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BLC - Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds versus The Police

metirish Jun 19 2006 12:44 PM

1. The Mercy Seat 2. The Weeping Song 3. Red Right Hand 4. Do You Love Me 5. For Her To Eternity 6. Were The Wild Roses Grow 7. Papa Won't Leave You Henry 8. (Are You) The One That I've Been Waiting For? 9. Deanna 10. As I Sat Sadly By Her Side http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0000062WD/sr=8-2/qid=1145334138/ref=pd_bbs_2/102-1715857-1819309?%5Fencoding=UTF8

soupcan Jun 19 2006 03:42 PM

Canary In A Coalmine Can't Stand Losing You Next To You Roxanne So Lonely Every Little Thing She Does Is Magic Truth Hits Everybody Tea In The Sahara The Bed's Too Big Without You Walking On The Moon

sharpie Jun 19 2006 04:10 PM

Good matchup for those who know both these bands. Irish, will this be your sole challenge or will there be more?

Edgy DC Jun 19 2006 04:23 PM

vs. "The Mercy Seat" vs. "Canary In A Coalmine" "The Weeping Song" vs. "Can't Stand Losing You" "Red Right Hand" vs. "Next To You" "Do You Love Me?" vs. "Roxanne" "From Her To Eternity" vs. "So Lonely" "Were The Wild Roses Grow" vs. "Every Little Thing She Does Is Magic" "Papa Won't Leave You Henry" vs. "Truth Hits Everybody" "(Are You) The One That I've Been Waiting For?" vs. "Tea In The Sahara" "Deanna" vs. "The Bed's Too Big Without You" "As I Sat Sadly By Her Side" vs. "Walking On The Moon" Interesting Facts: Perhaps as a repayment for Nick Cave covering "Muddy Water" and "The Singer" on Kicking Against the Pricks, Johnny Cash covered Cave's "The Mercy Seat" on American III: Solitary Man. The association would also lead to a duet ("I'm So Lonesome, I Could Cry") on American IV: The Man Comes Around and Nick contributing to the liner notes on The Essential Johnny Cash. His most ambitious liner notes contribution, however, may in fact be his introduction to The Gospel of Mark for The Pocket Canon Bible Series. (So I've read in more than one place, but I can't find a link to the actual publication.) Interesting Facts: The Copelands are a chapter all to themselves in rock music history. The overseas sons of a CIA agent, they all went their spoiled rebellious ways before coming together and making huge marks. Miles founded the groundbreaking IRS records (R.E.M., The Go-Gos, The Fleshtones, Black Sabbath, Oingo Boingo, Over the Rhine, The Buzzcocks, The Alarm, Wall of Voodoo and General Public). Ian (after voluneteering and serving with distinction in Viet Nam) was a booking agent, who represented the Police and many acts on his other brother's label, as well as Iggy Pop, Morrissey, Simple Minds and Nine Inch Nails. He even had the moxie to stay with the Stinger after the Police broke up (until dying less than a month ago). Stewart, even before founding and drumming for the Police, was a teenage member of the Scandanavian art rock band Curved Air, and got a cushy gig from Ian as Joan Armatrading's road manager.

sharpie Jun 19 2006 04:32 PM

"The Mercy Seat" vs. "Canary In A Coalmine" Both good. POLICE win. "The Weeping Song" vs. "Can't Stand Losing You" SEEDS "Red Right Hand" vs. "Next To You" SEEDS in a walk "Do You Love Me?" vs. "Roxanne" POLICE in a walk "From Her To Eternity" vs. "So Lonely" SEEDS "Were The Wild Roses Grow" vs. "Every Little Thing She Does Is Magic" POLICE "Papa Won't Leave You Henry" vs. "Truth Hits Everybody" SEEDS "(Are You) The One That I've Been Waiting For?" vs. "Tea In The Sahara" tie "Deanna" vs. "The Bed's Too Big Without You" SEEDS "As I Sat Sadly By Her Side" vs. "Walking On The Moon" POLICE NICK CAVE & THE BAD SEEDS 5.5 THE POLICE 4.5

Edgy DC Jun 19 2006 05:27 PM

I want like a half dozen songs from Kicking Against the Pricks here.

metirish Jun 20 2006 01:15 PM

The Mercy Seat" vs. "Canary In A Coalmine" - Nive Cave "The Weeping Song" vs. "Can't Stand Losing You" - Nick Cave "Red Right Hand" vs. "Next To You" - Nick Cave "Do You Love Me?" vs. "Roxanne" The Police "From Her To Eternity" vs. "So Lonely" - Nick Cave "Were The Wild Roses Grow" vs. "Every Little Thing She Does Is Magic" - Nick Cave "Papa Won't Leave You Henry" vs. "Truth Hits Everybody" - Nick Cave "(Are You) The One That I've Been Waiting For?" vs. "Tea In The Sahara" - Nick Cave "Deanna" vs. "The Bed's Too Big Without You" - Nick Cave "As I Sat Sadly By Her Side" vs. "Walking On The Moon" The Police Cave 8 - Police - 2 vote people.

seawolf17 Jun 20 2006 01:26 PM

Nick Cave made my ears bleed, and as overrated as I think the Police are, soupy left off "King Of Pain," so I'm going to abstain.

Edgy DC Jun 20 2006 01:50 PM

"The Mercy Seat" vs. "Canary in a Coalmine" =blue]The Police win here. “Mercy Seat” rocks until he does that Patti Smith spoken poetry break. "The Weeping Song" vs. "Can't Stand Losing You" =orange]Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds. "Red Right Hand" vs. "Next To You" =blue]The Police. "Do You Love Me?" vs. "Roxanne" =blue]The Police. Roxanne may be played out, but Cave isn’t getting over on me by half singing a half-written melody. Commit, Nick. "From Her to Eternity" vs. "So Lonely" =blue]The Police. "Were The Wild Roses Grow" vs. "Every Little Thing She Does Is Magic" In our wordiest matchup, I’m going =blue]The Police. I just can’t take seriously a guy who writes a male/female duet with the woman singing the lines When he knocked on my door and entered the room My trembling subsided in his sure embrace He would be my first man, and with a careful hand He wiped at the tears that ran down my face and gets an international sex symbol chick to sing it to him. I mean, you go, guy, but don’t think I don’t see through you. "Papa Won't Leave You Henry" vs. "Truth Hits Everybody" =orange]Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds. "(Are You) The One That I've Been Waiting For?" vs. "Tea In the Sahara" Two stripped down arrangements here, I’m going with the better voice. =orange]Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds. "Deanna" vs. "The Bed's Too Big Without You" =blue]The Police. Cave needs a fun voice for some tracks, as Deanna is a fun song. Could have been a Police song, in fact. "As I Sat Sadly By Her Side" vs. "Walking On The Moon" =blue]The Police. =blue]The Police win, 7-3. A victory for law and order.

Willets Point Jun 20 2006 10:29 PM

"The Mercy Seat" vs. "Canary In A Coalmine" The Police "The Weeping Song" vs. "Can't Stand Losing You" The Police "Red Right Hand" vs. "Next To You" Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds [/code]"Do You Love Me?" vs. "Roxanne" Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds "From Her To Eternity" vs. "So Lonely" The Police "Where The Wild Roses Grow" vs. "Every Little Thing She Does Is Magic" Tie "Papa Won't Leave You Henry" vs. "Truth Hits Everybody" Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds "(Are You) The One That I've Been Waiting For?" vs. "Tea In The Sahara" Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds "Deanna" vs. "The Bed's Too Big Without You" Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds "As I Sat Sadly By Her Side" vs. "Walking On The Moon" The Police Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds 5.5:4.5 The Police

Edgy DC Jun 21 2006 08:46 AM

Seawolf's ears bleed a lot.

seawolf17 Jun 21 2006 09:14 AM

I'm on medication for that.

Edgy DC Jun 21 2006 03:45 PM

Low turnout here and the Police seem to have been victimized by the Bad Seeds.

metirish Jun 21 2006 03:51 PM

WOW, I am shocked that the Seeds won this, obviously the low voter turn out helped him...still it's a win.

Edgy DC Jun 21 2006 03:53 PM

Soupy didn't vote, among others.

Johnny Dickshot Jun 21 2006 03:57 PM

I purposefully skirted this contest so as not to get emotionally involved when yet another obscure band rode its obscurity to victory.

Edgy DC Jun 21 2006 04:08 PM

A self-defeating strategy. I don't get it.

Edgy DC Jun 21 2006 04:14 PM

I won't publish my count, because I can't count, but it seems to me that if soupcan (or anybody else) takes the time to cancel irish's vote with an 8-2 of their own, this contest swings the other way.

metirish Jun 21 2006 04:15 PM

Yeah but this contest is over......and my other BLC will be over in a few minutes...

Edgy DC Jun 21 2006 04:19 PM

Bigger issues than a single contest have launched onto the table.

Johnny Dickshot Jun 21 2006 04:19 PM

Yeah well. The fun of this contest, to me, was in pitting songs/bands you knew by heart against one another. While I enjoy the potential education this game provides I don't think it's asking too much of the sponsorees to advance contestants accomplished enough to have charted a hit or two in the spirit of engaging the voters. Dozens of votes beat few.

metirish Jun 21 2006 04:20 PM

I get the feeling people are going to srew Nick Cave.....a kinda "get out the vote" style thing....

seawolf17 Jun 21 2006 04:33 PM

Yet another reason why this whole thing is bunk.

Elster88 Jun 21 2006 04:36 PM

Happy 5,000.

Edgy DC Jun 21 2006 04:39 PM

If this doesn't look a lot like a US election, I don't know what.

Johnny Dickshot Jun 21 2006 05:21 PM

Edgy DC wrote: If this doesn't look a lot like a US election, I don't know what. And that comment, for all the real issue-skirting, might have been made by candidate for office.

Edgy DC Jun 21 2006 07:35 PM

What's the issue? To me, the issue is, "One more pro-Police voter would have won the thing." "I don't think it's asking too much of the sponsorees to advance contestants accomplished enough to have charted a hit or two in the spirit of engaging the voters." Accomplishment, I thought, was what we're trying to guage here. Are you proposing we limit it to bands with two Billboard charters?

Johnny Dickshot Jun 21 2006 09:04 PM

The issue is that voters feel guilty and/or ignorant enough to lay off in cases like this at the same time the contest relies on their participation. I don;t disagree one Pro-Cops vote woulda won. And I coulda provided it, only I couldn't in good conscience type out a list and pretend to compare accomplishments when I really wasn't familiar with them. The other option was to mail in a 10-0 vote as punishment for my own ignorance, which I also didn't want to do.

sharpie Jun 21 2006 09:14 PM

Well the final was 22-18. Only 4 voters. Maybe there should be a rule that if there are fewer than, say, 5 voters, the losing band isn't "blocked." Just a thought.

metirish Jun 21 2006 09:14 PM

I can understand what Dickshot is saying, just because I love Nick Cave stuff doesn't mean many others here do, I find the same thing with some of the other bands here,I know one or two people here got into Cave after going through the trouble of listening to his stuff, that to me is cool, I didn't expect him to win any challenges so I suppose in a way what was the point of introducing him. I try to introduce bands I am passionate about, otherwise what's the point of me playing?

Edgy DC Jun 21 2006 09:17 PM

I went 8-2. I have three Nick Cave albums and knew only three or four songs. I listened to the clips of the others, and voted with a satisfied conscience. Sponsors know that picking a less familiar band is intense with the risk that ignorance works against them, and measure that risk against the reward of selling their favorite flavor to somebody.

seawolf17 Jun 21 2006 09:18 PM

And two days isn't long enough to become familiar with a band's oeuvre enough to compare them legitimately. I got NC&BS out of the library, listened to it driving around for an hour or so, and decided it was the complete opposite of anything that I enjoy listening to. I think a lot of people just mail in 10-0 votes just because they don't like a particular band, and I don't know that that plays to the spirit what we're trying to "accomplish" here.

Edgy DC Jun 21 2006 09:20 PM

I'm Okay with extending voting range to three or four days.

metirish Jun 21 2006 09:26 PM

Edgy I don't know if you have "B-Sides & Rarities" but it's worth picking up, 3 discs and it can be had new on amazon for $22.....53 songs in all.

Johnny Dickshot Jun 21 2006 09:38 PM

Perhaps we can stick with 48 but in cases where a requistite number of ballots of cast -- let's say 6 overall (sponsors + 4 voters), with the 6th vote ending it.

Edgy DC Jun 21 2006 09:47 PM

I'm OK with that. Put it in the standings and rotation thread. Should one sponsor's vote count if the other falls asleep?

sharpie Jun 22 2006 09:01 AM

I think four independent votes is enough. If sponsors dont' vote because they don't know the other band that should suffice.

seawolf17 Jun 22 2006 09:33 AM

How many votes do we get on a typical contest? It should be at least half that to block; that'd be fair.

sharpie Jun 22 2006 10:05 AM

Typically there are anywhere between 9 to 15 voters. Two well-known acts generally get lots of attention.

soupcan Jun 22 2006 04:12 PM

Ah shit I totally spaced out on this and forgot to vote. Woulda been 10-0 Police if I did.

Willets Point Jun 23 2006 01:27 PM

I going to throw my hat in here and say that I don't see what the big fuss is. If Band A is a band you've known since childhood and you like a lot of their songs and Band B you've never heard of and the samples don't make you want to learn about them then obviously you like Band A better. If you've never heard anything by this band, there's probably a good reason for that. If the song sample make your ears bleed, there's probably a good reason for that too. And the reason is: YOU DON'T LIKE THIS BAND. So I don't see why there's a big crisis of conscience about voting against bands you don't like and in favor of bands you do like. One person's favorite band may be someone else's obscurity and I think all the sponsors know the risk of introducing a band that may be unfamiliar to others. Either they can convince the voters to learn about the band or not and that will be reflected in the voting, IF people bother to vote.

Edgy DC Jun 23 2006 01:30 PM

Word three times.

metirish Jun 23 2006 02:10 PM

" I might retire after that win, FU Sting"

Edgy DC Jun 23 2006 02:28 PM

The only reason I'm seeing to withhold a vote is "I want ot make a consicentious vote, but I'm new to this band, and I'm a busy guy, and I don't really have time to throw a listen to ten clips every time a new band pops up." That's why I suggested a broader window.

sharpie Jun 23 2006 02:31 PM

I think if we had left this one open for a week there still wouldn't have been many more votes.

Edgy DC Jun 23 2006 02:33 PM

The Bad Seeds not only supress turnout, they supress human activity.

Edgy DC Jun 26 2006 07:12 PM

The original Bad Seeds.