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IGT 06/14/06: NY Mets @ Philles - Game 2 - El Duque vs Myers

GYC Jun 14 2006 07:01 PM

NY Mets AB R H RBI BB K LOB Season Avg J. Reyes ss 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .251 P. Lo Duca c 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .290 C. Beltran cf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .295 C. Delgado 1b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .264 D. Wright 3b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .335 J. Valentin 2b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .279 E. Chavez rf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .300 L. Milledge lf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .255 O. Hernandez p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .158 Totals 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Philadelphia AB R H RBI BB K LOB Season Avg J. Rollins ss 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .257 C. Utley 2b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .305 B. Abreu rf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .287 R. Howard 1b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .293 A. Rowand cf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .287 D. Dellucci lf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .267 D. Bell 3b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .264 C. Coste c 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000 B. Myers p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .036 Totals 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

The Big O Jun 14 2006 07:04 PM

Orel just said Ryan Howard "may be the best young hitter in baseball". Psst, Bulldog ... other dugout.

Nymr83 Jun 14 2006 07:09 PM

Pujols isn't "young" anymore?

Zvon Jun 14 2006 07:11 PM

LoDuca doubles to Delucci.

GYC Jun 14 2006 07:13 PM

Delgado doubles in the Mets 7th consecutive 1st-inning run. First time in 40+ innings Myers has allowed a 1st inning run.

GYC Jun 14 2006 07:13 PM

Wright with an RBI single!

Zvon Jun 14 2006 07:14 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 14 2006 07:22 PM

And Delgado knocks him in with a double to center. Not like Rowand to misplay a ball off that wall out there. Phils are playing nervous. And Davey drives in Delgado with a knock up the middle!.

Nymr83 Jun 14 2006 07:16 PM

pounding the ball is fun.

Zvon Jun 14 2006 07:21 PM

GYC wrote: First time in 40+ innings Myers has allowed a 1st inning run. I think you have to call Myers their ace. He would be the one to play stopper. But you cant stop a steamroller with a peashooter.

Zvon Jun 14 2006 07:26 PM

The Phils announcers sure do miss Richie Ashburn. They always bring him up, or one of his Whiteyisms. He was good in the booth for an old sourpuss. ElDouque makes a FOOL out of Abreu with a snappy curve for strike 3. 2-0 Mets.

GYC Jun 14 2006 07:26 PM

That was a nasty curve.

Zvon Jun 14 2006 07:30 PM

ewww--that was a perfect fastball Myers Ks Milledge with. O'Hernandez singles-ha!

Zvon Jun 14 2006 07:35 PM

Another error by Phils 3rd baseman Bell loads em up. Bell is usually very sound at third. And Myers walks in a run--how bout that?

Zvon Jun 14 2006 07:39 PM

Reyes is unsettling Myers with his dance down the third baseline with the Delgado shift on. But apparently not enough, as he strikes out Carlos with some borderline pitches.

Zvon Jun 14 2006 07:45 PM

Ouch- A not so great turn of events as Delgado errors an easy grounder off Howard and ElDouque hits Rowand with a pitch. 1st and 2nd for the Phils,0 out.

A Boy Named Seo Jun 14 2006 07:49 PM

Ryan Howard is not the best, young baserunner in baseball.

TheOldMole Jun 14 2006 07:49 PM

How bad are these guys, exactly? I've never seen such total self-destruction. Do the Mets intimidate them that much?

TransMonk Jun 14 2006 07:50 PM

Phillies look like a AAA team tonight. They're better than this, but I'll take it.

Zvon Jun 14 2006 07:50 PM

WOW! Beltran makes a great over the shoulder grab of Bells deep fly, and Howard really screws up with some awful baserunning and is caught between 2nd and 3rd. What he was doing there, i dont know--but he went back and must have thought the ball got away--cuz he went to tag.

GYC Jun 14 2006 07:51 PM

Kaboom for D.Wright!

Zvon Jun 14 2006 07:52 PM

on an 0-2 fatball.

GYC Jun 14 2006 07:53 PM

Rowand almost caught that. I would have been PISSED.

A Boy Named Seo Jun 14 2006 07:54 PM

Cue circus music...

GYC Jun 14 2006 07:54 PM

RBI single Milledge! 5-0 Mets!

Johnny Dickshot Jun 14 2006 07:55 PM

Could this be any more demoralizing for the Phillies?

Zvon Jun 14 2006 07:56 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 14 2006 07:56 PM

Rowand cant work his magic this time! Chavez triples off his glove as he almost pulls another Willie Mays type of catch. I cant believe Abreu tried to get Chavex at home off Miledge's single to right. And I cant believe he almost had him! Milledge takes 2nd on the effort.

TransMonk Jun 14 2006 07:56 PM

Rowand pulled up like he was scared of the wall. I wonder why?

GYC Jun 14 2006 07:57 PM

Triple for Jose! 6-0 Mets!

Willets Point Jun 14 2006 07:57 PM

THE BAD NEWS BEARS IN THE CITY OF BROTHERLY LOVE (2006, PG) Wacky hikinks ensue when a little league team of loveable misfits disguise themselves as a major league baseball team.

Johnny Dickshot Jun 14 2006 07:57 PM

Maybe they're trying to get Manuel fired.

Mr. Zero Jun 14 2006 07:58 PM

Sure looks like they're trying to lose on purpose.

Zvon Jun 14 2006 07:58 PM

And I cant believe that deep fly goes off Abreus glove! Reyes takes 3 bases on it. They score that a triple but that had error written all over it!. And Myers has been knocked out of the box.

A Boy Named Seo Jun 14 2006 07:58 PM

What up with Abreu? He seems to freak out when he gets close to the wall. Moreso than most other guys. Anyone recall if he smacked into one sometime?

Johnny Dickshot Jun 14 2006 07:59 PM

TransMonk wrote: Rowand pulled up like he was scared of the wall. I wonder why? I'll never foprget that game, since it took place while Ms. Dickshot was butching it out in labor. I think she hurt worse.

Willets Point Jun 14 2006 08:07 PM

There goes the no-hitter.

Elster88 Jun 14 2006 08:08 PM

This park sucks.

Zvon Jun 14 2006 08:09 PM

That pesky Ultley doubles.>:(

GYC Jun 14 2006 08:12 PM

El Duque is imploding... And now it is raining. Fuck.

Nymr83 Jun 14 2006 08:13 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 14 2006 08:14 PM

if you blow this lead you should never start a game in a met uniform again. the phillies got 2, we've only played 3 and the rain is coming

Zvon Jun 14 2006 08:13 PM

A Boy Named Seo wrote: What up with Abreu? He seems to freak out when he gets close to the wall. Moreso than most other guys. Anyone recall if he smacked into one sometime? He's been playing like that all season. That wall comes on you quick out there in right. Wait until you see a challanging wall ball to left- Burrell has the same ailment, and he'll be fun to watch. Abreu can hit tho, and usually does when the Phils are down. he knocks in Utley and--- it starts to rain. This game BETTER NOT end up like the one when the Mets were here last road trip. LoDuke throws one into center--one that Reyes should have handled and Abreu steals second.

Zvon Jun 14 2006 08:17 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 14 2006 08:18 PM

Howard pops out. So Rollins has homered 3 times the last two games. Not good. 6-2 mets, and I get this feeling they are gonna need more. And Beltran hears me and doubles down the 1st baseline. man-he smoked that down the line!

Elster88 Jun 14 2006 08:17 PM

Abreu is a weenie.

Zvon Jun 14 2006 08:19 PM

And Delgado drives in Beltran with a single up what can only be considered the middle, the way they play him.

Nymr83 Jun 14 2006 08:25 PM

fuckin shit the tarp is coming out.

GYC Jun 14 2006 08:26 PM

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Zvon Jun 14 2006 08:26 PM

Hernandez does not look long for this game. And now its pourin! If they roll out the tarp---and they are--i wonder if it wouldnt be wise to shelf ElDouque for the night and run a fresh arm out there after the delay.

ScarletKnight41 Jun 14 2006 08:26 PM

We're in a rain delay :(

GYC Jun 14 2006 08:27 PM

Nymr83 Jun 14 2006 08:28 PM

get Oliver up, duque hasn't been sharp and we might as well use the rain to get him out of there.

Willets Point Jun 14 2006 08:29 PM

It sure rains a lot in Philadelphia. It would've been nice if it was an official game and they called it with the Mets ahead.

Zvon Jun 14 2006 08:34 PM

If the delay isnt that long-maybe stick with Hernandez and try to get afew more out of him. The way he was starting to look tho, i dont think any delay is gonna help him. He was starting to look uncontrolled. If its longer than 15 minutes---I wouldnt mind seein Oliver for 2 to 4. Sanchez can do an inning. Bradford in a fix. If it gets close we got Wags in the 9th.

Elster88 Jun 14 2006 08:34 PM

Ed Kranepool on my TV. He was at David's golf torunament.

Nymr83 Jun 14 2006 08:37 PM

]If its longer than 15 minutes i don't think you'd pull the tarp out if it was going to end that soon, it takes a few minutes to get on and 10 to get off, thats on top of the time its sitting there during the actual rain, i think the "minimum" rain delay is 30 minutes or so, at least i've never seen one shorter

Elster88 Jun 14 2006 08:37 PM

Keith Miller is Wright's agent. Yes, that Keith Miller.

SteveJRogers Jun 14 2006 08:45 PM

Elster88 wrote: Keith Miller is Wright's agent. Yes, that Keith Miller. Get that in the "Where Have You Gone..." thread

Zvon Jun 14 2006 08:50 PM

Nymr83 wrote: ]If its longer than 15 minutes i don't think you'd pull the tarp out if it was going to end that soon, it takes a few minutes to get on and 10 to get off, thats on top of the time its sitting there during the actual rain, i think the "minimum" rain delay is 30 minutes or so, at least i've never seen one shorter yep-you got a point there. ]Keith Miller is Wright's agent. Yes, that Keith Miller. no shit.

OlerudOwned Jun 14 2006 09:01 PM

Anti-Rain Dance Time

Zvon Jun 14 2006 09:06 PM

OlerudOwned wrote: Anti-Rain Dance Time looks like they all got hit by lightning. Nady went 2 for 4 with a double in his rehab start the other day. Floyds almost ready to return. Should be interesting to see whats gonna happen when they return, cuz they are gonna start and play, at least for a time. I wont even acknowledge the Cliffy trade talk. I personally would like to see Milledge up and on the bench, gellin with the team and being influenced on a major league level by the likes of Delgado, Beltran and Wright.

metirish Jun 14 2006 09:22 PM

We are back , Oliver pitching for the Mets...

ScarletKnight41 Jun 14 2006 09:23 PM

The tarp is off the field. Change the title of the thread - it's Darren Oliver vs. The Phillies.

Zvon Jun 14 2006 09:26 PM

="metirish"]We are back , Oliver pitching for the Mets... I ripped this from someone here--whoever it was, thanks. Its a great graphic with soooooo many possible uses.

Zvon Jun 14 2006 09:32 PM

WOW! Delgado flashes some leather! Nice.

Johnny Dickshot Jun 14 2006 09:35 PM

Manuel should keep walking, cuz he's probably going to be fired by the end of this series.

ScarletKnight41 Jun 14 2006 09:36 PM

Jerry Manuel is thrown out for arguing balls and strikes. It's 7-2 Mets after four complete innings. 1 inning to go!

Zvon Jun 14 2006 09:36 PM

Go play some cards Charlie! Manuel gets tossed after Bell gets rung up on a questionable strike 3 call. And he's still jawin--gettin his moneys worth before headin for the clubhouse,lol. Oliver has a relitively smooth inning, thanks to Delgados glove work and that umps bad call..

Edgy DC Jun 14 2006 09:36 PM

]Get that in the "Where Have You Gone..." thread It's there.

metirish Jun 14 2006 09:37 PM

]Manuel should keep walking, cuz he's probably going to be fired by the end of this series. Yeah if not at the end of this series then soon, he's the manager in some part because of Jim thome and the current GM didn't hire him so he's fukced.

Zvon Jun 14 2006 09:37 PM

Johnny Dickshot wrote: Manuel should keep walking, cuz he's probably going to be fired by the end of this series. This would really surprise me.

Edgy DC Jun 14 2006 09:38 PM

Nymr83 wrote: if you blow this lead you should never start a game in a met uniform again. Coach Roy Turner, ladies and gents.

Edgy DC Jun 14 2006 09:44 PM

Lame defensive boners and spacey baserunning mistakes pretty much characterized the Diamondbacks performance also. Getting outhit and outpitched is one thing, but the teams the Mets are running into are beating themselves as badly as the Mets are beating them.

Zvon Jun 14 2006 09:45 PM

yow! The wind must be pretty wicked for Utley to let that Millidge pop make a fool out of him. Another Philly error. Foul ball tho, and Millege gives em an easier pop up to handle. And they catch it :O Oliver bats and lines out hard to right.

Zvon Jun 14 2006 09:50 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 14 2006 10:03 PM

="Edgy DC"]Lame defensive boners and spacey baserunning mistakes pretty much characterized the Diamondbacks performance also. Getting outhit and outpitched is one thing, but the teams the Mets are running into are beating themselves as badly as the Mets are beating them. this is true.

Zvon Jun 14 2006 09:58 PM

Oliver Ks Howard with 3 pitches and two on base! If the Mets can always handle Howard like that, they will never have anything to worry about when playing the Phils. Well,...except Utley and Burrell and...Rollins can go on that list now , and..... ok--Ill shut up.

Frayed Knot Jun 14 2006 10:04 PM

A Boy Named Seo wrote: What up with Abreu? He seems to freak out when he gets close to the wall. Moreso than most other guys. Anyone recall if he smacked into one sometime? I've always thought Abreu to be a very indifferent outfielder ... or at least he can be one at times. And not just heading for the wall either. It just seems like he can lose interest at times, not charge balls well, take weird routes to fly balls, etc., last year's Gold Glove notwithstanding. Good player but something about that guy has always bugged me and I get the opinion that I wouldn't like him on my team despite all his obvious talent.

Zvon Jun 14 2006 10:07 PM

cripes- I just realized that Burrell isnt even playing left tonight. You would have thought LoDucas first inning double, which I noted, would have clued me in.

Zvon Jun 14 2006 10:10 PM

Lead off double for Rowand. Not up enough for Beltran to catch up to that. Oliver looks like he's laboring. But it would really be nice to get afew more innings from him. Rowand tags to third on a deep fly to center by DeLucci.

Edgy DC Jun 14 2006 10:12 PM

Rowand attempts to join the dumb baserunning parade, tagging at second and coming into third standing and nearly getting nailed on an off-line throw.

Frayed Knot Jun 14 2006 10:13 PM

Good thing we don't see anymore of those 'sit in front of the plate and sweep tag' manuvers now that Piazza is gone.

Zvon Jun 14 2006 10:15 PM

ewww- Rowand tags but Chavez makes it close with an excellent throw. I think it was you that brought up Endys arm afew days ago Frayed Knot, and maybe Willie DID know what he was sayin there about Chavez's arm. He threw that across his body going away for a real nice peg to the plate. 7-3 Mets.

Zvon Jun 14 2006 10:23 PM

Valentin hammers a lead off double to right. More runs please. Phils force our hand by walking Lastings and Mr Franco will pinch hit for Oliver.

Zvon Jun 14 2006 10:26 PM

Can you believe Abreu does it again!??? Misplays a catchable fly at the wall off Mr Francos bat and Mets get another run. Milledge thrown out at the plate tho.

Edgy DC Jun 14 2006 10:26 PM

Frayed Knot wrote: Good thing we don't see anymore of those 'sit in front of the plate and sweep tag' manuvers now that Piazza is gone. Please exit my head.

ScarletKnight41 Jun 14 2006 10:27 PM

That lack of hustle may have sealed the deal on Milledge going back to Norfolk for some seasoning once Nady comes off of the DL.

Zvon Jun 14 2006 10:28 PM

Didnt we see Feliciano for 2 last night? Im surprised to see him get the ball.

GYC Jun 14 2006 10:30 PM

ScarletKnight41 wrote: That lack of hustle may have sealed the deal on Milledge going back to Norfolk for some seasoning once Nady comes off of the DL. Immediately after that play was over, I'd moved Woodward or Valentin to LF and the other to 2B.

ScarletKnight41 Jun 14 2006 10:31 PM

Keith and Howie said pretty much the same thing as I did, right after I posted.

Zvon Jun 14 2006 10:32 PM

Well--what do i know?--I thought Burrell was out in left. --he has a smooth 1-2-3 inning. Ks the pesky Utley.

Zvon Jun 14 2006 10:36 PM

loDuca crushes one to center but the wind keeps in in the park. Harry K says last night that would a hit the clock out there,lol.

ScarletKnight41 Jun 14 2006 10:40 PM

6 Phillies outs to go and a 6-run Mets lead. Every Mets starter in this game has had a hit and has scored a run. This is going to be another game where there just won't be enough Schaefer to go around.

Rockin' Doc Jun 14 2006 10:43 PM

Damn, I didn't even know this game was on ESPN until last inning. I'm so accustomed to not seeing the Mets games unless they're playing the Braves or Cubs that I forgot to even check the listing or schedule.

TransMonk Jun 14 2006 10:49 PM

Fish beat the Braves...again. 6-5 in 10.

ScarletKnight41 Jun 14 2006 10:54 PM

Thick Legged Heath Bell is coming in to pitch the 9th with a 6-run lead.

Zvon Jun 14 2006 11:01 PM

A strike out wild pitch safe at first- wacky. They changed that to a past ball. And that Bell liner to left almost eats up Milledge. whew.

ScarletKnight41 Jun 14 2006 11:01 PM

Milledge atones for his prior lack of hustle with a NICE catch. 2 outs to go!

Rockin' Doc Jun 14 2006 11:02 PM

That's seven straight wins for the good guys! This is really getting to be fun.

Zvon Jun 14 2006 11:03 PM

A double play ends it! Mets win 9-3! Mets are 8 1/2 games up on the Phils and 12 games up on the Braves! :)

Johnny Dickshot Jun 14 2006 11:03 PM

Seven! Seven in a row! Eight! Eight-and-one on the road trip! Eight and a half! Eight and a half game lead!

ScarletKnight41 Jun 14 2006 11:04 PM

And a double play ends the game. The Mets win! The Mets WIN!!!!

Hillbilly Jun 14 2006 11:06 PM

Zvon Jun 14 2006 11:09 PM

Zvon Jun 14 2006 11:18 PM

Odd and surprising note (and Ive seen my share of Phils games cuz they are on local TV here, and I find this hard to believe): Abreu gets no errors on the balls to the wall (maybe rightly so), but he gets an error on the throw he made to the plate on the Milledge single that miraculously almost got Chavez (a great throw that got away from the Phils catcher), and THAT was Abreus first error of the season. Thats pretty wack.

Frayed Knot Jun 14 2006 11:26 PM

Y'see, that's part of my problem with Abreu defensively. He cruises back to balls (or in ... or over) rather than getting to the spot where they're going to be, and, because of that, justmisses stuff he should - or at least could - be getting to. Instead, no error is charged so there's no record to show that he played a lousy defensive RF. And the funny part about tonight is that the error on the throw really should have been on the catcher; he lost the ball on the swipe tag.

Elster88 Jun 15 2006 08:49 AM

When Milledge scored with the walkoff run on a short fly out to the outfield a couple weeks ago, I mentioned that he was looking over his shoulder the whole darn time. And if he had been tagged out that would've been the reason why. Seriously does no one teach these punks to run? His play wasn't so much a matter of lack of hustle yesterday, it was just stupidity....watching the ball when you shouldn't be.

Elster88 Jun 15 2006 08:55 AM

Though, the idea that he should be sent down solely on the basis of that play is as silly as the idea that he should stay up because he hit well for the first two weeks he was here. Examine the package as a whole. Right now I see a .255 hitter who is an above average to excellent outfielder.

Elster88 Jun 15 2006 08:56 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 15 2006 09:34 AM

Elster88 Jun 15 2006 09:08 AM

The kid's already getting snippy? ]Asked if he thought he should have scored, Milledge replied, "I could have, should have, didn't, but we won the game, so it doesn't matter."

Edgy DC Jun 15 2006 09:40 AM

I was buried on the bench of a Babe Ruth team and miserable as heck. We got into the playoffs by winning the second half title with a lousy 6-4 record. (We were 2-8 the first half, so our playoff spot was surprising.) Come the playoff game against the first-half champs, I catch a break because only 10 or 11 players show up and the creepy screaming manager who buried me is on vacation in sunny Florida. So I get a start in (where else?) right field and, in the sixth inning of a tie game, I drive a triple to right center, shocking my teammates who were sure I was a scrub. On the next play Don (E. Donald) Gessner --- a good kid who shouldn't have been starting in the infield over me, but he was the commissioner's son or something --- tapped out to the infield, and I scored the go-ahead run. In the bottom of the inning, with Scott Pastor on third a short fly is hit to me in right. The ball seems to be jumping all over, but I charge like a bull and I catch the sucker and prepare to throw. By the time I released the ball I was maybe 30 feet short of the infield arc, but my arm was awful and the ball probably came to a stop halway between the mound and the plate. No matter, because we got Pastor on an appeal play, so we won the game with my bat and my defense sort of. But this isn't a story of how my jerk-ass manager came back from Florida and still proceeded to bench me as we got swept in the championship series. No. It could be, but it's not. Here's the thing, my sudden offense impressed much of my team. But my friend Danny Welch, who knew I could hit, and knew I could catch (but not throw), rode me mercilessly for watching the ball and getting merely a triple instead of a homer. "Was I watching it?" "Edgy, you were fucking taking movies!" "Oh, well, we won the..." "If you say we won the game, I swear I'll kick your ass right here in front of everybody." "C'mon, we..." "I'm serious. I won't punch you. I'lll take this aluminum bat to your lollygagging skull. They bury you behind Elmo Donald Gessner all season and when you finally get to show what you can do you hit the ball and then whip out a sketchbook to draw how pretty it looked." Two years later, we were driving past the field, and Welchy told me to pulleover. I asked him why, and he said he thought I might like to waste more time admiring the scene of my triumphant triple-that-should-have-been-a-homer. Danny was my Cliff Floyd.

Johnny Dickshot Jun 15 2006 11:20 AM

The physical resemblance is striking, too:

Centerfield Jun 15 2006 11:45 AM

Great story. Everything that needed to be said about Lastings has been said already. That issue aside, this season is fun. I love how the Mets are winning by adhering to the old adage that says you try to take 2 out of 3 at home and play .888 ball on the road.

Centerfield Jun 15 2006 11:55 AM

Google search for Elmo Donald Gessner came up empty...but I did find this guy who goes by his first name only: I would be pretty pissed too if I were buried behind that guy.

MFS62 Jun 15 2006 12:04 PM

="Centerfield"]Google search for Elmo Donald Gessner came up empty...but I did find this guy who goes by his first name only: I would be pretty pissed too if I were buried behind that guy. I'd bet he's a pretty good fielder. Looks like he has soft hands. Later

Edgy DC Jun 15 2006 12:14 PM

E. Donald Gessner's name was actually name was actually Edward , but when you go running around a ballpark with an initial initial, you're lucky to walk away with the nickname "Elmo." I imagine G. Thomas Seaver's teammates did worse to him.