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Jose Valentin - Fact or Fiction?

Fact

14 votes

Fiction

7 votes

Other (explain)

1 votes

Elster88 Jun 23 2006 08:15 AM Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Jun 23 2006 09:31 AM

The other shoe is showing no signs of dropping. And yet I need something to be afraid of.

Edgy MD Jun 23 2006 08:28 AM

There are backup plans, and there is enough fuel in the lineup that Valentin can't crash this plane all by himself. So, for now, I'm enjoying the ride. Somebody find out what inspired him to bat lefty against a lefty.

Frayed Knot Jun 23 2006 08:30 AM

"Somebody find out what inspired him to bat lefty against a lefty." He said it was the change-up thing.

metirish Jun 23 2006 08:32 AM

It's fact that Valentin is born again, clearly Willie is handling Jose just right with enough off days to keep him fresh for the long haul,it will be interesting to see what Omar does, will he now see to need to trade for a Lugo or Vidro, the next 3 to 4 weeks should tell, but for now lets root for Valentin to keep playing great.

Elster88 Jun 23 2006 08:35 AM

Edgy DC wrote: There are backup plans, and there is enough fuel in the lineup that Valentin can't crash this plane all by himself. If the editing/writing thing ever gets boring, I think the suicide hotline could use you.

smg58 Jun 23 2006 09:07 AM

He's fact for now. I'm worried that he'll continue to play well for the next six weeks and then reality with strike hard immediately after the deadline. As it stands I'd keep the phone lines open about deals, but I'm in no hurry to make one.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 23 2006 09:10 AM

Even if Valentin cools, I don't think he'll revert to awful. He can always drift down to the 8th spot in the lineup and the Mets will still have a strong offense. If I were to make a deadline deal, I'd want to import a starting pitcher to put into the mix. It doesn't have to be a Dontrelle or a Barry, either. But I'd like to add someone experienced, reliable, and in his 30's who won't cost us prized prospects, if such a deal can be made.

Hillbilly Jun 23 2006 11:19 AM

Other = A reputable “wellness clinicâ€

Nymr83 Jun 23 2006 12:12 PM

Valentin will crash back to earth (and by earth i mean his average numbers over the last few years.) But the Mets are ready and willing to replace him when that happens just as they have replaced the previous two slackers this season.

Frayed Knot Jun 23 2006 02:27 PM

Simply saying that you'll - and assume that the someone will be an improvement - is easier said than done.

Nymr83 Jun 23 2006 03:35 PM

Frayed Knot wrote: Simply saying that you'll - and assume that the someone will be an improvement - is easier said than done. English please? "you'll" what?

Zvon Jul 08 2006 11:00 PM

After today Im startin to think that he's for real. Fact: that was his 9th career grand slam. Thats alotta slams man. I went lookin for the pleasent surprise thread and bumped this instead. But lemme say here I change my vote for that to Valentine. Im sold.

Nymr83 Jul 08 2006 11:24 PM

Zvon wrote: But lemme say here I change my vote for that to Valentine. Im sold. who? ME?

Elster88 Jul 10 2006 08:27 AM

Last 30 days: .259/.302/.556//.858 24 G, 81 AB, 8 2B, 2 3B, 4 HR, 16 RBI, 13 R. I'll take it.

Elster88 Jul 10 2006 08:29 AM

Do we need to hit him leadoff though?

Elster88 Jul 26 2006 04:46 PM

Jose Valentin has the fourth highest OPS (.862) among Met position players Beltran .985 Wright .950 Delgado .865 Valentin .862 Nady .812 Reyes .799 Floyd .780 Marrero .763 Lo Duca .753 Chavez .745 Milledge .706 Franco .699

Elster88 Jul 31 2006 11:54 AM

A full season of 2006 Valentin (projected to 500 at-bats) .289 AVG, .337 OBP, .523 SLG, .860 OPS 35.6 2B, 6.3 3B 77.4 R, 23.0 HR, 90.0 RBI 39.7 BB, 85.8 K That's approaching a 1988 McReynolds....who batted fifth on that team....and Valentin bats eighth for this team. Draw your own conclusions from there.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 31 2006 11:58 AM

He's this year's Ray Knight. Which means that second base probably remains an offseason task this winter. But for now, we're good.

Edgy MD Jul 31 2006 11:58 AM

Well, sure but these aren't 1988 dollars. Your greater point, that he's given us all we could have hoped for, between Bret Boone's tears, is well taken.

Elster88 Jul 31 2006 12:04 PM

Edgy DC wrote: Well, sure but these aren't 1988 dollars. Yeah. Not 100% sure that I'm understanding your metaphor, but of course I agree that offense is a lot easier to come by today. But, to me at least, the similarity is startling. 1988 Mac (552 AB): .288/.336/.496//.832 25 2B, 3 3B 82 R, 27 HR, 99 RBI 38 BB, 56 K 2006 Valentin (projected to 500 AB): .289 AVG, .337 OBP, .523 SLG, .860 OPS 35.6 2B, 6.3 3B 77.4 R, 23.0 HR, 90.0 RBI 39.7 BB, 85.8 K

Elster88 Jul 31 2006 12:21 PM

Edgy DC wrote: Well, sure but these aren't 1988 dollars. BTW, that's another great thing about the CPF all-time rankings. They are adjusted for inflation.

Elster88 Aug 11 2006 11:46 AM

So what the hell is the deal that a player like Valentin or Chavez is seeing such success this year? How on earth is Tucker slapping RBI doubles and throwing bbs to nail guys at second?

MFS62 Aug 11 2006 11:47 AM

Elster88 wrote: So what the hell is the deal that a player like Valentin or Chavez is seeing such success this year? How on earth is Tucker slapping RBI doubles and throwing bbs to nail guys at second? The magic is back. Later

metirish Aug 12 2006 04:03 PM

Jose failed to make the list for "Comeback Player Of the Year", Beltran is on the list. http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/ ... /index.jsp

Elster88 Aug 13 2006 12:32 AM

That's okay in my book. I don't see how you can be a comeback player if you never got there before. I think, though I could be wrong, that Jose's best years before this year were along the lines of .220, 20 HR and 20 errors.

Edgy MD Aug 13 2006 06:16 AM

Better than that. Look it up... five straight years of 25-30 homers. Declining batting averages, but still not typicallly so low as that.