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O'Neil becomes oldest pro player
metirish Jul 19 2006 01:44 PM |
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http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/ny-spbuck0719,0,4404693.story?coll=ny-sports-mezz
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Edgy DC Jul 19 2006 01:45 PM |
One of these days, one of these publicity stunt appearances is going to go kaboom in their faces.
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metirish Jul 19 2006 01:53 PM |
Yeah I was thinking the same thing while reading the article, I mean having a 94 year old swinging the bat sounds like a health hazard, was it in the Burns baseball series that O'Neill sang "take me out to the ballgame", whatever it was it was wonderful.
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SteveJRogers Jul 19 2006 01:54 PM |
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The blame lies directly with Bowie Kuhn, Bill Veeck and later Jerry Reinsdorf for their using Minnie Minoso in the 70's and 80's as a stunt to get Minnie the "most decades played in" record. Course Veeck and Finley did go to the Satchel Paige well one too many times so. I mean Finley even wanted to do a photo shoot of a young Catfish Hunter on Paige's lap for crying out loud!
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Yancy Street Gang Jul 19 2006 01:57 PM |
No, the blame goes to whoever decided to sign a 94-year-old to a one-day contract.
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MFS62 Jul 19 2006 02:04 PM |
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I think this was an extreme circumstance because they truly believe he got shafted by the HOF committee. Maybe he'll get in as one of those "long time contributors" since he was a major league coach as well as a scout. I didn't remember those things until I read them in this article. And I guess you could say that's what this was all about -reminding people of his many contributions to the game - not just as a player. Later
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TheOldMole Jul 19 2006 02:26 PM |
That's the thing about O'Neil. He may not be one of the greatest Negro Leaguers ever, but his contributions to baseball are incalculable. It's like saying Bob Hope doesn't deserve the Congressional Medal of Honor because he never wiped out a tank battalion.
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Edgy DC Jul 19 2006 02:35 PM Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Jul 20 2006 11:11 AM |
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They couldn't think of any way to complain besides this? I think it's more likely that they thought it was a fun idea --- it probably was --- and came up with the notion afterwards that it was a way to promote his enshrinement. I'd hope that, if he knew going in that it was about lobbying for his induction, that he'd have nothing to do with it. Do any of us have any idea if he was as good as or better ballplayer than, say, Judy Johnson or Ray Dandridge? I have no problem with people being enshrined for multiple-level contributions, and for merely being a great ambassador for the game.
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Nymr83 Jul 19 2006 04:26 PM |
i also have no problem with "general" enshrinements, provided that they are being enshrined for "overall contributions" or something other than a normal player, the plaque should be different, talking about their contributions to the game rather than trying to "make something out of nothing" with their on-field statistics
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TheOldMole Jul 19 2006 06:32 PM |
People who saw them say he wasn't.
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Edgy DC Jul 20 2006 09:42 AM |
And the best source of "peolple who've seen them" is probably him.
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MFS62 Jul 20 2006 10:14 AM |
But how do you classify Doubleday and Albert Spalding? Did they play? Did they own teams? But they're in the Hall. In what wing? What category?
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Edgy DC Jul 20 2006 10:19 AM |
Spalding played and managed, neither with great success. He also pretty much invented the Doubleday myth.
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Yancy Street Gang Jul 20 2006 10:22 AM |
I'm pretty sure Spaulding was a player. A pitcher, I think.
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Edgy DC Jul 20 2006 10:26 AM |
Dooubleday has no plaque. A.G. Spalding was the premier pitcher of the 1870s and an organizational genius during baseball's formative years. He led the league in pitching victories in each of his six full seasons in Organized baseball (1871 to 1876). His 47 victories led the '76 Chicago White Stockings to the first-ever National League championship. With the success of the sporting goods business he founded in 1876, Spalding left the playing field for an executive role with the White Stockings; as team president from 1882 to 1891, he directed the club to three pennants.Few top pitchers lasted past 30 in that era.
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SteveJRogers Jul 20 2006 10:42 AM |
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I was about to say. Spalding though is in there as a Contributor though, not as a player There is a Contributor in there though that has no business being there. Morgan Bulkeley. Essentially William Hulbert's figurehead of a superior in the first year of the NL's existance (sort of like Joe McDonald having the GM title on the early 80's Cardinals despite everyone knowing Whitey Herzog really was making all the moves) Baiscally the owner of the Hartford team and only spent one year as the first ever President of the NL. Hulbert took assumed the title the next year. Bulkeley went into the Hall with Ban Johnson in the early 1940's thanks to the Centennial Committee's wrongheaded logic that the first President had to have been some sort of trailblazer, they were correct about Johnson, but due to shoddy research of 60 years previous Bulkeley goes into the Hall and it took untill the 1990's for Hulbert to finally be recongized as the true first leader of the National League.
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Willets Point Jul 20 2006 11:08 AM |
Congrats to O'Neil, he's a good guy and I'm glad he got a chance to play again. Publicity stunt or no, I think it's all good, clean fun.
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seawolf17 Jul 20 2006 11:43 AM |
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You know, it's all fun and games until the 94-year-old leads off against Roger Clemens in a minor league rehab start and gets drilled between the numbers.
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Willets Point Jul 20 2006 01:24 PM |
Or goes 4-4 in a minor league stint against Jose Lima.
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