Carlos wanted shorter tracks highlighting Mexican themes. Rolie would instead put aside those high falutin' intentions, and go on to found Journey, and recruit his old fellow Santanista Schon. They were originally billed as the Santana Blues Band. Like the Steve Miller Band, King Crimson, Jethro Tull, and many other acts that debuted in the Woodstock era, from the late seventies on, the brand name of the band had more integrity than the lineup, and the iconic central figure carried on under that name with multiple lineups. More perhaps than those others, Carlos nonetheless was dedicated to keeping the act as representative as possible of what they originally were, retaining the signature percussion players that tied Santana to idols like Tito Puente. And, like those others, the later lineup changes are largely neutralized in this contest by the sponsor piicking mostly songs from the earlier era when the band's lineup was concrete and well-known. Measuring the band on a total-historical-members-per-minute-of-released-music basis, they probably don't approach Guns n' Roses' league. Axl just added a new guitarist named Stumblefoot like three weeks ago.

metirish May 23 2006 01:46 PM

WOW Edgy, Vandenburg and Bonham, now those two are blasts from the past, I read recently that Jason Bonhan is now part of a TV supergroup..ahh here's the link... http://www.thnt.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060519/COLUMNISTS19/605190359/1070/PULSE

Gwreck May 23 2006 02:19 PM

"Evil Ways" vs. "Thunder Road" A great song vs. one of the greatest songs of all time. Little bit unfair. Bruce "Samba Pa Ti" vs. "4th of July, Asbury Park (Sandy)" Bruce "Black Magic Woman" vs. "Badlands" Another battle of heavies, but it's Badlands. Bruce "Oye Como Va" vs. "Born to Run" Not much can compete here either. Bruce "Hope You're Feeling Better" vs. "Brilliant Disguise" Bruce "She's Not There" vs. "Cadillac Ranch" Bruce, in a much closer matchup. "Jingo" vs. "Rosalita (Come out Tonight)" Bruce, although I like Jingo quite a bit. "Stormy" vs. "Cover Me" Bruce, somewhat unexpectedly. "Se A Cabo" vs. "Tunnel of Love" Bruce, again easily. "Everything's Coming Our Way" vs. "Does This Bus Stop at 82nd Street" Bruce, benefiting from the matchup. Hmm, that's a 10-0 for Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band. Very surprised to hear that Dickshot chose the matchups randomly, as putting Thunder Road, Born to Run and Badlands vs. 3 of the top Santana songs was a very effective (if unintentional) strategy. I like this Bruce lineup more than before but Cover Me, Cadillac Ranch and Bus Stop are some weak links. Glad to see Badlands in there but I'm still puzzled by the absence of Jungleland or Backstreets.

cooby May 23 2006 06:56 PM

"Evil Ways"vs."Thunder Road" - Santa "Samba Pa Ti"vs."4th of July, Asbury Park (Sandy)" - Santana "Black Magic Woman"vs."Badlands" - Santana "Oye Como Va"vs."Born to Run" - Bruce Springsteen "Hope You're Feeling Better"vs."Brilliant Disguise" - Santana "She's Not There"vs."Cadillac Ranch" - Santana "Jingo"vs."Rosalita (Come out Tonight)" - Santana "Stormy"vs."Cover Me" - Santana "Se A Cabo"vs."Tunnel of Love" - Santana "Everything's Coming Our Way"vs."Does This Bus Stop at 82nd Street" - Santana Santana 9 Bruce 1

Johnny Dickshot May 24 2006 01:01 PM

Vote!

Johnny Dickshot May 24 2006 04:40 PM

Final score: Bruce Springsteen 66, Santana 54

Johnny Dickshot May 24 2006 04:41 PM

You wasted your double=secret Seaver post on a final score count that anyone coulda made. You suck.

Johnny Dickshot May 24 2006 04:42 PM

Now it's gone. I don;t get it.

Gwreck May 24 2006 04:49 PM

Johnny Dickshot wrote: Now it's gone. I don;t get it. Maybe that's why it's "double-secret?" :)