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Elster88 Jun 27 2006 10:12 AM

Interesting SoSH [url=http://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?showtopic=6381]thread[/url] on whether or not Pedro will be booed, started in response to a Peter Gammons' comment in a NY Post [url=http://www.nypost.com/sports/bean_there__done_that_sports_andrew_marchand.htm]article[/url]. Here is the quote in question: ]A New Englander for all of his 61 years, ESPN's Peter Gammons has a good feel for Boston, so he probably is the right person to predict the reaction Pedro Martinez will receive when he returns to Fenway as a Met. "There will be a lot of booing,'' Gammons said of Martinez' scheduled Wednesday start. Gammons doesn't think the booing is deserved, but said that some Boston sports-talk radio hosts and Web sites have made it a point to present Martinez as greedy for leaving the Red Sox for the four-year, $53 million Met offer in 2005. "It is really unfair, some of the hits he takes here on the radio and shots people take at him,'' Gammons said.

Elster88 Jun 27 2006 10:15 AM

As much as the "enlightened" New York sports' fan hates M&MD, I've heard from some Bostonians that they seem like geniuses compared to the comparable show on their station WEEI. I've never actually listened to said show myself.

MFS62 Jun 27 2006 11:25 AM

I was in Boston on buisness a few years ago. It was the year the Celtics moved from the Boston Garden to the Fleet Center. I called WEEI to say how much the "Grand Old Lady" would be missed and to talk about some memories of games I'd seen televised from that place.. The host listened appreciatively. But when I mentioned that I was from New York, he treated me like I had leprosy and quickly cut me off. They are very parochial about their sports on that station. I think the Boston fans I've met were usually more willing to discuss sports in general with you (beyond their local teams). Later

Willets Point Jun 27 2006 11:29 AM

WEEI is just bad, bad, bad. Testosterone-fueled reactionarism at its worst.

SteveJRogers Jun 27 2006 11:42 AM

MFS62 wrote: I was in Boston on buisness a few years ago. It was the year the Celtics moved from the Boston Garden to the Fleet Center. I called WEEI to say how much the "Grand Old Lady" would be missed and to talk about some memories of games I'd seen televised from that place.. The host listened appreciatively. But when I mentioned that I was from New York, he treated me like I had leprosy and quickly cut me off. They are very parochial about their sports on that station. I think the Boston fans I've met were usually more willing to discuss sports in general with you (beyond their local teams). Later Thats bad. I think they are tied in with that Boston.com Dirt Dogs site I saw where the home page is saying boo Pedro and such Its not like you called and said "The Boston Garden should ROT IN HELL! MSG IS THE BEST THERE IS, BEST THERE WAS...ect" Love or hate WFAN, they'll let outside market callers have their say, even just to garner a sense of whats going on in that market

metirish Jun 27 2006 11:49 AM

I was reading today on Boston.com where Bob Ryan said any fans that boo Pedro are fools, for what that's worth.

MFS62 Jun 27 2006 12:04 PM

Thanks. Boston fans usually stand up and salute when Ryan speaks. It will be interesting to see (hear?) what happens. Later

Centerfield Jun 27 2006 12:12 PM

I don't see why they would be fools. Pedro is no longer on the Red Sox...and though he did a lot for their franchise, he chose to leave for greener pastures. If it were up to me, I wouldn't boo Pedro...much like I will embrace Piazza (remember, he was offered a "deal" too) when he returns. But if someone chooses to boo a player on another team, I don't see how that makes them foolish.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 27 2006 12:23 PM

The nearest thing I can think of in Mets history is Darryl Strawberry, who was, of course, a bit less likable than Pedro. I was at Shea when Darryl made his first appearance as a Dodger in New York, but I don't remember what the reaction from the fans was. I suspect it was probably a lot more booing than cheering. But I don't recall Darryl having any nice parting words for New York when he left. Another free agent I can think of who could have returned but chose not to was Mike Hampton. And he didn't have a long history with the Mets, and his crap about the quality of local schools pretty much clinched an unfriendly return for him. Who else is there? John Olerud? He probably would have gotten a nice hand, but I don't think he ever returned to Shea. Sid Fernandez? I can't remember the circumstances of his departure. He signed as a free agent with Baltimore, but I don't know if the Mets tried to keep him. Piazza and Alfonzo didn't really have the option of staying, so they can't really be "blamed" for leaving. What other star free agents have the Mets lost? There really haven't been that many.

Willets Point Jun 27 2006 12:24 PM

Mike Hampton. Don't forget the "LOOSER" sign.

SteveJRogers Jun 27 2006 12:36 PM

Yancy Street Gang wrote: The nearest thing I can think of in Mets history is Darryl Strawberry, who was, of course, a bit less likable than Pedro. I was at Shea when Darryl made his first appearance as a Dodger in New York, but I don't remember what the reaction from the fans was. I suspect it was probably a lot more booing than cheering. But I don't recall Darryl having any nice parting words for New York when he left. Another free agent I can think of who could have returned but chose not to was Mike Hampton. And he didn't have a long history with the Mets, and his crap about the quality of local schools pretty much clinched an unfriendly return for him. Who else is there? John Olerud? He probably would have gotten a nice hand, but I don't think he ever returned to Shea. Sid Fernandez? I can't remember the circumstances of his departure. He signed as a free agent with Baltimore, but I don't know if the Mets tried to keep him. Piazza and Alfonzo didn't really have the option of staying, so they can't really be "blamed" for leaving. What other star free agents have the Mets lost? There really haven't been that many. Straw was more based on him being the Met version of Patrick Ewing. The guy that was supposed to be the savior and despite one or two moments in the NLCS and WS really wasn't THE GUY that delivered the championship. Don't forget him coming up short on his "monster years" despite his saying that he would deliver on a Mantle-esque type of season Sid I think was simply a sign of the team going small market, not really signing the old guard and just simply moving on

Mr. Zero Jun 27 2006 12:39 PM

Some almost enlightened New York based Sox (and a couple Wankee) fans on [url=http://yanksfansoxfan.typepad.com/ysfs/2006/06/20_years.html#comments]booing.[/url]

Nymr83 Jun 27 2006 01:34 PM

Willets Point wrote: Mike Hampton. Don't forget the "LOOSER" sign. he got what he deserved, "great school district" my ass. if you left for the money, be honest and say so, i won't boo you for trying to secure your family's financial future. if i were a sox fan i dont think i could boo pedro, he helped you win a WS, for 99.9% of Sox fans the first of their lifetime. for what its worth i wouldnt boo piazza either.

MFS62 Jun 27 2006 01:57 PM

I asked a friend of mine, a longtime Red Sox fan (he posted on FASTBALL as "Still Cursing Bucky") what he would do. Here is his reply as he said he posted on SOSH. Later ]I just can't imagine booing Pedro. I know some will, but when the hamster comes off the wheel inside some folks heads, what can you do? Those six no-hit innings in Cleveland in '99 meant I got to go to one last game with my Dad, for that I'm eternally grateful. And seven shutout innings in St. Louis in 2004 mean my son never has to be sad that his old man never saw them win one. And the 17K game in Yankee stadium is the best game any of us will ever see pitched. Five K's in 2 IP in the '99 All-Star Game, with all five victims at least borderline HOF candidates. And on and on it goes - the brightest peak any pitcher ever had happened while Pedro Martinez pitched for the Sox - anything less than the biggest ovation a visiting player at Fenway has ever received would be bush league, IMO. If I wasn't so goddam broke right now - I'd happily shell out the several hundred bucks it'd take to get an obstructed view ticket for this on e-bay. [/unapologetically slobbering fanboy]

Nymr83 Jun 27 2006 02:14 PM

]And on and on it goes - the brightest peak any pitcher ever had happened while Pedro Martinez pitched for the Sox Koufax. but this guy's points are right on, would met fans boo Seaver (did they?)

Benjamin Grimm Jun 27 2006 02:19 PM

No. I was there for Seaver's return, too. He got a big hand when he took the mound, but then we all rooted for Jerry Koosman to beat him and his Reds. Didn't happen, though.

ScarletKnight41 Jun 27 2006 03:10 PM

I rooted for Seaver that day. I was pretty mad at the Mets that year.

Iubitul Jun 27 2006 04:57 PM

Nymr83 wrote: would met fans boo Seaver (did they?) Apples and Oranges. Seaver didn't willingly leave.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 28 2006 04:22 AM

And the Boston fans showed Pedro lots of love during Tuesday's game. Nice to see. I hope we see more of the same when Pedro's on the mound tonight.

Frayed Knot Jun 28 2006 07:19 AM

Iubitul wrote: ="Nymr83"]would met fans boo Seaver (did they?) Apples and Oranges. Seaver didn't willingly leave. Well he did pretty much force his way out of town. Now you can re-hash all the 'who started it' details but I do remember being somewhat resentful of him at the time. I was at his return game also and while I didn't boo him I was upset at all the Met fans who were cheering for him over the team as he out-dueled Koosman that afternoon (and hit a double btw).

Edgy DC Jun 28 2006 07:23 AM

Expo fans had it right. Standing O for Gary Carter upon his return, then they accepted --- almost by the next at-bat --- that he was the cleanup hitter for the opposition and rooted against him accordingly.

metirish Jun 28 2006 07:27 AM

A certain famous poster on the SoSH had this to say about Perdo.. ] ``You can't possibly want to boo this guy," proclaims Gehrig38, a regular contributor to the Sons of Sam Horn website. ``What you got a chance to see included three of the most dominating seasons in baseball history." I thought it was class that the Sox took the initiative with the video welcome, good stuff all round. http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2006/06/28/cheers_would_raise_bar/

Elster88 Jun 28 2006 07:29 AM

I didn't see his post yesterday. I'll look at that thread again.

MFS62 Jun 28 2006 07:32 AM

I believe Gehrig38 was the screen name of Curt Schilling when he participated in a strat league on the Dickie Thon Fan Club site (the one that spun off the SOSH) last year. That could be him. Later

silverdsl Jun 28 2006 07:34 AM

I understand why some fans will feel compelled to boo, but as G38 points out, Pedro had some outstanding seasons for the RS, and fans saw some incredibly dominating pitching performances from him. I guess it's just me, but if I were a RS fan, I'd rather cheer in memory of those things and concentrate on all the ways he helped the team to win when he was there, rather than focus on the negative and when he left.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 28 2006 07:47 AM

MFS62 wrote: I believe Gehrig38 was the screen name of Curt Schilling when he participated in a strat league on the Dickie Thon Fan Club site (the one that spun off the SOSH) last year. That could be him. By George, you may be right!

metirish Jun 28 2006 07:48 AM

I wonder what "certain famous poster" metirish was talking about.....

Benjamin Grimm Jun 28 2006 07:49 AM

We gotta get David Wright to join our little group!

Edgy DC Jun 28 2006 08:00 AM

Adept move by the Sox management giving him the welcome yesterday when he can't hurt them, rather than a day when he's pitching and nobody wants the fans or the Sox having any warm fuzzies for him.

Elster88 Jun 28 2006 09:11 AM

Gehrig38 is about midway down [url=http://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?showtopic=6381&st=240]this page[/url]

seawolf17 Jun 28 2006 09:20 AM

Yancy Street Gang wrote: We gotta get David Wright to join our little group! Maybe I'm already here...

Elster88 Jun 28 2006 09:43 AM

]I remember him pitching the best game I've ever seen, the 17-strikeout one-hitter at Yankee Stadium in '99. You'll recall that the one hit was a solo homer by New York DH Chili Davis. The TV replays soon revealed something truly amazing: Davis had his eyes closed when his bat connected with the ball. That's what it took to hit Pedro in those days: blind friggin' luck.

SteveJRogers Jun 28 2006 10:15 AM

MFS62 wrote: I believe Gehrig38 was the screen name of Curt Schilling when he participated in a strat league on the Dickie Thon Fan Club site (the one that spun off the SOSH) last year. That could be him. Later Yeah thats Curt. Nice to see he's not continuing his diva vs diva act that he had with Pedro (that kind of forced Pedro to want to leave along with the more years) Schilling's son's name is Gehrig and Curt has long been associated with ALS related charities

Willets Point Jun 28 2006 10:16 AM

Boo Pedro in Boston? They're canonizing him: Story.

Elster88 Jun 28 2006 10:19 AM

SteveJRogers wrote: Yeah thats Curt. I had no idea!!!!!

old original jb Jun 28 2006 10:41 AM

Nymr83 wrote: ="Willets Point"]Mike Hampton. Don't forget the "LOOSER" sign. he got what he deserved, "great school district" my ass. if you left for the money, be honest and say so, i won't boo you for trying to secure your family's financial future. if i were a sox fan i dont think i could boo pedro, he helped you win a WS, for 99.9% of Sox fans the first of their lifetime. for what its worth i wouldnt boo piazza either. Maybe his kids couldn't get into Bronx Science or Stuyvesant.

SteveJRogers Jun 28 2006 10:52 AM

Or Scarsdale!