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Bret Sabermetric May 24 2006 12:16 PM Re: Catch the Ball, Paul

Johnny Dickshot wrote: Damn straight I was hard on LoDuca last night after muffing a perfectly easy play at home, which woulda been the third out and instead turned into a 4-run rally. Two other times this year LoDuca has failed to gather in a throw at the plate and make a tag -- opening day, which he cleverly got away with, and a more recent game I can't recall in my sleep-deprived state, which was a much more difficult play but one I remarked on for its crucialness. Help me out: what was game was that? The point was, all defensive players encounter high-difficulty plays from time to time, and if you make them, they're HUGE. Has LoDuca successfully and cleanly executed a tag out at home yet this year? What to do? Discuss. You make altogether too much out of tag plays at the plate. It's maybe 4 runs so far this season. It's a blip. Give it a freaking rest. Don't have a cow. So freaking what? Give Paul a break. Samll sample size. Compare him to other catchers--he's doing a good job. Anecdotal crap. (I've got more--let me know if you'd like more.)

Bret Sabermetric May 24 2006 12:25 PM

And, of course, the ever-popular "I'd discuss it with you, but it's easier to dismiss you as an obsessive maligner of a popular catcher's reputation for sick, agenda-based reasons of your own twisted psyche, so I'll say you suck and leave it at that."" Man, I hadnt realized how much fun could be had from this end!

KC May 24 2006 01:03 PM

BS: >>>Seems to me that we should have a database (or should create one)<<< Yeah, we'll get right on that chief. You just suck the life out of this place, sometimes. It's sad.

KC May 24 2006 01:42 PM

VS: >>>>i really don't see anything wrong with the suggestion that it'd be interesting to try to understand the nature and extent of a particular skill that some catchers may be better at than others<<< I don't either, but ignoring that my sarcasm stems from the daily frustrations of the items posted prior to informing us that he was "just teasing" is reading this post and this forum with one eye closed.

Bret Sabermetric May 24 2006 02:51 PM

Take this fucking bullshit to the RLF all-goddamn -ready, wouldja, so we can get back to discussing the motherhumping game and JD's point about these homo catchers, OK? Jesus Christ in a rowboat!.

seawolf17 May 24 2006 02:55 PM

Vic Sage wrote: KC, i don't think it would be easy to create the stat, and there may be a number of factors in play, but i really don't see anything wrong with the suggestion that it'd be interesting to try to understand the nature and extent of a particular skill that some catchers may be better at than others. I agree, but like all defensive stats, they're hard to quantify. So a guy had twelve putouts on throws over the course of a year, and four errors. I just don't think it tells us anything.

Nymr83 May 24 2006 02:58 PM

Bret Sabermetric May 24 2006 03:05 PM

="Nymr83"] Pretty sure you don't understand what a troll is. But I'm much surer that you could pretty well label me a stegosaurus and everyone here would assure that you're right without having a clue what you were trying to say. You guys seem pretty good about dishing out the abuse, but I don't see this in the RLF yet, certainly not with the warp-speed that I get sent there with whenever I make a faintly personal remark. How come? Is it because all the abuse and falsehoods are coming from someone other than me? Nah, that couldn't be.

seawolf17 May 24 2006 03:33 PM

Hey, I thought I made a relevant point!

Bret Sabermetric May 24 2006 03:38 PM

You did, seawolf, but the good have to suffer with the bad. My first couple of posts in this "new" thread is lighthearted teasing of JD, who liked to complain about my insufficently substantiated bitching about Piazza, but somehow (innocent mistake, no doubt) it got lumped in with all the abuse that KC heaped on me, which is where the RLF branching-off would go, if I were still running this place. Good thing I'm not still running this place, huh?