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Edgy DC
Jun 07 2006 10:57 AM

="Elster88"]
="Edgy DC"]The sad part is the round-up-the-illegals lead.

The rest is ignorant and mean, sure, but as much as he doesn't understand the world, the lead suggests he doesn't understand America either.


This is for a whole other thread. A long thread.


My feeling is that, while many in government and in the electorate have varying attitudes toward curbing the illegal immigration that is going on, it's a very small minority --- in government and out --- who actually think it's a good use of resources to "round up" all the illegal aliens among us.

The current policy is pretty much if you're illegal and you keep your nose clean, the government won't put a whole lot of time into trying to catch up with you. At the end of the day, the INS police may get a bigger budget that'll be thrown into far-fetched and failed programs, but I think that the policy will look pretty much the same.

Most in the administartion feel this way, but they're probably going to throw some lip service to stricter policies in the next two years. It'll largely be because the don't want this guy



to mount a presidential campaign that'll be an embarrassment to the party, to Americans, to white men, and to other carbon-based life forms, so instead they'll embarass themselves by throwing bones to his constituents.

I'd rather they dealt with him by McCain or Rice or whoever humilating him during his campaign, but that's not the way our two-party system tends to function.

On the other hand the House is more hardline than the Senate and the Senate is more hardline than the administation, so, assuming that House is more accountable to their constituents than the Senate and the Administration, maybe the mood of this country is of a "round 'em up" variety, but I disagree with the writer that it's the mood of the Government, but here in DC, I think of the Government as the agencies, not as the House.

Congressman, you're on TV. Wear a tie.

Elster88
Jun 07 2006 11:05 AM

W. just recently addressed the nation with that new plan. I'll try and fine a summary.

Or was it a proposal going to Congress for a vote? I misremember.

Edgy DC
Jun 07 2006 11:09 AM

Tancredo certainly has more of the House than I like to think about.

metsmarathon
Jun 07 2006 11:30 AM

wow. that looks like jack and janet and chrissy's landlord...

metirish
Jun 07 2006 12:47 PM

What I find scary are the militiamen armed to the gills patroling the borders, and this week in Time I read a very scary article on how the illiegal immigration issue is bringing together Neo-Nazies, white supremacists and the militiamen in a common cause...ok I subscribe to Time so here is the article....

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Jun. 5, 2006
Pugnacious anthems and racist diatribes have never been in short supply at Nordic Fest, an annual white-power Woodstock held over the Memorial Day break near the former mining town of Dawson Springs, Ky. And this past weekend was no exception. On the agenda were a Triumph of the Will--themed running event and a cross "lighting" sponsored by the Imperial Klans of America. But something new did arise at Nordic Fest this year: bellicose talk and plans of action against illegal immigrants. Among the scheduled guest speakers was Hal Turner, a New Jersey Internet radio talk-show host who recently instructed his audience to "clean your guns, have plenty of ammunition ... and then do what has to be done" to undocumented workers.

With immigration perhaps America's most volatile issue, a troubling backlash has erupted among its most fervent foes. There are, of course, the Minutemen, the self-appointed border vigilantes who operate in several states. And now groups of militiamen, white supremacists and neo-Nazis are using resentment over the estimated 11 million illegal immigrants in the U.S. as a potent rallying cry. "The immigration furor has been critical to the growth we've seen" in hate groups, says Mark Potok, head of the Intelligence Project at the Southern Poverty Law Center. The center counts some 800 racist groups operating in the U.S. today, a 5% spurt in the past year and a 33% jump from 2000. "They think they've found an issue with racial overtones and a real resonance with the American public," says Potok, "and they are exploiting it as effectively as they can."

Both Potok's group and the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) are worried that extremists are burrowing their way into the anti-immigration mainstream. Mark Martin, 43, of Covington, Ohio, is a chef at a French restaurant and tends his backyard organic garden. But he also dons the black and brown uniform of western Ohio's National Socialist (read: Nazi) Movement. "There's nothing neo about us," he says. Martin admits he frequently harasses day laborers and threatens them with deportation. "As Americans, we have the right to make a citizen's arrest and detain them," he insists. "And if they try to get away, we have the right to get physical with them." Martin gleefully boasts about leading eight fellow storm troopers in disrupting a May 1 pro-immigrant rally in Dayton by taunting protesters. Although police ultimately restrained him, Martin believes his agitation was worthwhile because it attracted new recruits. "After the rally, the Klan called us," he says. "Now we've started working together more often."

In addition to white supremacists, the immigration debate seems to have reinvigorated members of the antigovernment militias of the 1990s. Those groups largely disbanded after the Oklahoma City bombing orchestrated by militia groupie Timothy McVeigh and, later, the failure of a Y2K bug to trigger the mass chaos some militia members expected. "We've seen people from Missouri and Kentucky militias involved in border-vigilante activity, especially with the gung-ho Arizona group Ranch Rescue that used face paint, military uniforms and weapons," says Mark Pitcavage, fact-finding director of the ADL. "It's a natural shift. Militias fell on hard times, and this anti-immigration movement is new and fresh."

One leader who has morphed from militiaman to Minuteman is Mike Vanderboegh, 53, of Pinson, Ala. Once the "commander" of what he called the First Alabama Cavalry Regiment Constitutional Militia, which published antiterrorism screeds, Vanderboegh is the past Alabama state director of the Minutemen. He has advocated hurling bricks through the windows of Congress members who support giving illegal immigrants the same rights as U.S. citizens. Those bricks, he says, should be used to build a wall sealing the U.S. off from Mexico. He argues that the open borders facilitate drug trafficking and the sexual exploitation of immigrant women.

Vanderboegh says he is not a racist, and he has taken pains to distance himself from neo-Nazis. He acknowledges that anti-immigrant sentiment is giving the Klan "fertile ground for recruiting," whereas a few years ago "they could have held a convention in a phone booth." "Illegal immigration and the destruction of the rule of law is social napalm, and people are running around with matches," he warns. "One day it will go off."

—With reporting by Christopher Maag/Cleveland, Verna Gates/Birmingham


RealityChuck
Jun 07 2006 12:53 PM

Not surprising. Immigration control is nearly always racism. It's not the fact that the people are coming in illegally: it's that they're different and they don't speak the language and they're taking jobs away from Americans.

The same arguements were being made 100 years ago, when the target were Jews, Italians, Poles, and Irish (well, the language arguement wasn't made for them). From the start, the barriers were against the "undesirables" (e.g., Jews, Italians, Poles, etc.) but if you were a WASP, it was OK.

This is just more of the same.

Edgy DC
Jun 07 2006 12:55 PM

]What I find scary are the militiamen armed to the gills patroling the borders, and this week in Time I read a very scary article on how the illiegal immigration issue is bringing together Neo-Nazies, white supremacists and the militiamen in a common cause.


Dont' be so scared I think they've long found common cause. Though hardcore Klansman fear Nazi youth, they'll tell ye', cause their Daddy fought the Nazis to preserve the country. I also think half the dues for the Klan is being paid for by FBI agents.

There are certainly people keying in on this issue because it gives them a legitimate outlet for their fear and hate, but I don't think it's going to go a long way in making hate cooler.

metirish
Jun 07 2006 01:25 PM

Speaking of hate, Ann Coulter had this to say about the 9/11 widows in her new book and on the Today show...

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Ann Coulter lambasts some 9/11 widows in new book




THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

June 7, 2006, 10:07 AM EDT


The group of outspoken 9/11 widows who pushed for the commission to investigate the attacks are "self-obsessed" and act "as if the terrorist attacks happened only to them," conservative author Ann Coulter charges in her new book.

Coulter appeared on NBC's "Today" show on Tuesday, marking the release of "Godless: The Church of Liberalism," and reiterated her stance, saying the women used their grief "to make a political point." In her book, Coulter said, "I've never seen people enjoying their husbands' deaths so much." The women are Kristen Breitweiser, Lorie Van Auken, Mindy Kleinberg and Patty Casazza of New Jersey.

Coulter refers to them as the "Witches of East Brunswick," the New Jersey town where two of them live.

"Having my husband burn alive in a building brought me no joy," Van Auken told the Daily News in Wednesday's editions in response to Coulter.

"She sounds like a very disturbed, unraveled person," Breitweiser said.



I'd start a new thread but I just don't think she is worth it.

Yancy Street Gang
Jun 07 2006 01:28 PM

I don't know why people pay attention to the antics of Ann Coulter.

Or Anna Benson. Or Madonna.

Edgy DC
Jun 07 2006 01:38 PM

Reason 719 to take a pass on the Today show.