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Johnny Dickshot Jul 07 2005 11:26 AM

Here's why the Nats won;t last: Bad chemistry!!!!! Guillen Wanted Payback He Was Peeved Loaiza Didn't Throw at Mets By Barry Svrluga Washington Post Staff Writer Thursday, July 7, 2005; E07 For the first three months of the season, outfielder Jose Guillen has been welcomed by the Washington Nationals, both because of his bat and his apparent desire to win. But Tuesday night, after being hit by a pitch in the Nationals' 3-2 victory over the New York Mets, Guillen had a flare-up that several Nationals players and coaches said concerned them. Mets pitcher Pedro Martinez hit Guillen with a pitch in the first inning, and Guillen -- according to several sources -- became incensed that the Nationals didn't retaliate. Several sources said he had a confrontation in the dugout prior to the bottom of the second inning with pitcher Esteban Loaiza and catcher Brian Schneider. "He was on first base, and then we went back on the field [in the top of the second], and then came back in the dugout, and it was our turn up to bat, and he said he told me to hit somebody," Loaiza said yesterday. "He never mentioned anything to me, and then he started going after Schneider. And Schneider didn't hear him, either. "And everybody was mad. I was mad. Eventually, some of our teammates had to calm us down. We still had a lot more game left." Loaiza, who gave up one run in just more than eight innings, said retaliation, in such a close game, was ill-advised. "We don't need to get nobody thrown out," he said. Guillen, who declined to speak to reporters after Tuesday's game, said repeatedly yesterday that he was not upset at being hit by Martinez, the fourth time his fellow native of the Dominican Republic has hit him during his career. Teammates privately said Guillen's actions showed differently. Guillen said that he was actually upset about an errant throw he made in the ninth inning, one that put the tying run on second base. As for being hit, he said: "It's part of the game. It's over. We've got to move on." Guillen did allow, however, that being hit by the pitch motivated him. He went 3 for 3 and drove in the Nationals' final run. He is tied for second in the National League with 10 hit-by-pitches. "All the time I get hit, that's a wakeup call for me," Guillen said. "That makes me an even better player. So, it makes me even more angry, more hungry to go play the game, [to] just do some better stuff and help this team win." Prior to Tuesday night, Guillen's moods were primarily tied to whether the club won or lost. All season, players have raved about the club's chemistry, and they consider it an essential element in their rise to first place in the NL East. As one player said yesterday, "We don't need that right now." Some players elected yesterday not to speak to Guillen, who did not take batting practice before the game. Manager Frank Robinson gave him time to collect himself before addressing the situation. "I'm a pitcher," Loaiza said. "We know what we're capable of doing in situations like that. We've got to take care of our business and not allow nobody runs, especially a team like that, especially against a pitcher that they're throwing, Pedro. Who knows if we have a chance to win a game, a close game, if we hit a guy?"

metirish Jul 07 2005 11:34 AM

Guillien got three hits after being hit by Pedro, what's his problem, and I like Loaiza's answer...it's about winning, Guillien has been hit by the Mets a few times this season so I suppose he must be wondering WTF?

Edgy DC Jul 07 2005 12:14 PM

Cubbies and Braves have one of those jive-ass two-admission double-headers today.

Johnny Dickshot Jul 07 2005 12:45 PM

So nice they named it twice Reyes Cameron Beltran Floyd Piazza Anderson Wright Cairo Bunch Cesspool on the Potomac Wilkerson Carroll Vidro Baerga Castilla Schneider Byrd Cepicky Armas That's right. Carlos Baerga hitting cleanup again.

Frayed Knot Jul 07 2005 01:16 PM

Top 1: Reyes - BB, SB Cameron - Sac Bunt Beltran - RBI GO Floyd - 1B Piazza - K 1 - 0 Good guys

Edgy DC Jul 07 2005 01:17 PM

Good guys Metufacture a first-inning run on a walk, stolen base, sacrifice bunt and RBI ground-out. See what walks do!

Elster88 Jul 07 2005 01:17 PM

Reyes walks, steals second, goes to third on Cammy's bunt, scores on Beltran's groundout. Exactly how Willie drew it up. B-b-b-but, bunting is for losers!

TheOldMole Jul 07 2005 01:20 PM

Second game in a row that they score before the 4th inning.

TheOldMole Jul 07 2005 01:23 PM

And Benson starting strong.

KC Jul 07 2005 01:34 PM

They just showed Frank Howard in the stands and were talking about him. I looked up his bbr page and here's the site that sponsors his page.

Centerfield Jul 07 2005 01:36 PM

There goes the no-hitter.

Johnny Dickshot Jul 07 2005 01:47 PM

Back around 1989 I was working for a newspaper when we learned, last minute, that Hondo was making an appearance at a local liquor store. I hustled over and arrived unprepared for an interview with him. I tried to get him to discuss managing the Mets during Strawberry’s rookie year and a few other things. He mostly smiled and answered just about every question with a pitch for Jim Beam bourbon, which was paying him to make the appearance. “These guys make a great product!” He signed baseballs with the Jim Beam logo on them. Because it was last minute we didn’t have a photographer there, so I grabbed the staff camera and tried to snap him candidly but every time I tried to click he turned at the camera and gave a big cheesy smile. About the only thing I recall him saying of any substance was that in all his years of baseball he learned that the difference between a first place team and a last place team was 2 or 3 players.

Edgy DC Jul 07 2005 01:58 PM

All that and more on Johnny Dickshot: Cub Reporter, after the game. A third-inning rally puts the Nats ahead 2-1.

Centerfield Jul 07 2005 01:59 PM

Infield single by the pitcher? Can anyone give more details?

Johnny Dickshot Jul 07 2005 02:00 PM

I'm suspicious that my Gameday thingy says this rally started on a "single to 3rd base." Are we completely shitting the bed on D again today?

Edgy DC Jul 07 2005 02:03 PM

Beltran opens the Metly fourth with a single. Let's knock out Armas NOW!!!!

Centerfield Jul 07 2005 02:05 PM

According to Game Day, Cliff Floyd is facing the extremely small-headed Tony Armas .

KC Jul 07 2005 02:11 PM

Piazza doubles to the gap scoring the game tying Beltran from first!

Centerfield Jul 07 2005 02:12 PM

Yay Batch! Pound the small headed one!

Edgy DC Jul 07 2005 02:16 PM

Cameron's first-inning homer yestereday is the team's only DC homer so far, isn't it?

Rotblatt Jul 07 2005 02:16 PM

Two outs and it's up to David to find a way to send Piazza chugging to home plate . . . Do we have a nickname for David? Batch II, perhaps?

ScarletKnight41 Jul 07 2005 02:18 PM

I just call him Mr. Wright.

Edgy DC Jul 07 2005 02:22 PM

The Man Who Thinks too Much. The Virginia Beach Batch. The Slaughter from Tidewater.

duan Jul 07 2005 02:27 PM

I might over think this kinda stuff, but I really want Aramas gone this inning, the nats have 4 good relievers you need innings to get your teeth into them - stopping them playing matchups and getting ahead before Cordero gets in.

Johnny Dickshot Jul 07 2005 02:34 PM

In the meantime lets hope Benson doesn't give back another lead.

duan Jul 07 2005 02:36 PM

i wouldn't be upset about walking wilkerson to get to carroll here.

Edgy DC Jul 07 2005 02:40 PM

Caroll singles and goes to second on a throw. Rusty Vidro gets the IBB to pitch to Carlos Baerga with the bases loaded.

Willets Point Jul 07 2005 02:42 PM

Cooby's favorite just misses a bases loaded hit down the line.

Elster88 Jul 07 2005 02:43 PM

5 IP, 3 H, 3 K, 1 BB for Armas, but he's already up to 93 pitches.

Centerfield Jul 07 2005 02:44 PM

That was like, kinda nerveracking.

Elster88 Jul 07 2005 02:45 PM

5 IP, 7 H, 3 K, 1 BB for Benson, with 72 pitches.

cooby Jul 07 2005 02:50 PM

Willets Point wrote: Cooby's favorite just misses a bases loaded hit down the line. Gah! I was on the telephone with my daughter!

Edgy DC Jul 07 2005 02:53 PM

How was the graduation party?

cooby Jul 07 2005 02:58 PM

You me to tell you about it in an IGT?

Rotblatt Jul 07 2005 02:59 PM

Benson with 4 Ks through 5.2 IP. With just 1 more, he'll have as many in July as he did all of June.

Willets Point Jul 07 2005 02:59 PM

(Moment of silence)

MFS62 Jul 07 2005 03:14 PM

Boys and Girls, it looks like David Wright is in a slump. And it also appears he's developing an allergic reaction to the RBI. Later

Edgy DC Jul 07 2005 03:16 PM

The middle of the Mets lineup has four hits. Still only two have crossed the plate.

KC Jul 07 2005 03:18 PM

They show Guillen in the dugout and Ted comments that he hasn't seen him cough once during the game (he has "bronchitis") Spivey to pinch hit, but was in the clubhouse. The look on Frank's face was priceless. Also not mentioned here, Frank comes out during Armas' AB when the count was 0-2 and puts his arm around him and tells him something. When was the last time you saw that? Little league?

Edgy DC Jul 07 2005 03:22 PM

Seven solid innings and 105 pitches. Benson is likely done. Let's get him a win.

Frayed Knot Jul 07 2005 03:24 PM

Both ptichers replaced to start the 8th: Offerman PH-ing (for Benson) against Hector Corrasco (or Rookie Caroca - I get them mixed up) Offerman = K

Centerfield Jul 07 2005 03:31 PM

Damn. Carlos needed another foot. Damn.

Nymr83 Jul 07 2005 03:32 PM

i just punched my radio across the room :/ i am fuckin tired of gary cohen making a flyout sound like a no-doubter off the bat!

KC Jul 07 2005 03:32 PM

We gotta get out of this god forsaken ball yard with a win. This place just eats up long fly balls and spit them out laughing.

Frayed Knot Jul 07 2005 03:34 PM

Rrrrrrroberto in to face 3-4-5

seawolf17 Jul 07 2005 03:37 PM

And we go to the ninth. Boy, this is nerve-racking for a "meaningless July game."

KC Jul 07 2005 03:37 PM

And sends them down mightly.

Nymr83 Jul 07 2005 03:40 PM

it just occured to me that Reyes is again leading off and Wright is again batting 7th....just when i thought Randolph was finally starting to "get it"

Yancy Street Gang Jul 07 2005 03:40 PM

Floyd, Piazza, Anderson due up in the ninth. Some heroics from Mike would be nice and nostalgic.

Frayed Knot Jul 07 2005 03:41 PM

Gnats go to their closer for the 9th: Floyd - Piazza - Anderson

Edgy DC Jul 07 2005 03:43 PM

K-liff

Yancy Street Gang Jul 07 2005 03:45 PM

Piazza out on a foul pop. Not the heroic feat I was hoping for.

Yancy Street Gang Jul 07 2005 03:47 PM

Anderson singles.

Johnny Dickshot Jul 07 2005 03:47 PM

Marlon Anderson: Single-hittin machine.

Edgy DC Jul 07 2005 03:47 PM

On the other hand, onsequential Piazza is a primary reason we haven't lost this yet.

Yancy Street Gang Jul 07 2005 03:51 PM

Wright is the third out. Bottom of the ninth, score tied at 2.

seawolf17 Jul 07 2005 03:52 PM

And the leadoff man is on with a hit. COME ON, Heath.

Yancy Street Gang Jul 07 2005 03:53 PM

Heath Bell, pitching in the ninth, gives up a leadoff single to Brian Schneider.

Frayed Knot Jul 07 2005 03:54 PM

Bell & Woodward in for Hernandez & Anderson (double switch). Lead-off single - Sac bunt 2 shots to win it for the Gants

Johnny Dickshot Jul 07 2005 03:54 PM

Bell doubleswitched into Anderson's spot, Woody playing 1st and hitting 3rd in the 10th if there is one: Bell surrenders a leadoff single to Scneider, who's bunted over to 2nd. Cepicky and a PH to try and win it.

Edgy DC Jul 07 2005 03:55 PM

Bell, huh? OK, Bell!

Edgy DC Jul 07 2005 03:56 PM

Cepicky walks. Bronchitis on to pinch hit. Coaching visit to the mound.

seawolf17 Jul 07 2005 03:57 PM

Come on, Heath... drill him. (Or at least buzz one under his nose.)

Frayed Knot Jul 07 2005 03:57 PM

Walking Cepicky wouldn't have been the worst thing in the world ... except that it was Cepicky!!!! Now Guillen (PH-ing) and the big boys will come up. Guillen = FO

Willets Point Jul 07 2005 03:57 PM

2 down. C'mon Bell.

Willets Point Jul 07 2005 03:58 PM

Bronchitis?

Nymr83 Jul 07 2005 03:58 PM

well at least guillen didnt get the job done... WHY is graves up in the bullpen?

KC Jul 07 2005 03:59 PM

>>>Bronchitis?<<< That was the story line as to why he sat.

Johnny Dickshot Jul 07 2005 03:59 PM

Hey, we got out of it!

Frayed Knot Jul 07 2005 03:59 PM

And he GAHT 'EM!!!! Free Baseball ! ! ! ! !

KC Jul 07 2005 03:59 PM

BELL!!! Going to the tenth.

Willets Point Jul 07 2005 04:00 PM

Oh, that was lucky that the check swing hit the ball and stayed fair.

seawolf17 Jul 07 2005 04:00 PM

Hey, any time you can catch a break, you take it. Let's! Go! Mets! Let's! Go! Mets!

Edgy DC Jul 07 2005 04:00 PM

I knew I could get up for Bell. Just took me a moment.

Willets Point Jul 07 2005 04:01 PM

KC wrote: >>>Bronchitis?<<< That was the story line as to why he sat. Ah, so when Fran said "Guillen is healthy and on the bench" he was either unaware of that story or not acknowledging it as true.

seawolf17 Jul 07 2005 04:03 PM

In total there are 17 users online :: 13 Registered, 0 Hidden and 4 Guests [ Administrator ] [ Moderator ] Most users ever online was 26 on Mon Nov 04, 2002 7:31 pm Registered Users: cooby, Edgy DC, Frayed Knot, Johnny Dickshot, KC, metirish, MFS62, Nymr83, seawolf17, sharpie, Willets Point, willpie, Yancy Street Gang And a full house today in the pool! Let's go for that record!

KC Jul 07 2005 04:03 PM

Or just being Fran.

Willets Point Jul 07 2005 04:04 PM

Damn Mets making it easy on the Gnats.

Yancy Street Gang Jul 07 2005 04:04 PM

November 4, 2002? Have we been at this site that long? Time flies more and more quickly as I get older.

Rotblatt Jul 07 2005 04:08 PM

Way to work the pitch count up, Jose! Now please just get through one more inning, Heath . . .

Johnny Dickshot Jul 07 2005 04:09 PM

Piling up them ohfers. 2-3-4 vs. Bell in the home tenth.

Rotblatt Jul 07 2005 04:12 PM

Nice! Lookin' good, Heath!

Frayed Knot Jul 07 2005 04:12 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 07 2005 04:13 PM

Quick-'n-Easy for Bell Cammy - Beltran - Floyd - Piazza - pitcher's spot, due up for top 11

KC Jul 07 2005 04:13 PM

Is this a big game yet? I feel like everything is on the line.

Johnny Dickshot Jul 07 2005 04:13 PM

Now is the time for all great men to come to the aid of their team.

holychicken Jul 07 2005 04:15 PM

except for cameron, he needed that break from being great.

Willets Point Jul 07 2005 04:16 PM

Beltran: double the great man.

KC Jul 07 2005 04:17 PM

Walkin' Floyd

Centerfield Jul 07 2005 04:17 PM

Make them pay Mikey. Come on...I know you got something left...

Elster88 Jul 07 2005 04:18 PM

I feel bad I wasn't here before as part of the 17. In total there are 19 users online :: 16 Registered, 1 Hidden and 2 Guests [ Administrator ] [ Moderator ] Most users ever online was 26 on Mon Nov 04, 2002 7:31 pm Registered Users: Bret Sabermetric, Centerfield, cooby, Elster88, Frayed Knot, holychicken, Johnny Dickshot, KC, metirish, MFS62, Nymr83, Rotblatt, ScarletKnight41, seawolf17, soupcan, Willets Point

holychicken Jul 07 2005 04:18 PM

BOOOO!!! (respectful, of course) You can't walk Floyd, you wimps!

seawolf17 Jul 07 2005 04:19 PM

Here comes Piazza. I smell groundout...

Willets Point Jul 07 2005 04:19 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 07 2005 04:20 PM

Yay! Fuck! Fuck! Nice agressive playing though. Let's hold the lead.

Elster88 Jul 07 2005 04:20 PM

Seawolf is happily forced to eat his own words?

Frayed Knot Jul 07 2005 04:20 PM

Oh Good ... oh good lord!!!!

Centerfield Jul 07 2005 04:20 PM

They have a way of taking the lead and looking like dumbasses all at the same time.

Johnny Dickshot Jul 07 2005 04:20 PM

The 11th Commandment: Thou Shalt Not Dis Mike Piazza.

KC Jul 07 2005 04:20 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 07 2005 04:21 PM

Piazza flares one to score Beltran, gets agressive and goes to second on the throw home and get thrown out and then Floyd gets thrown out trying for home. Bitter sweet ugly baseball ... Mets up by one ... Washington gets last licks.

Nymr83 Jul 07 2005 04:20 PM

ok good we took the lead, but whats up with slow-man getting htrown out at 2nd and then floyd at the plate? that was disgusting.

Johnny Dickshot Jul 07 2005 04:21 PM

Uh, what happened?

Rotblatt Jul 07 2005 04:22 PM

I was wondering what had happened--Yahoo! Box Score taking forever to load . . . Go Mike! Boo Mike! Boo Cliff!

Elster88 Jul 07 2005 04:22 PM

I'll have to watch that one on the highlights. It's hard to have two guys thrown out on the bases in the same play.

Frayed Knot Jul 07 2005 04:22 PM

Still Bell????

Johnny Dickshot Jul 07 2005 04:23 PM

So Piazza hit into a tiebrteaking, extra-inning, RBI single double play?

Elster88 Jul 07 2005 04:23 PM

Gameday is slow too. I think that play confused the hell out of it.

seawolf17 Jul 07 2005 04:23 PM

Sportsline showed me this: Piazza hit into double play, Beltran scored, Floyd out at home, Piazza out at second. All I saw was the first part... so I came back over here to bitch... and I saw everyone else's reactions. Only then did I go back and read the whole thing. Weird. I almost typed "I smell double play", but changed it at the last second. That would have been freaky.

KC Jul 07 2005 04:23 PM

Well, Looper's actually coming in. Frank's pissed on delay of game.

Nymr83 Jul 07 2005 04:24 PM

Piazza singles home Beltran, tries to go to 2nd on the throw to the plate, is thrown out. Floyd tries to score on the throw to 2nd and is then thrown out at the plate. 1 run in, 2-outs on the basepaths. and now i am hearing that Looper hadn't even had the chance to start throwing yet because the inning ended right after the run scored.

Edgy DC Jul 07 2005 04:24 PM

Long after the ESPN highlights have been forever archived, the all-time stats will show Piazza and Floyd got the job done, because stats don't show baserunning boners. This is comforting how? I don't know, because DC fans are probably cheering wildly?

Willets Point Jul 07 2005 04:25 PM

Looks like Frank Robinson is delaying the game.

Edgy DC Jul 07 2005 04:25 PM

Gameday says: Top 11TH B:1 S:0 O:3 Mike Piazza singles on a fly ball to right fielder Jose Guillen. Carlos Beltran scores. Double play, shortstop Jamey Carroll to catcher Brian Schneider to right fielder Jose Guillen to catcher Brian Schneider to shortstop Jamey Carroll. Cliff Floyd out at home. Mike Piazza out at 2nd. Huh? Wow!

Rotblatt Jul 07 2005 04:26 PM

Way to recap, Yahoo! Sports! ]Last Play: M. Piazza unknown into double play shortstop to catcher to catcher to shortstop, C. Beltran scored, C. Floyd out at home, M. Piazza out at second

Nymr83 Jul 07 2005 04:26 PM

Gary Cohen thinks Bell shouldn't be allowed to warm up and then not start the inning (thouhg he acknowledges it is within the rules) i disagree. if a pitcher warms up and the team thinks he looks like he's lost it while sitting on the bench they should be within their rights to pull him.

Spacemans Bong Jul 07 2005 04:26 PM

I'm watching the game, so this is what I saw. First off, it was really perfect fundamental fielding by the Nationals. 9 times out of 10 the Mets score 2 runs and Piazza's safe. Piazza blooped a soft single to right. Guillen made a real good throw to the plate and Beltran was safe. The problem was Piazza rounded first very slowly and came to almost a complete stop, then ran to second as Guillen threw to the plate. Schneider has a gun to Piazza was out. If he had kept running (it doesn't take a genius to assume Guillen's going home no matter what) he would have made it. Floyd was going from 1st to 3rd anyway, and seemingly went off 3rd after Schneider threw to 2nd. Carroll threw a bullet though and Cliff was out by a foot.

Yancy Street Gang Jul 07 2005 04:28 PM

It's not often that you see a play where the catcher throws the ball to the rightfielder.

Rotblatt Jul 07 2005 04:28 PM

Thanks, Bong! Yahoo! Sports could sure use you . . . Lets go, Loopy!

Yancy Street Gang Jul 07 2005 04:28 PM

And Looper very quickly gets the first two outs.

Willets Point Jul 07 2005 04:29 PM

Looper.

Elster88 Jul 07 2005 04:29 PM Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Jul 07 2005 04:31 PM

Edgy DC wrote: Gameday says: Top 11TH B:1 S:0 O:3 Mike Piazza singles on a fly ball to right fielder Jose Guillen. Carlos Beltran scores. Double play, shortstop Jamey Carroll to catcher Brian Schneider to right fielder Jose Guillen to catcher Brian Schneider to shortstop Jamey Carroll. Cliff Floyd out at home. Mike Piazza out at 2nd. Huh? Wow! Piazza is always hitting into those 9-2-6-2 DPs. On edit 2: And after 10 posts (3010 for the books) I'm still David Wright? It's cool to be in the levels where you get to be someone for more than 10 posts.

Spacemans Bong Jul 07 2005 04:29 PM

Byrd walks and Cordero (Wil) is up.

Frayed Knot Jul 07 2005 04:30 PM

OK, Loopy & Castro in on another double-switch Castilla - GO Schneider - FO Byrd - BB W. Cordero (PH) - FO Mets win!!!

Willets Point Jul 07 2005 04:30 PM

Floyd gots it. Yay Mets!!!

Spacemans Bong Jul 07 2005 04:30 PM

Floyd catches a first pitch flyball in foul ground in left and the Mets win 3/4 against the team with the best home record in baseball. Enormous win for the Mets, and they're above .500.

Rotblatt Jul 07 2005 04:30 PM

Motherfucker, Looper.

KC Jul 07 2005 04:30 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 07 2005 04:31 PM

>>>The problem was Piazza rounded first very slowly and came to almost a complete stop<<< He had to stop and wait until the ball was thrown. It's over. Mets take 3 of 4.

Yancy Street Gang Jul 07 2005 04:30 PM

Officially, that would be a 6-2-9-2-6 double play.

seawolf17 Jul 07 2005 04:31 PM

And the Metsies are back out of the cellar.

metirish Jul 07 2005 04:31 PM

3 outta 4 at the Nats, super stuff.

Yancy Street Gang Jul 07 2005 04:31 PM

Three of four from the division-leading Nationals. Not too shabby.

Edgy DC Jul 07 2005 04:31 PM

Sweet win. It took all of us to win this. Farewell, five hundred!

Spacemans Bong Jul 07 2005 04:31 PM

5 back of the Braves in the WC.

Johnny Dickshot Jul 07 2005 04:33 PM

Elster88 Jul 07 2005 04:33 PM

Yancy Street Gang wrote: Officially, that would be a 6-2-9-2-6 double play. I don't think so, I think Gameday got it wrong. Didn't Floyd make the last out at the plate? I think it was Guillen straight to the catcher on the fly, to Carroll, back home.

Edgy DC Jul 07 2005 04:33 PM

Gameday shows that Cordero foul went pretty deep. Does that hook around the pole in a smaller park?

Elster88 Jul 07 2005 04:34 PM

Rotblatt Jul 07 2005 04:34 PM

So here's the question: is this the beginning of the end for the Nationals, the beginning of the Mets' resurgance, both, or neither? Perhaps I'll start a poll . . .

Yancy Street Gang Jul 07 2005 04:35 PM

And that's 20 saves for Looper. I don't generally think much of saves, but that's a pretty good total after 85 games.

Elster88 Jul 07 2005 04:35 PM

Rotblatt wrote: So here's the question: is this the beginning of the end for the Nationals, the beginning of the Mets' resurgance, both, or neither? Perhaps I'll start a poll . . . They're still not hitting. Take away Piazza's three hits and Beltran's two hits and they don't score today.

Frayed Knot Jul 07 2005 04:36 PM

9 - 2 - 6 - 2 RBI-1B/DP would be more like it. Bell = WP Loops = Save Piazza = 3 hits (999 as NYM) including game winner Benson = Good start Beltran = 2 2Bs and game-winning run Rest of team = eh

ScarletKnight41 Jul 07 2005 04:37 PM

For the third time this season I was in attendance at the one game of a series that the Mets didn't win (although this time I also saw a winner on Monday at least). STFU to the guys selling the Mets Suck shirts on Monday. Who do you think you are talking trash after you've had a major league team for all of 15 minutes?

Elster88 Jul 07 2005 04:39 PM

I've seen a lot of angry posts because of those T-shirts. Doesn't really bother me that much. They're excited to have a team is all. They're not allowed to be overly excited about having a team after a few decades? Saying that they can't have t-shirts because they just got a team smacks of Yanqui fans telling Red Sock fans that they only have 18 more championships to catch up.

Spacemans Bong Jul 07 2005 04:40 PM

Edgy DC wrote: Gameday shows that Cordero foul went pretty deep. Does that hook around the pole in a smaller park? In the Polo Grounds maybe, but it's only 335 down the line in DC, and it was a good 20 feet from the fence. The question was whether it'd go in the stands, not go out.

Spacemans Bong Jul 07 2005 04:42 PM

By the way, the Nationals have scored 345 runs this year and allowed 348. I do not expect them to have a good second half. Perhaps they'll defy Pythagoras for the entire second half, but I'd bet against it.

ScarletKnight41 Jul 07 2005 04:43 PM

They're not established enough to talk trash. And they've never had a particular rivalry with the Mets. I'm fine with them being excited about having a team after a 35 year absence - go to town. But the should do it by cheering on their own team, not trash talking about mine. Fuck 'em!

Elster88 Jul 07 2005 04:43 PM

Love the afternoon win, but hate no night game on a weeknight. Let's play two.

MFS62 Jul 07 2005 04:45 PM

Edgy DC wrote: Gameday shows that Cordero foul went pretty deep. Does that hook around the pole in a smaller park? Edgy, IIRC the left field line at RFK is a pretty standard 330' or so. Its in the power alleys and centerfield where fly balls go to die at RFK. There aren't too many ballparks that come to mind with a shorter distance at the foul/ fair pole. Of course, Yankee Stadium is shorter. And Fenway is 315' to the wall, but I don't know if the ball was high enough at that point to clear the Monster, Maybe in the newer parks in Milwaukee, Houston and Cincy it might have had a chance. And I think I read thatthey moved the plate back about 15' in OPACY, so it might not have been a homer there, either. Come to think of it, MLB passed a rule a few years back that any new ballparks had to be a minimun 330' down the line and 400' in center. If any of the newer parks are less than that, it required a waiver from the Commissioner's office. Hope that helped. Later

Elster88 Jul 07 2005 04:46 PM

ScarletKnight41 wrote: They're not established enough to talk trash. And they've never had a particular rivalry with the Mets. I'm fine with them being excited about having a team after a 35 year absence - go to town. But the should do it by cheering on their own team, not trash talking about mine. Fuck 'em! I see your point. But I've also seen people (not necessarily you, CookieMom) grumping that they go nuts at every little thing. I see all of this: the trash-talk, the t-shirts, and the cheering a 2-out single when down 8-1 as exuberance at having baseball in town. Considering how many people don't like baseball, I see this as a good thing.

holychicken Jul 07 2005 04:46 PM

]And they've never had a particular rivalry with the Mets. This is what I agree with, not the fact that they haven't been around long. I mean, what have the Mets done to them? Nothing. . . until now. MUAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAH!!!

Willets Point Jul 07 2005 04:50 PM

I would really enjoy it if the Mets, Nats and Phillies all got to be good at the same time and a had a good three-city rivalry. [Any Team] Sucks t-shirts are stupid no matter what fans sell/wear them although generally they only attract a small part of the fan base. I found my RFK experience to be cordial, although I wasn't there for SK's run-in. Interestingly, the most hostile I've ever seen opposing fans was in Baltimore back at an interleague game in 1997. Maybe there's a regional distaste for New York teams down there.

ScarletKnight41 Jul 07 2005 04:51 PM

The grumbling has come from me, I'm sure. And they can be as stupid as they want - it's their business. It's the trash talk and the sudden MFYesque attitude of entitlement that pissed me off.

86-Dreamer Jul 07 2005 04:57 PM

I am still confused about that double play - Guillen did not really cover second base, did he?

Edgy DC Jul 07 2005 04:59 PM

We briefly "Yankees Suck!"ed a lost Yankee-hat-wearing guy at the Bobby back at the fourth. I tried to explain to Cha that we were performing a parody. She gave me that "I don't know who you are, why are you talking to me?" look.

Nymr83 Jul 07 2005 05:02 PM

]He had to stop and wait until the ball was thrown. Why? if you run all-out then Guillen is more than welcome to throw you out at second, which would have gauranteed Beltran's scoring without there even being a throw. In a tie game you almost have to know that Guillen is throwing home.

soupcan Jul 07 2005 05:08 PM

ScarletKnight41 wrote: The grumbling has come from me, I'm sure. And they can be as stupid as they want - it's their business. It's the trash talk and the sudden MFYesque attitude of entitlement that pissed me off. Don't waste your time fretting 'bout it. That team is NOT built to last. The fans will lose their cocksure attitude right quick once their hometown heros do the dog days dive.

Johnny Dickshot Jul 07 2005 05:09 PM

Not for nothin but I didn't think the DC fans were especially arrogant. I shudder to think what an out-of-towner might make of a single game at Shea this year. Dorks who wear things and/or say things just to get noticed are in every park. The clapping for dumb plays happens in lots of places too.

KC Jul 07 2005 05:13 PM

>>>Why?<<< Because, unless I'm not remembering correctly, a replay camera angle actually showed Piazza stopping and having to wait to see the ball whiz home. If he went any further and got deeked and picked off this thread may have a very different ending. Well, they were all out anyways, but that's why.

soupcan Jul 07 2005 05:17 PM

]The clapping for dumb plays happens in lots of places too. Dude - a standing O from the whole park last night as Livan left the mound? Pitched to one batter in the 8th, gave up 8 hits, 5 runs (all earned), 3 walks, 4 Ks and a HR. That deserves an ovation? These chuckleheads are clueless.

Nymr83 Jul 07 2005 05:46 PM

KC wrote: >>>Why?<<< Because, unless I'm not remembering correctly, a replay camera angle actually showed Piazza stopping and having to wait to see the ball whiz home. If he went any further and got deeked and picked off this thread may have a very different ending. Well, they were all out anyways, but that's why. theres was 1 out not 2, if he gets thrown out trying for second allowing beltran to score without a throw in the process i'm ok with that. i'm really not even too upset about what did happen because you are trying to trade piazza for floyd's run there, they just happened to get them both which is unusual. my thing is that knowing the score and situation you just bust it out of the box for 2B there, thers no reason to hold up.

martin Jul 07 2005 05:56 PM

i tried to think of how the mets did something wrong on that final play, but i couldnt come up with anything. maybe i would have liked to see piazza hold up and make a rundown at second, but that prrobably wasnt possible. seems like it was a pretty low percentage p[lay for washing to get both outs, and i dont fault the mets for trying. it was fun to watch, and close all around.

Willets Point Jul 07 2005 06:00 PM

soupcan wrote: ]The clapping for dumb plays happens in lots of places too. Dude - a standing O from the whole park last night as Livan left the mound? Pitched to one batter in the 8th, gave up 8 hits, 5 runs (all earned), 3 walks, 4 Ks and a HR. That deserves an ovation? These chuckleheads are clueless. Perhaps. Or perhaps they're recognizing that Hernandez had a 2 1/2 month winning streak on the line and wanted to show him some appreciation.

soupcan Jul 07 2005 08:40 PM

Willets Point wrote: Perhaps. Or perhaps they're recognizing that Hernandez had a 2 1/2 month winning streak on the line and wanted to show him some appreciation. Nope. They're dumb.

ScarletKnight41 Jul 07 2005 09:09 PM

Johnny Dickshot wrote: Dorks who wear things and/or say things just to get noticed are in every park. The clapping for dumb plays happens in lots of places too. You know what? I've been to games in every current major league park, and several others that are no longer around.. This place was as stupid as I've ever seen.

Frayed Knot Jul 07 2005 10:12 PM

]theres was 1 out not 2, if he gets thrown out trying for second allowing beltran to score without a throw in the process i'm ok with that. i'm really not even too upset about what did happen because you are trying to trade piazza for floyd's run there, they just happened to get them both which is unusual. my thing is that knowing the score and situation you just bust it out of the box for 2B there, thers no reason to hold up. The hit was a bloop to short RF, there's no way Piazza should be running non-stop toward 2nd at that point. Piazza only decided to take off for 2nd once the ball bounced away from the catcher. Floyd (although you couldn't see it) must have decided to try to score once the throw went down to 2nd. Both would have been better off not trying to advance - it would have left us w/1st & 3rd and still just 1 out.

Bret Sabermetric Jul 08 2005 07:03 AM

soupcan wrote: "The clapping for dumb plays happens in lots of places too." Dude - a standing O from the whole park last night as Livan left the mound? Pitched to one batter in the 8th, gave up 8 hits, 5 runs (all earned), 3 walks, 4 Ks and a HR. That deserves an ovation?These chuckleheads are clueless. ="Willets Point"]Perhaps. Or perhaps they're recognizing that Hernandez had a 2 1/2 month winning streak on the line and wanted to show him some appreciation. Exactly right, WP. Use the principle I often apply to Demo/Pubbie issues: If your guy were doing the same thing you're so bitterly complaining the other guy is doing, would you be defending it? Would at least your vitriol be simmered down? Yes? Then please STFU and use that information, plus the brains God gave a cashew nut, and learn how to modify your own obnoxious behavior to the minimal standards you expect others to adhere to. Mets fans have never given an SO to a mediocre performance from one of their favorites? Mets fans have never chanted that so-and-so sucks? Why not open a booth supplying Expos/Nats fans with applications for Mets enmity, have them state how long they've hated the Mets for, have them notorize the statement, run the application past your board for Mets-haters certification, and let them know when they've qualified? Pull-leaze.

MFS62 Jul 08 2005 07:49 AM

While this discussion was going on, other baseball stuff was going on. The National League Mets weren't the only organization team to beat the Nats today. Look at this: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/scores105/105188/BBM2005_07_07_natrok-mtsrok-1.htm Later

seawolf17 Jul 08 2005 07:52 AM

20 runs without the benefit of a home run. I guess drawing fourteen walks will do that.

TheOldMole Jul 08 2005 08:01 AM

Well, with Robin Ventura at third for the Mets, what do you expect?

holychicken Jul 08 2005 08:38 AM

Reyes would have managed to not get a walk.