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BLC: The Byrds vs. The Velvet Underground

A Boy Named Seo
Jul 08 2006 02:12 PM

[url=http://chingonrecords.com/mp3s/thebyrds/Mr.%20Tambourine%20Man.mp3]Mr. Tambourine Man[/url]

[url=http://chingonrecords.com/mp3s/thebyrds/Hickory%20Wind.mp3]Hickory Wind[/url]

[url=http://chingonrecords.com/mp3s/thebyrds/So%20You%20Want%20to%20Be%20a%20Rock%20&%20Roll%20Star.mp3]So You Want to be a Rock & Roll Star[/url]

[url=http://chingonrecords.com/mp3s/thebyrds/Eight%20Miles%20High.mp3]Eight Miles High[/url]

[url=http://chingonrecords.com/mp3s/thebyrds/Pretty%20Boy%20Floyd.mp3]Pretty Boy Floyd[/url]

[url=http://chingonrecords.com/mp3s/thebyrds/5D%20(Fifth%20Dimension).mp3]5D (Fifth Dimension)[/url]

[url=http://chingonrecords.com/mp3s/thebyrds/I'll%20Feel%20A%20Whole%20Lot%20Better.mp3]I'll Feel A Whole Lot Better[/url]

[url=http://chingonrecords.com/mp3s/thebyrds/You%20Don't%20Miss%20Your%20Water.mp3]You Don't Miss Your Water[/url]

[url=http://chingonrecords.com/mp3s/thebyrds/Mr.%20Spaceman.mp3]Mr. Spaceman[/url]

[url=http://chingonrecords.com/mp3s/thebyrds/Turn!%20Turn!%20Turn!%20(To%20Everything%20There%20Is%20a%20Season).mp3]Turn! Turn! Turn! (To Everything There Is A Season)[/url]

sharpie
Jul 10 2006 12:38 PM

Paging Rotblatt both here and Smithereens vs. Pogues.

Edgy DC
Jul 10 2006 12:52 PM

Not that you want to change your fine linuep, but just Seo you know, covers are permitted.

Willets Point
Jul 10 2006 01:05 PM

I see at least two covers in that list. Seo could probably make a list of 10 Dylan covers, but I appreciate that he's making the Byrds stand on their own two webbed feet.

Edgy DC
Jul 10 2006 01:18 PM

]I see at least two covers in that list.


Of course, I was, um, um.... Help me out here. He changed the list... somehow without it being footnoted. Yeah, that's my story.

A Boy Named Seo
Jul 10 2006 02:58 PM

I've got a few in there.

Mr. Tambourine Man - Dylan cover

Hickory Wind - Byrds - Parsons (Pre-Byrds)

So You Want to be a Rock & Roll Star - Byrds (Hillman/McGuinn)

Eight Miles High - Byrds (Clark)

Pretty Boy Floyd - Woody Guthrie cover

5D (Fifth Dimension) - Byrds (McGuinn)

I'll Feel A Whole Lot Better - Byrds (Clark)

You Don't Miss Your Water - cover, written by William Bell (I thought this was a Byrds original for some reason)

Mr. Spaceman - Byrds (McGuinn)

Turn! Turn! Turn! (To Everything There Is A Season) - Pete Seeger cover

In the next round, I'm going strictly off this:

sharpie
Jul 10 2006 03:24 PM

sharpie says: "Chimes of Freedom" is the best Byrds Dylan cover.

Willets Point
Jul 14 2006 07:34 AM

Bump.

Rotblatt
Jul 14 2006 02:21 PM

Well, shit.

Sorry, everyone!

1. Sweet Jane
2. Rock n' Roll
3. Waiting for the Man
4. All Tomorrow's Parties
5. What Goes On
6. I'll Be Your Mirror
7. Pale Blue Eyes
8. White Light/White Heat
9. Heroin
10. Beginning to See the Light

VU previews [url=http://www.last.fm/music/The+Velvet+Underground]here [/url].

Edgy DC
Jul 14 2006 03:01 PM
Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Jul 14 2006 09:54 PM

vs.

"[url=http://chingonrecords.com/mp3s/thebyrds/Mr.%20Tambourine%20Man.mp3]Mr. Tambourine Man[/url]"vs."[url=http://www.last.fm/music/The+Velvet+Underground]Sweet Jane[/url]"
"[url=http://chingonrecords.com/mp3s/thebyrds/Hickory%20Wind.mp3]Hickory Wind[/url]"vs."[url=http://www.last.fm/music/The+Velvet+Underground]Rock n' Roll[/url]"
"[url=http://chingonrecords.com/mp3s/thebyrds/So%20You%20Want%20to%20Be%20a%20Rock%20&%20Roll%20Star.mp3]So You Want to be a Rock & Roll Star[/url]"vs."[url=http://www.last.fm/music/The+Velvet+Underground]Waiting for the Man[/url]"
"[url=http://chingonrecords.com/mp3s/thebyrds/Eight%20Miles%20High.mp3]Eight Miles High[/url]"vs."[url=http://www.last.fm/music/The+Velvet+Underground]All Tomorrow's Parties[/url]"
"[url=http://chingonrecords.com/mp3s/thebyrds/Pretty%20Boy%20Floyd.mp3]Pretty Boy Floyd[/url]"vs."[url=http://www.last.fm/music/The+Velvet+Underground]What Goes On[/url]"
"[url=http://chingonrecords.com/mp3s/thebyrds/5D%20(Fifth%20Dimension).mp3]5D (Fifth Dimension)[/url]"vs."[url=http://www.last.fm/music/The+Velvet+Underground]I'll Be Your Mirror[/url]"
"[url=http://chingonrecords.com/mp3s/thebyrds/I'll%20Feel%20A%20Whole%20Lot%20Better.mp3]I'll Feel A Whole Lot Better[/url]"vs."[url=http://www.last.fm/music/The+Velvet+Underground]Pale Blue Eyes[/url]"
"[url=http://chingonrecords.com/mp3s/thebyrds/You%20Don't%20Miss%20Your%20Water.mp3]You Don't Miss Your Water[/url]"vs."[url=http://www.last.fm/music/The+Velvet+Underground]White Light/White Heat[/url]"
"[url=http://chingonrecords.com/mp3s/thebyrds/Mr.%20Spaceman.mp3]Mr. Spaceman[/url]"vs."[url=http://www.last.fm/music/The+Velvet+Underground]Heroin[/url]"
"[url=http://chingonrecords.com/mp3s/thebyrds/Turn!%20Turn!%20Turn!%20(To%20Everything%20There%20Is%20a%20Season).mp3]Turn! Turn! Turn! (To Everything There Is A Season)[/url]"vs."[url=http://www.last.fm/music/The+Velvet+Underground]Beginning to See the Light[/url]"
Interesting Fact: The Byrds first single was "Mr. Tambourine Man," which went to number one with a bullet. Record companies being what they are, the second single was another Dylan cover --- "All I Really Want to Do." It was a fine arrangement, and did OK, but Cher had released a (now largely forgotten) version of the song a few weeks earlier. Had they used the B-Side --- Gene Clark's original "Feel a Whole Lot Better" --- as an A-Side, they would've had a bigger hit, made a more rock-credible impression of themselves, and likely shaken their rep as being Dylan-dependent years earlier than it was shed.
Interesting Fact: Modern Lover (and Talking Head) Jerry Robinson once claimed he met Jonathan Richman at a party when he saw the distinctive banana-featuring album The Velvet Underground & Nico floating above the throng, and someone yelling, "Put on this album!"

sharpie
Jul 14 2006 05:50 PM

"Mr. Tambourine Man" vs. "Sweet Jane" VU. Byrds don't improve on the Dylan version and Sweet Jane is awfully hard to beat.
"Hickory Wind" vs. "Rock n' Roll" VU
"So You Want to be a Rock & Roll Star" vs. "Waiting for the Man" Byrds. Close.
"Eight Miles High" vs. "All Tomorrow's Parties" Byrds. Their best song.
"Pretty Boy Floyd" vs. "What Goes On" Byrds
"5D (Fifth Dimension)" vs. "I'll Be Your Mirror" VU (not my favorite for either)
"I'll Feel A Whole Lot Better" vs. "Pale Blue Eyes" VU
"You Don't Miss Your Water" vs. "White Light/White Heat" VU
"Mr. Spaceman" vs. "Heroin" VU. Weird matchup of a jokey song vs. a love song to drugs.
"Turn! Turn! Turn! (To Everything There Is A Season)" vs. "Beginning to See the Light" Byrds

Velvets 6
Byrds 4

Two great bands.

RealityChuck
Jul 14 2006 07:40 PM

"Mr. Tambourine Man" vs. "Sweet Jane" -- slight edge to VU. Two great songs
"Hickory Wind" vs. "Rock n' Roll" -- tie
"So You Want to be a Rock & Roll Star" vs. "Waiting for the Man" -- Byrds
"Eight Miles High" vs. "All Tomorrow's Parties" --Byrds
"Pretty Boy Floyd" vs. "What Goes On" -- tie
"5D (Fifth Dimension)" vs. "I'll Be Your Mirror" -- Tie
"I'll Feel A Whole Lot Better" vs. "Pale Blue Eyes" -- Byrds
"You Don't Miss Your Water" vs. "White Light/White Heat" -- tie
"Mr. Spaceman" vs. "Heroin" -- Byrds Humor wins over depression.
"Turn! Turn! Turn! (To Everything There Is A Season)" vs. "Beginning to See the Light" -- tie

6.5-4.5 for the Rickenbaker.

Johnny Dickshot
Jul 14 2006 08:26 PM

Chuck's vote is actually 6-4 for the Byrds.

"Mr. Tambourine Man" vs. "Sweet Jane"
--Byrds

"Hickory Wind" vs. "Rock n' Roll"
--VU

"So You Want to be a Rock & Roll Star" vs. "Waiting for the Man"
--Byrds in a close one

"Eight Miles High" vs. "All Tomorrow's Parties"
--Byrds

"Pretty Boy Floyd" vs. "What Goes On"
--Interesting Byrds choice, they win.

"5D (Fifth Dimension)" vs. "I'll Be Your Mirror"
--Byrds

"I'll Feel A Whole Lot Better" vs. "Pale Blue Eyes"
--VU

"You Don't Miss Your Water" vs. "White Light/White Heat"
--VU

"Mr. Spaceman" vs. "Heroin"
--Byrds

"Turn! Turn! Turn! (To Everything There Is A Season)" vs. "Beginning to See the Light"
--Kills me to vote. VU

My vote is 6-4 for the Byrds too. Good contest.

A Boy Named Seo
Jul 15 2006 02:20 PM

"Mr. Tambourine Man" vs. "Sweet Jane" BYRDS
"Hickory Wind" vs. "Rock n' Roll" BYRDS - One of my fav GP songs ever.
"So You Want to be a Rock & Roll Star" vs. "Waiting for the Man" BYRDS
"Eight Miles High" vs. "All Tomorrow's Parties" BYRDS
"Pretty Boy Floyd" vs. "What Goes On" TIE - I love the trippy, delayed solo in "WGO".
"5D (Fifth Dimension)" vs. "I'll Be Your Mirror" VELVET UNDERGROUND - Clem Snide does an awesome cover of "I'll Be Your Mirror" and made me really dig that song.
"I'll Feel A Whole Lot Better" vs. "Pale Blue Eyes" VELVET UNDERGROUND. Man, I love both of those songs.
"You Don't Miss Your Water" vs. "White Light/White Heat" BYRDS
"Mr. Spaceman" vs. "Heroin" BYRDS
"Turn! Turn! Turn! (To Everything There Is A Season)" vs. "Beginning to See the Light" TIE - Kinda wussy, but so what.

BYRDS 7-3 I don't know how well it'd score with the voters, but maybe my favorite VU song is "Jesus". Just beautiful.

A Boy Named Seo
Jul 15 2006 02:43 PM

]"Pretty Boy Floyd" vs. "What Goes On"
--Interesting Byrds choice, they win.


Gram Parsons and to a lesser degree "Sweetheart of the Radio" are often heralded, right or wrong, for being the country-rock's founding father and being the seminal country-rock album. Maybe. But even though a million people have covered Woody Guthrie, I thought "Pretty Boy Floyd" probably exposed a lot of people to Guthrie's work at the time ('68), and even more so now as that album's grown in popularity as time's passed. The Byrds version of "PBF" even wound up on a very awesome 2004 bluegrass anthology called "Can't You Hear Me Callin' - Bluegrass: 80 Years of American Music". I think it showed their talent, range, and brass-ballsiness for covering that song in that style.

Willets Point
Jul 15 2006 10:28 PM

"Mr. Tambourine Man" vs. "Sweet Jane" Tie
"Hickory Wind" vs. "Rock n' Roll" The Velvet Underground
"So You Want to be a Rock & Roll Star" vs. "Waiting for the Man" The Byrds
"Eight Miles High" vs. "All Tomorrow's Parties" The Byrds
"Pretty Boy Floyd" vs. "What Goes On" The Velvet Underground
"5D (Fifth Dimension)" vs. "I'll Be Your Mirror" The Byrds
"I'll Feel A Whole Lot Better" vs. "Pale Blue Eyes" The Byrds
"You Don't Miss Your Water" vs. "White Light/White Heat" The Velvet Underground
"Mr. Spaceman" vs. "Heroin" Tie
"Turn! Turn! Turn! (To Everything There Is A Season)" vs. "Beginning to See the Light" Tie

The Byrds 5.5: 4.5 The Velvet Underground

A lot of damn good songs here. These are my favorite types of matchups.

sharpie
Jul 18 2006 09:55 AM

Vote, ye lazy bastards.

Edgy DC
Jul 18 2006 10:40 AM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 18 2006 12:36 PM

"Mr. Tambourine Man" vs. "Sweet Jane"

Anyone who ever had a heart… wouldn’t vote against “Sweet Jane” in this instance. Velvet Underground.

"Hickory Wind" vs. "Rock n' Roll"

I don’t know “Hickory Wind” from Jimmy Dean’s Hickory Smoked Sausages, and I couldn’t get the MP3 to play, but I gave it a listen to an Amazon 30-second clip and liked what I heard. I can’t vote against my long-term relationship with “Rock n’ Roll” in this case, but I’d probably pick it in another match-up. Velvet Underground.

"So You Want to be a Rock & Roll Star" vs. "Waiting for the Man"

In a better world, “So You Want to be a Rock & Roll Star” matches up against “Rock n’ Roll.” I want to be a rock and roll star, and I don’t want to be a junkie. Byrds.

"Eight Miles High" vs. "All Tomorrow's Parties"

Does it say more about the bands, about the “issues” or about me, that I enter into the not-enough-money-for-a-stylish-party-dress tragedy of “All Tomorrow’s Parties” more than the atomic-doom tragedy of “Eight Miles High.” Byrds.

"Pretty Boy Floyd" vs. "What Goes On"

“What Goes On” has a great rockin’ rhythm but it’s too damn lo-fi even by VU standards, sounding too washed out to dance to. That guitar interplay, by the way, is the direct ancestor of the riffing from Matthew Sweet’s “Girlfriend.”) “Pretty Boy Floyd” is a little goofy. Maybe it should match up with “Rocky Racoon.” Tie.

"5D (Fifth Dimension)" vs. "I'll Be Your Mirror"

“5D” is the Byrds — in the sense that Dylan’s sound and the Rubber Soul is still there, but what’s theirs shines sweetly over what’s borrowed. I love “I’ll Be Your Mirror,” but I’m going to throw this slightly one to the Byrds because Nico is Nico.

"I'll Feel A Whole Lot Better" vs. "Pale Blue Eyes"

I’m going to throw this one to VU, as a thank you for writing a pretty song and letting Lou sing it instead of Nico. Really faint harmonies are pretty too. Velvet Underground.

"You Don't Miss Your Water" vs. "White Light/White Heat"

“WL/WH” wins but thanks for reminding me how cool the Country Byrds were. Velvet Underground.

"Mr. Spaceman" vs. "Heroin"

The slowing down and speeding up carry the day for “Heroin.” People don’t generally put up with those sorts of arrangement indulgences without being high themselves. Lou has them gripped though. Velvet Underground.

"Turn! Turn! Turn! (To Everything There Is A Season)" vs. "Beginning to See the Light"

A great lead vocal (a) of what could’ve been a boilerplate folkie cover, and (b) that could’ve been washed away in the harmonies, really sells “T!T!T!” Byrds.

I had no idea which way I was going when I was voting. VU is one of my bands and the Byrds aren't. But this contest asks you to put aside your self-image and re-assess. And I'm not sure I've particularly liked the VU lineups I've been seeing. So let's count.

RoundByrdsTiesVU
1

X
2

X
3X

4X

5
X
6X

7

X
8

X
9

X
10X



Looks like an edge to the Velvets, 5.5-4.5.

I've got to buy me that Sweetheart album, though.

Rotblatt
Jul 18 2006 12:25 PM

I'm not familiar with the Byrds and don't have time to familiarize myself, so I'm going to have to pass on this one.

Which is unfortunate, cause it looks like I could potentially push VU over the edge!

sharpie
Jul 18 2006 02:41 PM

Byrds swoop down on the Velvet Underground, 33.5-26.5.

seawolf17
Jul 18 2006 04:43 PM

Rotty, we both should have voted. Nuts. We can only blame ourselves.