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Frayed Knot Jul 29 2006 10:25 AM

I was reminded that with the death of Jack Warden the other day that Jack Klugman (juror #5) is the last survivor of the "Twelve Angry Men". I remember hearing a trivia question a while ago where you had to list all 12 actors by their jury number and by their occupations - all of which were mentioned at some point during the movie. I confess that I don't know all the answers here myself but I bet we could piece it together. I'll start with: #1 (Jury Foreman) Martin Balsam - Football Coach Take it away (closed book please)!!

dgwphotography Jul 29 2006 02:43 PM

Programming note - 12 Angry Men is on TCM - NOW!!! I won't answer since I'm watching the movie now - this has the makings of a great thread.

Frayed Knot Jul 29 2006 03:00 PM

Good, then you can check and see if all the characters actually mention their jobs.

Vic Sage Jul 31 2006 10:06 AM

I LOVE this movie. This is what i recall: Martin Balsam - jury chairman John Fiedler - weasily little guy who kept changing his mind Lee J. Cobb - angry guy working out his grief over his dead son (businessman?) E.G. Marshall - intellectual guy with glasses (professional?) Jack Klugman - grew up in slums Jack Warden - obnoxious salesman; trying to get to a ballgame Henry Fonda - the conscience of the jury (architect?) Ed Begley - racist with a cold Robert Webber - dopey ad exec plus there was: - the old man (retired?) who supports Fonda - the immigrant watchmaker - the blue-collar guy who sticks up for the old man

Elster88 Jul 31 2006 10:14 AM Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Jul 31 2006 10:59 AM

Vic Sage wrote: Lee J. Cobb - angry guy working out his grief over his dead son (businessman?) Juror #3 Henry Fonda - the conscience of the jury (architect?) Juror #9 Vic Sage wrote: E.G. Marshall - intellectual guy with glasses (professional?) Juror #4 That's all I got. It's been a while.

SteveJRogers Jul 31 2006 10:16 AM

Vic Sage wrote: I LOVE this movie. This is what i recall: Martin Balsam - jury chairman John Fiedler - weasily little guy who kept changing his mind Lee J. Cobb - angry guy working out his grief over his dead son (businessman?) E.G. Marshall - intellectual guy with glasses (professional?) Jack Klugman - grew up in slums Jack Warden - obnoxious salesman; trying to get to a ballgame Henry Fonda - the conscience of the jury (architect?) Ed Begley - racist with a cold Robert Webber - dopey ad exec plus there was: - the old man (retired?) who supports Fonda - the immigrant watchmaker - the blue-collar guy who sticks up for the old man Why am I thinking Jack Lemmon was in it as well?

Edgy DC Jul 31 2006 10:17 AM

What makes this worth re-shooting and ripping off in countless movies and tv shows is that jury movies are great showcases for character actors. Only one guy --- be he Henry Fonda or John Cusack --- has to be deep, and the rest of them, all being obstacles that the protagonist has to get past, can all play it broad and have fun. How can you shoot such movies without Jack Klugmans. To this day, I think of Jack Klugman and think, "That guy knows how to use a knife."

SteveJRogers Jul 31 2006 10:19 AM

Because he was in the 1997 remake! Never mind... From the IMDB Martin Balsam John Fiedler Lee J. Cobb E.G. Marshall Jack Klugman Ed Binns Jack Warden Henry Fonda Joseph Sweeney Ed Begley George Voskovec Robert Webber

SteveJRogers Jul 31 2006 10:23 AM

Edgy DC wrote: What makes this worth re-shooting and ripping off in countless movies and tv shows is that jury movies are great showcases for character actors. Only one guy --- be he Henry Fonda or John Cusack --- has to be deep, and the rest of them, all being obstacles that the protagonist has to get past, can all play it broad and have fun. How can you shoot such movies without Jack Klugmans. To this day, I think of Jack Klugman and think, "That guy knows how to use a knife." Also this movie is probably hated by countless of cops and DAs across the countries through the years. Granted it turns out to be the correct decision (apparantly, but I'd love to see the DA's face in the courtroom "All that because a guy was upset over the death of his son?") but thanks to this kind of movie every hack juror is probably thinking "There has got to be one sliver of doubt here..."

Vic Sage Jul 31 2006 10:23 AM

Why am I thinking Jack Lemmon was in it as well? that was the TV remake about 10 years ago. Lemmon played the Fonda part, and it had Hume Cronyn as the old man, and George C. Scott in the Lee J. Cobb role. and the 2 "Tony"s... Danza and Soprano.

Elster88 Jul 31 2006 10:24 AM

SteveJRogers wrote: Because he was in the 1997 remake! Never mind... From the IMDB Martin Balsam John Fiedler Lee J. Cobb E.G. Marshall Jack Klugman Ed Binns Jack Warden Henry Fonda Joseph Sweeney Ed Begley George Voskovec Robert Webber So much for closed book. Way to go.

Vic Sage Jul 31 2006 10:30 AM

Also this movie is probably hated by countless of cops and DAs across the countries through the years. Granted it turns out to be the correct decision (apparantly, but I'd love to see the DA's face in the courtroom "All that because a guy was upset over the death of his son?") but thanks to this kind of movie every hack juror is probably thinking "There has got to be one sliver of doubt here..." this is a moronic thing to say. The jury is the last failsafe in our judicial system to try and get justice in a system that favors the wealthy. The movie offers at least a possibility for weighing rationality, compassion and fairness over irrationality, hatred, bigotry and everything else human beings bring into a jury room with them. It says to people who may one day be on a jury that "you have a duty to rise above both YOUR pettiness and OUR inequities, to try and reach a just result". If that upsets DAs and cops, then they're in the wrong business. And conviction rates are extremely high, despite high-profile celebrity acquittals, so they usually get their man. The notion that there are juries running wild out there is just such complete utter nonsense.

SteveJRogers Jul 31 2006 10:34 AM

Vic Sage wrote: Also this movie is probably hated by countless of cops and DAs across the countries through the years. Granted it turns out to be the correct decision (apparantly, but I'd love to see the DA's face in the courtroom "All that because a guy was upset over the death of his son?") but thanks to this kind of movie every hack juror is probably thinking "There has got to be one sliver of doubt here..." this is a moronic thing to say. The jury is the last failsafe in our judicial system to try and get justice in a system that favors the wealthy. The movie offers at least a possibility for weighing rationality, compassion and fairness over irrationality, hatred, bigotry and everything else human beings bring into a jury room with them. It says to people who may one day be on a jury that "you have a duty to rise above both YOUR pettiness and OUR inequities, to try and reach a just result". If that upsets DAs and cops, then they're in the wrong business. And conviction rates are extremely high, despite high-profile celebrity acquittals, so they usually get their man. The notion that there are juries running wild out there is just such complete utter nonsense. Fair enough. Popular opinion though is that juries are filled with those too stupid not to be able to get out of jury duty, so thats probably all it is, popular opinion then.

Elster88 Jul 31 2006 10:35 AM

SteveJRogers wrote: Popular opinion though is.... Again?

Edgy DC Jul 31 2006 10:38 AM

I don't get out of jury duty, and I'm fucking brilliant. My opinion is that juries often have people too unselfish to get out of jury duty.

SteveJRogers Jul 31 2006 10:45 AM

Edgy DC wrote: I don't get out of jury duty, and I'm fucking brilliant. My opinion is that juries often have people too unselfish to get out of jury duty. True, probably too many people use the "I'd lock them up no matter what!" answer when asked about the circumstances of a case rather than say safe things like "Well I'd have to know all the facts of the case" even if its a open and shut case

Edgy DC Jul 31 2006 10:47 AM

I think once you get them downtown to the courthouse, the typical person is more consicenscious than that about the gravity of rendering justice.

SteveJRogers Jul 31 2006 10:53 AM

Edgy DC wrote: I think once you get them downtown to the courthouse, the typical person is more consicenscious than that about the gravity of rendering justice. Fair enough. I guess no one is pulling a Larry David (from CYE couple of years ago pulling the Seinfeld card and the "I hate minorities" card) or a situation I heard where a woman actually said she'd lock someone up if they got arrested on any drug charge (a suburb court)

Elster88 Jul 31 2006 10:55 AM

I was on jury duty once, for a week-long criminal case of First Degree Assault (not sure if that was the charge, but it was whatever one is defined as "the person under attack could've died"). I was absolutely horrified by the experience. At one point, one of the jurors said during our deliberations (out loud and verbatim) "Oh Jesus, please don't let me send this poor boy to jail." I have no faith in the jury system since that case, which isn't really fair since it's such a small sample size. But it is how I feel these days. I was further horrified watching TV following the Jayson Williams acquittal. This one is not verbatim, but pretty darn close "I thought he did it, but I voted not guilty because he seemed like he was sorry for what he did."

Frayed Knot Jul 31 2006 10:58 AM

I LOVE this movie. Is there anyone who doesn't? This is what i recall: Martin Balsam - jury chairman And, as I mentioned, a HS football coach John Fiedler - weasily little guy who kept changing his mind #2 - An accountant or some other clerk-type guy Lee J. Cobb - angry guy working out his grief over his dead son (businessman?) #3 - he ran a messenger company. At one point he gives his card to one of the others E.G. Marshall - intellectual guy with glasses (professional?) #4 - Stockbroker Jack Klugman - grew up in slums #5 - Not sure if his job was metioned (although the quiz I remember claims they all were) Jack Warden - obnoxious salesman; trying to get to a ballgame #7 - salesman is, I believe, correct Henry Fonda - the conscience of the jury (architect?) #8 - Architect indeed Ed Begley - racist with a cold #10? - That's Ed Begley Sr of course, don't know the occupation Robert Webber - dopey ad exec #12 - Ad exec plus there was: - the old man (retired?) who supports Fonda #9 - I assume retired is correct the immigrant watchmaker #11 - the blue-collar guy who sticks up for the old man #6 - Edward Binns was the actor. Worked as a painter or laborer of some sort. Wasn't used to making decisions.

Edgy DC Jul 31 2006 11:00 AM

I try not to judge people broadly by how they behave in HBO comedies.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 31 2006 11:18 AM

I was thinking about opening a closed book thread in the Baseball Forum, but I figured that somebody (ahem) would eagerly post the full answers. Now I read this thread and I see that my suspicion was accurate and warranted. Maybe I'll give it a shot anyway.

SteveJRogers Jul 31 2006 11:19 AM

Yancy Street Gang wrote: I was thinking about opening a closed book thread in the Baseball Forum, but I figured that somebody (ahem) would eagerly post the full answers. Now I read this thread and I see that my suspicion was accurate and warranted. Maybe I'll give it a shot anyway. Hey I just posted the names of the actors Watch it Ben...err Reed

Edgy DC Jul 31 2006 11:35 AM

Hey I just posted the names of the actors Which unequivocally disregarded what the questioner asked you not to do.

SteveJRogers Jul 31 2006 11:38 AM

Edgy DC wrote: Hey I just posted the names of the actors Which unequivocally disregarded what the questioner asked you not to do. Ah, I thought most of them had allready been given. Again I need to RMPL

Benjamin Grimm Jul 31 2006 11:42 AM

Especially the PL part.