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IMT: 2006 FIFA World Cup Final, Italy vs. France
| A Boy Named Seo Jul 09 2006 01:36 PM |
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1 billion TV viewers...
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| metirish Jul 09 2006 01:41 PM |
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I just hope for a great game, I hate the ABC studio crew.
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| metirish Jul 09 2006 01:45 PM |
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France (4-2-3-1) 16-Fabien Barthez; 19-Willy Sagnol, 15-Lilian Thuram, 5-William Gallas, 3-Eric Abidal; 4-Patrick Vieira, 6-Claude Makelele; 22-Franck Ribery, 10-Zinedine Zidane (captain), 7-Florent Malouda; 12-Thierry Henry.
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| A Boy Named Seo Jul 09 2006 01:57 PM |
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Ribery looks like a hooligan who stole a jersey and snuck on the field.
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| A Boy Named Seo Jul 09 2006 02:03 PM |
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Henry knocked pretty hard on a clean pick. Very slow to get up and currently sitting out. France is screwed if they lose him.
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| metirish Jul 09 2006 02:07 PM |
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I thought the PK call was a tough one but the finish by Zidane was sublime.
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| A Boy Named Seo Jul 09 2006 02:07 PM |
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Holy shit! France gets a PK on a flop and Zidane chips in a slow, looping eephus kick for a 1-0 lead!
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| A Boy Named Seo Jul 09 2006 02:23 PM |
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Beautiful header off a corner kick ties it at 1. Italy's looked superior the first 20 minutes.
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| A Boy Named Seo Jul 09 2006 02:42 PM |
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The wave? C'mon...
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| A Boy Named Seo Jul 09 2006 03:19 PM |
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France is really playing aggressively this half. Henry's put on a dribbling clinique, with ball handling that would make Anna Benson blush.
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| A Boy Named Seo Jul 09 2006 03:21 PM |
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Whoa, Italy has a goal in the 61st minute wiped off due to offsides. Was freakin' close.
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| A Boy Named Seo Jul 09 2006 03:23 PM |
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This has been a great, defensive match. It's been pretty physical, too. Kudos to the refs for letting the kids play.
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| A Boy Named Seo Jul 09 2006 04:10 PM |
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Outstanding save on a Zidane header that would've given France the lead.
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| A Boy Named Seo Jul 09 2006 04:19 PM |
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Zidane just clobbered a guy in the chest with a ferocious WWE-style head butt. Crazy sonofabitch.
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| OlerudOwned Jul 09 2006 04:26 PM |
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That's like Jordan clocking someone in Game 7 of the NBA Finals, just bizarre.
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| A Boy Named Seo Jul 09 2006 04:35 PM |
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Or Roger Clemens throwing a bat at a guy in the World Series.
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| A Boy Named Seo Jul 09 2006 04:43 PM |
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Italy wins on PK's. Exciting obviously, but still kinda anticlimactic.
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| Willets Point Jul 09 2006 07:12 PM |
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Watched the game with a gazillion people in City Hall Plaza in Boston. Great atmosphere. Mostly Italian fans from the North End but a few French supporters sprinkled in, including one woman amusingly waving a baguette. I can't believe Zidane. You've got the whole world admiring you for playing with skill and grace in your last international game and then do something like that. Anyone can do something stupid in the heat of the moment, but rare that you have a billion people watching when you do. The game goes to penalty kicks (bleh) and Italy wins, meaning that boring, defensive-style football peppered with diving will be seen worldwide as the road to victory (bleagh). A rotten ending to a good World Cup.
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| TheOldMole Jul 09 2006 07:14 PM |
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I hate penalty kicks. Let 'em play all night if they have to.
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| Willets Point Jul 09 2006 07:16 PM |
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I'm with you Mole. One of the best suggestions I've heard is to have each team pull off a player every five minutes in overtime until you've got 'em palying 5-5 or something similar. Eventually through fatigue or through brilliance someone's going to score.
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| Elster88 Jul 09 2006 07:20 PM |
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As I said earlier, I hate penalty kicks. But having lost the only World Cup final ever that went to penalty kicks...I'm not going to call this one a cheap win. Italy deserved to win...especially since France's only goal (and the only non-own goal that Italy gave up all tournament) was on a questionable penalty kick.
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| Elster88 Jul 09 2006 07:24 PM |
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Interesting, but I have to strongly disagree. As is the case with going to penalties, you're not really playing soccer anymore when you start changing things around in such a manner. The only option that works for me is to keep playing 'til someone wins. But as I mentioned elsewhere, then you risk having someone win only because all of the players are either exhausted and/or dying. As much as I hate it, penalty kicks may be the only option.
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| Willets Point Jul 09 2006 07:41 PM |
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I guess another thing that might work -- and I don't know if they've tried this -- is one full 45 minute overtime before going to penalty kicks.
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| Edgy DC Jul 09 2006 08:11 PM |
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I think pulling players resembles soccer a lot more than penalty kicks, and will lead to more satisfying results.
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| Elster88 Jul 09 2006 08:14 PM |
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True enough about the resemblance, but saying it's more satisfying than penalty kicks isn't saying much. It may be slightly better from a certain point of view, but would lead to the exhaustion factor a lot sooner. Players dry-heaving and passing out at the end of the match wouldn't be much better than penalties. Besides, one strong striker dribbling through the only three defenders left on the field and scoring would be completely unsatisfying. Leave crap like that to basketball. Soccer is a team game.
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| Willets Point Jul 09 2006 08:57 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 09 2006 08:59 PM |
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Relive the insanity:
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| metirish Jul 09 2006 08:58 PM |
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I'm with Elster, there was a time but maybe not in the WC but at least in the English FA Cup that they would replay the game then go to PK's....taking players off every five minutes just seems like it would be very confusing.
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| metirish Jul 09 2006 10:09 PM |
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James Lawton on Zidane..
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| Nymr83 Jul 10 2006 01:27 AM |
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giving each side a couple of extra subs (or even allowing players who have left the game back into it) after the first OT might be prefferable to PKs as well as it would at least help with the stamina issue.
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| MFS62 Jul 10 2006 06:21 AM |
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The Home Run Derby
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| Elster88 Jul 10 2006 08:56 AM |
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Well, sorta. But what do we do about every game that isn't the final?
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| metirish Jul 10 2006 08:57 AM |
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Zidane is named as the Golden Ball winner(MVP) of the WC.
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| Elster88 Jul 10 2006 09:20 AM |
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I found the article where the author suggests pulling players to decide the match.
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| metirish Jul 10 2006 09:25 AM |
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Adding another ref is not the worst idea, but then the ref didn't catch Zidane yesterday and only sent him off after talking to the lines man so I don't know.
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| Elster88 Jul 10 2006 09:34 AM |
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I'll retract.
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| Elster88 Jul 10 2006 09:43 AM |
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Makes no sense to me.
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| metirish Jul 10 2006 09:45 AM |
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Yeah I would have given it to Fabio Cannavaro, he was brilliant in every game it seemed.
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| Elster88 Jul 10 2006 09:50 AM |
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I really didn't watch enough of Zindane to judge on the entirety of the tournament.
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| Willets Point Jul 10 2006 09:52 AM |
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2,3, & 5 all seem like sensible ideas to me.
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| Johnny Dickshot Jul 10 2006 09:52 AM |
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Jocks are such fucking retards.
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| metirish Jul 10 2006 09:54 AM |
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Speculation on why Zidane went ape are that he was being taunted becuase of his Muslim family , it has happened in the past during games.
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| Elster88 Jul 10 2006 11:30 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 10 2006 11:33 AM |
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If the grounds for such speculation are "it has happened in the past" then such speculation should be summarily dismissed.
It could be that the guy is just a dickhead.
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| Elster88 Jul 10 2006 11:32 AM |
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Regardless of what I'm about to say, it was a hard foul and deserved a red card.
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| Vic Sage Jul 10 2006 11:46 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 10 2006 03:55 PM |
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*avi*
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| holychicken Jul 10 2006 11:57 AM |
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I hate PKs. However, MORE overtime could get extremely boring as the teams get more and more tired. Sometimes that half hour is just incredibly boring to watch as many teams will just go defensive to try and not lose. That could go on for hours.
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| Elster88 Jul 10 2006 01:30 PM |
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Interesting idea.
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| A Boy Named Seo Jul 10 2006 05:02 PM |
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[url=http://tonaz.altervista.org/zidane.html]Fun with Zidane.[/url]
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| Elster88 Jul 10 2006 11:23 PM |
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At the homecoming party they showed on ESPN, nobody in France seemed to mind that Zindane's headbutt could have cost them the game.
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| metirish Jul 10 2006 11:27 PM |
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What Zidane did was stupid but it does not negate his career, he won the WC for them in 98 and the Euro in 2000, he is perhaps in the top 10 of great players all time, and he scored what many say is the best goal ever scored in the Champions League Final in 01.....a moment of maddness but still a great player.
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| Elster88 Jul 10 2006 11:38 PM |
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True.
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| A Boy Named Seo Jul 11 2006 03:09 PM |
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The Zidane head-butt captured and analyzed in slow motion by a high-tech camera specializing in measuring the force and energy exerted (and associated temperatures) of two objects colliding. Very interesting:
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| MFS62 Jul 11 2006 03:11 PM |
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Sent to me by a soccer fan in the Cayman Islands.
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| Frayed Knot Jul 11 2006 10:53 PM |
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So the Italian player who was on the business end of that head-butt admits to insulting Zidane leading up to the moment but denies that calling him "a terrorist" was part of it as has been hinted at in various places.
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| metirish Jul 11 2006 11:04 PM |
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this story just more crazy by the day, a TV station from Brazil got a lip-reader to read what the Italian said,....he called him "the son of a terrorist whore" and apparently he called his sister a whore.......who cares, Jesus Chirst it's during the heat of battle and stuff gets said.....Itatly deserved to win...good for them.
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| Elster88 Jul 11 2006 11:26 PM |
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I doubt it's true in any case. Not that the player would be a prick, just that it got caught on camera well enough that the lip-reader deal would work.
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| Frayed Knot Jul 12 2006 12:17 AM |
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This all sounds like the football scene from M*A*S*H where the guy from the EVAC side calls the black player a "coon" in order to rile him up.
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| Willets Point Jul 12 2006 04:15 PM |
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I totally disagree. Zidane being a professional athelete who keeps his cool and does not react to provacation with violence would not validate Materazzi's insults.
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| Edgy DC Jul 12 2006 04:20 PM |
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"I'm sorry but I'm not sorry."
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| OlerudOwned Jul 12 2006 07:45 PM |
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I just wish he could've waited til after the match to put Materazzi on his ass.
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| Nymr83 Jul 12 2006 09:07 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 12 2006 09:08 PM |
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double post.
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| Nymr83 Jul 12 2006 09:07 PM |
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good point today from Somers on WFAN... if the french, who lost, arent complaining about the PKs why is it such a big deal to Americans? its not like its "our sport" by any stretch of the imagination.
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| Willets Point Jul 12 2006 09:15 PM |
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Penalty kicks to decide a winner in a tied tournament game is a relatively new innovation dating to the 1970's and tinkered with ever since. Before that a tournament game that ended in a tie was replayed in its entirety on another date! FIFA recently experimented with the "golden goal" (aka sudden death overtime) from the mid-90's to 2004 until they decided it was making teams play even more defensively and canned it. With all the different means of overtime and settling ties tried in the past few decades its my impression that PK's are not accepted as anything more a necessary evil among worldwide soccer fans/officials. Plus I've heard British commentators suggest that PK's are a less than desirable way of settling a game so I don't think it's just an American thing.
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| Centerfield Jul 13 2006 02:19 PM |
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One thing I'm surprised no one is talking about, is how odd it is to retaliate by a head-butt to the chest. Isn't it funny that the "no-hands" thing is so ingrained in these players, that even during battle, they don't think to use the appendages hanging from their shoulders.
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| Elster88 Jul 13 2006 09:59 PM |
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HAHAHAH That's great. SC = zero
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| Elster88 Jul 14 2006 09:28 AM |
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I added the bolding
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