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IGT 06/25, Mets at Blue Jays

KC Jun 25 2006 11:41 AM

Early game today boys and girls, you'll have to PiP the second half of soccer. METS Reyes SS Chavez LF Beltran CF Delgado 1B Wright 3B Valentin 2B Franco DH Nady RF Castro C Tracshel (5-4, 4.67) JAYS Reed RF Catalanotto LF Wells CF Overbay LF Hillenbrand 3B Hinske DH Molina C Hill SS Adams 2B Towers (1-8, 8.76)

Frayed Knot Jun 25 2006 11:43 AM

I think I may have reversed Nady & Castro if for no other reason than to keep Ramon from clogging up the bases in front of Jose if they both get on. (am no longer Vince Coleman)

MFS62 Jun 25 2006 11:48 AM

I would have given Marrero a shot behind the dish. They're going to have to see what he can do there at some point before they have to make a cut down decision when Cliff returns. If Eli can do the job there (and their's no reason to think he still can't) then I would send Castro down. It seems last year's magic is gone. Later

Johnny Dickshot Jun 25 2006 11:53 AM

Castro is better than Marerro right now, not to mention sending him down essentially leaves you without a second catcher while PLo heals. If last year's magic is gone, how come he's OPSing at viortually the same rate? 751 to 756?

Nymr83 Jun 25 2006 12:11 PM

Reyes apparently thinks he's a HR hitter now too. when did LoDuca become "PLo"? I know he sucks sometimes but I don't thinks he needs to be associated with terrorists.

OlerudOwned Jun 25 2006 12:11 PM

Reyes is on one damn hell ass of a hot streak, eh?

Zvon Jun 25 2006 12:11 PM

cripes, you cant sleep late these days,lol.

KC Jun 25 2006 12:14 PM

Someone shoot the assclown with the air horn.

Zvon Jun 25 2006 12:15 PM

Darling says "Towers doesnt have any one pitch to get Delgado out", but somehow he has three that strike him out. Mets up, 1-0

Zvon Jun 25 2006 12:19 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 25 2006 12:21 PM

="KC"]Someone shoot the assclown with the air horn. gimme a sec....Ill find a visual..... There.

Nymr83 Jun 25 2006 12:21 PM

nice throw to first Traschel. and of course he scores on the next pitch.

OlerudOwned Jun 25 2006 12:21 PM

MLB Gamecast just said Reed Johnson scored from first on a Catalanatto ground out to second. What am I missing?

Zvon Jun 25 2006 12:22 PM

Nymr83 wrote: nice throw to first Traschel. and of course he scores on the next pitch. Yea-He gives it right back.....like he can afford to. Ha

Nymr83 Jun 25 2006 12:23 PM

OlerudOwned wrote: MLB Gamecast just said Reed Johnson scored from first on a Catalanatto ground out to second. What am I missing? Johnson went 1st-3rd on a wild pickoff attempt by Traschel

KC Jun 25 2006 12:24 PM

Classic:

OlerudOwned Jun 25 2006 12:25 PM

Nymr83 wrote: ="OlerudOwned"]MLB Gamecast just said Reed Johnson scored from first on a Catalanatto ground out to second. What am I missing? Johnson went 1st-3rd on a wild pickoff attempt by Traschel Thanks

Zvon Jun 25 2006 12:28 PM

OlerudOwned wrote: MLB Gamecast just said Reed Johnson scored from first on a Catalanatto ground out to second. What am I missing? that must be considered the extremely condensed version of the event. It followed a 2 base throwing error by Trax, put Johnson on third. He scored on the ground out.

Zvon Jun 25 2006 12:31 PM

KC wrote: Classic: That aint one-A-mine-- I just ran a google search for assclown. lol.

Zvon Jun 25 2006 12:34 PM

Valentin, following a Wright single and a fielders choice, gets tossed out at second as part of the hit and run that niether hit well enough nor ran fast enough. That make sense?Im a lil hungover.

Zvon Jun 25 2006 12:39 PM

I like Darling in the booth. And look!-the Bluejays paint thier seats Mets blue and orange. Foolish Iceholes.

KC Jun 25 2006 12:41 PM

Z: That aint one-A-mine-- I just ran a google search for assclown. I might just shrink it down and make it my avatar.

Zvon Jun 25 2006 12:46 PM

="KC"]Z: That aint one-A-mine-- I just ran a google search for assclown. I might just shrink it down and make it my avatar. lol-.......suit yourself.:) ______thats a pun^ Mets are playin "half there". A delayed steal makes the boys look "totally not there." I saw that thing with Delgado where he didnt retouch the bag on his way back to 1st last night. No excuse for shit like that. Still, we got game at 1-1.

Zvon Jun 25 2006 12:52 PM

Castro on second as a result of an infield single, that was all over the infield. Reyes follows with his second hit of the game, a single lashed to right. dayyyyyyham. Reyes is on a TEEEEEEEEEAR!. He is now batting .298! .298!

Zvon Jun 25 2006 12:54 PM

3 run blast!

Nymr83 Jun 25 2006 12:54 PM

BELTRAN!!

SteveJRogers Jun 25 2006 12:57 PM

KABOOM!

Rotblatt Jun 25 2006 12:57 PM

Wow. How hot is Reyes right now? I keep waiting for him to cool off, and in this case, I beg to differ with Mr. Petty . . . Beltran, too. Good times.

Zvon Jun 25 2006 01:06 PM

Damn-I missed the play by Chavez-howd that play out?

Zvon Jun 25 2006 01:13 PM

Pretty quick game so far, considering Trachsel is pitching. Mets up 4-1 in the 4rth. Thats Toronto turf looks like a badly worn patch quilt.

Zvon Jun 25 2006 01:15 PM

K-Trax will slo down now after giving up da bomb to Overbay. Horrible pitch--I coulda hit that one out.(of the infield maybe) 4-2

Nymr83 Jun 25 2006 01:18 PM

Molina homers. its 4-3.

Zvon Jun 25 2006 01:20 PM

Trax gives up another g0fer to Molina. Ugh--- 4-3.

Nymr83 Jun 25 2006 01:23 PM

wow quick hook for towers

Zvon Jun 25 2006 01:25 PM

MFY note: That game, one of two because of yesterdays rain out, is in a rain delay. Willis VS Mussina when it gets underway. And as I type Nady beats out an infield single, and Castro follows with a double, and the Mets knock Towers outta the game. Mets will have 2nd and 3rd, no outs, Hotrod Reyes up when play resumes.

Zvon Jun 25 2006 01:27 PM

REYES with an RBI infield single and--- is Reyes now batting .300?

Nymr83 Jun 25 2006 01:30 PM

wild pitch! lol

Zvon Jun 25 2006 01:33 PM

According to Yahoo Stat Tracker Reyes is now batting .300. WOWWWWWWWWWWWW. Reyes steals second. Afew pitches later Castro chugs home on a wild pitch. Reyes to third. Reyes gets it up to .300---how bout that?

Zvon Jun 25 2006 01:34 PM

Reyes better get the starting AllStar game gig. Is that an IP sensative thing or can I vote 10 more times?

Zvon Jun 25 2006 01:44 PM

Trachsel has been serving some pretty fat pitches up there. He must be pitching too fast today. ;)

Zvon Jun 25 2006 01:51 PM

Zvon wrote: Pretty quick game so far, considering Trachsel is pitching. He actually has slown down dramatically since i mentioned this earlier. maybe its all the opposing batters he is allowing to reach. Trax walks Wells to load the bases. Only 1 out.

Zvon Jun 25 2006 01:56 PM

He gets out of it with a lead. Mets up 6-4. The way they were slappin him around I wouldnt even run him out there in the 6th.

Zvon Jun 25 2006 02:00 PM

Valentin!

SteveJRogers Jun 25 2006 02:00 PM

Zvon Jun 25 2006 02:01 PM

Wow- Franco motors out a double on a rug burn single up the middle.

dinosaur jesus Jun 25 2006 02:05 PM

Ty Taubenheim's last name means "home of doves," which is very poetic for a relief pitcher. How come this site is on Rocky Mountain Time?

Iubitul Jun 25 2006 02:08 PM

dinosaur jesus wrote: How come this site is on Rocky Mountain Time? Check your settings in your profile - you can change it there.

Zvon Jun 25 2006 02:15 PM

They finally get Reyes out on a wicked liner to right. .299

Zvon Jun 25 2006 02:28 PM

This is the 1st time in a looooong time that I can remember Bradford coming into a situation where he wasnt bailing out Feliciano. Catalanotto smacks a two out double and aside from that Chad does a fine job in relief. This time Feliciano will follow him. Man, Bradford has been so good out of the pen. Its like they are takin turns out there steppin up (remember Sanchez early on)

Zvon Jun 25 2006 02:45 PM

I may have to rethink that biggest surprise thread post cuz Valentin is doing such a fantastic job as our second baseman. Some big kabooms, good field for the most part. Nice single here in the 8th. Could you imagine if we were still carryin Kaz in that slot? It was becoming such a downer when Kaz stepped in. You certainly dont feel that way when Valentin comes to the plate. Its 7-4 Mets- They sat Feliciano, and it looks like its gonna be Heilman for the 8th.

KC Jun 25 2006 02:51 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 25 2006 02:52 PM

I keep forgetting to go back to that thread. It was "most pleasant" not "biggest". Valentin has been biggest ... Beltran has been most pleasant (to me).

Edgy DC Jun 25 2006 02:51 PM

Aaron's fabled arm slot looks off.

Zvon Jun 25 2006 02:52 PM

KC wrote: I keep forgetting to go back to that thread. It was "most pleasant" not "biggest". Valentin has been biggest ... Beltran has been most pleasant. point taken. LMAO--the avatar!

Edgy DC Jun 25 2006 02:56 PM

Edgy DC wrote: Aaron's fabled arm slot looks off. Maybe I spoke too fast.

Zvon Jun 25 2006 02:57 PM

Edgy DC wrote: Aaron's fabled arm slot looks off. The movement on his pitches seem to move sideways. I really couldnt see the difference between his fastball and changeup via TV-- Oh wait-now i see--the change takes a lil dip. Heilman Ks two. Nice enough inning. Does he stay the 9th? They were showing Wags stretching out there.

dinosaur jesus Jun 25 2006 02:58 PM

Gotta be Wagner.

KC Jun 25 2006 03:00 PM

Jose get his 4th hit AGAIN ... he's freakin' unconsc, er unconci, er unbelievably hot.

Zvon Jun 25 2006 03:01 PM

Reyes with a 9th inning single, 32 for the last 57 (.561). Now batting .302 ! (he was hitting .246 before this hotstreak!) But they nab him tryin to steal second :(

Zvon Jun 25 2006 03:05 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 25 2006 03:08 PM

Okay-- a tip of the hat and a wag of the finger in Billys general direction.. Lets wrap this up. NO IMAGE AVAILABLE>

Edgy DC Jun 25 2006 03:08 PM

Wagner's throwing strikes. I'm OK wit' dat.

KC Jun 25 2006 03:10 PM

He walks another freakin' batter.

Edgy DC Jun 25 2006 03:11 PM

I spoke too fast. Again.

Zvon Jun 25 2006 03:13 PM

If he walked Glaus I wouldnt went off. Deep fly out, but Ill take that over a walk. Lets get this last one Wags.

KC Jun 25 2006 03:14 PM

He walks another freakin' batter.

Zvon Jun 25 2006 03:15 PM

UGH! was that 3-2 to Wells high?! it looked right at the letters to me!

Edgy DC Jun 25 2006 03:15 PM

Ouch. Tough call by Wally Bell.

Nymr83 Jun 25 2006 03:17 PM

wagner gets out of it in John Franco-like style

Edgy DC Jun 25 2006 03:18 PM

Franco never had heat like that. Here's another pointless argument to key Wagner toward lefties and elevate Sanchez (If he's OK) to co-closer to go after rigties.

Zvon Jun 25 2006 03:20 PM

Wagner looks wicked on Overbay tho- burns him with fastballs. What [u:ca9a906d3c]IS[/u:ca9a906d3c] Wagners problem? They mentioned 1st pitch strikes, or lack there of. I dunno, maybe it just comes with being a Met closer. Some kinda curse from the Gs of BB. But he gets it done, ThNkYoUvErYmUcH.

KC Jun 25 2006 03:20 PM

Trax wins fourth straight as Wags prevails (the guy makes me as nutty as Francobenitezblowjas ever did). Sisk was pre-internet.

Zvon Jun 25 2006 03:23 PM

Edgy DC wrote: Here's another pointless argument to key Wagner toward lefties and elevate Sanchez (If he's OK) to co-closer to go after rigties. Wagner does look like himself vs lefties. Maybe if we give Sanchez a HUUUUUUGE raise everyone will find this acceptable

dinosaur jesus Jun 25 2006 03:30 PM

Trachsel gets the benefit of some run support again. I wouldn't mind if he stayed this luck for the rest of the season. If you gave Pedro, game for game, the runs that Trachsel has gotten, he'd be 13-2. The weird part is that Trachsel would still e 6-4. Obviously the solution is to switch them in the rotation. Is there any way to let Willie know about this?

Zvon Jun 25 2006 03:33 PM

dinosaur jesus wrote: Trachsel gets the benefit of some run support again. I wouldn't mind if he stayed this luck for the rest of the season. If you gave Pedro, game for game, the runs that Trachsel has gotten, he'd be 13-2. The weird part is that Trachsel would still e 6-4. Obviously the solution is to switch them in the rotation. Is there any way to let Willie know about this? lol--but this is a tragic truth.

dinosaur jesus Jun 25 2006 03:37 PM

I meant to say, if you turned the tables and gave Trachsel Pedro's run support. I guess that was fairly clear.

ScarletKnight41 Jun 25 2006 04:59 PM

It was the reverse of yesterday's score :)

Frayed Knot Jun 25 2006 09:52 PM

The Reyes HR leading off the game is a great example of why "plate discipline" or "working the count" means so much more than just talking walks. Sometimes it means taking pitches just out of the zone to get yourself ahead in the count and then smacking the snot out of a 2-0 fastball when the pitcher realizes he better start throwing strikes. Reyes will never walk a lot, but planting the idea in the pitchers head that he's at risk of walking him is going to be a fierce weapon in and of itself. Walks for him (and for most) should be a by-product of the process, not the aim.

Nymr83 Jun 25 2006 10:08 PM

wrong and wrong. the WORST thing that can happen is for Reyes to start swinging for the fences. walks SHOULD be the goal for him because he needs to get his ass on base any way he can to benefit from his speed.

Frayed Knot Jun 25 2006 10:21 PM

Not saying he should swing for the fences, at least not indiscriminately. But what he's doing now that he hasn't done in the past is "zoning" on pitches when the count is in his favor - or even just neutral counts. In the past it wasn't so much that he swung at too many balls, it was that he went after virtually any pitch which was in or near the strike zone; iow, he was swinging at strikes, but they were pitcher's strikes. Given the choice - when ahead 2-0 in the count - between selectively choosing a pitch and going after it agressively, or automatically taking the pitch because the walk is the ultimate aim, I'll choose the latter more often than not with a speedy/contact hitter. The key, of course, is the discipline to pick out a particular type/location of pitch and spitting on anything else that doesn't fit the criteria. That is what he's developing and it will, in turn, lead to more walks as a matter of course because pitchers have to be much more careful with a dangerous hitter.

Edgy DC Jun 25 2006 10:45 PM

Walks shouldn't be the goal for anybody.

dinosaur jesus Jun 25 2006 10:51 PM

Is he really swinging for the fences when he hits it out, or is he just trying to make good contact?

Frayed Knot Jun 25 2006 11:08 PM

Good contact, IMO. He's got great hand/eye coordination, so centering on better pitches - as a result of being agressive when he's ahead in the count - has resulted in better (more level) swings hence more line drives. That's why I picked today's 1st inning HR as an example. He smoked that bad boy.

Nymr83 Jun 25 2006 11:36 PM

]Walks shouldn't be the goal for anybody. getting on base should be the goal for anybody who doesn't have great power (situations aside.) unless you are Ichiro, getting on base means drawing walks. trying to draw walks is a good idea, you take the hits when they come but walking should be your intention because you can't make an out when you walk as opposed to when you swing at a good pitch you can still ground out. the greatest leadoff hitter of all-time did it with walks. (career line of .279/.401/.419)

Edgy DC Jun 25 2006 11:51 PM

]unless you are Ichiro, getting on base means drawing walks. Getting on base means getting on base.

Elster88 Jun 26 2006 09:03 AM

Frayed Knot wrote: Good contact, IMO. He's got great hand/eye coordination, so centering on better pitches - as a result of being agressive when he's ahead in the count - has resulted in better (more level) swings hence more line drives. That's why I picked today's 1st inning HR as an example. He smoked that bad boy. I liked his second single even more. (I think it was the second, it was the one he grounded up the middle.) In the replay, you can see him almost getting up on his feet and swinging perfectly level, almost down on the ball, and hit it solidly. Perfectly in control the hole time, not stepping up the line, not upper-cutting. Our little baby's all grows up.

dinosaur jesus Jun 26 2006 09:33 AM

A hit is better than a walk. Even a single with no one on is marginally better, since it sometimes results in an error. Unless there's no one on base and you're going to steal second anyway, I don't think walking should ever be the primary goal. The walks should come when you're not getting good pitches to hit--that is, when the chances of getting a hit are quite low. And if you're willing to take the walks, you'll get more pitches to hit. Rickey did it with walks, especially late in his career, but I don't think anyone ever complained that Tony Gwynn didn't walk a lot. The ideal balance is what Boggs had: if it's in the strike zone it's a hit; if not, it's a walk. I don't see Reyes ever walking 100 times anyway; it's just not the kind of player he is. If he can hit for average, 60 would be plenty.