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IGT 7/6 Mets at Gnats

getalife Jul 06 2005 06:20 PM

Once I find the lineups for the this contest between the poorly constructed Mets, and the sabermetrically constructed first place Gnats, I'll post it. ------------------------------------------- (Dictated, but not read)

sharpie Jul 06 2005 06:35 PM

Us Reyes ss (back on top) Cameron rf Beltran cf Floyd lf Wright 3b Anderson 1b Castro c Cairo 2b Glavine p Them Wilkerson cf Vidro 2b Guillen rf Cordero 1b Castilla 3b Byrd lf Schneider c Carroll ss Hernandez p

ScarletKnight41 Jul 06 2005 06:41 PM

On the local news last night, the DC sports reporter was practically giving an on air blow job to Hernandez. He was also bitching and moaning incessantly about how the Expos (oops, I mean the Nationals) were screwed by only having two all stars named to the team. This is consistent with the general tenor down there, where every routine play made by the Nats is treated like a web gem. There's this mindset that every routine thing that this team does has to be treated in the superlative.

getalife Jul 06 2005 06:41 PM

Thanks! ------------------------------------------- (Dictated, but not read)

Johnny Dickshot Jul 06 2005 07:08 PM

This is yet another Big Game™.

Johnny Dickshot Jul 06 2005 07:10 PM

Mike knows it's a Big Game™.

getalife Jul 06 2005 07:13 PM

Kablameron with an early ...

Johnny Dickshot Jul 06 2005 07:27 PM

Marlon Anderson just keeps on hitting. Man, does he display guts, brains, backbone, genius, desire, will-to-win, intangibles, savvy, chemistry cahnfidence and some other bullshit.

Bret Sabermetric Jul 06 2005 07:44 PM

"an on air blow job to Hernandez" Dear Mr. Knight: I wish you'd reconsider using foul language like this on this family-oriented site. I don't wish to impose my moral or religious values on you, but this seems excessive to me, and I'm sure those of us with small children posting here would agree with me. Thank you, sir, for considering this humble request.

holychicken Jul 06 2005 07:50 PM

Will Beltran ever be good? I am begining to have doubts. . .

getalife Jul 06 2005 07:53 PM

Scary thought, and I'd be lying if I said it hasn't crossed my mind from time to time. I doubt he's through ... but wake up NOW!!!

seawolf17 Jul 06 2005 07:59 PM

I hate intentional walks. HATE THEM. No way Cordero doesn't drive in runs here.

seawolf17 Jul 06 2005 08:00 PM

Okay, I forgot that Wil Cordero sucks.

metsmarathon Jul 06 2005 08:01 PM

ScarletKnight41 wrote: On the local news last night, the DC sports reporter was practically giving an on air blow job to Hernandez. He was also bitching and moaning incessantly about how the Expos (oops, I mean the Nationals) were screwed by only having two all stars named to the team. did we ever kick up an all star thread? i cant seem to find one, but may be too blind...

getalife Jul 06 2005 08:03 PM

Heading off the mamby pamby orange and blue eyeglass wearing don't un- derstand jack squat underwear wearin' pants on the head response, I thought I'd look up Carlos' sim scores at his age at bbr. Andre Dawson (947) Bobby Bonds (943) Dave Winfield (938) Jack Clark (936) Gus Bell (928) Shawn Green (925) Harold Baines (923) Reggie Smith (923) Gary Sheffield (921) Johnny Callison (919)

ScarletKnight41 Jul 06 2005 08:13 PM

metsmarathon wrote: did we ever kick up an all star thread? i cant seem to find one, but may be too blind... [url=http://cybermessageboard.ehost.com/getalife/viewtopic.php?t=446]We have this thread, and you've posted on it[/url]

Bret Sabermetric Jul 06 2005 08:15 PM

Oh, come on. You KNOW you can't just use Sim Scores to posit anything without writing a book on the subject. That's unproven stuff, man. You know better than that. If you draw any conclusions from this stuff, Edgy will call it "unlikely" and the shit will hit the fan... Or maybe it's only me who can't cite Sim Scores. I forget. Anyway, you got some pretty good players in that bunch--a candidate for Best player all time in 2nd place, flanked by two HOFers, followed by a perennial All-Star (though that designation is pretty well eroded by some current selectees) and then an original Met followed up by a Jew...I think you've got a strong field there.

cooby Jul 06 2005 08:17 PM

That guy and his damn ab ads are making the games practically unwatchable.

getalife Jul 06 2005 08:19 PM

>>>Or maybe it's only me who can't cite Sim Scores.<<< Geez, you're making this too easy. Who cares who cites what? Anyone? Should we do a poll?

getalife Jul 06 2005 08:33 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 06 2005 08:34 PM

In the meantime, The Mets down quietly in the top of the fifth, and are losing 3-1. The bottom of the fourth went: Castilla singled, so did Byrd, so did Jamey Carrol, so did Brad Wilkerson, so did Vidro.

Johnny Dickshot Jul 06 2005 08:34 PM

I really think Glavine might be finished. Does any pitcher elicit fewer swing-and-misses?

Spacemans Bong Jul 06 2005 08:37 PM

Can Willie please help me retain my sanity and stop leading off with Reyes?

Edgy DC Jul 06 2005 08:42 PM

MLB.com really asks for way too many click-throughs to tell me that no, I can't watch this game.

getalife Jul 06 2005 08:43 PM

Bases loaded, top o' the sixth, no one out. Marlon up.

holychicken Jul 06 2005 08:50 PM

nice to get two runs out of the bases loaded no outs. . .but 2 f-ing base running blunders? WTF?

Edgy DC Jul 06 2005 08:51 PM

Can somebody who hasn't bitten his or her fingers off outline the two outs we appear to have given away in the midst of that rally?

holychicken Jul 06 2005 08:54 PM

Castro singled home two runs, the throw was to get wright at home but he scored and the ball wasn't handled well by the catcher, however, hernandez backed it up and threw out Castro who was too far off first. Then Cairo lined out and whoever was on second got doubled up.

holychicken Jul 06 2005 08:57 PM

Then Reyes bobbles a perfect throw from Castro to give them the stolen base.

holychicken Jul 06 2005 08:58 PM

The line out was to right field, BTW. . .that wasn't clear.

holychicken Jul 06 2005 09:07 PM

And Glavine walks Vidro to bring up Guillen. Willie brings in Heilman in a double switch, Offerman (gulp) in at first.

Edgy DC Jul 06 2005 09:12 PM

Heilman bests Guillen.

seawolf17 Jul 06 2005 09:13 PM

Heilman definitely earned himself a Schaefer point or two right there.

ScarletKnight41 Jul 06 2005 09:16 PM

I'd give him a whole keg for that one.

Johnny Dickshot Jul 06 2005 09:21 PM

There was 2 baserunning errors on that play, which led to a 3rd. After Wright scored (the throw hit him on the back and wasn't handled) he stood up and motioned toward second, as if to say to Anderson "take third!" It appeared that Castro saw that as an invitation to take off for second, which he did but only tentatively, since Anderson (not in the picture) apparently had his head up his ass and hadn't taken 3rd. That left Castro as a dead duck and Anderson at 2nd instead of 3rd. That was the difference between getting doubled off second on Cairo's hit as opposed to scoring (possibly) on it. Too many mistakes in this game, and the xtra PT given to Anderson, which he's earned with the bat, is flying off the other side with errors & baserunning fuckups. Glavine just doesn't have enough to get the out when he needs it anymore. Not all his fault tonight but in general, a real cause for concern. He's lost his once great skill for total precision and just doesn't have much else to go to physically.

holychicken Jul 06 2005 09:24 PM

Nationals just refered to that inning and attributed it to good defense and not bad baserunning.

Edgy DC Jul 06 2005 09:28 PM

After Beltran's single, it's my duty to report that Livan Hernandez has had a gob-stoppingly sexy 125 pitches, many under bases-loaded-type condidtions. OE:And just like that, Joey Eischen comes in, and the sex shop is closed for the night.

holychicken Jul 06 2005 09:30 PM

Nat announcers just said that he threw 150 earlier this season. Insane.

Edgy DC Jul 06 2005 09:30 PM

Did Cliff hit through a shift there?

soupcan Jul 06 2005 09:32 PM

Just tuned in. Why does Livan get a standing O after giving up 4 runs in less than 8 innings? Simple naivete of DC fans or something else?

ScarletKnight41 Jul 06 2005 09:36 PM

They cheer every routine play as if it was the play of the decade in that stadium. After a while the players are going to get sick of being so highly praised for every mediocre occurrence.

soupcan Jul 06 2005 09:38 PM

That's what I thunk. Beltran scores on Brando's sac fly. 5-3 Mets.

Johnny Dickshot Jul 06 2005 09:47 PM

We's doing all we can to make this one difficult. Think Bert will slash Heilman's tires after that 8th inning?

Edgy DC Jul 06 2005 09:48 PM

Heilman only has 25 pitches to have wrapped up seven batters. Go nuts. Let him finish. Have him get a real save.

holychicken Jul 06 2005 09:49 PM

Reyes with the error and then almost blows the double play. . .but Offerman comes off the bag to catch it and make a nice tag. I officially take back my "gulp" when Offerman came in.

Edgy DC Jul 06 2005 09:52 PM

How come only relief pitchers cop looks like this?

Edgy DC Jul 06 2005 10:03 PM

Braden, man, he's a power pitcher who gets saves without strikeouts. I hope Heilman likes Schaefer, because I'm sending him a few 40s.

soupcan Jul 06 2005 10:03 PM

Une, deux, trois pour Monsieur Looper. Finis! Mets Win.

holychicken Jul 06 2005 10:04 PM

*pats looper on the head* Good looper! Good Boy! *gives heilman a beer*

Johnny Dickshot Jul 06 2005 10:05 PM

Schaefer time. Nice win there.

cooby Jul 06 2005 10:06 PM

ScarletKnight41 wrote: They cheer every routine play as if it was the play of the decade in that stadium. After a while the players are going to get sick of being so highly praised for every mediocre occurrence. They also seem to boo every close play that doesn't go their way

soupcan Jul 06 2005 10:09 PM

Just wait til their ice cream melts, they'll figure it out.

ScarletKnight41 Jul 06 2005 10:10 PM

They're not the most knowledgeable baseball fans. Remember Monday, when Wright was caught in a rundown, but kept it going long enough so that the runner on second could advance to third? They cheered that play as if it was a gold glove play.

cooby Jul 06 2005 10:17 PM

Sweet and innocent. A whole town full of Edgys.

Frayed Knot Jul 06 2005 10:33 PM

And we shall beat Livan and it shall be a good win If you DC visitors think the treatment of the Nats is sickly sweet and a bit overboard, you should see/hear the what the Redskins get. This is really cool: I'm listening to the WFAN recap show while watching BB2N (w/the sound down) and the replay of Gary's call on the Castro 2-RBI single and espn's video of the same play were not only on at the same time but were exactly synched up! OK, so it was only kinda cool ... (must get life)

Edgy DC Jul 06 2005 10:42 PM

Yeah, well, I thank Redskin fans for being so surreal that they helped shake me of the last bit of NFL interest I ever had. I doubt Nationals fans will accomplish the baseball version. Besides we just took two of three from a first-place team and came damn close to sweeping them. They're the ones who pulled the hate crime on Youppi!

soupcan Jul 06 2005 10:44 PM

Thought it was a 4 game set, no?

Edgy DC Jul 06 2005 10:46 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 06 2005 11:08 PM

Of course. What am I saying? More grass for the mower tomorrow.

cooby Jul 06 2005 10:52 PM

Geez, Edgy you scared me, I don't have my Pirates KTE finished yet

metirish Jul 06 2005 11:01 PM

Ahh the infamous Pirates KTE...Cooby I can't wait...this one has been in the oven for a while..

cooby Jul 06 2005 11:04 PM

Actually it's in my word file at work! And I am off until Monday! Egads!

Rotblatt Jul 06 2005 11:50 PM

A strange game . . . With that many silly mistakes, you've gotta just be glad we came out with a win. I'm psyched about Castro getting more playing time. His pedigree and solid minor league numbers has me wondering if he could be our answer at C next year. Playing him more this season should really help us figure that out. Reyes frustrates me. I know we all joke about it, but could we seriously sign Rickey to teach Reyes a thing or two about patience at the plate? If Reyes could just convert enough of his outs into walks to give him a .375 OBP--so not getting any extra hits, just getting on base more--he'd be a (legitimate) All-Star. He'd be batting .294/.375/.422 with 33 SB & 60 R, assuming that he continued to get a SB about 24% of the time and a R 44% of the time he gets on base. If he got on base at a .425 clip, he'd be an MVP candidate--.305/.425/.437 with 37 SB and 68 R. Without hitting so much as 1 extra single over that time--just by learning to walk more. And it's a no-brainer that as Reyes lays off bad pitches, he'll get more pitches around the plate, which will undoubtedly drive up his hits too. Of course, I suspect that if Reyes becomes successful, it will be more in the Juan Pierre vein of pesky contact hitter, which is valuable too--just not as valuable as a Rickey-style pesky OBP guy. Well, I'm still glad he's on our team. But seriously, Willie, leave him at the bottom of the order for a while . . .

Centerfield Jul 07 2005 12:23 AM

Couple of quick thoughts before I head to bed: *Eventually, Cameron has to realize blue is giving the inside corner and swing at that pitch *Was Wright waving Anderson to third or Castro to second? Either way I think it was bad advice...I suspect he never saw how close Livan was to the ball. *Bases loaded, one run game, bobble by Anderson who then throws to stone-hands Offerman. I think it's safe to say there is no such thing as a "routine" ground ball when those two are involved. *I'm with Widey. I'm starting to think Glavine is just not going to come around.

Frayed Knot Jul 07 2005 10:15 AM

"Eventually, Cameron has to realize blue is giving the inside corner and swing at that pitch" Cammy's the ultimate guess hitter - as opposed to a see-and-react type - which serves as both his strength and weakness. It's what allows him to crush curve balls like he did in the 1st, but also look bad when he gets what he's not looking for. An awful lot of his Ks tend to be of the looking variety. "Was Wright waving Anderson to third or Castro to second? Either way I think it was bad advice...I suspect he never saw how close Livan was to the ball." Anderson to 3rd I think. Problem was that Castro saw it and took off for 2nd before realizing that Marlon wasn't taking the advice. Youthful exuberence on yong David's part. "Bases loaded, one run game, bobble by Anderson who then throws to stone-hands Offerman. I think it's safe to say there is no such thing as a "routine" ground ball when those two are involved." I think Offerman's getting a bad rap here for his one bumble the other day. Yeah, he was a high-error SS back when he was a regular but now - like Woodward - he's bringing middle-infield skills to a corner position. It's not like I want to see either there everyday (over even semi-regularly) because they're also bringing middle-infield bats to a corner spot, but he shouldn't make y'all nervous w/the glove. Marlon's arm scares me more.

Elster88 Jul 07 2005 10:17 AM

="Frayed Knot"]"Was Wright waving Anderson to third or Castro to second? Either way I think it was bad advice...I suspect he never saw how close Livan was to the ball." Anderson to 3rd I think. Problem was that Castro saw it and took off for 2nd before realizing that Marlon wasn't taking the advice. Youthful exuberence on yong David's part. More Castro's fault then Wright's. Look at the traffic before you run. Works when your on the basepaths or crossing the street.

Johnny Dickshot Jul 07 2005 10:48 AM

Seems to me Reyes has improved his patience -- my EP/PA (Eyewitness Pitches per Plate Appearance) numbers back this up. (So would the actual figures I suspect, but I don't have them at hand). Reyes' major trouble seems to me at this point to be too many fly balls. He is battling the pitcher to deeper counts, but making outs anyway.

Edgy DC Jul 07 2005 10:57 AM

I'm going to agree there, but I can't understand why merely going to deeper counts -- only half an accomplishment -- has led Randolph to re-establish Reyes at the top of the lineup after only two games at the bottom. I have to say that it was fun on Monday knowing that the Washtreal pitcher was fading, but then realizing that the 6-7-8 hitters were due up, but then further realizing that two of those hitters were Wright and Wreyes. I thought, "Good job, Wrandolfph!"

Elster88 Jul 07 2005 11:07 AM

I say let him bat first, especially since there is no viable alternative. I've never thought that this was a season to compete, but a season to improve. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't see us getting a playoff spot. If Reyes bats first, he gets more plate appearances and chances to improve.

Elster88 Jul 07 2005 11:15 AM

Is Tom Glavine going to make the Hall of Fame?

Yancy Street Gang Jul 07 2005 11:25 AM

Is Tom Glavine going to make the Hall of Fame? I'd be surprised if he didn't.

metirish Jul 07 2005 11:27 AM

Is Tom Glavine going to make the Hall of Fame? I say yes he will make the HOF, if you look at other HOF pitchers like Gibson, Feller, Palmer and Red Ruffing they all had some not so good years towards the end.Glavine's NY years will probably be forgotten when the HOF calls. http://www.baseballreference.com/f/fellebo01.shtml http://www.baseballreference.com/p/palmeji01.shtml http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/ruffire01.shtml

sharpie Jul 07 2005 11:44 AM

I won't forget. Also, the NYmedia won't forget. He'll prolly get in, but it might take him a while.

ScarletKnight41 Jul 07 2005 11:57 AM

The thing that could hurt him is Questac. He's been so mediocre since Questac came into play that people may question whether he was really that good beforehand or whether he was just getting the close calls based on his reputation.

metirish Jul 07 2005 11:59 AM

Great point SK,never thought about Questec in that way.