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seawolf17
Jul 13 2006 04:04 PM

We mentioned the Aubrey Huff-to-Houston deal in another thread, but a doozie came down today:

The Nationals acquired outfielder Austin Kearns, shortstop Felipe Lopez and right-handed pitcher Ryan Wagner from the Reds in exchange for right-handed pitcher Gary Majewski, left-handed pitcher Bill Bray, infielder Brendan Harris, shortstop Royce Clayton and right-handed pitcher Daryl Thompson.

Last season for Washington, Majewski recorded a 2.93 ERA while leading the pitching staff with 79 appearances, a franchise record for a rookie. During the first half of this season he went 3-2 with a 3.58 ERA in 46 games.

Bray, 23, made his Major League debut this season and has posted a 3.91 ERA in 19 relief appearances.

This season for the Nats, Clayton is hitting .269 with 22 doubles and 8 stolen bases in 87 appearances.

Harris, 25, has appeared in 17 games for the Nationals and hit .283 with five home runs and 32 RBI in 59 games for New Orleans.

Thompson, 20, was selected by the Expos in the eighth round of the 2003 first-year player draft. This season for Vermont in the Class A New York-Penn League he went 0-1 with a 6.75 ERA in 4 starts.

Kearns, 26, this season for the Reds hit .274 with 16 home runs and 50 RBI in 87 appearances.

Lopez, 26, hit .268 with nine home runs and 30 RBI in 85 games during the season's first half.

Wagner, 23, has spent the entire season in the minor leagues at Louisville, where he has posted a 6.34 ERA in 35 relief appearances.

The Reds recalled outfielder Chris Denorfia and infielder William Bergolla from Louisville to fill the roster spots of Kearns and Lopez on Thursday night.

MFS62
Jul 13 2006 04:07 PM

I wonder if they got Kearns to replace the rumored-to-be-on-the-block Soriano? If they'll keep both, they're putting together a nice lineup.
Stay tuned.

Later

Edgy DC
Jul 13 2006 04:14 PM

I know I'm misreading this, but at first glance, the Reds are getting taken.

TransMonk
Jul 13 2006 04:17 PM

I agree, I don't get it.

Yancy Street Gang
Jul 13 2006 04:17 PM

That's how it looked to me, too. And the Reds are more in the 2006 race than the Nationals are. They're 1.5 games out of the Wild Card, and DC is 9 back.

seawolf17
Jul 13 2006 04:17 PM

I agree; I thought so immediately, but I wanted to see if maybe I was seeing things wrong. They gave up a masher (Kearns) and a 20/20 shortstop (Lopez), PLUS their 2004 #1 draft pick who struck out 148 guys in 71 innings his senior year in college (Wagner) for Frankenstein (Majewski), a guy with a 5+ ERA in AAA last year (Bray), a middle infield "prospect" who's now in his fourth organization in two years (Harris), an old guy (Clayton), and a 20-year-old (Thompson).

OlerudOwned
Jul 13 2006 04:18 PM

Edgy DC wrote:
I know I'm misreading this, but at first glance, the Reds are getting taken.
No misread, this is a pretty lopsided trade.

Clayton + Speed + Power - 10 years = Felipe Lopez

Majewski is a good relief pitcher who now gets to pitch in a bandbox.

Bray is a young LOOGY.

Kearns reminds me of Nady.

Yancy Street Gang
Jul 13 2006 04:19 PM

From Joe Kay of the Associated Press:

]Cincinnati's bullpen has dragged it down the last two months, giving up the most homers in the majors. The Reds came out of the All-Star break at 45-44, trailing St. Louis by four games in the NL Central and in the middle of the wild-card race.


]Majewski, a 26-year-old righty, was 3-2 with a 3.58 ERA in 46 games. He led the Nationals with 79 appearances last season and had a 2.93 ERA.

Bray, a 23-year-old lefty, was the 13th overall pick in the June 2004 draft and was considered one of the Nationals' top pitching prospects. He was 1-1 with a 3.91 ERA in 19 relief appearances this season, his first in the majors.

In order to get them, the Reds had to give up two of their everyday players.

The 26-year-old Kearns was hitting .274 with 16 homers and 50 RBIs. The right fielder was considered one of the team's building blocks under Bowden, who was fired midway through the 2003 season. They listened to offers from other teams over the winter, but decided to hold onto Kearns.

Lopez, also 26, is hitting .268 with nine homers and 30 RBIs. He failed to improve upon his breakthrough season last year, when he made his first All-Star team.

Willets Point
Jul 13 2006 04:21 PM

]The Nationals acquired outfielder Austin Kearns, shortstop Felipe Lopez and right-handed pitcher Ryan Wagner from the Reds in exchange for right-handed pitcher Gary Majewski, left-handed pitcher Bill Bray, infielder Brendan Harris, shortstop Royce Clayton and right-handed pitcher Daryl Thompson.


That looks like a classic MOFO WATP.

seawolf17
Jul 13 2006 04:22 PM

Yancy Street Gang wrote:
Lopez, also 26, is hitting .268 with nine homers and 30 RBIs. He failed to improve upon his breakthrough season last year, when he made his first All-Star team.

Yeah, you definitely want to give up a 26-year-old who hits .260 for a 36-year-old who hits .260. Brilliant.

In the Reds' defense, it does open up space for my birthday buddy Ryan Freel, who deserves more time, and for Chris Denorfia, who's one of their top OF prospects.

Deal still probably sucks if I'm a Reds fan.

OlerudOwned
Jul 13 2006 04:24 PM

http://www.redreporter.com/story/2006/7/13/15430/5675#commenttop

These Reds fans agree, wolf.

Rotblatt
Jul 13 2006 04:26 PM

An absolute steal for the Nats. Wow. If they don't start unloading guys like Hernandez & Soriano, they could contend for a wild card slot this year, 9 games out or no.

And hell, long-term, they're looking mighty dangerous.

Yancy Street Gang
Jul 13 2006 04:27 PM

Speaking of Nationals and trades, this is from Ken Davidoff in Newsday:

]Mets. Everything in Omar Minaya's history says he'll acquire a pitcher between now and July 31. He'd rather be overly proactive than overly passive. The glaring need lies in the starting rotation, of course, and there are very few upgrades available from the quintet the Mets currently employ.

In return for Livan Hernandez, the Nationals still wonder whether they can get Lastings Milledge or Mike Pelfrey. They can't, of course. Washington must be motivated to move Hernandez's salary in return for little talent, and then Minaya can really negotiate with his counterpart Jim Bowden. Expect the Nats to relent as we approach July 31, and for Minaya to reunite the Hernandez half-brothers, just as he did in Montreal three years ago.

Pelfrey, meanwhile, will start for the Mets next week, giving Minaya a better idea of how badly he needs another starter.

Pedro Martinez has two and a half months to work his way into peak form, at whatever pace he desires, while the position players merely have to avoid accidents of all kinds.

Edgy DC
Jul 13 2006 04:29 PM

First of all, Majeski isn't Frankestein, he's Inigo Montoya.

Now, the Nats have a pretty accomplished bullpen at first glance, and the Reds a pretty weak one, but please don't tell me this deal is about muscling up Cincy's pen. The difference between your typical Reds relief pitcher and your typical Nats relief pitcher is the ballparks as much as anything. The Reds bullpen isn't killing them so much as their ballpark. It's also helping them to kill other people's bullpens. ("You down wit' OPB? Yeah you know me!")

Johnny Dickshot
Jul 13 2006 04:34 PM

="Yancy Street Gang"]Speaking of Nationals and trades, this is from Ken Davidoff in Newsday:

]Mets. Everything in Omar Minaya's history says he'll acquire a pitcher between now and July 31..


Yeah. Everything except his entire track record as Mets GM (last year) when yutzes like Davidoff said the exact same thing.

(Not that I disagree they'll try and trade for some help, just the framing of the argument).

That is a doozy of a deal. They must really like Majeski

Frayed Knot
Jul 13 2006 04:41 PM

Majewski is a pretty good reliever and the Reds pen needed help bad - but they must really like those young Washingtonians (who I know nothing about) or this trade seems really odd to me too. You would have though Kearns to be safe when they dealt Wily Mo Pena early in the season.
But this all looks like the team in contention is trading for the future and verse-vica. Clayton's OK for instance but he's 64 years old. Sheeet, he was already a veteren when he became the first ever strikeout victim of teacher-turned-pitcher Jim Morris and that was about 8 years ago.

MFS62
Jul 13 2006 06:22 PM

Got a message from my cyber-pal in DC (NO, the other one) who said that this may mean that Jose Guillen may be the one to be dealt by the Nats, not Soriano.

Later

metirish
Jul 13 2006 07:39 PM

St.Louis pick up Jeff Weaver.

smg58
Jul 13 2006 08:00 PM

The Reds/Nats deal is the kind of trade I'd veto in the Fantasy League. Righty relievers with a 3.58 ERA in a pitchers' park are not difference makers. Clayton for Lopez is an enormous downgrade. I've always thought Kearns was overrated, but a lot of teams desired him in the offseason who probably assumed he wasn't available right now. So I guess the deals for Arroyo and Ross were more dumb luck than the Reds' GM knowing something the rest of us didn't.

smg58
Jul 13 2006 08:05 PM

And they STILL can't find room for Ryan Freel in today's starting line-up. If Valentin tails off I'd be on the phone with them very quickly. They can obviously be had.

MFS62
Jul 14 2006 12:11 PM

Confirmed.

Nats sign OF Luis Matos this morning. Marlon Byrd DFAed.


Wonder if the Yanks will give him a try? At least he's a real centerfielder.

Later

Frayed Knot
Jul 14 2006 01:00 PM

Yanx don't need a CFer.
They need a corner guy with some pop and Byrd doesn't fit that at all.

Byrd could make someone a decent bench player but I'm not sure he's looking at much beyond that at this point. Was a fairly highly touted prospect a coupla years back.

Edgy DC
Jul 19 2006 03:59 PM

"Worst trade of the decade gets Mets off hook."

Yancy Street Gang
Jul 19 2006 04:05 PM

I saw the beginning of the local Cincinnati broadcast before Tuesday's game, and the Reds announcer (I forget his name) was going on about the benefits of the deal.

The big plusses: It improves the bullpen and makes the team younger. And if you don't make the team younger, you'll always be having to replace older players.

He finally switched to devil's advocate mode, and asked himself, "Does this make the Reds better for July and August? Probably not. But it does make them better for next April!"

I don't know if that's true or not, but even if it is, why are the Reds making next year deals when they're currently leading the wild card race?

metirish
Jul 19 2006 04:09 PM

The people that like the deal will say that the Reds pen was brutal and that they were not going to the playoffs unless it got revamped,I don;t think people will be talking about this deal beyond this season but the Kazmir deal will be talked about forever probably.

Yancy Street Gang
Jul 19 2006 04:15 PM

Yes, the Kazmir thing is going to linger. Just like fans still lament Joe Foy and Jim Fregosi, they won't let go of Victor Zambrano either.

It was a bad trade, and as time goes on it keeps getting worse. We (collectively) need to move on, though. I don't know why fans have to spend more time thinking about how bad the Nolan Ryan trade was than they spend thinking about how great the Keith Hernandez trade was.

Edgy DC
Jul 19 2006 04:18 PM

I think I do know.

Elster88
Jul 19 2006 04:29 PM

Yancy Street Gang wrote:
Yes, the Kazmir thing is going to linger. Just like fans still lament Joe Foy and Jim Fregosi, they won't let go of Victor Zambrano either.

It was a bad trade, and as time goes on it keeps getting worse. We (collectively) need to move on, though. I don't know why fans have to spend more time thinking about how bad the Nolan Ryan trade was than they spend thinking about how great the Keith Hernandez trade was.


Y'see the thing is (or at least I think the thing is, I'm too young to know) that no one new Ryan would become that nasty, right? Were people against the trade at the time? I could be wrong here but that's why I think the Kazmir deal is different. The majority of the people I know were immediately thinking, "What the HELL are they DOING?"

Yancy Street Gang
Jul 19 2006 04:34 PM

True, the Ryan deal didn't provoke instant head-scratching. Fregosi was an All-Star shortstop who was finally going to solve the Mets third-base problem.

Zvon
Jul 19 2006 07:14 PM

from CBSsportsline:

Kansas City Royals traded 2B Ruben Gotay to the New York Mets for 2B Jeff Keppinger.

smg58
Jul 19 2006 10:08 PM

Edgy DC wrote:
"Worst trade of the decade gets Mets off hook."


Pierzynski for Nathan, Liriano, and Boof Bosner was the worst trade of the decade, as bad as the Kazmir deal was. I don't like the Reds deal at all, but I think you can at least try to make the argument that replacing Kearns and Lopez with Clayton and Denorfia doesn't hurt the lineup as much as Majewski and Bray will help the pen.

Gwreck
Jul 19 2006 10:32 PM

I don't think you can call "worst trade of the decade" until 10 years after the trade have elapsed.

Hell, I think there should be a 5 year waiting period before any "worst ever"-type labels are applied.

Rockin' Doc
Jul 19 2006 10:37 PM

Call it whatever you wish, but when the appropriate time has elapsed, I think the Scott Kazmir for Victor Zambrano trade will be amongst the contenders for worst trade.

SteveJRogers
Jul 19 2006 10:44 PM

Gwreck wrote:
I don't think you can call "worst trade of the decade" until 10 years after the trade have elapsed.

Hell, I think there should be a 5 year waiting period before any "worst ever"-type labels are applied.


Good point.

Hell great case in point, using the Kazmir example (and through in Gen K as well) match Kazmir up with any "old school, ya gotta THROW, THROW, THROW, and then THROW SOME MORE, FUCK PITCH COUNTS" Dallas Green types and who knows Scott Kazmir could become another Kerry Wood/Jason Isringhausen/Paul Wilson/Bill Pulsipher type.

1998 everyone thought Kerry Wood was poised to take his place as the heir apparant to Roger Clemens (especially using Rocket's and Ryan's Texan background) and look how far he's fallen through the years

Getting back to Ryan, Nolan was also very much not a guy who was going to do well here, period. Guy was very introverted, hated the limelight, plus he was too inconsistant to really be plugged into a specific role. It really was a case of sending him to the right change of scenery.

Conversley, even if we had the 72-79 Ryan (Not sure if the time frame lines up right, but there'd be NO WAY the deLoruets were going to sign him to a 1 million contract, and it would set a real bad precesdent for Wilpon/Doubleday to start pulling a move like that either) what good would it have gotten? A Game 6 1973 WS win? I'm not sure

MFS62
Jul 20 2006 11:52 AM

Zvon wrote:
from CBSsportsline:

Kansas City Royals traded 2B Ruben Gotay to the New York Mets for 2B Jeff Keppinger.


Here are Gotay's numbers:
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/G/Ruben-Gotay.shtml

He doesn't strike out an inordinate amount and all those minor league doubles are interesting. With the fact that he doesn't have many steals makes me think those were power, rather than speed doubles. And as he gets older, some of those doubles could turn into homers. (A common comment in some of the scouting magazines/ reports)

Is he a Jose Valentin in the making?
Stay tuned. But he is a switvch hitter with some potential pop in his bat.

Later

Frayed Knot
Jul 20 2006 04:46 PM

Braves deal for Bob Wickman from Cleveland in exchange for a A-ball catcher.

Looks like they'll have themselves a real-life closer just in time for their trip here next week.

Zvon
Jul 20 2006 04:49 PM

Frayed Knot wrote:
Braves deal for Bob Wickman from Cleveland in exchange for a A-ball catcher.

Looks like they'll have themselves a real-life closer just in time for their trip here next week.


Wickman aint all dat this year--
certainly an upgrade for the Braves tho, the way that role has been such a problem for them.

Vic Sage
Jul 20 2006 04:50 PM

Wickman is nothing to get worried about. They'd probably be better off with Ray closing, at this point in Wickie's career.

Frayed Knot
Jul 20 2006 04:53 PM

Not worried about him, but at this point virtually ANY warm body is an improvement to their pen.
Of course if they keep scoring 12 runs/game ...

Edgy DC
Jul 24 2006 04:17 PM

The Chicago White Sox acquired veteran catcher Sandy Alomar Jr. from the Los Angeles Dodgers for minor league pitcher B.J. LaMura on Sunday after designating backup Chris Widger for assignment.

metirish
Jul 24 2006 04:28 PM

ESPN is reporting that the White Sox are "extremely close" to trading for Soriano....

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2528494

Johnny Dickshot
Jul 25 2006 03:34 PM

Odalis Perez to Kansas City (!) for Elmer Dessens.


Dios Mio!


And I thought I had it bad!


I've been dropped from the O's rotation already!


See what I mean?


I wonder if this means the Mets deal is off.

Frayed Knot
Jul 28 2006 11:16 AM

Oooh, we got our first biggie:

ESPN.com's Keith Law (when did that happen?) reports:

The Milwaukee Brewers are trading slugger Carlos Lee to the Texas Rangers as part of a multi-player deal, ESPN.com learned Friday.

The Brewers are sending Lee, minor-league outfield prospect Nelson Cruz and a player to be named later to the Rangers for relief pitcher Francisco Cordero and outfielders Kevin Mench and Laynce Nix.

Both teams are checking for any medical issues before consummating the deal.

metirish
Jul 28 2006 11:27 AM

Damn if I were Lee at the least I would have hoped to get traded to a better team than the Rangers..

sharpie
Jul 28 2006 11:32 AM

Not a bad deal for the Brewers considering Lee turned down their offer and would've left as a free agent.

TransMonk
Jul 28 2006 11:42 AM

Milwaukee really should have made a decision earlier about this. If they would have offered the same contact to Lee a month ago or earlier, I think they may have been able to keep him.

Milwaukee fans will not be happy with this. On the one hand, their team finally ponied up with a sizable offer to their big time slugger...yet it still ends up not being enough and he's traded lesser impact players.

Vic Sage
Jul 28 2006 11:43 AM

i guess this'll help Texas make a run at the weak AL West (they're .500 and only 2 games back of Oakland), but whats the point? Its not like they're good enough, even with Lee, to beat ChiSox, Tigers, BoSox or Yanks. And then Lee can walk away after the season, and Texas has given away 3 players for a shot at a Division title only. Unless they think this'll put them in a substantially better position to re-sign Lee... then, of course, its worth doing because Lee is more valuable than the package Texas gave up for him.

MFS62
Jul 28 2006 11:46 AM

]Its not like they're good enough, even with Lee, to beat ChiSox, Tigers, BoSox or Yanks.


Especially since they gave up their most menacing setup guy - Cordero throws 98+ MPH heat.

Later

smg58
Jul 28 2006 01:55 PM

But the Rangers get the best player and a really good prospect out of it. Cruz and Corey Hart would probably make a better outfield tandem for the Brewers next year than Nix and Mench. And if it puts the Rangers over the top in the AL West, why wouldn't it be worth it? Maybe the Rangers are giving up prospects that are better than Cruz, but to me this looks wonderful for Texas and puzzling for Milwaukee.

metirish
Jul 28 2006 02:00 PM

Brewers fans don't get it either...

http://p092.ezboard.com/fbrewersfandemoniumfrm3.showMessage?topicID=12548.topic

Johnny Dickshot
Jul 28 2006 02:04 PM

I dunno. A buncha major leaguers for 1 major leaguer, might work out. Not like the Brewers appear to have left themselves alotta room to maneuver. Certainly a better deal than say the MFYs might put together, yes?

metirish
Jul 28 2006 02:08 PM

The guys over at the brewers forum seem to think(hope) that Melvin will spin Mench and Nix in another trade, they are talking about some prospects from the Twins.

MFS62
Jul 28 2006 02:22 PM

Another team that really needs major league proven hitting is the Halos. And from what I've heard they have lots of prospects to give up in order to get it.

The Twins have hit .300+ as a team during their recent hot streak.

Later

Frayed Knot
Jul 28 2006 02:27 PM

Lee, though a dangerous hitter, just turned 30 and is already a DH-in-waiting. I'm skeptical of those big-bodied types as they get older and am not so sure that the BrewCrew didn't dodge a bullet when he turned down their multi-year deal - especially seeing as how they've got a 'Prince' of a younger/cheaper/lefthanded version of him already on the team.

metirish
Jul 28 2006 02:30 PM

From reading the Brewers board most fans seem pissed that Melvin included Cruz, apparently he was a top prospect.

Frayed Knot
Jul 28 2006 03:18 PM

From BA:
Nelson Cruz' hot hitting was not enough to keep him in the Brewers organization. The Triple-A Nashville outfielder hit his 20th home run in his final game for Nashville, which moved him within four of the PCL lead. Cruz, 26, was hitting .323 in July, with hits in all but five games. For the season, 302/.378/.528 with 17 stolen bases.

The biggest caveat there is that he's already 26.
Not too late to have a good career certainly, but a bit old for 'top prospect' status.

Edgy DC
Jul 28 2006 09:53 PM

The Washington Nationals acquired RHP Shairon Martis from San Francisco in exchange for LHP Mike Stanton.

Stanton, it seems to me, is like the official spokesman for deadline deals.

TransMonk
Jul 28 2006 10:56 PM

Brewers get 3B David Bell from Philly for RHP Wilfrido Laureano.

[url]http://milwaukee.brewers.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060728&content_id=1580362&vkey=news_mil&fext=.jsp&c_id=mil[/url]

Almost makes up for the one-sided (but not lopsided) trade they made earlier today.

Zvon
Jul 28 2006 11:01 PM

Wow- Braves delt Wilson Betemit to the Dodgers!
I guess that happened the second after the third out tonight.

How about that Edgy!?
They traded him!

Frayed Knot
Jul 28 2006 11:02 PM

I had heard rumors of his being dealt but figured Chipper's injury might put an end to that. Wrong again!!!

To the Dodgers for Denys Baez and someone else.

Zvon
Jul 28 2006 11:16 PM

Frayed Knot wrote:
I had heard rumors of his being dealt but figured Chipper's injury might put an end to that. Wrong again!!!

To the Dodgers for Denys Baez and someone else.


Edge was just sayin that in the IGT and I thought he was spot on in the analysis.

Willie Aybar is part of that deal.
Eww--I dont like the news that the Braves now have Baez.

Frayed Knot
Jul 28 2006 11:29 PM

Baez hasn't been all that good this year and Betemit seemed to be getting good after failing to live up to his early promise for a while. I'm surprised the Braves chose now to deal him.
Some rumors had him winding up with the Yanquis so I guess it's not as bad as it could have been.

Zvon
Jul 28 2006 11:35 PM

Aybar was probly the clincher there- he plays 3rd.
I wonder if the Chipper injury had the opposite effect on Betemits security on the Braves. I wonder if that hastened the deal.

Frayed Knot
Jul 28 2006 11:37 PM

Phils send David Bell to Milwaukee for a minor league pitcher.
Boy did that FA signing turn out to be a dud for Philly.

Edgy DC
Jul 29 2006 12:31 PM

Spot on and dead-wrong.

Aybar, I guess, is the new thirdbaseman, but I'm not impressed.

GYC
Jul 30 2006 01:58 PM

ESPN reports Abreu, Lidle officially to Yankees; no word on for what, but speculation says CJ Henry and Steven White.

GYC
Jul 30 2006 02:02 PM

Here we go:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2534459

Sunday, July 30, 2006
Yankees have tentative deal for Abreu, Lidle

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ESPN.com news services

The Philadelphia Phillies and New York Yankees have a tentative deal to send Phillies right fiedler Bobby Abreu and pitcher Cory Lidle to New York ESPN.com's Buster Olney reported Sunday.

ESPN.com's Jayson Stark reported the Yankees will send 18-year-old minor-league shrotstop C.J. Henry -- their No. 1 pick in 2005 -- and 27-year-old left-handed reliever Matt Smith. The Phillies will also pick one other minor-leauge player from an agreed-upon list, while the Yankees will take on responsibility for Abreu and Lidle's contracts.

Abreu is hitting .277 with 8 home runs and 65 RBI in 99 games. He has a career batting average of .301 with 198 home runs and 841 RBI over 10 seasons.

Lidle, a right-hander, is 8-7 with a 4.74 ERA in 21 starts in 2006. In eight seasons he has a career mark of 78-69 with a 4.54 ERA.

Abreu was in the Phillies' starting lineup Sunday but was pulled for Shane Victorino 10 minutes before their game with the Florida Marlins.

Zvon
Jul 30 2006 05:37 PM

So the Skanks get Abreu.
This is big news round here.

Id have rather seen Burrell go to the A.L.
And I think he's a weaker link for the Phils--but Abreus the one everyone wanted.

The Phillies get left-hander Matt Smith and Class A shortstop C.J. Henry -- a first-round draft pick in 2005. They also landed rookie league catcher Jesus Sanchez and right-hander Carlos Monasterios.

This may end up being an excellent move by the Phils, sometime down the line.

I imagine Charlie Manuel will get the axe soon.

Frayed Knot
Jul 30 2006 05:55 PM

The odds of any of those guys being any other than useful parts is pretty slim.
Philly's main goal here was to dump out of Abreu's salary and between Bell, Thome & now Abreu they've dumped a lot - even though, you're right, they probably would have preferred to rid themselves of Burrell.

Now they need to spend that cash wisely, have some of their young pitching come through, ... and probably get a new manager.


I'm assuming that the Yanx picked up the Abreu option (he had the right to veto if not) meaning they'll overpay for him the next 2+ years but he'll simply replace Sheffield and that .400+ OBA in the midst of the rest of that lineup will add a lot of offense.
Lidle simply gives them a 4th/5th starter (buh-bye Sydney Ponson) for the rest of the year and then he's gone.

metirish
Jul 30 2006 06:03 PM

I'm sure Abreu is just happy to be out of Philly,he's not had a home run in 132 AB's,maybe this gets him going.I read that the yanks will assume all of his contract,so I suppose that means the option.

Frayed Knot
Jul 30 2006 06:09 PM

First MFY call I hear on WFAN:
'they should re-sign Sheffield for next year anyway and platoon him & Abreu'


It reminds me of when McGwire was dealt from Oaklnad to St Louis.
A Yanx fan was upset that his team didn't get him even though they had Tino playing well at the time plus several DH's (Straw, Raines, prolly others).
- 'But where you you play him?' asked the host
- 'Well, he could be our part-time DH against lefties!'

metirish
Jul 30 2006 06:11 PM

That's just so funny.....only a yankee fan could think like that.

From the Times...

]

Abreu has more than $4 million left on his contract this season, he will earn $15 million in 2007 and he has a $16 million option with a $2 million buyout in 2008. He needed to waive a no-trade clause, which he had indicated he would do to play in a major market like New York.

metirish
Jul 30 2006 07:10 PM

John Kruk thinks Sheffield should move to first base.

KC
Jul 30 2006 07:24 PM

Jeez, when did YES take over ESPN Baseball Tonight?

metirish
Jul 30 2006 07:40 PM

Ronnie Belliard to the Cards for Hector Luna.

Zvon
Jul 30 2006 07:52 PM

metirish wrote:
John Kruk thinks Sheffield should move to first base.


I saw this-but like they said on BB2Nite I think they are gonna have a problem with Sheffield over this.
Unless he is true to his word and really only wants to be a Yankee no matter what.
This is gonna be interesting.

Centerfield
Jul 30 2006 08:25 PM

MFY's gave up nothing. Since all they have to do is take on money (something they are happy to do), it looks like this deal is a steal for them.

Edgy DC
Jul 30 2006 08:32 PM

Hughes, Tabata, Duncan, and White. These are the names of the prospects we want to see the Yankees giving up.

I'd settle for Hughes.

metirish
Jul 30 2006 08:34 PM

Yeah it looks like a pure money deal for the Phillies, Gillick said today that he didn't think they could compete next year, Phillie fans will love to hear that.

Yancy Street Gang
Jul 30 2006 08:40 PM

Of course, if the Phillies get four good young prospects, we may regret it in the years to come.

metirish
Jul 30 2006 08:41 PM

True, I think one of the kids they got is 26.....not saying he can't make it to the bigs but time might be running out.

smg58
Jul 30 2006 10:16 PM

Yancy Street Gang wrote:
Of course, if the Phillies get four good young prospects, we may regret it in the years to come.


Only Henry was in minorleagueball.com's top 20 for the organization, and he's underachieving right now. It's a salary dump, pure and simple. I don't see Lidle as a difference maker, but Abreu brings another .400+ OBP to the Yankees and makes it that much harder to get through their lineup unscathed.

The Phillies might be able to make good use out of the money their freeing up though, so don't rule next year out for them.

Johnny Dickshot
Jul 30 2006 10:30 PM

Hard to figure how the Phils failed to reach the postseason even once while getting the best years of guys like Rolen, Burrell and Abreu and seeing the arrival of young studs like Rollins, Utley & Howard.

They needed a little more pitching, and probably, a better 3Bman and catcher, but with the payroll, stadium revenue and everything, I think it'll go down as one of the biggest missed opportunities of this decade.

I sure hope Abreu performs like the lazy fat guy we see occassionally, and not the guy who winds up with all those great stats at the end of the year, for the MFYs. And at the very least, that his arrival causes some kind of clubhouse uneasiness.

Lidle is the guy the MFYs so frequently seemed to beat when he was with Oakland.

Edgy DC
Jul 30 2006 10:55 PM

Maybe if the Phils had hung onto Schilling and made a franchise player out of him, the two championships he's since been a part of might have been Philly championships. I doubt it, but they've sure seem to have had less pitching than they thought they did.

For what it matters, they also have been a grousy bunch of guys for about two full roster turnovers.

Zvon
Jul 30 2006 11:14 PM

Edgy DC wrote:
Maybe if the Phils had hung onto Schilling and made a franchise player out of him, the two championships he's since been a part of might have been Philly championships. I doubt it, but they've sure seem to have had less pitching than they thought they did.


I dont doubt it.
And dont bring that up to a Philly fan unless you want to hear a person cry.

Nymr83
Jul 31 2006 12:03 AM

both Burrell and Abreu having gaudy offensive numbers but i've heard that they are both "afraid of the wall" defensively.

pitching has obviously been the main philly problem as many young guys they thought would pan out just didn't- Randy Wolf, Brandon Duckworth, Ryan Madson (as a starter) come to mind.

duan
Jul 31 2006 08:39 AM

i'm a little disappointed that IF he could be had for that, that we didn't have a look see. Abreu's just an OBP Monster. I know he's a hell of a lot more expensive then Nady you could have held on to Nady as 4th OF (with lots of abs)/1b and then decided who of Nady/Lastings to flip in the winter.

I'm also a little scared that Omar's gonna get all jumpy about the ubiquitous 'back pages', but that's tempered by the knowledge that they all have to be feeling pretty good about stomping all over the Braves over the weekend!!!

Johnny Dickshot
Jul 31 2006 08:54 AM

We can also hope Abreu's slugging % over his last 600 PAs (.424) indicates that he's hardly worth the $17 billion the MFYs are on the hook for.

Omar, according to Heyman, spent the time looking into Schmidt and Oswalt.

Elster88
Jul 31 2006 09:15 AM

What time is the deadline?

ScarletKnight41
Jul 31 2006 09:15 AM

4:00 pm

soupcan
Jul 31 2006 09:18 AM

2007:

Abreu - $15,000,000.00
Damon - $13,000,000.00
Matsui - $13,000,000.00

That's just the outfield.

Elster88
Jul 31 2006 09:19 AM

I think the left side of the infield will approach 50 million next year. Is Giambi's contract still running at around 18 too?

Iubitul
Jul 31 2006 09:20 AM

Johnny Dickshot wrote:
We can also hope Abreu's slugging % over his last 600 PAs (.424) indicates that he's hardly worth the $17 billion the MFYs are on the hook for.


Yes, but I fear that he'll be a "change of scenery" type of player, and go on an insane hot streak...

Elster88
Jul 31 2006 09:21 AM

I don't think the Abreu trade makes them that much better this year. I figured they were getting Matsui and Sheffield back anyway for the stretch run. Pitching is what they need.

It does make them much better for next year, though.

But Abreu is a lazy slob anyway. Imagine how good he'd be if he got in shape and actually cared? "He was born on third and thinks he hit a triple."

Yancy Street Gang
Jul 31 2006 09:25 AM

I don't know if an Abreu flop in the Bronx is likely, but it's certainly possible, and something to root for.

Johnny Dickshot
Jul 31 2006 09:27 AM

We also have to bank on Mystique and Aura being designated for assignment to make room for these guys.

Edgy DC
Jul 31 2006 09:35 AM

How much did the Sidney Ponson era set them back?

Rotblatt
Jul 31 2006 10:11 AM

This was a steal for the Yankees.

Ah, well.

I just hope that we can get a similar salary dump from Houston. Oswalt would make me mighty happy. I'd do Milledge & Heilman for him.

Frayed Knot
Jul 31 2006 10:13 AM

="Edgy DC"]How much did the Sidney Ponson era set them back?


Minimum wage. He's a non-factor at this point.




Reports have it that not only did the Yanx NOT guarantee Abreu's option year (2008), but that it was the Phils who paid him to waive his no-trade clause ($1.5mil).
I can understand why the Phils preferred to deal him - but this shows what happens when you decide that you have to make a trade. You've always got to be prepared to walk away from a bad deal and they clearly weren't. Cashman, meanwhile, lost a potential situational reliever plus 3 guys who are in Low-A ball. I had my problems with Abreu and he's def overpaid but it's not like he's fallen so far to the point where he's an addition-by-subtraction guy.

soupcan
Jul 31 2006 10:28 AM

I used to have a link to a site that had player contracts - how much, how long for each player, but somehow I lost it. Any one have a link to anything like that?

TransMonk
Jul 31 2006 10:41 AM

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2535130]Tigers get Pirates' 1B Casey for minor-leaguer[/url]

GYC
Jul 31 2006 10:48 AM

soupcan wrote:
I used to have a link to a site that had player contracts - how much, how long for each player, but somehow I lost it. Any one have a link to anything like that?

http://www.mlb4u.com/

soupcan
Jul 31 2006 10:50 AM

Merci beaucoup!

Yancy Street Gang
Jul 31 2006 10:55 AM

The soup of the day is French Onion.

cooby
Jul 31 2006 10:56 AM

Abreau is on my fantasy team too; I wouldn't mind if he heated up a little, until October.

soupcan
Jul 31 2006 11:16 AM

I may be off a little but for what is worth check this out:


Money guaranteed in 2007 to highest paid Yankees and Mets:

ARod - $27,000,000.00
Jeter - $19,000.000.00
Giambi - $18,000,000.00
Mussina - $17,000,000.00
Johnson - $16,000,000.00
Abreu - $15,500,000.00
Damon - $13,000,000.00
Matsui - $13,000,000.00
Rivera - $10,500,000.00
Posada - $9,000,000.00
[u:abaa3c4a0d]Pavano - $8,000,000.00[/u:abaa3c4a0d]
Total = $166,000,000.00


Delgado - $14,400,000.00
Martinez - $14,000,000.00
Beltran - $12,000,000.00
Wagner - $10,500,000.00
[u:abaa3c4a0d]LoDuca - $6,250,000.00[/u:abaa3c4a0d]
Total = $63,650,000.00


I don't remember what Glavine's deal is and of course there are other players under contract to these two teams for next year and we all know that the Yankee payroll is astronomical, but its just interesting looking at these numbers.

sharpie
Jul 31 2006 11:21 AM

Rheal Cormier to the Redlegs.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2535126

cooby
Jul 31 2006 11:22 AM

Phils cleaning house...

duan
Jul 31 2006 11:29 AM

TransMonk wrote:
[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2535130]Tigers get Pirates' 1B Casey for minor-leaguer[/url]


the 100% weirdest thing about that is that Shelton's been optioned to the minors to make room for Casey. Remember the hard time Pittsburgh got at the start of the year when he was mashing homers and he'd been grabbed from them in the Rule V draft?

Johnny Dickshot
Jul 31 2006 11:36 AM

Reds also get Kyle Lohse from the Twoins for a minor leaguer.

I think the Mets should go get Schmidt AND Oswalt. Why the the double hockeysticks not.

Edgy DC
Jul 31 2006 11:55 AM

Cincinnati can't load up enough on releif pitching. Let it go, guys.

duan
Jul 31 2006 11:57 AM
whatever about a Schmidt rental,

I'd be SO up for Roy Oswalt. SO up for him that you wouldn't believe. I'd happily part with Lastings if that were the price.

Elster88
Jul 31 2006 12:32 PM

Me too. But I'm trying to ignore that rumor as best I can. Keeping the hopes down as much as possible.

MFS62
Jul 31 2006 12:39 PM

Ed Coleman was on WFAN right before noon. He said Omar is talking to Houston about Oswalt, but nothing hot.
He said the best bet is that the Mets will go after a lefty bat for the bench, and don't look for anything else to happen that would be too significant.

But I have this feeling that Omar is looking to obtain Julio Lugo. Just a hunch.

The NY Daily News this morning also mentioned Roberto Hernandez might be a target.

Later

Edgy DC
Jul 31 2006 12:42 PM

A lefthanded power bat on the bench would be nice.

Robocop would only be needed if Heilman is dealt.

Elster88
Jul 31 2006 12:44 PM

Edgy DC wrote:
Robocop would only be needed if Heilman is dealt.


Agreed. He'd be fourth on the depth chart of righties, IMHO, if we added him to what we have now.

Rotblatt
Jul 31 2006 12:47 PM

Per Rotoworld:

]The Houston Chronicle's [url=http://blogs.chron.com/sportsjustice/archives/2006/07/oswalt_lidge_te.html]Richard Justice[/url] reports that Astros owner Drayton McLane has ordered GM Tim Purpura to trade Brad Lidge.

The Rangers are the team getting mentioned in connection with Lidge, but if he has to go, there will be more interested parties, starting with the Mets and Red Sox. The Astros could turn over closing duties to Dan Wheeler if they move Lidge.


If true, I wonder what it would take to get Lidge. He's having a rough season, but if we could straighten him out, man, we'd have a killer bullpen . . . And it'd allow us to put Heilman in the rotation (although I may be the only person who still wants to see that).

I'd think a B prospect would get it done, which I'd consider worth it.

metirish
Jul 31 2006 12:48 PM

I wonder if Jim Duqette will be making any deals today.

MFS62
Jul 31 2006 12:49 PM

metirish wrote:
I wonder if Jim Duqette will be making any deals today.


Only if Monty Hall yells "Jim, come on down!"

Later

Edgy DC
Jul 31 2006 12:50 PM

We have a killer bullpen. We don't need to make a project of straightening out a guy in the midst of a rough season in order to accomplish that.

Rotblatt
Jul 31 2006 01:01 PM

="Edgy DC"]We have a killer bullpen. We don't need to make a project of straightening out a guy in the midst of a rough season in order to accomplish that.


Yeah, I agree, but Billy ain't getting any younger, and having Lidge (circa 2005) sitting in the wings for the next few years would be pretty sweet.

It all depends on who we'd have to give up for him, though.

Frayed Knot
Jul 31 2006 01:03 PM

T minus 3 hours ... and so far my goal of having Liv-an left-off my roster is still intact.

Farmer Ted
Jul 31 2006 01:09 PM

Rob Neyer on the espn trade chat says "hey Omar, pull the trigger on Lastings for Oswalt." Or as Costanza would say, "those sonsabitches in Houston!"

Yancy Street Gang
Jul 31 2006 01:10 PM

Frayed Knot wrote:
T minus 3 hours ... and so far my goal of having Liv-an left-off my roster is still intact.


I think Livan is one of those guys who'd clear waivers in August, so don't breathe too big a sigh of relief at 4:01 this afternoon.

metirish
Jul 31 2006 01:30 PM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 31 2006 01:37 PM

I heard Gary say yesterday that a player with a no-trade clause can't be put on waivers.....strange..I think it was Gary although it could have been Steve Phillips.

Edit.

Elster88
Jul 31 2006 01:31 PM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 31 2006 01:40 PM

metirish wrote:
I heard Gary say yesterday that a player with a no-trade clause can't be put on waivers.....strange..I think it was Gary although it could have been Steve Phillips.


That kind of makes sense, because if someone can veto any trade, how is it fair to allow any team to pick him up on waivers.

metirish
Jul 31 2006 01:38 PM

Yeah very true..Elster edit that please.

MFS62
Jul 31 2006 01:40 PM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 31 2006 01:41 PM

FWIW, SF starter Jason Schmitt became a 10-5 guy as of last night.

Later

SteveJRogers
Jul 31 2006 01:41 PM

="Rotblatt"]
="Edgy DC"]We have a killer bullpen. We don't need to make a project of straightening out a guy in the midst of a rough season in order to accomplish that.


Yeah, I agree, but Billy ain't getting any younger, and having Lidge (circa 2005) sitting in the wings for the next few years would be pretty sweet.

It all depends on who we'd have to give up for him, though.


I'm not convinced Lidge isn't over the Pujols homer from last October. At least Benitez tended to let his postseason failure not effect him in April, Lidge seems to still have Pujols in his head

Rotblatt
Jul 31 2006 01:45 PM

All from Rotoworld:

Poor wittle Roggie is [url=http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2006/07/clemens_watch.html]sad[/url].

Awwwww.

Braves try to deal[url=http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/thebuzz/]Endruw[/url] to the Sox in exchange for a ridiculous number of good players.

metirish
Jul 31 2006 01:48 PM

The Red Wings sign Dominik Hasek....sorry wrong sort...

]

A source close to Clemens said today that Clemens would not ask to be traded even though his frustration level is through the roof following another rough day for the Astros, who blew a 5-1 lead and lost to the Diamondbacks 7-6 yesterday


I feel sorry for him......wanker

SteveJRogers
Jul 31 2006 01:53 PM

metirish wrote:
The Red Wings sign Dominik Hasek....sorry wrong sort...

]

A source close to Clemens said today that Clemens would not ask to be traded even though his frustration level is through the roof following another rough day for the Astros, who blew a 5-1 lead and lost to the Diamondbacks 7-6 yesterday


I feel sorry for him......wanker


Hope the return was worth it!

Iubitul
Jul 31 2006 01:53 PM

I would do the Oswalt deal - he has one more year of arbitration, and can file for Free Agancy at the end of 2007....

soupcan
Jul 31 2006 01:54 PM

Rotblatt wrote:
Braves try to deal[url=http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/thebuzz/]Endruw[/url] to the Sox in exchange for a ridiculous number of good players.


Wow. They wanted Lester AND Hansen.

Doesn't hurt to ask I guess.

metirish
Jul 31 2006 01:58 PM

I would think Boston getting Jones would make them WS faves,although the pen needs work.

Willets Point
Jul 31 2006 02:04 PM

You think Omar could swing a deal for Roger?

HahnSolo
Jul 31 2006 02:04 PM

He really could show he's the best CF in the game, what with that ballpark and Manny Ramirez and Willy Mo Pena surrounding him.

metirish
Jul 31 2006 02:05 PM

I'd do Heilman straight up for Clemens.....

metirish
Jul 31 2006 03:16 PM

The San Diego Padres have acquired infielder Todd Walker from the Chicago Cubs, Newsday has learned.

Walker, 33, hit .277 with six homers and 40 RBI for the Cubs this season.

Frayed Knot
Jul 31 2006 04:03 PM

Yanx deal Shawn Chacon to Pirates for Craig Wilson


Jeez, I wouldn't have minded Wilson here for a bench spot -- and why the hell would anyone trade anything for Chacon? He's been awful all year.
This is as bad as Cincy giving up TWO players (minor leaguers) for Tony Womack at the beginning of the season. They released Womack within weeks.

Rotblatt
Jul 31 2006 04:06 PM

Frayed Knot wrote:
Yanx deal Shawn Chacon to Pirates for Craig Wilson


That's the craziest shit I ever heard.

Cashman is raking these GMs over the goals.

No wonder the National League sucks this year. Their GMs are fucking retarded.

metirish
Jul 31 2006 04:06 PM

That seems like a terible deal for the Pirates, is Wilson making big money or something?

seawolf17
Jul 31 2006 04:07 PM

Credit Cashman; he made his team a lot better this year and gave up NOTHING to do it.

Edgy DC
Jul 31 2006 04:08 PM

HahnSolo wrote:
He really could show he's the best CF in the game, what with that ballpark and Manny Ramirez and Willy Mo Pena surrounding him.


He's not.

Regarding Wilson. I'd've liked him for a starting spot.

Yancy Street Gang
Jul 31 2006 04:09 PM

Yahoo.com reports that a Florida paper, The Sun Sentinel is reporting that the Marlins are going for Alfonso Soriano in the hope he can get them a wild card.

Remember how awful the Marlins looked back in April? It's amazing that they're as close to a playoff spot as they are this late in the season.

TransMonk
Jul 31 2006 04:10 PM

CBS says Maddux to Dodgers for Izturis...no details yet.

Yancy Street Gang
Jul 31 2006 04:13 PM

Boy, stuff is happenin' all over the place.

metirish
Jul 31 2006 04:14 PM

Soriano stays with the Nats.

Rotblatt
Jul 31 2006 04:17 PM

ESPN: Rangers receive Kip Wells for Jesse Chaves (RHP).

Never heard of him.

metirish
Jul 31 2006 04:18 PM

Jesus I'd hate to be a Pirates fan.

seawolf17
Jul 31 2006 04:19 PM

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=mlb&id=2535487]Matt Stairs[/url], one of my all-time favorites, to the Rangers for Joselo Diaz, who I think was a Met minor-leaguer once.

Gwreck
Jul 31 2006 04:26 PM

Lugo to LA. (Source: Russo on WFAN).

Edgy DC
Jul 31 2006 04:26 PM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 31 2006 04:31 PM

Craig Wilson still wearing his hair long? Because them days are gone.

seawolf17
Jul 31 2006 04:26 PM

Sportsline is reporting Greg Maddux to LA for Cesar Izturis.

Yancy Street Gang
Jul 31 2006 04:27 PM

Gwreck wrote:
Lugo to LA. (Source: Russo on WFAN).


Really?

This is an incredibly busy July 31.

cooby
Jul 31 2006 04:28 PM

="Edgy DC"]Craig Wilson still wearing his hair long? Because them days are gone.



Oh yeah, that's gotta hurt

seawolf17
Jul 31 2006 04:30 PM



Hippie!

seawolf17
Jul 31 2006 04:33 PM

The Colorado Rockies have acquired left-hander Jeremy Affeldt and right-hander Denny Bautista from the Kansas City Royals for infielder Ryan Shealy and right-hander Scott Dohmann.

Gwreck
Jul 31 2006 04:34 PM

Yancy Street Gang wrote:
="Gwreck"]Lugo to LA. (Source: Russo on WFAN).


Really?

This is an incredibly busy July 31.


Yep, for Joel Guzman. Lugo to play 2B at least until Kent is off the DL. Then they "figure it out."

HahnSolo
Jul 31 2006 04:35 PM

Red Sox standing pat? Somewhat surprising.

And no news yet on Soriano?

Yancy Street Gang
Jul 31 2006 04:45 PM

I can't imagine why the Nationals would keep Soriano. Are they just going to let him walk for a compensation pick? How foolish would that be?

Gwreck
Jul 31 2006 04:46 PM

Russo blew a gasket when talking to Brian Cashman on WFAN re the Abreu/Lidle deal. Cashman was seconds away from hanging up on him.

sharpie
Jul 31 2006 04:48 PM

]I can't imagine why the Nationals would keep Soriano. Are they just going to let him walk for a compensation pick? How foolish would that be?



Nats have money. Maybe they think they can re-sign him.

Rockin' Doc
Jul 31 2006 07:17 PM

Greg Maddux goes to the Dodgers for infielder Cesar Izturis.

Rockin' Doc
Jul 31 2006 07:28 PM

Julio Lugo goes to the Dodgers for minor league third baseman Joel Guzman and minor league outfielder Sergio Pedroza.

Lugo will play second base for the Dodgers while Kent is on the DL.

Guzman is expected to be assigned to (AAA) Durham Bulls while Pedroza will likely be sent to (A) Visalia of the Tampa Bay system..

metirish
Jul 31 2006 07:31 PM

Doc where have you been all day?

Rockin' Doc
Jul 31 2006 07:39 PM

I went ot the store for an hour or so and all hell broke loose. I guess I was still in shock to learn that Duaner Sanchez was lost for the season and Xavier Nady was sacrificed for a replacement in the pen.

NOt often I fall into the RMPL category, but it would definitely apply in this case.

metirish
Jul 31 2006 07:42 PM

I know how you feel, and here's another thing,when Omar was on the FAN he said when asked if Sanchez is gone for the year.." we have to wait and see if he needs surgery,if not he could be back"...I swear he said something like that...anyone else hear it?

Gwreck
Jul 31 2006 07:43 PM

metirish wrote:
I know how you feel, and here's another thing,when Omar was on the FAN he said when asked if Sanchez is gone for the year.." we have to wait and see if he needs surgery,if not he could be back"...I swear he said something like that...anyone else hear it?


No, that was correct.

According to Omar, he is "resting" and will be evaluated.

Omar went on to note that "if" he needs surgery, he "will be out for the year."

metirish
Jul 31 2006 07:44 PM

Ok cool because I thought I read he had surgery....

Edgy DC
Aug 09 2006 12:11 PM

The Reds-Nats deal is going from bad to worse for Cincinnati. Gary Majeski is on the DL and Reds GM Wayne Krivsky is insinuating that he was osld damaged goods.

Krivsky wants Nationals to explain 'undisclosed' injury
ASSOCIATED PRESS


GM Wayne Krivsky sought an explanation yesterday for why the Reds were unaware that reliever Gary Majewski had a sore shoulder when they acquired him from Washington.

The Reds didn't know that the right-hander had a cortisone injection in his shoulder before the All-Star break. Majewski was placed on the 15-day DL Monday after telling the team that his shoulder has bothered him since spring training.

A medical test found no serious injury.

"I'm still trying to figure out what's what here," Krivsky said. "I'm glad we have Gary Majewski, and I'm glad he's not hurt seriously. I'm disappointed he's not active."

Krivsky left a telephone message yesterday morning for Nationals GM Jim Bowden. Majewski and reliever Bill Bray were the keys in an eight-player deal on July 13 that sent outfielder Austin Kearns and SS Felipe Lopez to Washington.

"I did call him, and I have not heard back," Krivsky said before last night's game against St. Louis. "I just wanted to have a conversation."

Bowden said he was surprised by the controversy.

"I don't think they feel that way," Bowden said before a game against Florida. "If they did, I know one thing: Wayne Krivsky would call me directly.

"And our organization is always forthright honest in any transaction we make. ... I think that's just a media report."

Later last night, Bowden issued a statement saying he was "disappointed" by Krivsky's statement that he had tried to reach him about the trade.

"I never received either a call or a message from Wayne, but when I read his comments this evening, I called him and reminded him that the Cincinnati Reds had received all of the medical information they requested, both before and after the trade," Bowden's statement said. "It is also worth remembering that Gary pitched for us right up to the trade and has continued doing so for the Reds up until now."

Earlier, Krivsky had sidestepped questions about whether the team might file a grievance over the deal. He wouldn't rule out future trade discussions with the former Reds GM.

"I don't like eliminating teams," Krivsky said. "Hopefully people feel when they deal with us, they're dealing straight up.

"For me, your credibility is paramount, not only with (the media) but with other teams and the fans and your ownership. You lose your credibility, you're done in this business."

MFS62
Aug 09 2006 12:23 PM

Edgy, that gave me a Victor Zambrano flashback.
But after hearing that he was suffering sore arm prior to the deal, Mets fans were more vocal (publically, at least) than the Mets front office.

Later

metirish
Aug 09 2006 12:26 PM

So I suppose this is why the Reds picked up Ryan Franklin from the Phils the other day.

TransMonk
Aug 09 2006 02:53 PM

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2544668]Reds deal for outfielder Hollandsworth for stretch run[/url]

metirish
Aug 17 2006 11:46 AM

[url=http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2006/08/17/hinske_trade_struck/]Red Sox aquire Eric Hinske from Toronto[/url]

MFS62
Aug 17 2006 12:07 PM

metirish wrote:
[url=http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2006/08/17/hinske_trade_struck/]Red Sox aquire Eric Hinske from Toronto[/url]


Irish, the article states that the Red Sox have no official comment on the deal. Neither do the Jays. I heard from friends in Toronto who have told me that as of early this morning, the Jays' GM said "No comment" when asked about the deal.

So, we don't yet know if this was just a rumor or if there is a hold up over the player(s) involved or the amount of money the Jays will give Boston to take him.

Later

metirish
Aug 17 2006 12:09 PM

Well it says this...

]because last night the Sox struck a waiver deal with the Toronto Blue Jays for Eric Hinske,

MFS62
Aug 17 2006 12:13 PM

That could just mean they put in a claim for him. This is not the period for irrevocable waivers. Under baseball rules, if they can't come to agreement, the Jays can pull him back off waivers.
All I'm saying is wait and see.

Later

metirish
Aug 17 2006 12:31 PM

You're right 62,I shouldn't have posted that.

MFS62
Aug 17 2006 02:41 PM

Irish, looks like it is now official. (1;36 PM)
You got the scoop, young reporter.
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AjnhdrbXV8ufJS1D_v_NQl0RvLYF?slug=ap-bluejays-hinske&prov=ap&type=lgns

Later

OlerudOwned
Aug 20 2006 12:43 PM

Phils [url=http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/sports/15317581.htm]acquire[/url] Jamie Moyer for a couple-a A-ball arms.

Yancy Street Gang
Aug 28 2006 09:28 AM

And now Jeff Conine is also a Phillie.

MFS62
Aug 28 2006 09:52 AM

I really hope both the Cards and the Reds finish with better records than the Phillies. With the addition of Moyer (who is very tough the first few times you hit against him) the Phillies have enough lefty pitching to give the Met lineup fits.

Later

Yancy Street Gang
Aug 28 2006 10:24 AM

They seem to be the only team in the NL that can beat the Mets. I'd also prefer to see Philadelphia miss the playoffs.

That Ryan Howard is a monster, isn't he? I'd love to see Beltran win the MVP, but I think he's probably the third best candidate behind Howard and Pujols. (In that order.)

duan
Aug 28 2006 10:45 AM

you have to give Beltran a huge lift because he plays (extremely well) an up the middle defensive position and he's a fantastic base runner.

if the season ended today he'd be my MVP, but there's still another bunch of baseball to play.

If Howard keeps hammering the ball and the phillies get into the playoffs then I think he'll win on the "once they got rid of Bobby Abreu" bandwagon.

Johnny Dickshot
Aug 28 2006 10:49 AM

I also phear Philly, not the team itself so much as the fact that they've played us pretty well this year and we've certainly seem enough of them (we're 10-8 vs. 'em this year).

OTOH, if we're something bad to happen and the Phild get to the WS, it would be xtra sweet to have 'em beat the MFYs after the whole Abreu affair.

Yancy Street Gang
Aug 28 2006 10:54 AM

It's possible, though, that the Phillies have been playing over their heads a little bit. Will they look as good in October (if they get there) as they do in August?

Perhaps not. Of course, if they do get there, they'll have to have had a pretty good September, too, which would make them all the more phearsome.

I prefer to just roll over the Reds and the Padres in the first two rounds. And then play a team in the World Series that has a home park beyond the reach of the NYC subway system.

Johnny Dickshot
Aug 28 2006 10:56 AM

Me toodles.

duan
Aug 28 2006 11:18 AM

for the record I REALLY don't want the Phillies to win the wild card at all. I don't like their ability to put together nasty innings against us. Don't like it at ALL.

ScarletKnight41
Sep 02 2006 01:59 PM

This is post deadline, but [url=http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060901&content_id=1640253&vkey=news_phi&fext=.jsp&c_id=phi]the Phillies acquire Randall Simon[/url].

I always think of two things when I hear of Randall Simon -

1) He was the teammate to whom John Rocker once referred as being "a fat monkey." Simon seemed genuinely hurt by that remark; and

2) Simon's tripping of a sausage in Milwaukee in 2003, which caused a huge uproar.

As for the Phillies, it's not a bad acquisition - a bat off the bench for the stretch run.