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Johnny Dickshot Jul 08 2005 07:03 PM

Ahoy. Bluebeards Reyes Camarrrghon Beltran Floyd Wright Anderson 1B Castro Cairo 2B Zambrano Blackbeards Lawton Freddy Sanchez 3B Bay Mackowiack Castillo Warrrrrd Ryan Doumit C Jack Wilson Fogg

Johnny Dickshot Jul 08 2005 07:19 PM

2nd straight game where the Mets score a run without a hit in the first: Reyes walks (!) steals second, crosses to 3rd on a grounder and draws a balk with his galloping along the line to score. We went 1-2-3 otherwise.

Johnny Dickshot Jul 08 2005 07:31 PM

Anderson doubles on a hard shot to right that Lawton should've caught. Castro retired on a hard shot to left that Bay shouldn't have caught. Seeing as I'm the only guy here, be sure to watch Bay's catch to-nite on the hi-lites. Arrrrgh.

Bret Sabermetric Jul 08 2005 07:35 PM

Actually, there's one guy and one fucktard. Zambrano K's Ward to end the inning

MFS62 Jul 08 2005 07:40 PM

Who's who? Later

soupcan Jul 08 2005 07:41 PM

Loaded question there MFS.

Bret Sabermetric Jul 08 2005 07:49 PM

Nother K to close out the 3rd.

Johnny Dickshot Jul 08 2005 07:59 PM

Vagina Boy cruises thru the 4th, suffering his first hit on a bogusly caled double that Floyd oughta have caught. 1-0 still, 1 hit each.

seawolf17 Jul 08 2005 08:50 PM

I thought I was the only one who remembered the "Vagina Boy" nickname. Reyes boots a grounder and there are two on, two out in the bottom of the 7th, but Jack Wilson K's to end it. Wish I started Zambrano this week. And BTW, a belated first of the year for Castro.

Johnny Dickshot Jul 08 2005 08:51 PM

still the only guy here? Castro goes ka-blam, as do all the Met fielders, making this excellent outing for Zambrano considerably more strenuous than necessary. After 7: 3-1 good guys, Zambrano 4 hits (2 w/o hometown scoring), 3 K's, 1 BB, about 100 pitches. I think I invented Vagina Boy

MFS62 Jul 08 2005 08:57 PM

Why that name? 'Splain, please. Later

TheOldMole Jul 08 2005 09:01 PM

Zambrano has pretty much proved himself to me by this time. Two force outs from Wright to Joel Cairo.

TheOldMole Jul 08 2005 09:03 PM

And he uses all the park to get out number three -- great catch by Beltran.

seawolf17 Jul 08 2005 09:07 PM

Zambrano is our second-best starting pitcher right now. Without question. Vagina Boy comes from the mnemonic JD created to remember the Mets' rotation when the season began: The VB (which stood for Victor-Benson, I believe) was at the end, but I don't remember what the full five-word mnemonic was.

seawolf17 Jul 08 2005 09:08 PM

Will they all pleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleaseplease stop sliding head-first into first base? If David Wright loftons his shoulder diving like a moron and misses any time, I'm going to be pissed.

Edgy DC Jul 08 2005 09:16 PM

Sorry I haven't logged in. I was out shopping for Zambrano pajamas. My new zjs.

seawolf17 Jul 08 2005 09:17 PM

Castro with a big RBI single up the middle, and it's going to be a tough call between Castro and Zambrano for the PotG.

TheOldMole Jul 08 2005 09:19 PM

It's gotta be Z-man. A very nice couple of insurance runs here.

TheOldMole Jul 08 2005 09:20 PM

Daubach making a bid to stay on the team. Yet another Met baserunning blunder, but not in a critical situation.

seawolf17 Jul 08 2005 09:20 PM

And then Castro decides not to run on a Daubach double off the wall and gets thrown out at the plate. Nuts. Ramon, listen to Manny Acta, will you?

Edgy DC Jul 08 2005 09:20 PM

Daubach pinch-hits for Zambrano. Standing O for Zammy. Daubach doubles but Castro gets killed at the plate doing his "Be like Mike" routine.

Edgy DC Jul 08 2005 09:23 PM

Everybody comforts Castro on the plate, patting and hugging his enormous head. Except Randolph, who looks steamed.

Johnny Dickshot Jul 08 2005 09:24 PM

Castro is absolutely ripping the ball tonight but he's the worst baserunner on the Mets since.... Payton? eh, he's much worse than Payton. At least JP could run and hustled most of the time.

Willets Point Jul 08 2005 09:29 PM

I saw Bay's catch and the replays of said catch. Castro totally Timo'ed on that play. C'mon Aaron, don't Looper this.

Edgy DC Jul 08 2005 09:30 PM

Shouldn't a reliever lower on the totem pole be working here?

TheOldMole Jul 08 2005 09:30 PM

Heilman picking up another Schaefer point.

seawolf17 Jul 08 2005 09:30 PM

Heilman loads the bases and loses his Schaefer point.

Johnny Dickshot Jul 08 2005 09:31 PM

OK, way to bring the tying run to the plate.

Edgy DC Jul 08 2005 09:32 PM

With two out, Aarrrron Heilman brings the tying rrrrun to the plate, and Brrraden Loops on to save it.

Edgy DC Jul 08 2005 09:34 PM

McClendon plays the splits and sends Tike Redman up to bat.

Johnny Dickshot Jul 08 2005 09:34 PM

Lotta dangerous comments this inning. Schaefer points, non-critical baserunning errors, etc.

seawolf17 Jul 08 2005 09:37 PM

Prentice's brother is making Looper work.

Johnny Dickshot Jul 08 2005 09:39 PM

Fucking Castro. I'm gonna kill him.

Edgy DC Jul 08 2005 09:40 PM

I Dislike Tike Holy crap!

TheOldMole Jul 08 2005 09:41 PM

Floyd blows out number three, and the game is tied

Johnny Dickshot Jul 08 2005 09:41 PM

Jesus Christ. We deserve to lose this game so much it's not even funny.

TheOldMole Jul 08 2005 09:42 PM

I think I will hold my tongue forever.

mlbaseballtalk Jul 08 2005 09:42 PM

Edgy DC wrote: With two out, Aarrrron Heilman brings the tying rrrrun to the plate, and Brrraden Loops on to save it. And WFAN/1050 ESPN Radio callers wanted him to be in the rotation And don't get me started on Braden Benitez... Its like from Doug Sisk to Jesse Orosco

Johnny Dickshot Jul 08 2005 09:43 PM

Lay off the pen. This is all Castro's fault.

Edgy DC Jul 08 2005 09:44 PM

Jesse Orosco rocked the casbah. Jose Reyes just made a game saving play there.

seawolf17 Jul 08 2005 09:44 PM

Schaefer Jinx Points, 7/8/05: OldMole 3 Heilman 2 Castro 2 Looper 1 Floyd 1 Redman 0.5 Lawton 0.5 (Just kidding, Mole.)

Edgy DC Jul 08 2005 09:45 PM

Good move, at least in retrospect, by McClendon, going with Redman there.

mlbaseballtalk Jul 08 2005 09:46 PM

Edgy DC wrote: Jesse Orosco rocked the casbah. Jose Reyes just made a game saving play there. Okay, maybe Franco is a better analogy, but I was using the same bullpen corps and I had more faith in Roger

Willets Point Jul 08 2005 09:47 PM

Did we win this thing? My f'in browser crapped out with one out in the 9th and I had to reboot.

mlbaseballtalk Jul 08 2005 09:47 PM

Johnny Dickshot wrote: Lay off the pen. This is all Castro's fault. Good point, I'm just bitter

seawolf17 Jul 08 2005 09:47 PM

No.

Edgy DC Jul 08 2005 09:47 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 08 2005 09:48 PM

Somebody tell Beltran that if you don't put that first pitch in play, they throw you others.

MFS62 Jul 08 2005 09:48 PM

Castro didn't score because he couldn't see the ball hit the wall. He had a vision problem. His head was so far up his ass that his eyes were blocked. BTW- where was the third base coach? I saw the replay on tv and when Castro rounded third, the coach wasn't anywhere in the picture. I think Randolph was madder at the coach than he was at Castro. If the Mets lose this game, fire the coach. Later

Johnny Dickshot Jul 08 2005 09:49 PM

The amount of flat-out lousy plays by the Mets in this game is really staggering and we were fortunate not to let them get to us till now. Errors or shoulda been errors by Reyes, Anderson, Cameron, Floyd, shit baserunning by Castro, ineffective relief pitching by Heilman & Looper, ohfers by Cameron & Floyd. Now we have to face Bay to lead off the 10th.

mlbaseballtalk Jul 08 2005 09:51 PM

="Johnny Dickshot" Now we have to face Bay to lead off the 10th. Blame CAN-A-DA! Blame CAN-A-DA! Blame CAN-A-DA!

holychicken Jul 08 2005 09:52 PM

WTF happened? I left the bar and everything was good. . .and now 4 runs in the 9th? WTF, mate?

Willets Point Jul 08 2005 09:53 PM

WTF is right!

Frayed Knot Jul 08 2005 09:53 PM

Shouldn'ta left the bar

Edgy DC Jul 08 2005 09:54 PM

It's because you left the bar, yo!

mlbaseballtalk Jul 08 2005 09:54 PM

Oh MADON!

seawolf17 Jul 08 2005 09:54 PM

And Cairo throws a fifteen-foot throw into the camera both. Come on, fellas.

Edgy DC Jul 08 2005 09:54 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 08 2005 09:55 PM

Worst. Throw. Ever. Let's blame Matsui.

Johnny Dickshot Jul 08 2005 09:55 PM

Nice play, Cairo. I left him off the list of crap plays earlier as he let by a single that any 2Bman in the league coulda gathered in.

holychicken Jul 08 2005 09:55 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 08 2005 09:56 PM

I think that officially turned everyone off of Cairo and back to Matsui. (edited because I wa sa little drunk when I posted that)

Willets Point Jul 08 2005 09:56 PM

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDDDDDDDDGGE!!!!!

Edgy DC Jul 08 2005 09:57 PM

Win or lose, Randolph should be taking a Louisville Slugger to the buffet table tonight. "If you win, all sins are forgiven," my butt.

holychicken Jul 08 2005 09:57 PM

I just cracked a beer. . .I am hoping it wasn't because I left the bar but because I stopped drinking beer.

seawolf17 Jul 08 2005 09:58 PM

Here comes the dangerous [url=http://ultimatemets.com/gamedetail.php?gameno=6885]Humberto Cota[/url].

Johnny Dickshot Jul 08 2005 09:59 PM

I'm gonna start drinking no matter how this turns out.

seawolf17 Jul 08 2005 09:59 PM

Dammitdammitdammitdammitdammitdammitdammitdammitdammit.

Johnny Dickshot Jul 08 2005 09:59 PM

Fuck me hard. This is the worst game ever.

Edgy DC Jul 08 2005 09:59 PM

Game. $%^&.

Frayed Knot Jul 08 2005 10:00 PM

WORST. LOSS. EVER. Well, this year anyway -- worse than opening day!

holychicken Jul 08 2005 10:00 PM

nope, obviously it was the bar :(

Willets Point Jul 08 2005 10:01 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 08 2005 10:03 PM

The Mets (slurping sound)!!!!! Or it's the curse of my computer. Pre-crash: Mets up 4 runs with a mere two outs to go. Post-crash: Mets are loosers.

seawolf17 Jul 08 2005 10:02 PM

This was definitely worse than Opening Day. Up by four with two out in the ninth, closer on the mound. You just came off a great series win against the first-place team in your division. Victor Zambrano was excellent. Dammit. Dammitdammitdammitdammitdammitdammitdammitdammit.

Johnny Dickshot Jul 08 2005 10:03 PM

About a billion times worse than opening day. Worse than opening Day 2003, even. Can you believe Gary just named Castro the "Nikon Camera Player of the Game"? He ought to be sent to Norfolk tonight. I can live with Benito Santiago for a few days.

cooby Jul 08 2005 10:07 PM

Arrggh is right

seawolf17 Jul 08 2005 10:07 PM

Is Gary drunk? At least Ted Robinson (rightfully) picked Vagina Boy.

cooby Jul 08 2005 10:12 PM

"Buc" up, everyone, tomorrow night is Ishii

Johnny Dickshot Jul 08 2005 10:12 PM

Oh to be a fly on the wall during the closed door meeting that's probably going on right this second.

cooby Jul 08 2005 10:13 PM

I wonder if Cliff went in from the dugout yet

Frayed Knot Jul 08 2005 10:25 PM

Fuckup Rollcall Checklist: 1st base: Yup. Anderson's error leads to a run 2nd base: Yup. Cairo's error leads to the winning run SS: Yup. Reyes w/an error 3B: Not that I can think of LF: Yup. An oh-fer, plus the critical mis-play CF: Nothing specific, but can you look at a pitch now and then? RF: Oh-fer, including 2 Ks plus the ball off your glove led to run #1 C: Umm yeah. You mis-judged that fly ball about 3 different times P: Heilman = Yup. Looper = didn't get a lot of help but still Yup

metirish Jul 08 2005 10:27 PM

Well that game sucked big elephants you know what, Duan I just saw you on here, as bad as I feel it must be worse to have stayed up in Ireland after 3AM to watch this,were you in from a club or did you watch the game?

Edgy DC Jul 08 2005 11:36 PM

]Can you believe Gary just named Castro the "Nikon Camera Player of the Game"? I'm switching to Minolta. Wasn't there something about Randolph being the type of guy who continues to drill on phundamentals well into the season? Phundamentally phlawed game. We deserve to lose on Cairo's Knoblauch-throw alone. I'm not even sure it deserves a Knoblauch tag. He almost quit on the throw.

Spacemans Bong Jul 09 2005 12:22 AM

Mets? What fundamentals? This team doesn't have particularly good fundamentals. My balls hurt from this loss.

Edgy DC Jul 09 2005 12:27 AM

Well, I'm quite certain I didn't say that they did. But rather that it was widely reported that Randolph intended to continually drill them.

Spacemans Bong Jul 09 2005 02:44 AM

Edgy DC wrote: Well, I'm quite certain I didn't say that they did. But rather that it was widely reported that Randolph intended to continually drill them. Guess he's let up. Which makes me wonder what he does now anyway, as he continues to bat a .278 OBP at the top of the order. FFS.

MFS62 Jul 09 2005 08:08 AM

This one kept me thinking about it all night. One question kept coming up: Why? Why did Castro stop at third base and look back? He's been playing ball for (obviously) more than20 years. And from day 1, I'll bet he was told to look for and trust the third base coach in similar situations. So, the question remains, why did he stop and look back? The only thing I can think of is that he couldn't find the coach when he looked for him. And, y'know what? When I review the tv shots (including replays) in my mind, I don't remember seeing the third base coach either. In the heat of the game, it can sometimes be excusable for a player to make a mental mistake. But not for a coach. That is the only thing they get paid to do - make in-game decisions and relay information to the player. I know it is more Steinbrenner's style, but if Wilpon/ Omar had any gonads, and wanted to demonstrate that these are a "new" Mets, then Manny Acta is on a plane out of Pittsburgh, and out of the organization, this morning. This was a humiliating loss, and someone's got to pay. Later

KC Jul 09 2005 08:23 AM

Crap, I woke up this morning thinking I had a nightmare ... but it did happen? I don't know how something like that could happen to a professional base- ball team, but it happened? Survive all that crap-ass baseball and then blow a four run lead with two outs? It really happened?

Iubitul Jul 09 2005 08:47 AM

i am so happy that I fell asleep a little after 8, because I was so worn out yesterday.

Edgy DC Jul 09 2005 10:14 AM

From the New York Times: ]Even though Ramon Castro hit his first home run of the season on Friday, and even though the Mets added two runs in the ninth inning, Castro could not sneak that extra run across. More galling, he could not score from second base on a double after he slowed down, thinking the third-base coach Manny Acta was telling him to stop when Acta was actually giving the sign to Cairo, the trailing runner. Castro was easily thrown out at the plate. "I thought it was for me," Castro said of the sign from Acta. "It was a mistake. It was my mistake." There's nothing in scapegoating that displays the presence of "gonads." Quite the opposite. It took a lot players to lose yesterday.

MFS62 Jul 09 2005 10:32 AM

Fair point. Later

Rotblatt Jul 09 2005 11:32 AM

This loss killed me. Cliff had to make that play. Cairo had to make that play. Castro had to score. bleh. We suck

Edgy DC Jul 09 2005 11:35 AM

My guess is that Acta was above the picture, fully expecting Castro to have run toward home, and concerning himself with the trailing runner and wanting him to put the brakes on without making the turn.

Bret Sabermetric Jul 09 2005 11:42 AM

Hey, shit happens. Good teams lose a third of their games. It's a long season. When the going gets tough, the tough get going. It's a marathon, not a sprint. You're never as good as you think you are when you're winning, and never so bad as you think you are when you're losing. Ballplayers are humans, and humans make mistakes--the idea is to learn from the mistakes you make.

Johnny Dickshot Jul 09 2005 11:44 AM

The Castro one is the killer, since all the others, more or less, were cases of guys not getting it done physically. If Castro scores we're presumably still batting. Oh hell. I will try and speak no longer of this game.

Frayed Knot Jul 09 2005 01:48 PM

A glimpse of Acta was seen in one of the shots, he was considerably down the line which is where coaches usually are in those situations. Couldn't see what he was doing at that moment. What it sounds like is that Cairo was running up Castro's ample butt due to Ramon's initial mis-reading of the hit in the first place. Acta was probably in the midst of a 'you go - but YOU stop' pantomime which led to Castro's second mis-reading in the span of 10 seconds or so. All I know is that one night's sleep and one long bike ride later and I'm still pissed off.

Elster88 Jul 09 2005 04:37 PM

Spacemans Bong wrote: Guess he's let up. Which makes me wonder what he does now anyway, as he continues to bat a .278 OBP at the top of the order. FFS. That's the last thing to be concerned about, esp considering Jose has done more than his share tearing up the basepaths and taking walks the past couple of days. Can we lay off Willie? Can any of this game really be considered his fault?