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IGT 6/21/06 Mets vs. Cincinnati

Gwreck Jun 21 2006 06:35 PM

Reds Ryan Freel 3B Felipe Lopez SS Ken Griffey Jr. CF Austin Kearns RF Adam Dunn LF Scott Hatteberg 1B Brandon Phillips 2B Jason LaRue C Joe Mays P =blue]METS Reyes SS LoDuca C Beltran CF Delgado 1B Wright 3B Valentin 2B Nady RF Chavez LF Soler P

Zvon Jun 21 2006 07:13 PM

Freel gets a start, and I would rather not see that. And his speed already effects the game with a slow grounder to third that Wright throws away in a rush. Freel pulls into second base to lead off the game.

Zvon Jun 21 2006 07:18 PM

Freel is bunted over- Griffey drives him in with a sac fly to right. 1-0 Reds. Soler looks a little up in the zone, but closes the 1st with a nice K of Kearns.

Zvon Jun 21 2006 07:21 PM

Reyes with the lead off

ScarletKnight41 Jun 21 2006 07:22 PM

Zvon Jun 21 2006 07:27 PM

^awsum^ Freel with a nice play on Wrights grounder down the line ends the inning. All tied up, 1-1

Zvon Jun 21 2006 07:35 PM

Soler gives up a line single to Hatteberg in the second, but works around it for a nice quick inning of work in the second. ESPN shows a pretty neat 3-D view of the Mets future stadium between innings. Niiiiiiiiiiiice.

Zvon Jun 21 2006 07:37 PM

UGH! Valentin leads off the 2nd with a nice line single to right, tries to stretch it into two and is out by a freakin mile!

Zvon Jun 21 2006 07:39 PM

ESPN shows last nights effort for the inside the park homer by Val. I wasnt even aware that that happened.

Edgy DC Jun 21 2006 07:48 PM

I imagine that flop hurt Nady some.

Zvon Jun 21 2006 07:51 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 21 2006 07:54 PM

Freel singles again. LoDuca gives him second as he lets a pitch get by him for a past ball. Freel and Reyes have a very friendly looking chat out there as theres a lull in the action. Lopez lines a single up the middle and Im really surprised they held up Freel at third. Griffey up--- Griff knocks a base clearing double by Nady, who gives it a nice diving try. It was a low wicked liner that finds the gap. Wright with a real nice diving play at third saves a double and a run. Nice tag by Delgado on the other end of the play. Soler walks Dunn, who is the easiest K in the league (also hits the ball a country mile when he dont K). Soler gets out of it without further damage, but a tuff inning for the rook pitcher. 3-1 Reds.

Zvon Jun 21 2006 07:52 PM

Edgy DC wrote: I imagine that flop hurt Nady some. It certainly was painful to watch,lol.

Edgy DC Jun 21 2006 07:56 PM

I'm with Keef. It's like you can see Reyes getting better every day.

Zvon Jun 21 2006 07:56 PM

Reyes works a full count and then lines a double off the wall in right. Damn he's rakin it lately.

Zvon Jun 21 2006 08:02 PM

I love LoDukes throw back loose pants/hi-sox look. On him,....I wouldnt be caught dead lookin like that. Looks like this Reds pitcher Mays is settling in, and we gotta start rattling his cage. Beltran does as he lines one off 2nd baseman Phillips and reaches. Delgado up, runners on the corners. DAMN THAT SHIFT! A seeing eye grounder through what should be a hole sees its way into Phillips glove for an easy ground out. Mets dont capitalize.

Edgy DC Jun 21 2006 08:09 PM

Freel takes a rip and half, doesn't he?

Zvon Jun 21 2006 08:13 PM

Edgy DC wrote: Freel takes a rip and half, doesn't he? Im amazed he hasnt played everyday this season. Valentins GREAT grab on a wicked liner saves Soler this inning. I was afk so i dont know how they got the runners on, but it was 1st and 2nd, 2 out when he snagged that. Nice play.

Zvon Jun 21 2006 08:19 PM

Wright and Valentin with back to back singles to lead off the fourth. Runners on 1st and 3rd, Nady at the dish.

Zvon Jun 21 2006 08:25 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 21 2006 08:40 PM

Nady gets badly fooled on some off speed stuff and is punched out. Chavez Ks. Valentin steals second only thanks to a tricky slide, but Soler cant help himself at the plate and the Mets leave two on.

Zvon Jun 21 2006 08:34 PM

Nice crowd at Shea for a humpday night. Whats LoDucas problem tonight? Soler Ks Kearns and LoDuke lets the pitch get by him. Kearns reahces first. It was a pitch in the dirt, so called a wild pitch, but LoDuca couldve/shouldve gotten in front of that to stop it. And Kearns scores on a 2 out double to right by Hatteberg. Damn. Almost had him at the plate.

Edgy DC Jun 21 2006 08:40 PM

Rally now! Tied to the tracks and the train's fast coming Strapped to the wing with the engine running You say that this wasn't in your plan Don't mess around with the demolition man Tied to a chair, and the bomb is ticking This situation was not of your picking You say that this wasn't in your plan Don't mess around with the demolition man I'm a walking nightmare, an arsenal of doom I kill conversation as I walk into the room I'm a three line whip, I'm the sort of thing they ban I'm a walking disaster, I'm a demolition man Tied to a chair, and the bomb is ticking This situation was not of your picking You say that this wasn't in your plan Don't mess around with the demolition man You come to me like a moth to the flame It's love you need but I don't play that game 'Cause you could be my greatest fan But I'm nobody's friend, I'm a demolition man I'm a walking nightmare, an arsenal of doom I kill conversation as I walk into the room I'm a three line whip, I'm the sort of thing they ban I'm a walking disaster, I'm a demolition man

Zvon Jun 21 2006 08:41 PM

ESPN commentator calls him "the electrifying Jose Reyes"- AND REYES TRIPLES OVER KEARNS HEAD!

Edgy DC Jun 21 2006 08:42 PM

Jose Reyes, demolition man.

Gwreck Jun 21 2006 08:42 PM

Cycle is well within reach... last one was Valent?

Zvon Jun 21 2006 08:43 PM

Mays is rattled as he hurls a wild pitch and Reyes scores easily. Reyes only needs a single for the cycle. How bout that?

SteveJRogers Jun 21 2006 08:45 PM

Yeah Valent, a radio station had a contest where every game a caller called and picked a player to hit for the cycle, if said player did, they'd win a million bucks! Caller for that day picked Mike Cammeron!

Edgy DC Jun 21 2006 08:48 PM

Rockit. Hey, Delgado, run!

Zvon Jun 21 2006 08:50 PM

Edgy DC wrote: Hey, Delgado, run! Really,lol. And theres a horrible throw to the plate too boot. Nice gapper by Wright. Its up to Nady, bases loaded, 2 out.

Zvon Jun 21 2006 08:53 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 21 2006 08:54 PM

UGH! Nady swings at crap and helps out the Reds by striking out easily. Maybe only that last pitch was a real strike. Well, he's gotta get back in the groove, but thats a major waste of an opportunity there. Mets leave the bases juiced.

Edgy DC Jun 21 2006 08:53 PM

Only one run, with Nady swinging at junk, but the Mets did more damage than that. Every batter tonight is one batter closer to Reyes coming around again. Let's get into their pen and do some damage.

Zvon Jun 21 2006 09:02 PM

So Bells in for Soler and has a nice smooth inning, striking out 2. Solers line- IP___H___R___K__ 5.0__8____4___4

Zvon Jun 21 2006 09:04 PM

Reyes will bat in the 6th with a chance to get that cycle.

Edgy DC Jun 21 2006 09:07 PM

Reyes flailing at junk. I'd rather get a win than a cycle.

Zvon Jun 21 2006 09:08 PM

Aww-- Reyes gets a lil too anxious and swings his way into a strikeout. he looked patient to start the at bat. He should get another at bat.

Zvon Jun 21 2006 09:10 PM

="Edgy DC"]Reyes flailing at junk. I'd rather get a win than a cycle. I hear ya, and me too. On the other side of the coin I wouldnt mind seeing a Met cycle if we end up with a loss here tonight. Get those rally songs ready. Lets get both.

Edgy DC Jun 21 2006 09:14 PM

The back end of the Mets' bullpen is doing it nicely tonight. Now, with the Reds in their pen, let's see the middle of the Mets' lineup follow.

Johnny Dickshot Jun 21 2006 09:16 PM

A sidebar of this series is early favoritism for Manager of the Year, tho looks so far like Narron's get the edge there.

metirish Jun 21 2006 09:18 PM

Beltran with a double, not out of this game by any menas...come on you Mets.

Zvon Jun 21 2006 09:19 PM

Beltran doubles and Delgado almost gets a hold a one. Its a deep fly out to the track in left and CarlosB tags to 3rd. LETS GO METS!

Johnny Dickshot Jun 21 2006 09:21 PM

ScarletKnight41 Jun 21 2006 09:21 PM

Zvon Jun 21 2006 09:21 PM Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Jun 21 2006 09:24 PM

Wright comes thru with a bloop single and the Mets are only down by one. VALENTIN!

Edgy DC Jun 21 2006 09:21 PM

What did I just see? Valentin went lefty against lefty and hit a go-ahead homer? That didn't happen. Wake me up.

metirish Jun 21 2006 09:22 PM

Yeah it happened..WTF..I love this guy.

Zvon Jun 21 2006 09:22 PM

METS TAKE THE LEAD! 5-4!

Edgy DC Jun 21 2006 09:25 PM

The Jose Valentin Experience.

Johnny Dickshot Jun 21 2006 09:26 PM

Heilman, with a new haircut, back in familiar leverage.

Zvon Jun 21 2006 09:26 PM

Heilman on to hold it. And he handles Phillips real nice with some artsy pitching for the K.

Johnny Dickshot Jun 21 2006 09:27 PM

I think Heilman should dye his hair black and grow a fearsome fu manchu or handlebar, by the way.

Zvon Jun 21 2006 09:32 PM

Johnny Dickshot wrote: I think Heilman should dye his hair black and grow a fearsome fu manchu or handlebar, by the way. .......works for me. He gives up a deep fly and a single- AND LODUCA LETS ANOTHER PITCH GET BY! Ok, that may not have been his fault. Tying run moves up to second.

Zvon Jun 21 2006 09:33 PM

Heilman has to get Freel.

Zvon Jun 21 2006 09:34 PM

AND HE DOES! Major strikeout!

Edgy DC Jun 21 2006 09:34 PM

Freel is hacktastic tonight. Way to get him on the change.

Johnny Dickshot Jun 21 2006 09:41 PM

Zvon Jun 21 2006 09:42 PM

Mr Franco works a walk. AND REYES SLAPS A SINGLE UP THE MIDDLE FOR THE CYCLE! AWSUUUUUUUUUUM!

ScarletKnight41 Jun 21 2006 09:43 PM

Reyes is the 9th Met to hit for the cycle, and this is the 4th time that someone has hit for the cycle at Shea.

Edgy DC Jun 21 2006 09:45 PM

This is great. We have footage coming in from all over the world:

Zvon Jun 21 2006 09:47 PM

LMAO^^^ Do yer job Wags

ScarletKnight41 Jun 21 2006 09:49 PM

2 down. Austin Kearns at bat.

Zvon Jun 21 2006 09:49 PM

2 down! A K that made me nervous and Griff grounds out to Delgado. One to go , and we got....................

Edgy DC Jun 21 2006 09:50 PM

98 99 Wow.

ScarletKnight41 Jun 21 2006 09:51 PM

Kearns walks. The tying run is on board :(

ScarletKnight41 Jun 21 2006 09:53 PM

Billy - this is the strike zone. Strike zone - this is Billy. Please get reacquainted you two!

Edgy DC Jun 21 2006 09:53 PM

Strikes.

ScarletKnight41 Jun 21 2006 09:54 PM

Balls :(

OlerudOwned Jun 21 2006 09:57 PM

PleasePleasePleasePleasePleasePleasePleasePleasePleasePleasePleasePleasePleasePleasePleasePleasePleasePleasePleasePleasePleasePlease

Johnny Dickshot Jun 21 2006 09:57 PM

boo.

metirish Jun 21 2006 09:57 PM

Damn...this hurts

ScarletKnight41 Jun 21 2006 09:57 PM

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OlerudOwned Jun 21 2006 09:57 PM

Oh asscakes!

Zvon Jun 21 2006 09:59 PM

UGH. This is one that should not be gettin away. Wags, you FAIL.

Zvon Jun 21 2006 10:04 PM

commmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmme on guys. Only one run to tie-two to win.

Zvon Jun 21 2006 10:05 PM

Beltran lead off walk.

Zvon Jun 21 2006 10:08 PM

Delagdo flys out. Pooperscoopers. Come on DAVID!

ScarletKnight41 Jun 21 2006 10:11 PM

Looper :(

Edgy DC Jun 21 2006 10:11 PM

Dapples. Beltran should have run.

Zvon Jun 21 2006 10:11 PM

UGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH double play We coulda had both Edgy. We coulda/shoulda had both. Wags- NO SOUP FOR YOU! or beer

Johnny Dickshot Jun 21 2006 10:14 PM

We ought not let P-Lo get away too easy for his role in this one. Guy in front of ya hits for the cycle and you can't even advance him a base.

martin Jun 21 2006 10:16 PM

i don't understand why beltran doesnt steal there. it seems like it the perfect storm of pro-steal factors. high-percentage base stealer, incredible need to avoid the double play, as well as putting the all-important game extending tying run in scoring position.

willpie Jun 21 2006 10:16 PM

Fudge.

Hillbilly Jun 21 2006 10:16 PM

Nady left a boat load of men on base and the D wasn't sharp at all. Fun game to watch, but not overall well played by the Mets.

Zvon Jun 21 2006 10:25 PM

martin wrote: i don't understand why beltran doesnt steal there. it seems like it the perfect storm of pro-steal factors. high-percentage base stealer, incredible need to avoid the double play, as well as putting the all-important game extending tying run in scoring position. I agree. i understand you dont wanna distract Delgado, but he's a big boy. He should be able to deal with that and know its coming on certain counts, which he found himself at afew times. Yea,Beltran should have been thrust into scoring position. During Delgados at bat.

Frayed Knot Jun 21 2006 10:26 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 21 2006 10:27 PM

We gave that one away in a bunch of different ways - in addition to the obvious one. - too many LOBs (duh!) - they took extra bases on us (is Beltran EVER planning on hitting a cut-off man?) + many LoDuca passed balls - and we took very few on them: Delgado c/should have scored on Wright's 2B, Reyes getting caught off on the liner (where ya goin dude? you got Franco in front of you!) And yeah, I woulda sent Beltran running at some point also.

Zvon Jun 21 2006 10:27 PM

Johnny Dickshot wrote: We ought not let P-Lo get away too easy for his role in this one. Guy in front of ya hits for the cycle and you can't even advance him a base. I was more concerned about his play behind the plate. I dont know where his head was back there tonight. Hit your knees and block that pitch guy. In a game like this one every play counted.

Zvon Jun 21 2006 10:28 PM

Frayed Knot wrote: We gave that one away in a bunch of different ways - in addition to the obvious one. - too many LOBs (duh!) - they took extra bases on us (is Beltran EVER planning on hitting a cut-off man?) + many LoDuca passed balls - and we took very few on them: Delgado c/should have scored on Wright's 2B, Reyes getting caught off on the liner (where ya goin dude? you got Franco in front of you!) And yeah, I woulda sent Beltran running at some point also. Bango,bongo,bingo.

Frayed Knot Jun 21 2006 10:30 PM

Oh, and add Valentin's ill-advised scramble in the 2nd inning to the laundry list of outs given away. What's he trying to do, get thrown out for the cycle this week?

Zvon Jun 21 2006 10:32 PM

="Frayed Knot"]Oh, and add Valentin's ill-advised scramble in the 2nd inning to the laundry list of outs given away. What's he trying to do, get thrown out for the cycle this week? lol--I forgot that one-he was sooooooo out they cudda tossed it around the infield before the tag.

Zvon Jun 21 2006 10:34 PM

But Jose Reyes hits for the cycle. That was fun to watch. Boy, the kid is red hot.

Frayed Knot Jun 21 2006 10:36 PM

Fuck the cycle, I don't want to hear about that right now.

Zvon Jun 21 2006 10:38 PM

="Frayed Knot"]Fuck the cycle, I don't want to hear about that right now.

Yancy Street Gang Jun 21 2006 10:43 PM

Cycles are meaningless. It's nice that he got ten total bases, but that they were distributed among four different types of hits is a statistical quirk and nothing more.

old original jb Jun 21 2006 10:43 PM

Alright, say it with me everyone: Loop....I mean...Wagner!

Zvon Jun 21 2006 10:46 PM

...............tuff room.

Frayed Knot Jun 21 2006 10:59 PM

]A sidebar of this series is early favoritism for Manager of the Year, tho looks so far like Narron's get the edge there Maybe, but I can't believe he took Dunn out so early. I know he's a rotten fielder and all but I thought he was doing us a huge favor. Turned out that his spot came up in the 9th and the Reds were w/o their best power/OBA guy with runners on 1st & 2nd/2-outs. Aurelia PHed and got the squib hit to 3rd.

ScarletKnight41 Jun 21 2006 11:13 PM

old original jb wrote: Alright, say it with me everyone: Loop....I mean...Wagner! Check p. 4 - I beat you to it.

Nymr83 Jun 21 2006 11:15 PM

i was there tonight. i've dropped to 5-2 on the year :(

Gwreck Jun 21 2006 11:43 PM

Yancy Street Gang wrote: Cycles are meaningless. It's nice that he got ten total bases, but that they were distributed among four different types of hits is a statistical quirk and nothing more. Bingo. It's cool, I guess but nothing else than an outstanding day at the plate. This game sucked, bad. Lots of missed opportunities, as mentioned above. Not much else to add except that I'm going tomorrow afternoon and Pedro had better salvage us the series split.

Iubitul Jun 22 2006 06:21 AM

Everyone else in the division lost. It could have been worse.

Elster88 Jun 22 2006 08:41 AM

A cycle is still cool.

Elster88 Jun 22 2006 09:17 AM

martin wrote: i don't understand why beltran doesnt steal there. it seems like it the perfect storm of pro-steal factors. high-percentage base stealer, incredible need to avoid the double play, as well as putting the all-important game extending tying run in scoring position. Me too.

Elster88 Jun 22 2006 09:18 AM

For posterity: Valentin's home run went pretty much to dead center field.

Edgy DC Jun 22 2006 09:20 AM

I'm guessing a lot here, but I suspect that Bootran --- and A-Rod for that matter --- has some self-consciousness, that keeps him from making such a high-risk/high-reward maneuver.

Elster88 Jun 22 2006 09:22 AM

Reading body language is a tricky business, and probably leads to incorrect assumptions more often than not, but he was just standing there with his hands on his knees every pitch. Looked like he never even considered going.

metirish Jun 22 2006 09:26 AM

You would think that with Beltran playing with confidence that he wouldn't be self-conscious at all, maybe this theory might be correct if he were still getting booed and hitting like crap.....although I'm not sure if we ever resolved weather booing effects a player.

Elster88 Jun 22 2006 09:27 AM

I wonder if any of the mediots asked them about it after the game. I'll look around.

Yancy Street Gang Jun 22 2006 09:34 AM

I think Soler was aware that a strong effort would virtually clinch the Schaefer Mets Pitcher of the Month award, and his knees got wobbly.

Edgy DC Jun 22 2006 09:35 AM

]You would think that with Beltran playing with confidence that he wouldn't be self-conscious at all... There are different types of confidence. I've been a popular player and I've been an unpopular player and when you're the latter, in a game situation, you're not thinking about succeeding, you're thinking about not failing, and so you play it safe. Again I'm guessing, but being booed tells a player that this isn't a safe place to fail. And, as Michael Jordan tells us, it is because one fails that he succeeds. I have no idea what goes through his head, but I do think that if he gets thrown out as the tying run in the ninth with Delgado and Wright coming up, and the Mets lose, he's topic one and two on WFAN today, and perhaps even gets booed tonight.

MFS62 Jun 22 2006 09:38 AM

Factoids: Nady is hitting less than .160 with RISP Most of Wagner's blown saves/ losses have come when he was pitching to Castro. Do you think we have a Maddux/ Javy or Unit/ Posada situation here? IMO he seems to pitch better when throwing to LoDuca. Can someone please come up with the numbers to support or disprove this observation? Later

Edgy DC Jun 22 2006 09:38 AM

On the other hand, hopefully, somebody remembers Delgado not running hard on Wright's double in the fifth.

Frayed Knot Jun 22 2006 09:42 AM

]he was just standing there with his hands on his knees every pitch. He was like that before every pitch - but then got into "running position" as the pitcher went into the stretch.

Johnny Dickshot Jun 22 2006 09:51 AM

MFS62 wrote: Factoids: Nady is hitting less than .160 with RISP Most of Wagner's blown saves/ losses have come when he was pitching to Castro. Do you think we have a Maddux/ Javy or Unit/ Posada situation here? IMO he seems to pitch better when throwing to LoDuca. Can someone please come up with the numbers to support or disprove this observation? Later Too few appearances to be meaningful, I'm sure. I'm mad as hell at P-Lo.

seawolf17 Jun 22 2006 10:00 AM

Wagner's blown saves, plus the Yankee game: 4/5 vs WAS - gave up tying run in 9th - LoDuca 4/26 vs SF - gave up tying runs in 9th - Castro 5/3 vs PIT - gave up tying runs in 9th - Castro 5/20 vs NYY - gave up tying runs in 9th - Castro 6/21 vs CIN - gave up winning runs in 9th - Castro It's a veeeeeeery small sample size, but it is interesting.

Methead Jun 22 2006 10:02 AM

Was there any resolution to the question of why Valentin chose to hit left-handed in that spot?

Iubitul Jun 22 2006 10:22 AM

seawolf17 wrote: Wagner's blown saves, plus the Yankee game: 4/5 vs WAS - gave up tying run in 9th - LoDuca 4/26 vs SF - gave up tying runs in 9th - Castro 5/3 vs PIT - gave up tying runs in 9th - Castro 5/20 vs NYY - gave up tying runs in 9th - Castro 6/21 vs CIN - gave up winning runs in 9th - Castro It's a veeeeeeery small sample size, but it is interesting. Very interesting - LoDuca does call a very aggressive game, and perhaps that suits Wagner better....

Frayed Knot Jun 22 2006 10:22 AM

]Was there any resolution to the question of why Valentin chose to hit left-handed in that spot? Hammond is a change-up specialist. He wouldn't be the first guy to prefer to bat from the same side against it. I remember guys batting that way against Franco and also Dusty Baker specifically sending up LH batters to face him.

Centerfield Jun 22 2006 10:26 AM

I've had it with Wagner. That is four blown saves, one blown four-run lead, at least one tie where he's given up the lead run, and another blown save narrowly avoided by Wright's amazing double play. The worst part about it is that the walks just aren't going away. Early in the season, it was because he didn't have enough time in spring training, but it's June now, and the control should be there. Is he injured? Is he messed up in the head? Why is our 50 bazillion dollar closer suddenly unable to throw strikes?

Elster88 Jun 22 2006 10:30 AM

I'm grumpy.

seawolf17 Jun 22 2006 10:32 AM

Elster88 wrote: I'm grumpy. Hi, Grumpy. Doc. Nice to meet you.

Methead Jun 22 2006 10:45 AM

"Hammond is a change-up specialist." Ah, yes. Funny thing is, I seem to remember Gary Cohen talking about that exact issue the other night, but he seemed flabbergasted after Valentin did it.

Farmer Ted Jun 22 2006 10:50 AM

Still 9.5 up you negative bastids.

Johnny Dickshot Jun 22 2006 11:11 AM

I think Gary was angry at himself for not "setting the scene" first -- he had to blurt out that it was a HR and that Valentin hit it LHed at once when he'd have preferred to have pointed out his LH-hitting first.

Edgy DC Jun 22 2006 11:16 AM

If this was the culture of 1986, Duaner Sanchez is brought in to face Snotty Brandon Phillips.

Yancy Street Gang Jun 22 2006 11:33 AM

Farmer Ted wrote: Still 9.5 up you negative bastids. Those 9½ games won't mean anything when Wagner's trying to close a game in the NLDS.

Edgy DC Jun 22 2006 12:08 PM

Well, I imagine Wagner would say (to himself, at least) last night's blowage won't mean anything at that point either. All my love to Zvon, but I'm starting to seriously dislike that Sandman pic. Let him earn a real nickname as a Met.

Centerfield Jun 22 2006 12:12 PM

All that comes to mind is "WagNOOOOO!!!!!"

Johnny Dickshot Jun 22 2006 12:30 PM

I'm not into Wagner and haven't been from the start, at least as contract $$ and draft picks surrendered went, and although this prolly puts my FEEEEEEELINGS out there a little bit, he doesn't appear to actually be a member of the team, in that they've set it up so that there's 24 guys essentially working together FOR him, and he's the one guy who offers nothing up until the point he's asked to the job. Truly, this Met team is a, forgive my Metmetism, a TEAM and he's not. Edgy's right. A real TEAM team woulda brought in Sanchez without regard to Billy's FEEEEELINGS, in service of a goddamned victory. And tho I'm understanding of a guy having a bad stretch, doubt that WWSB has the Bs to de-leverage him as he did to Heilman when he wasn't getting it done, in part because of all that money/time/status of his. But the guy's blown 20+% of his opportunities this year.

Elster88 Jun 22 2006 12:44 PM

Edgy DC wrote: All my love to Zvon, but I'm starting to seriously dislike that Sandman pic. The pic was cool the first time but, as with anything, oversaturation breeds contempt.

The Big O Jun 22 2006 01:05 PM

Johnny Dickshot wrote: I'm not into Wagner and haven't been from the start, at least as contract $$ and draft picks surrendered went, and although this prolly puts my FEEEEEEELINGS out there a little bit, he doesn't appear to actually be a member of the team, in that they've set it up so that there's 24 guys essentially working together FOR him, and he's the one guy who offers nothing up until the point he's asked to the job. Truly, this Met team is a, forgive my Metmetism, a TEAM and he's not. I don't really get this. Isn't this true of all closers?

Johnny Dickshot Jun 22 2006 01:07 PM

Yeah, tis. My point was made better by Edgy above -- it'd be nice if someone had the nuts to rescue him when he doesn't succeed, but WWSB seems to prefer that the last line of defense remains the last line of defense.

Edgy DC Jun 22 2006 02:28 PM

That's better put than I put it also. But it's not alone about rescuing him when he fails, it's about, when you have two similarly successful pitchers, and the situation is tense, going for the best matchup. In this case, with Wagner (1) wild, (2) facing a lefty, and (3) 25 pitches into the evening, Sanchez is the better matchup. That seems to be OK in the seventh with guys making something like the minimum wage, but not with millionaires in the ninth, when managers instead defer to status. That's frustrating.

metirish Jun 22 2006 03:30 PM

Elster asked... ] I wonder if any of the mediots asked them about it after the game. I'll look around. I looked and couldn't find anything in the papers about Beltran not attempting to steal so I wrote the Mets beat writer for the Journal News and got this response.... ] Conor, Thanks for the email. You raise a great point about Beltran not stealing. It never came up in the postgame press conference, mainly because Wagner blowing the game and Jose Reyes' cycle were the main topics of discussion. We all also know the way Willie works. He manages those ninth inning situations very conservatively and would never want to run himself out of the inning by getting a guy caught stealing with two power hitters at the plate. Don't forget, too, that Javier Valentin was catching for the Reds in the ninth. He's got a decent arm (he's thrown out 6 of 14 runners, which isn't awful) and the Mets didn't really try to run on him on Tuesday, which is rare for them. Personally, I think when you have Delgado and Wright up, you have two chances at a walk-off homer and shouldn't risk stealing unless it's with Reyes. But you're right, they probably should have tried running Beltran, especially once Delgado was retired. Wright's game-ending double play wouldn't have looked so bad then! Again, thanks for the email. Kevin

ScarletKnight41 Jun 22 2006 03:33 PM

Feliciano gets two outs but then gives up a hit and a ground rule double in the 8th. Bradford's coming in with two on and two out.

metirish Jun 22 2006 03:34 PM

This IGT is from the 21st..

ScarletKnight41 Jun 22 2006 03:34 PM

Oops - sorry.

Elster88 Jun 22 2006 03:35 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 22 2006 03:36 PM

That's cool Irish. He wrote back pretty quickly too. Nice job by both of you.

Edgy DC Jun 22 2006 03:35 PM

Good job, irish. Ask him if anybody grilled Willie about Delgado not running hard. Or grilled Delgado.

metirish Jun 22 2006 03:58 PM

Edgy I will ask him but please refresh my memory as to when Delgado didn't run hard.

Frayed Knot Jun 22 2006 04:20 PM

On Wright's double in the middle of the game. Delgado ran from 1st to 2nd like he expected it either to be caught or go out. By the time he started really running it was too late to send him. A question about it will likely produce the same "it didn't come up" response as your earlier one. Wasn't the biggest story, etc. Eddie C asked Willie about it on the FAN pre-game show. More like; 'Did you think Delgado would score there?' He said he thought initially that he could score but that he clearly wasn't far enough along by the time the ball got back into the IF. Sounds like he either didn't think Delgado was loafing or just didn't see it.

metirish Jun 23 2006 08:31 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 23 2006 08:43 AM

Guys I asked Kevin the Mets beat writer about Delgado not running hard and got this reply......Kevin seems like a really cool guy... ] Conor, It took me a while to know what you were talking about, but I think you're referring to Wright's double off the wall. I know it might not have looked Delgado was clueless on t.v., but that ball was absolutely scolded. He was asked about it after the game and if I remember correctly, he said he didn't pick up where it was until it was too late... whether that means he A) didn't know how many outs there were, or B) actually thought it was going to be caught is unsure. Remember, though, that there were two outs at the time and the Mets were trailing 4-2. I don't think that, given Delgado's mediocre speed, they would have sent him and potentially run themselves out of the inning. Milton was just starting to come undone and Valentin was on deck (he was intentionally walked) and Xavier Nady was to follow (he had a big night on Tuesday). Unfortunately, Nady struck out. That's just me speculating. These are all very good questions. Unfortunately after games we don't really have too much time with Randolph and the players to fully analyze plays. I am, however, taking note of the types of things you guys are discussing and will try to align my thinking with that when I go into the locker room after games. Thanks again, - Kevin When I last emailed him I asked if it was ok to post his response here and gave him the link to the CPF..I invited him to visit.

Yancy Street Gang Jun 23 2006 08:36 AM

I'm not familiar with the Journal News. Is that a Jersey or Westchester paper?

metirish Jun 23 2006 08:42 AM

It's Westchester County. http://www.lohud.com/apps/pbcs.dll/frontpage