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IGT 6/15/06 vs. the Orioles

Nymr83 Jun 16 2006 06:41 PM

getting a late start to the IGT NO. BALTIMORE NEW YORK 1. B. Roberts, 2B J. Reyes, SS 2. B. Fahey, LF P. Lo Duca, C 3. M. Mora, 3B C. Beltran, CF 4. M. Tejada, SS C. Delgado, 1B 5. R. Hernandez, C D. Wright, 3B 6. C. Patterson, CF J. Valentin, 2B 7. K. Millar, 1B C. Woodward, LF 8. N. Markakis, RF L. Milledge, RF 9. E. Bedard, P A. Soler, P woodward gets an out-of-the-blue start in leftfield, is Fahey their normal LFer or did i not read the KTE? will the Mets continue their in-game batting practice? this little piece of information courtesy of espn.com: "Since posting a 2.77 ERA en route to wins in each of his first four starts in 2006, Bedard has gone 1-6 with a 7.26 ERA in his last 10 starts."

KC Jun 16 2006 06:49 PM

Is Floyd approaching a record for not being the DL but being unavailable? SC=87.539%

Nymr83 Jun 16 2006 06:51 PM

If so he's breaking a record probably held by a Met already, it seems to me like we've had this "problem" of guys in limbo between playing and the DL alot over the last 10 years.

Hillbilly Jun 16 2006 07:20 PM

6-4-3. Soler gets out of it!!

Hillbilly Jun 16 2006 07:28 PM

What the hell happened? It was the first inning and the Mets didn't score? I don't understand!

Hillbilly Jun 16 2006 07:38 PM

Soler throws a soft pitch out. Willie needs to ball him out and the press needs to write about this rookie mistake for about a week. I think it's a character flaw. Back to the PBP: Soler leaves two on by inducing the ground out.

Johnny Dickshot Jun 16 2006 08:01 PM

Valentin's alleged "smart" bunt sure looks like a dumb play now. We turned 2nd and 3rd, 0 out into a puny little rally and left a shaky Soler to lead off the next inning. The error obviously didn;t help either.

Johnny Dickshot Jun 16 2006 08:06 PM

Hernandez evidently calls DeMuth a cough sufferer and will watch the rest of the game in the clubhouse. Nice job for Soler to K out the side after an error and 2 hits give the O's a lead.

KC Jun 16 2006 08:38 PM

Nice to hear Ralph in the booth ... gotta love it. Through 5 1/2, Mets down 2-1. Soler has hit a stride of sorts, I think ex- tinguising at least the last eight or nine.

The Big O Jun 16 2006 08:53 PM

Valentin gets the first Met hit off Bedard, who walks Woody. Bedard's heard about LM's attitude, so he fans him. Then Alay sacs, Reyes delivers a 2-out 2-rib double and then steals 3rd. Plod F8 to end the inning. 3-2 Mets.

Nymr83 Jun 16 2006 08:53 PM

Mets lead 3-2 on the Reyes double! Reyes steals 3rd and says "fuck you Patterson, i'm the MLB steals king"

Nymr83 Jun 16 2006 09:18 PM

Soler left after 6. in the 7th, Roberts with an rbi grounder to tie it at 3. wheres the love in the "welcome home" IGT? 11 posts? bah!

ScarletKnight41 Jun 16 2006 09:18 PM

Damn - tie game in the 7th as Heilman walks the first two batters and Delgado bobbles a ball at first. Soler can't get the win.

MFS62 Jun 16 2006 09:18 PM

F'n formula pitching. Soler had thrown 101 pitches, With the bottom of the order coming up, he had an other inning in him. What makes a decent relief pitcher is not only stuff, but the ability to snap back after pitching the day before (physically and mentally). Maybe Heilman is a better starter just because he thinks he is one. Later

The Big O Jun 16 2006 09:19 PM

Walks kill.

Nymr83 Jun 16 2006 09:19 PM

Reyes can't make the diving catch and its 4-3 Orioles :(

ScarletKnight41 Jun 16 2006 09:19 PM

Reyes can't make what would have been a spectacular catch, and the Orioles regain the lead.

ScarletKnight41 Jun 16 2006 09:23 PM

Mora's homer gives the Orioles a 3-run lead. Heilman hasn't been effective in a while, has he?

GYC Jun 16 2006 09:25 PM

ScarletKnight41 wrote: Mora's homer gives the Orioles a 3-run lead. Heilman hasn't been effective in a while, has he? He hasn't been below average, let alone effective. Downright bad.

TransMonk Jun 16 2006 09:25 PM

Not since Soler got called up. Hmmm...

SteveJRogers Jun 16 2006 09:27 PM

GYC wrote: ="ScarletKnight41"]Mora's homer gives the Orioles a 3-run lead. Heilman hasn't been effective in a while, has he? He hasn't been below average, let alone effective. Downright bad. Maybe it really is a head problem, he wants to be a starter he's sabootaging his relief apperances! SC=100

Nymr83 Jun 16 2006 09:30 PM

pitching well gets you kept in relief because you're good at it, pitching poorly doesnt get you a shot at the rotation. if you're heilman and really want to start you'll have to wait for free agency and sign with a team (Cincinatti? Pitsburgh? Texas?) that will promise to start you.

Johnny Dickshot Jun 16 2006 09:43 PM

Heilman Thru 3-inning MFY game 5/19: 23.1 IP, 0 HR, 23/6 K/BB 1.42 ERA Post 3-inning MFY game 5/19: 12.2 IP, 3 HR, 7/9 K/BB, 8.56 ERA Yeow.

TransMonk Jun 16 2006 09:44 PM

Been a while since we needed one...but it's time to rally with song: In the day we sweat it out in the streets of a runaway american dream At night we ride through mansions of glory in suicide machines Sprung from cages out on highway 9, Chrome wheeled, fuel injected and steppin out over the line Baby this town rips the bones from your back Its a death trap, its a suicide rap We gotta get out while were young `cause tramps like us, baby we were born to run Wendy let me in I wanna be your friend I want to guard your dreams and visions Just wrap your legs round these velvet rims And strap your hands across my engines Together we could break this trap Well run till we drop, baby well never go back Will you walk with me out on the wire `cause baby Im just a scared and lonely rider But I gotta find out how it feels I want to know if love is wild, girl I want to know if love is real Beyond the palace hemi-powered drones scream down the boulevard The girls comb their hair in rearview mirrors And the boys try to look so hard The amusement park rises bold and stark Kids are huddled on the beach in a mist I wanna die with you wendy on the streets tonight In an everlasting kiss The highways jammed with broken heroes on a last chance power drive Everybodys out on the run tonight but theres no place left to hide Together wendy well live with the sadness Ill love you with all the madness in my soul Someday girl I dont know when were gonna get to that place Where we really want to go and well walk in the sun But till then tramps like us baby we were born to run

Johnny Dickshot Jun 16 2006 09:49 PM

LoDuca will not sing that song.

*62 Jun 16 2006 09:59 PM

="Johnny Dickshot"]Heilman Thru 3-inning MFY game 5/19: 23.1 IP, 0 HR, 23/6 K/BB 1.42 ERA Post 3-inning MFY game 5/19: 12.2 IP, 3 HR, 7/9 K/BB, 8.56 ERA Yeow. Great Ceasar's Ghost !

Nymr83 Jun 16 2006 10:00 PM

Win streak over. Still, I can't remember being this happy after a loss ever, its nice to have a huge lead isn't it?

KC Jun 16 2006 10:01 PM

Melvin Mora, clap-clap-clapclapclap!

SteveJRogers Jun 16 2006 10:33 PM

BTW the Phillies rebounded nicely from the disater that was this week against the Mets by scoring 4 runs in Tampa. They gave up 10! BOS 4 ATL 1 in the 9th Watch out for the Marlins! They are leading 3-1 in the 9th against Toronto!

Frayed Knot Jun 17 2006 12:34 AM

First time all year I can remember second-guessing Willie because I thought he pulled a starter too early. Soler was cruising and the pitch count wasn't all THAT high and was due to hit next inning. I would have like to see him start that inning and pull him if/when he got into trouble. That said we lost because Heilman suxxed, Delgado got a case of the fumbles, and we got a whopping total of 5 hits. Listening to late-night talk radio however, we never have won or will win another game as long as Willie is at the helm. 2nd loss in two weeks and it's downright fuckin' vicious.

Zvon Jun 17 2006 02:05 AM

A tuff and short IGT here. I didnt miss much. Soler pitched well enough. Another inning from him would have been a prudent course. For what its worth, Bedard also may have had another inning in him. They pull him to bunt with a pinch hitter. Silly. It was a big bunt tho, that resulted in the Orioles scoring 4 times. Delgado allowed them to continue a rally, tho that wont be reflected in any box score. He had options if he picks that grounder clean ( i didnt see the game, but discirtions of the event makes it look like he messed up at least that much. Heilman gave it up. Walks kill. Thats the bottom line here. (besides our offense was a lil laggy) ] The four-run seventh continued Heilman's recent struggles. "Heilman should pitch way over the top," pitching coach Rick Peterson said. "But he's reverting to a three-quarters delivery." "It's certainly been a work in progress," Heilman said. "I definitely feel better than I did a week ago. I threw a couple of pretty good pitches that just missed. I wasn't missing by a lot. Then a couple of bloops and a hanging changeup." But you walk the two leadoff batters, you are creating you own hole to dig yourself out of. And then the last thing you want to do is hang a changeup to Mora. Mora makes the best of the "ex team factor". We're not gonna win em all, but I do think its healthy when we pick apart the things that could have changed the outcome of the game. Hielman takes the brunt of it.

Elster88 Jun 17 2006 09:40 AM

Hillbilly wrote: Soler throws a soft pitch out. Willie needs to ball him out and the press needs to write about this rookie mistake for about a week. I think it's a character flaw. Back to the PBP: Soler leaves two on by inducing the ground out. What is a "soft pitch out"?

Elster88 Jun 17 2006 09:52 AM

="Johnny Dickshot"]Heilman Thru 3-inning MFY game 5/19: 23.1 IP, 0 HR, 23/6 K/BB 1.42 ERA Post 3-inning MFY game 5/19: 12.2 IP, 3 HR, 7/9 K/BB, 8.56 ERA Yeow. Put him in the rotation NOW!!!!

Nymr83 Jun 17 2006 10:04 AM

Elster88 wrote: What is a "soft pitch out"? tossing the ball home rather than gunning it to give the catcher as much time as possible i'd guess, i didnt see the play though

Edgy DC Jun 17 2006 12:17 PM

We lost this game because the thread was mis-titled.

metsmarathon Jun 17 2006 01:29 PM

i was disgusted at how much booing i was hearing as heilman walked off the field. we just won 8 straight, and those idiots boo at the first sign of struggle? get the hell out of my stadium!

Iubitul Jun 17 2006 01:36 PM

Those were the fans Chipper was talking about....

DocTee Jun 17 2006 01:43 PM

]We lost this game because the thread was mis-titled. I blame the black hat/black shirt combo at home.

Yancy Street Gang Jun 17 2006 01:44 PM

I didn't like Soler sitting after 6 innings. Ron Darling, thought it was a good move, though. Said that it's best to get Soler out of the game while he still has a positive feeling. My fear, which turned out to be warranted, was that his good feeling would get snuffed by the bullpen blowing his nice game. I wanted Soler to pitch the 7th.

Johnny Dickshot Jun 17 2006 05:09 PM

DocTee wrote: ]We lost this game because the thread was mis-titled. I blame the black hat/black shirt combo at home. The whole playoff roster thread being posted, then exploded, practically guarateed an ugly losing skein.

Nymr83 Jun 17 2006 05:17 PM

yeah, definetaly the playoff thread's fault, my mis-titling the thread shouldnt matter, i'm not the ine who fucked with the baseball gods. as for the booing, thats what happens when you give up 4 runs in an inning, you don't like it? don't pitch for a living.

metsmarathon Jun 17 2006 06:01 PM

i don't like it, and i don't pitch for a living. it makes met fans appear to be comprised of a bunch of turn-coat jerome-from-manhattans. i mean, is heilman really deserving of new whipping boy status?

Frayed Knot Jun 17 2006 06:15 PM

These arguments about booing genrally bore me ... but whatdahell. On the one hand you can make the case that they're booing the individual performance and not the player. A 4-run 7th inning is pretty ugly. On the other, it usually strikes me more as; 'WAH ... everything's not going perfectly so I'm gonna blame the goat-du-jour as loud as I can' So, particularly after close to two weeks of near-perfection, the reaction just seems so disproportionate to the "crime". That was my beef with the late-night radio chatter I heard briefly. I have no problem with 2nd-guessing the manager (or whatever), I just thought it sounded too much like; 'WAH ... I disagree w/Willie's pitching change therefore he's a losing, choking, ex-Yanqui scum who should be fired immediately!!!!'

Edgy DC Jun 17 2006 06:24 PM

]as for the booing, thats what happens when you give up 4 runs in an inning Actually, no.

Nymr83 Jun 17 2006 06:53 PM

] i mean, is heilman really deserving of new whipping boy status? who the heck said anything about turning him into a whipping boy? he was booed for a HORRIBLE performance as he left the field, not the next day or a week later, ]Actually, no. Actually, yes.

metsmarathon Jun 17 2006 08:37 PM

one bad inning while the team is playing 0.800 ball. BOO!!! c'mon... with that, boo if you want. i'll still think it's stupid.

Nymr83 Jun 17 2006 08:50 PM

]metsmarathon 160) Kaz Matsui SS, 2B 2004 BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! hehehe, too easy

Edgy DC Jun 17 2006 09:02 PM

]Actually, yes. No, that's what people choose to do or don't. Saying it's something that happens is an evasive switch into the passive. I assure you numerous times it hasn't happened.

Nymr83 Jun 17 2006 09:07 PM

and i'll assure that numerous times it has. how many met home games do you attend per year edgy? i'm at a good dozen minimum and i can assure you that any relief pitcher who gives up 4 runs in an inning will hear a chorus of boos.

Edgy DC Jun 17 2006 09:13 PM

Either it happens all the time by definition or it doesn't.

metsmarathon Jun 18 2006 10:04 AM

i think my point is not wether it does or doesn't, but that it shouldn't. at the very least not in this circumstance. another interesting dialogue would wether it always has or hasn't always. i think that lately, nymr would be right. poor performances get unilaterally booed. problem is, lately, meaning the last few years, the mets have largely sucked, and may have been more deserving of boos. until this year, wherein they do not suck. and it seems to me that having the best record in baseball should quiet the boo birds on the occasion of the first bad inning following a tremendously successful road trip.

Nymr83 Jun 18 2006 10:47 AM

but the "boo birds" weren't on that road trip. the "boo birds" paid $15 for parking, $30 for their ticket, $20 for food (and likely another $30 for beer) TODAY, so they're gonna boo when they see a met pitcher get lit up like a christmas tree.

metsmarathon Jun 18 2006 11:10 AM

there were plenty of mets fans on that road trip, they had all paid a similar expense, some even travelled, and none of them booed.

Nymr83 Jun 18 2006 11:54 AM

metsmarathon wrote: there were plenty of mets fans on that road trip, they had all paid a similar expense, some even travelled, and none of them booed. they didn't have a reason to boo

Elster88 Jun 18 2006 12:25 PM

Nymr83 wrote: but the "boo birds" weren't on that road trip. the "boo birds" paid $15 for parking, $30 for their ticket, $20 for food (and likely another $30 for beer) TODAY, so they're gonna boo when they see a met pitcher get lit up like a christmas tree. I paid money, so I have the right to make a guy feel like shit.

Nymr83 Jun 18 2006 12:39 PM

i'm sure they can take comfort in their very large paychecks. if they want a job where nobody will criticize their poor job performance i hear that McDonalds is hiring.

metsmarathon Jun 18 2006 01:18 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 18 2006 01:30 PM

you've never worked fast food, have you? people act like boors (not boo-ers) when they're buying 99c chicken mcnuggets, too. sometimes moreso. also, this does nothing to move me off my position that you shouldn't treat people like crap by doing things such as booing. if you're getting publicly humiliated by your boss or paying customers, i'm sorry. it doesn't mean you should publicly humiliate others, regardless how well they are getting paid.

Edgy DC Jun 18 2006 01:22 PM

It's not about being a baseball fan. It's class warfare!

Zvon Jun 18 2006 01:28 PM

These boo birds should be cheering the mets throughout this homestand just for the teams performance on that road trip. Heilman may have been a main reason the mets lost that game, but theres no need to boo him for that. See,this is the problem. I dont know if its the media or what, but I assume it is- they give these assholes a name. They pay attention to them and name them and thus create an entity- THE BOO BIRDS. Now there are people that consider themselves that, and think its a worthy calling. Their main goal at a game is finding something to boo at, because they have been told they are a "special" group. So I dont pay much attention to it anymore. You hit 3 homers and if you dont hit a 4rth, and thats the worst that happens that game- youll get booed. Those fans are "special" allright. Short bus special.

Elster88 Jun 18 2006 02:57 PM

I'm sick of this argument.