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Willets Point
Jul 26 2006 10:41 AM

With the World Cup thread fading to the archives, here's a new start to discussion of my third-favorite spectator sport. Here's the old soccer thread for reference purposes.



A Guardian writer makes the case for gender equality in sports.

Elster88
Jul 26 2006 12:24 PM

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/060719]The Sports Guy[/url] picks a team.

Johnny Dickshot
Jul 26 2006 01:50 PM

That Sports Guy is all right. Was hoping he picked West Ham.

Willets Point
Jul 26 2006 01:54 PM

My randomly picked favorite EPL team is Everton merely because a guy in the pub in Liverpool said I should support them. A lot less work than the Sports Guy and the beer was good too.

ScarletKnight41
Jul 26 2006 01:57 PM

Manchester City is the most Mets-like team to me.

Elster88
Jul 26 2006 03:50 PM

]that it's serviceable TV fodder in the mornings when I'm answering e-mails and reading various Web sites.

My first instinct was to post this and say "Hey, nice life, buddy." Then I thought about what I did this morning.

Willets Point
Jul 30 2006 05:28 PM

ScarletKnight41 wrote:
Manchester City is the most Mets-like team to me.


Except that Manchester's a pit. They'd be more like a Cleveland Indians equivalent. The Mets should be matched with a team from London, England's most New York-like city. I suppose Arsenal would fit the bill since they have a Jose Reyes and play across town from a club that spends gajillions of dollars on players (Chelsea).

metirish
Jul 30 2006 05:31 PM

I've been thinking about this, Manchester United have dominated since the early 90's but before that is was Liverpool that won everything, they have won the most league titles but none in 15 yeras, maybe the Mets are like Everton the other Liverpool team, they last won the league in 1985, they have a very loyal fanbase and absolutly hate Liverpool.

Farmer Ted
Jul 31 2006 09:49 AM

Good to see Dickshot hasn't fallen off the West Ham bandwagon yet. Go Hammers!

metirish
Aug 14 2006 10:59 AM

Randy Lerner the owner of the Cleveland Browns has bought a controling interest in Aston Villa.

http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,,1844288,00.html

Willets Point
Aug 14 2006 11:02 AM

From what I understand, Villa fans were at the breaking point with ownership of the club. They'll probably find it bittersweet that an American is taking over.

metirish
Aug 14 2006 11:07 AM

At this stage they ill be happy that a person with money has bought the club,the last chairman was terrible, Deadly Doug was his nickname becasue he'd hire and fire coaches every year it seemed,Lerner being American has not caused any fuss so far.

MFS62
Aug 14 2006 11:13 AM

Tottenham Hotspur.
You can't beat that name.

]I've been thinking about this, Manchester United have dominated since the early 90's

That makes them sound like the Braves to me.

Later

Willets Point
Aug 14 2006 11:18 AM

Kind of like the Braves but with 7 more championships in the same period of time. I guess since the Premier league has no postseason, ManU can't lose in it.

metirish
Aug 14 2006 11:21 AM

A guide to the 06/07 season.

http://football.guardian.co.uk/season200607/0,,1840692,00.html

A Boy Named Seo
Aug 18 2006 10:32 PM

Happy Opening Day!

metirish
Aug 21 2006 07:05 PM

]

Glazers set to increase security after fans' attack on hotel

Daniel Taylor
Tuesday August 22, 2006
The Guardian


Malcolm Glazer's family are expected to review security arrangements after supporters attempted to confront them at a city-centre hotel after Sunday's game against Fulham. Riot police were called to disperse what is understood to have been a pre-planned, yet unsuccessful, attempt to attack Manchester United's owners by a 30-strong group five hours after the match at Old Trafford.
The incident occurred at the Victoria and Albert hotel close to Granada's studios after news had spread that Glazer's sons, Bryan and Avi, might have had rooms booked there. The police confirmed yesterday that hotel staff had rung 999 because of a threat of violence and that a fire alarm had been set off.

The hotel's guests had to be evacuated, with the supporters deliberately trying to force the Glazers out of what they thought were their rooms. Several police vans attended along with a fire crew, but it is not thought the Glazers were there at the time.

United are aware of the incident but have decided not to make any public comment. The Glazers have their own bodyguards and it is understood their security arrangements include making block bookings under different names at several hotels before the matches when they fly in from Florida.

The family also insists on travelling in cars with blacked-out windows, although Bryan Glazer stated earlier in the summer that they had now been "accepted" by United's fans.

That claim looks, at best, to be misguided, the latest incident proving that the hostility is as deep as it has ever been. Anti-Glazer graffiti has been daubed over Old Trafford and the people responsible for the latest security scare are believed to be affiliated to the so-called Manchester Education Committee, an unofficial fans' group that has let it be known it will resort to violence in its attempt to drive the Glazers out of the club.

metirish
Aug 29 2006 07:38 PM

http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,,1859991,00.html

What a bunch of wankers.

Willets Point
Aug 29 2006 07:53 PM

] It all went pear-shaped


That's a unique phrase I've never seen before.

Willets Point
Sep 01 2006 12:47 PM

UEFA Cracks Down on Imaginary Card Wavers.

metirish
Sep 01 2006 05:52 PM

Roy Keane - Legend...watch him chase the ref in this video.

Giant Squidlike Creature
Oct 03 2006 04:47 PM

Bump.

metirish
Oct 03 2006 06:36 PM

Glasgow Celtic beat Glasgow Rangers last week two to zip....go on the bhoys.

MFS62
Oct 05 2006 09:44 AM

]Beckham dismisses retirement claim

AFP
October 4, 2006
LONDON (AFP) - David Beckham's spokesman has dismissed a claim made by Real Madrid president Ramon Calderon that the former England captain will quit in two years.

And Calderon said Wednesday that he was confident the 31-year-old would extend his contract with the Spanish side which expires next year, despite not holding down a regular place on the team this season.

"As far as I know he has decided to retire in two years' time," Calderon told BBC Radio Five Live.

"It would be fantastic if he would stay with us for the next two years."

But a spokesman for Beckham said: "This is a complete surprise to us. No one has ever discussed a retirement date."

Calderon insisted that Beckham is still in the frame for Real coach Fabio Capello despite being restricted in the past few weeks to the substitutes' bench.

"We need him. He's playing very well. The coach trusts him. We hope everything will be arrived at in the next 15 to 20 days to sign the new contract," he said.

Calderon hinted that Beckham may head to the United States after leaving Madrid.

"I read somewhere that perhaps he's going to the States for a golden retirement," he said.

"I'm quite sure that nowadays a player at 34 or 35 can play easily. Especially him, who's a great professional, he's been training all his life.

"He does things in the right way. I imagine that if he wants, when he leaves Real Madrid, he can be anywhere in the world - in the States perhaps, why not back in England?"

Beckham moved to Real from Manchester United in 2003 in a deal worth 25 million pounds (46.8 million dollars, 36.7 million euros).

He would be free to negotiate with other clubs in January if he failed to agree a new contract with Real, who have have failed to win a major trophy in his three seasons in Spain.

Beckham was axed from the England team by new manager Steve McLaren following its World Cup flop.

But the midfielder says he is determined to force his way back into the squad, even if he doubts McClaren's public declaration that "the door is still open."

Willets Point
Oct 10 2006 12:11 PM

Jürgen Klinsmann gets a job offer from US Soccer!

metirish
Oct 29 2006 05:38 PM

Damn good game going on right now in DC ,Red Bull NY and DC are tied at 1 in the second leg of the Eastern Semi-Final..al square on aggregate.

metirish
Oct 29 2006 05:59 PM

DC pulls out the win in the 85th minute to take the series and move to the conference finals...great game of soccer and the atmosphere was electric...

metirish
Nov 09 2006 08:18 AM

I love these blogs on the Guardian.....

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/sport/2006/11/09/why_soccer_in_the_usa_is_here.html

metirish
Nov 09 2006 09:31 AM

[url=http://football.guardian.co.uk/breakingnews/feedstory/0,,-6203434,00.html]Freddie Adu to Manchester United?[/url]

Willets Point
Nov 12 2006 08:50 PM

metirish is ahead of me in reporting on Freddy Man AdU, so I'll just post that once again my MLS team the New England Revolution once again lost the cup final in extra time. If New Englanders cared about soccer the way they cared about baseball, there'd be talk of a curse.

metirish
Nov 17 2006 09:54 AM

]

Lincoln-based Greenback FC Under-10s have been making youthful waves of their own, by signing a sponsorship deal with Motörhead. "It was from a bizarre idea one evening. I sent an email off to them and they came back and said it was a great idea. They were totally up for it," explained the team manager Gary Weight, a former roadie. "I knew Lemmy years ago and for him, I think, the thought of a football team running out with the Motörhead logo made him chuckle a bit." The team now run out to the Ace of Spades and wear an all-black strip emblazoned with the band's skull logo. "They play better than I ever have!" laughed Lemmy, who, with the rest of the band, will join the youngsters for a team photograph ahead of their gig in Nottingham this Sunday.

metirish
Nov 17 2006 09:55 AM

]

Hungary and Real Madrid legend Ferenc Puskas has died aged 79 after a long battle against pneumonia.
Puskas, nicknamed the 'Galloping Major' after serving in the Hungarian army, had been in intensive care at a Budapest hospital for two months but had also been confined to hospital for six years with Alzheimer's disease. "The exact cause of death was cardiovascular and respiratory failure triggered by pneumonia," said his biographer Gyorgy Szollosi.

He led his country's 'Golden Team' of the early 1950s, and was part of the first foreign side to beat England at Wembley, winning 6-3 on 25 November 1953 in one of the game's most famous upsets. Puskas later took Spanish citizenship and became part of Real Madrid's all-conquering side, which claimed five successive European Cups between 1956 and 1960.

soupcan
Nov 21 2006 01:24 PM

So I go downstairs to get a sandwich (BLT on toasted rye) and as I'm waiting there is a TV tuned to ESPN2 which is showing a Man U. - Celtic game. No idea if it was live or not but if it was there was no score with either 27 minutes left or 27 minutes into the match. Don't know which. Anyway, I've got a coupla questions -

When did Vodafone stop sponsoring Man U. and AIG replace them? If I'm a Man U. fan that would bug the hell out of me. If you're a die-hard then you have to buy a new 'official' jersey every what - 4-5 years?

Is Celtic on the same level as Man U.? I thought that they and - is it the Rangers? - were a notch or two below the Man U.s and Aresenals of the world.

metirish
Nov 21 2006 01:34 PM

Vodavfone bailed out on it's contract last year,AIG started it's sponsorship this season,it's typical for a team to have a tag inside the jersey saying for how many seasons they will wear that one before changes are made to it,it's a terrible scam as teams change about every 3 seasons,and they would have three diferent jerseys so this years Man U Home/away and third kit are all different.....Celtic in terms of support are right up there with any team in the world,the problem is they play in the Scottish League which basically is won every year by either Celtic or Rangers, the other teams in the league are just not any good,put it this way,the bottom feeders in the English Premeir league would be better than their Scottish counterparts.

Willets Point
Nov 21 2006 02:30 PM

Has it ever been suggested that their be an all-Britain or all-UK league? I know the best Welsh teams already play in the English leagues. I don't see any reason for the top Scottish teams not to compete regularly with the top English teams. Well other than pride, separatism, and snobbishness but from a good football point of view there's no reason.

metirish
Nov 21 2006 02:36 PM

Celtic and Rangers made some noise a few years back about joining the English Premier league,neither the English FA or the Scottish FA were pleased by it,what would happen the scottish league if they bolted...

duan
Nov 22 2006 03:13 AM

Willets Point wrote:
Has it ever been suggested that their be an all-Britain or all-UK league? I know the best Welsh teams already play in the English leagues. I don't see any reason for the top Scottish teams not to compete regularly with the top English teams. Well other than pride, separatism, and snobbishness but from a good football point of view there's no reason.


I've got a very complicated european pyramid that I'm just WAITING for UEFA to pay me a gazillion Euro to implement.

metirish
Nov 22 2006 05:32 PM

Celtic 1 - Man Utd - 0

great goal from Nakamura

Willets Point
Nov 22 2006 07:43 PM

With a name like that I gather that Nakamura is not a Celtic Celtic, unless he's really "Knock" O'Mura.

By the way, how did a show tune like "You'll Never Walk Alone" become associated with Celtic FC. It just one of those delightfully odd things.

metirish
Nov 22 2006 08:49 PM

That song is more associated with Liverpool fans ,I think the guy is from Liverpool,but Celtic like Liverpool have a very heavey Irish fanbase/history.....Celtics song is "Fields if Anthenry".....great song.....

patona314
Nov 23 2006 05:47 AM

how many americans actually play in major european leagues?... sorry for the dumb question. are there any american stars?

MFS62
Nov 24 2006 04:56 PM

On the way out of a Borders bookstore today and noticed a book called "National Pastime". The subtitle was "Why Americans Play Baseball and the Rest of the World Plays Soccer".
I think the authors were named Syzmanski and Zimbalist.

It might be interesting for some of the soccer fans here to read it and let us know if they think the authors got it right.

Later

metirish
Nov 29 2006 06:38 PM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 29 2006 08:06 PM

Stupid title and an old cliche......some great goals here...


http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/sport/2006/11/29/welcome_to_sporting_nerdvana.html

Edgy DC
Nov 29 2006 08:03 PM

I don't see great goals, but rather a frilly pimped out Irish tricolor.

metirish
Nov 29 2006 08:05 PM

Damn..sorry..great goals here....

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/sport/2006/11/29/welcome_to_sporting_nerdvana.html

The George Best goal is just worth watching time and again....

metirish
Nov 30 2006 05:15 PM

Is this blog a wind-up?......I answered the guy.....

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/sport/2006/11/30/how_major_league_soccer_can_ge.html

metirish
Dec 06 2006 12:06 PM

]
A POINT ON NIL

"Do you know why the word 'nil' is used to mean 'no goals scored' in English football scores?" asks Stefan Henk.

We certainly do, Stefan. A glance at the Oxford English Dictionary reveals that the word in the English language is simply a contraction of the Latin word nihil, meaning nothing. It has been used in this form since at least 1550, but the first example of it being used in a footballing context doesn't come until March 7 1919, when it shows up in an Oxford University student magazine. "Will some one [sic] remove the jinx?" asks the author as he laments his college's recent on-pitch struggles. "On Friday, February 28, we lost to Oriel and Merton by 3 goals to nil."




Ok,cen someone please tell me why that [sic][ is there....every time I see it in articles I wonder why.

Nymr83
Dec 06 2006 01:25 PM

[sic] means there is a typo in the document you are quoting, you are putting [sic] there to maintain the author's work as-is without making it look like you are the idiot who put a typo in there.

Edgy DC
Dec 06 2006 01:42 PM

It's basically the Latin word for "thus," and editors and writers use it not just to suggest that the mistake their quoting isn't theirs, but simply that what apparently looks like a mistake is accurate, as if to soberly say "Yes, it is thus."

You can put it in a listing of scores. "Royals 16 Red Sox 0 (sic)."

Willets Point
Dec 06 2006 02:45 PM

And here I always though "sic" meant "spelled incorrectly."

Frayed Knot
Dec 06 2006 03:03 PM

Sic Semper Tyrannus -- Thus Always to Tyrants


That [u:0096ca8586]S[/u:0096ca8586]pelled [u:0096ca8586]I[/u:0096ca8586]n[u:0096ca8586]c[/u:0096ca8586]orrectly, or; [u:0096ca8586]s[/u:0096ca8586]pelling [u:0096ca8586]i[/u:0096ca8586]s [u:0096ca8586]c[/u:0096ca8586]orrect (as in, correct as shown) was just a way of remebering what it stood for rather than an actual origin.

metirish
Dec 06 2006 04:20 PM

Fasinating..thanks guys..

metirish
Dec 07 2006 11:58 AM

I've often wondered about this,how come soccer style chants and singing are not part of american sports.....

like at Glasgow Celtic they serenade Shunsuke Nakamura with.....

" He eats chow mein. He votes Sinn Fein"...stupid I know...gets better though..the same fans used to serenade Larrson with this

You are my Larsson, my only Larsson, you make me happy when times are grey....

Henrik breaks his leg.

Glasgow rangers fans retort back with

Yuor are my fracture, my double fracture, you make me happy when you can't play!

classic..

Gary Breen(think Joe McEwing) played for a few teams....to the tune of
Yellow Submarine the fans would sing

" we all dream of a team of Gary Breens.
a team of Gary Breens,a team of Gary Breens"

Man Utd fans at this time of year sing this at every game....tune -Band Aid Song

"Feed the scousers,
let them know it xmas time"

or for Sing Ju Park

Park, Park, Wherever you may be,
You eat dogs in your home country,
But it could be worse,
You could be Scouse,
Eating rats in your council house.


never happens at games here thogh,maybe because there are no away fans section?

Edgy DC
Dec 08 2006 07:55 AM

Klinsman and the Americans fail to reach a deal.

Willets Point
Dec 08 2006 09:22 AM

metirish wrote:
I've often wondered about this,how come soccer style chants and singing are not part of american sports.....


Me too. I remember turning on a game from the 1998 World Cup (the first time I saw an international game on tv) and tens of thousands of spectators were singing in unison. I thought that was just awesome. I guess you can find examples of that in American spectator sports from the past such as the Red Sox Royal Rooters and their song "Tessie" which they sang to annoy opposing batters (sometimes modifying the lyrics to target particular players). When the song was rewritten in 2004 by the Dropkick Murphys the leader of the band imagined it would be sung by the fans during rallies, but it's just played over the PA speaker instead.

The closest thing I've experienced are the fans of Cornell University's hockey team who have an incredibly coordinated series of chants and songs that their fans participate in during games. It's downright intimidating (especially when Cornell fans manage to outnumber home fans at a road game!). I've heard University of Michigan's hockey fans are similar, but otherwise I don't know of any examples of coordinated singing and chanting in the US on the level of European football.

Willets Point
Dec 08 2006 09:23 AM

Edgy DC wrote:
Klinsman and the Americans fail to reach a deal.


Pooh. Of course, it was probably just a pipe dream that one coach would turn the American side into a world soccer power.

metirish
Dec 11 2006 10:42 AM

West Ham United sacked their manager today....they took a hammering over the weekend at Bolton...4 - nil


http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,,1969645,00.html

A Boy Named Seo
Dec 11 2006 11:20 AM

West Ham may suck, their Frodo-led firm will kick your firm's ass.

So is Beckham coming to the US? Maybe. His contract with Real is set to expire this summer and the MLS Galaxy are reportedly hot and heavy to sign him and would be able to with the newly approved "Beckham Rule", where teams are allowed to sign one guy who doesn't count against the team's salary cap.

metirish
Dec 11 2006 11:38 AM

Mixed signals out of Spain on Beckham,on the one hand Capello doesn't see him as worthy of first team selection and the team is stalling on a new contract,then the Real President says last week that they want Becks for life...his missus spent last week in LA,the Brit tabloids saying she was house hunting.

Beckham would sure bring the MLS huge publicity,but he's a very one dimensional player,great at free kicks,I suspect that the casual fan that would tune in to watch him might expect him to be scoring goals at will...plsu the fact that Beckham has image rights on shirts and all that...how would that work over here I wonder.

A Boy Named Seo
Dec 11 2006 11:50 AM

LA Times reported that bit on Posh house-hunting, as well. I think it would create some kind of attendance surge here, but you're right, less so for his soccer abilities and more so for his rock starishness.

On another note, I've got the Fox Soccer Channel this year and love it. Yesterday's Arsenal/Chelsea match was outstanding with Arsenal pulling ahead 1-0 around the 80th minute and Chelsea tying it a few minutes later on a freaking scud missile fired from Michael Essien's right foot. Both sides missed chances to win it in the waning minutes, ending in a 1-1 draw, Arsenal probably happy to take a point from Stamford Bridge, but probably a little bummed since they were so close to stealing 3.

Despite all that, Jose Mourinho made claims that Arsenal weren't trying to win, were playing for a draw, and were in cahoots with Man U. to keep Chelsea down. The guy's a nutter.

[url=http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2002390000-2006570244,00.html]Jose Mourinho is a crackpot.[/url]

metirish
Dec 11 2006 11:57 AM

FSC is my fave,love watching Sky Sports at 7PM every night,yeah and the game yesterday was a cracker...it's what the english game is all about...Wenger had a right to be pissed off at the Chel$ki goal,Cole had fouled the Gunners player in the lead up to the goal,ever get a chance to listen to Sheffield United manger Neil Warnock,he's a riot.

Nick and Steve's football phone in is a laugh...

A Boy Named Seo
Dec 11 2006 02:58 PM

Sky Sports is great. The EPL coverage is awesome, and I love the tortured NFL coverage (something like "The Baltimore Ravens of the AFC North bettered the Chiefs of Kansas City by 20 points to 10"). Then cricket comes on and I have no idea what the hell they're talking about or what any of the numbers mean.

metirish
Dec 11 2006 07:45 PM

Yes I love the NFL round up,if you watch the scroll on the bottom you will see that they often have the team names wrong..the Detriot Tigers got beat by Green Bay....if you get a chance watch when they have two fans doing commentry on a game of the week...classic..

Freddie Adu traded to Real Salt Lake.

Edgy DC
Dec 11 2006 08:07 PM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 11 2006 08:10 PM

Good for him. There are so many Ghanaians in Utah.

Can there any doubt how counterproductive the salary cap has been to MLS? The league holds all contacts and "assigned" players to teams. How unethical is that?

metirish
Dec 11 2006 08:09 PM

Edgy DC wrote:
Good for him. There are so many Ghanaians in Utah.

Can there any doubt how counterproductive the salary cap has been to MLS?


By that I am guessing you mean that DC were tied to the Adu contract?.....IIRC he was the highest paid player on the team if not the league.

Edgy DC
Dec 11 2006 08:17 PM

Of course.

But he was signed not by United, but by MLS, not in order that he may lead his team to championships before shaving, but so that he may secure his American-ness by FIFA's standards and so be locked up for future World Cup play.

metirish
Dec 11 2006 08:19 PM

Edgy DC wrote:
Of course.

But he was signed not by United, but by MLS, not in order that he may lead his team to championships before shaving, but so that he may secure his American-ness by FIFA's standards and so be locked up for future World Cup play.


Great point,in a way I feel bad for the kid,if he were on a team in Europe he would not even be able to sign a pro contract because he's too young,but here he was 14 I think...

metirish
Jan 11 2007 08:43 AM

]

Beckham confirms LA Galaxy move


'I look forward to the new challenge of growing the world's most popular game in a country that is as passionate about its sport as my own'



Months of speculation over David Beckham's future have finally been resolved after he confirmed that he will join the LA Galaxy on a five-year deal worth £128m at the end of his Real Madrid contract this summer.
Beckham has fallen out of favour at Real this season under new coach Fabio Capello, and had previously been linked with a number of major English and European sides, including Bolton, Newcastle, Internazionale and AC Milan, as well as various Major League Soccer sides. As recently as yesterday Beckham's spokesman insisted he was still in talks over a new contract at Real, but today the player himself revealed he had agreed terms on a contract that will keep him with the Galaxy until he is 37.


"This week Real Madrid asked me to make a decision regarding my future and the offer to extend my contract for a further two seasons," said Beckham. "After discussing several options with my family and advisers to either stay here at Madrid or join other major British and European clubs, I have decided to join the Los Angeles Galaxy and play in the MLS from August this year.
"I would like to thank the supporters and people of Madrid who have made my family and I feel so welcome in my time here, making this an extremely difficult decision to make. I have enjoyed my time in Spain enormously and I am extremely grateful to the club for giving me the opportunity to play for such a great team and their amazing fans.

"I am proud to have played for two of the biggest clubs in football and I look forward to the new challenge of growing the world's most popular game in a country that is as passionate about its sport as my own. For the rest of this season I will continue to give 100% to my coach, team mates and fans as I believe Fabio Capello will bring this club and its supporters the success they truly deserve."

A move to America would not have been possible under previous MLS salary cap rules, which limited teams to an overall salary of about £1m per year, but a new designated player rule, already commonly known in America as "the Beckham rule", now allows each team to sign one player whose salary does not count towards that cap.






Holy crap....

Willets Point
Jan 11 2007 08:55 AM

Sounds like a good deal. Beckham gets to finish his career near Hollywood and MLS gets a superstar that will give them some credibility a la Pele for NASL. I don't know if I like the designated player rule though. Maybe as a temporary measure, but I think in a few years they should reevaluate it.

Edgy DC
Jan 11 2007 08:57 AM

MLS looking a little more like NASL.

Hopefully David won't end up like George Best.

Everything about MLS's player procurement and roster-building rules stinks.

metirish
Jan 11 2007 09:06 AM

The thing is that Beckham is not the type of player that will run rings around others like Best or Pele did,reports in the British media have the deal worth $250...crazy money.

Edgy DC
Jan 11 2007 09:11 AM

Neither Best nor Pele were running too many rings any more by the time they hit the NASL.

They were good players, but only shadows of their younger selves.

Highly paid shadows, but shadows nonetheless.

metirish
Jan 11 2007 09:18 AM

Fair point,I suppose my point is that Beckham at his best was never any where near what Best and Pele were,if Beckham were a baseball player he'd be a DH..he's a one dimensional player....

Willets Point
Jan 11 2007 09:18 AM

Lets hope they learned the lesson of NASL. That league was able to briefly gain legitimacy and a fan base before they overexpanded and collapsed in on themselves. The MLS hopefully will find a way to grow without killing themselves.

Willets Point
Jan 11 2007 09:38 AM

Another designated player on the way from Europe to the US, but this one is American. Claudio Reyna former US National Team captain is joining the New York MLS franchise.

duan
Jan 12 2007 03:11 AM

Willets Point wrote:
Sounds like a good deal. Beckham gets to finish his career near Hollywood and MLS gets a superstar that will give them some credibility a la Pele for NASL.


There's no credibility in signing David Beckham. He's a show pony that's lost his mane.

Johnny Dickshot
Jan 12 2007 04:51 AM

duan wrote:
="Willets Point"]Sounds like a good deal. Beckham gets to finish his career near Hollywood and MLS gets a superstar that will give them some credibility a la Pele for NASL.


There's no credibility in signing David Beckham. He's a show pony that's lost his mane.


Shhhh.

soupcan
Jan 12 2007 07:37 AM

The $250 mil includes endorsements.

Beckham was signed for publicity more than as a significant piece for a team trying to build a winner.

I think its a great move for the league. Gives them incredible publicity, generates interest, etc., etc.

The league probably made all their money back today if you consider how much all these international newspaper front pages are worth.

duan
Jan 12 2007 09:58 AM

"The league probably made all their money back today if you consider how much all these international newspaper front pages are worth."

only if your key marketing objective is to be a laughing stock.

Edgy DC
Jan 12 2007 10:12 AM

Point one: The NASL was a failure.

Point two: Leagues should not be signing players. Teams should.

I want MLS to survive because I enjoy soccer, but I don't like how they run it at all.

soupcan
Jan 12 2007 10:21 AM

="duan"]only if your key marketing objective is to be a laughing stock.


Maybe in Europe, but right now they're selling to Americans and what they need most is interest. This gets that for them.

Today, everybody in Europe and the U.S is talking about Beckham, the Galaxy, the MLS, the money, etc., etc. 'There's no such thing as bad publicity'

They've got everybody's attention now. Its what they do with all that attention from this point on that will be fascinating to watch and possibly make or break this league.

metirish
Jan 12 2007 10:41 AM

A typical article from Britain on Becks and I suppose Americans...

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,27-2543553,00.html

soupcan
Jan 12 2007 11:55 AM

Edgy DC wrote:
Point one: The NASL was a failure.

Point two: Leagues should not be signing players. Teams should.

I want MLS to survive because I enjoy soccer, but I don't like how they run it at all.


What MLS has going for it moreso than the NASL did is that they have the advantage of knowing how and why the NASL died. They are trying to get to where the NASL was at its peak and go from there. If they can get there and avoid the mistakes that were made then, I think this league could be huge. From what I've read the Galaxy seem to be the MLS version of the Cosmos. In my opinion this league is on the right track.

If you are just a soccer fan and want to watch good soccer played in college stadiums by players who were good college players then I can understand your disapproval with the way they are running the league. A league like that though won't make anybody any kind of significant money and whether you agree with it or not, that means that no one would be interested in starting or maintaining it.

However if you would like the U.S. to have a league that can play the level of soccer that Latin America and Europe play then you have to accept this move as a step toward that goal.

In order to get to that level the MLS needs revenue. Fans provide the money. To get the fans in, interest has to be generated. The signing of Beckham, if nothing else, generates interest.

Edgy DC
Jan 12 2007 12:02 PM

soupcan wrote:
However if you would like the U.S. to have a league that can play the level of soccer that Latin America and Europe play then you have to accept this move as a step toward that goal.

I don't think that's true.

soupcan
Jan 12 2007 12:12 PM

The good players go where the money is.

Edgy DC
Jan 12 2007 12:17 PM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 12 2007 01:11 PM

Or you grow good players, grow interest, grow money, and spend it on other good players, grow more interest. The TV contracts come with the demand.

As stated earlier, Beckham isn't so good any longer. You get a few curious names, get a TV contract, people sate their curosity, realize it's not what they're looking for, stop watching, and the league is overextended when the telecasters pull out.

You've got to build demand. And you've got to let the franchises operate independently in order to present true competition.

soupcan
Jan 12 2007 12:49 PM

Yeah, theoretically your way could work too.

But the good players you grow won't stay if they can get the same or better money elsewhere and play a higher caliber game.

This little domestic league is competing for players and dollars with top caliber leagues all over the world. The fans that live in this country don't have, and don't have to have, the patience to watch this league develop their own stars bit by bit, then watch them go overseas time and again before they are finally able to afford to keep their homegrown players at a rapid enough pace so that the actual game improves as well. Fans can turn on the TV and watch their favorite teams from leagues all over the world.

The NASL did great by importing players. As has been said several times in this thread, the problem was their too rapid expansion not their signings of international has-beens.

Again - I think the key is what they do once the Beckham factor takes hold and people start watching.

As to franchises operating independently - the WNBA has really been struggling as it tries to go in direction. The Charlotte franchise just recently folded I believe.

Edgy DC
Jan 12 2007 12:58 PM

The players moving on would bring the teams back transfer fee revenues, which could then be reinvested in securing a broader and deeper second-generation talent base. Or, better yet, they stick around and grow with the league if they believe in it's potential. Let them buy into the franchises like early baseball stars.

Oh, I think the signing of international has-beens hurts a lot. Among other things, they aren't worth much on the transfer market. They are what they is, overpriced novelty acts. Novelty wears off.

Build substance, not novelty.

Willets Point
Jan 12 2007 01:05 PM

I don't really think it's one or the other. Beckham joining the MLS in 2007 is a good thing. The other strategies Edgy suggests can be done concurrently. Then five-ten years from now the MLS may be signing stars in their prime.

metirish
Jan 12 2007 01:11 PM

Edgar Davids apparently on his way to FC Dallas...he was a more than good player in his day.

duan
Jan 15 2007 07:40 AM

and in fairness to Davids, he can still actually kick lumps outa people like the best of them. Whereas El Becks is a complete girl.

metirish
Jan 15 2007 07:27 PM

Sly Stallone was at thh Everton game over the weekend....

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Sylvester Stallone: 'Reading's goal was offside, or whatever'
Published: 15 January 2007


That was some experience. The whole day far exceeded my expectations but the cheer when I walked on to the pitch, given that I'm from another country and everything, was just incredible. It was easily the loudest cheer I have ever received.

But then the whole day was great. I knew a little about the city, of course, because of all the music. But it was the first time I had been there - and to go there and see a game was incredible.

I did not know Everton before this - in America you tend to only hear about three or four clubs, so I'd heard of Arsenal, of Manchester United and of Liverpool. Now I realise there are many other clubs in England, and especially what a great club Everton are, with their history and everything.

I went down into the locker room beforehand and met the players and the manager. If Everton have a couple more players - the spirit is there, and they fought back hard, especially given how the Reading goal was so questionable, being offside, or whatever. Although Reading played good as well, of course. I'd hoped it was going to be a six-point turnaround, but it was a great game. My man of the match? It would have to be Johnson.

I'm definitely going back. The weather was incredible - it was like Miami. And yes, I'm an Everton fan now.

Sylvester Stallone was talking to Ian Birrell

duan
Jan 16 2007 11:36 AM

what was much more worrying than Rocky's appearance was Kevin Doyle straining his hamstring. He'll only be out for 4 weeks though, so it's not a disaster AND it possibly increase the chances of the 18 year old wunderkid Anto Stokes (no relation - but he's actually friendly with my little brother) getting a call up.

That'd be 100% cool

metirish
Jan 16 2007 11:39 AM

Anto Stokes has to be a Dub with a name like that....fill us in on him....

duan
Jan 16 2007 01:04 PM

yup, he's from Lucan, went to templeogue college and goes out with a girl who was in my brothers class.

He's just signed for Sunderland for £2.5 mill from Arsenal at age 18, have been on loan at Falkirk in the SPL and scoring 16 goals in 14 appearances (give a take a goal or appearance or so).

He's a really nice lad, down to earth and 'a big favourite' in our house, not least cause we have his mobile number so we can send him good luck texts!!!

metirish
Jan 16 2007 01:13 PM

Now I remember hearing about him on FSC...apparently Roy Keane was a big factor in him choosing Sunderland...

Edgy DC
Jan 29 2007 09:18 AM

Here's a fun article from my local urban alternative weekly about Johan Cruyff's tenure in America:

Foreign Diplomat
When it comes to imported soccer talent, Johan Cruyff was tops.
By Dave McKenna

The MLS’ signing of David Beckham for silly money will likely trigger yet another run on old foreigners to boost soccer’s stateside appeal. The original Golden Oldies binge in America ended badly more than 20 years ago, but, locally, it had its moments—all thanks to Johan Cruyff.

Before the MLS, there was the NASL. In the late ’70s, the North American Soccer League decided the game’s survival in the New World depended on procuring aging international stars whose names were generally bigger than their talents by the time they arrived. That trend was kicked off by the New York Cosmos’ signing of Pelé in 1975. The team soon also brought in Euro talent including German striker Franz Beckenbauer and Italian Giorgio Chinaglia.

Before D.C. United, there were the Washington Diplomats, and the NASL’s superstar tsunami finally hit locally in 1980, when the Dips signed Cruyff. He had been wooed by the Cosmos for years and had even played a few exhibition games with the New Yorkers alongside Pelé, but he never joined the team as a full-time member. Gulf & Western, the corporate giant that eventually became Viacom, owned Madison Square Garden and had bought a controlling interest in the Diplomats after seeing what impact the Cosmos’ talent binge had done for that squad. It began courting Cruyff.

“Management of the team told me if I could get Cruyff, I should go get him,” says Gordon Bradley, the Diplomats’ coach from 1978 to 1980, from his winter home in Florida. “Whatever it takes.”

The Dips’ new management paid $1 million for the rights to Cruyff and another $1.5 million in salary. He was already a Dutch icon because of his heroics in World Cups with Holland and European Cups with Barcelona and Ajax. He made moves no player before him could execute; the most famous of which—a twisting feint that leaves a defender running one way and him the other, the way Allen Iverson’s crossover dribble once did—is still called the Cruyff Turn.

Cruyff had arrived in the United States in 1979 to play for the NASL’s Los Angeles Aztecs, but after one season, Cruyff bailed for the Dips and an outrageous amount of money for a soccer player in this country at that time—or now, even. (The MLS had a reported salary cap of less than $2 million per team for the 2006 season, more than a quarter-century after Cruyff’s windfall. And though of late it appears league officials enforce the cap rule about as loosely as NBA refs do edicts against traveling, it remains true that many D.C. United stars played for less than $30,000 last season.)

But Gulf & Western’s investment paid quick and obvious dividends. When Pelé signed with the Cosmos, the Diplomats were playing their home games in a football stadium at Woodson High School in Fairfax; his visit here in the summer of 1976 drew about 11,000 to the suburban campus. But when the Pelé-less Cosmos visited during Cruyff’s first year in uniform, RFK Stadium was the Dips’ home, and even that venue was too small.

“Johan Cruyff made us major-league,” says Carmine Marcantonio, a Diplomat midfielder from ’78 to ’80. “I remember when we played the Cosmos at RFK, with a crowd of around 55,000, and [Dips president] Steve Danzansky came into the dressing room at halftime, crying. He told us he never thought in his lifetime he’d see the day a soccer game would sell out RFK.”

Attendance for the year was up more than 62 percent from the previous season. Cruyff, though 33 years old and a chronic cigarette smoker—“He even smoked in the locker rooms at halftime, every game,” says Bradley—showed he was still capable of playing a different game than anybody else in the league.

“He was like a conductor, and we were his orchestra,” says Marcantonio. “He wasn’t like Pelé coming over—not being the player people remember. Cruyff could still do it all. There was incredible pressure on him not to ruin his reputation. He was aware people couldn’t do the things he could do. But he was the ultimate team guy, working as hard as anyone at practice, helping out everybody. The highlight of my career was sharing a field with him.”

Cruyff was named first-team All-NASL for 1980.

And when he was away from the field, he did community outreach: Cruyff did reports for the sports team on the local CBS affiliate, a job previously reserved for athletes who wore Redskins uniforms or were named Sugar Ray Leonard.

But even before the 1980 season was over, Gulf & Western realized that other cities weren’t going to throw money at players the way the Diplomats and Cosmos had, and thus the boom that the high-priced foreigners inspired in New York and D.C. wouldn’t be felt across North America. An exit in the first round of the playoffs didn’t help matters. Gulf & Western put the team up for sale, and when nobody met the asking price, the Diplomats folded. The Houston and Rochester, N.Y., franchises also dissolved.

“We knew this was fragile, the health of the league,” says Marcantonio. “We were playing too many games on artificial turf, on baseball diamonds, and on football pitches, not on fields meant for soccer. I guess North America wasn’t ready for major-league soccer at that time.”

But this city wasn’t without a pro soccer team—or Cruyff—for long. Before the 1981 season began, the Detroit Express moved here and changed its name to the Washington Diplomats, with owner Jimmy Hill hoping to take advantage of the fan base Cruyff and the Dips had built a year earlier. Cruyff had moved back to Europe and had agreed to play in Spain. But in the middle of the season, with the Express/Diplomats foundering, Hill threw all the team’s money into an offer to get Cruyff back to D.C. Cruyff took it.

“I remember the first day he showed up at practice after he came back,” says Jim Messemer, then the Dips’ backup goalie and only recently out of college. “The reverence for this guy was amazing. All our mouths were open. I’m a young guy. He was Johan Cruyff.”

To pay for Cruyff’s return, the owners sold team captain and NASL veteran midfielder Petar Baralic to Tulsa. Baralic refused to accept the transfer, however, and ultimately came back to the Diplomats roster. Baralic, who calls Cruyff the “best player ever to play the game,” has zero bitterness about the attempted sale.

“I understand that the team had to come up with money to pay him, but I wasn’t going to go anywhere,” says Baralic. “If you bring Cruyff, Maradona, or Pelé into today’s game, only Cruyff could play the way he used to, as fast and quick and strong as he was.”

Arriving in July, Cruyff stayed in Washington less than two months. But Messemer says he took full advantage of his brush with greatness.

“I would stay after practice every day with Johan, and he would practice penalty kicks,” Messemer says. “We’d do it for a long time—many, many kicks. I only touched one ball the entire season, and even that one went in the goal. Finally, I say, ‘Johan, what am I doing wrong?’ He told me he could see if I was just leaning in any way, and he would compensate to make sure I had no chance. I was a sponge for anything he’d say. For me, it was like God was talking from the mount.

“I still didn’t stop any,” he says.

Messemer also recalls talking to Cruyff, in between cigarettes, during halftime of a game at RFK against Toronto in August 1981. Cruyff pointed out that the Toronto goalie was playing up too far whenever the ball was at midfield, and so he had decided that on his first touch of the second half, he would be taking a shot.

“And after the half starts, Johan gets the ball, and from what had to be 60-plus yards, he kicks it over the goalkeeper’s head and into the net,” says Messemer, now living in the Bay Area and working in medical sales. “Right after he called it to me. The guy was a magician.” (The Washington Post reporter on the Diplomats’ beat in 1981, Michael Wilbon, only gave Cruyff credit for a strike of 40-plus yards.)

Just as the goalie couldn’t save Cruyff’s long shot, Cruyff couldn’t save the Diplomats or American professional soccer. The barely reincarnated Diplomats averaged only about 11,000 spectators that season and folded, along with six other NASL teams, at year’s end. The entire league went belly up after the 1984 season. Cruyff returned to Europe and after successful stints coaching Barcelona and Ajax, he founded the Johan Cruyff Welfare Foundation in Amsterdam. He was named Footballer of the Century by various soccer bodies in 1999. (Cruyff’s management in Luxembourg declined an interview request.)

Baralic now runs a soccer camp in Phoenix and shows videos of himself playing with and against Cruyff to campers. He also teaches students the Cruyff Turn.

“That’s the only move they’ve named after Johan Cruyff,” says Baralic. “If they named all the moves after him that should be named after him, kids would just get confused.”

Asked to compare Cruyff to America’s newest soccer import, Beckham, Baralic says there’s no point. But he offers one anyway.

“One was the best player in the world,” he says, “and the other is adored by little girls.”

—Dave McKenna

metirish
Jan 29 2007 09:46 AM

Good stuff,Franz Beckenbauer of course was a defender,although brillaint going forward,Cruyff is one of the all time greats,top five ever.....

Edgy DC
Jan 29 2007 10:11 AM

Yeah, they dropped that. Giorgio Chinaglia also wasn't a European star, which is why they were able to get him while he was young enough to star over here much more than the actual (but aged) Euro-stars.

duan
Feb 01 2007 09:51 AM

metirish wrote:
Good stuff,Franz Beckenbauer of course was a defender,although brillaint going forward,Cruyff is one of the all time greats,top five ever.....


Here's the thing, I agree with that statement BUT THEN I GO

whom I leaving out of my top 5 of Pele, Maradonna, Platini, Beckenbauer & Baresi ?

And that's with no Maldini & Moore or Puskas.

Who'd you reckon - I reckon if you pushing ONE of my 5 you go with Beckenbauer. I know people might suggest Baresi but was the best defender in the world for 10 years, played at the highest level till he was 37, won six serie A titles, 3 European cups and got bronze & silver medals at the world cup. (He has a winners medal from '82 but didn't actually play.).

Agh decisions, decisions, decisions.

Edgy DC
Feb 01 2007 10:00 AM

Diego's peak play didn't last too long, did it?

Willets Point
Feb 01 2007 10:02 AM

Edgy DC wrote:
Diego's peak play didn't last too long, did it?


Maybe, but what a peak.

metirish
Feb 01 2007 10:06 AM

I know what you mean,choosing a top 5 ever is no easy task and I would think most would only agree with 2 players for sure....my 5 for what that's worth

Pele
Maradonna
Zidane
Cruyff
Romario

I never even thought about Baresi untill you mentioned him,which I suppose could mean that defenders really don't get the respect they should in the conversation about the best all time...Maldini should be in that conversation....but in his prime what about Paul McGrath....and I don't just say McGrath because he's one of the most popular players Ireland ever produced....his former managers have said he's the best they every saw(Taylor and Big Ron),Alan Shearer has said no center half was tougher or read the game as good....infact if I remember correctly after Ireland beat Italy in 1994 Baggio was asked after the game why they lost...he said something along the lines of " McGrath was like a wall,he was just brilliant",he even waited for him in the tunnel to get his shirt...of course that could be just legend......

BTW..do you ever tune into this Dublin station

http://www.newstalk.ie/

metirish
Feb 03 2007 04:09 PM

A terrible day in Italy.....

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Italian football suspended after police fatality


George Chesterton
Saturday February 3, 2007
Guardian Unlimited


Football in Italy has been suspended indefinitely after a police officer died during fan violence at a Serie A match between two Sicilian teams last night. The action includes all Serie A and B matches and Italy's friendly with Romania scheduled for next Wednesday.
"I have demanded a stop to all activity of football in Italy," said the Italian football federation commissioner, Luca Pancalli, after an emergency meeting. "Enough is enough. It's a situation that I cannot speak of. To lose your life at 38 is incredible. This is not a sport. The football tournaments will remain suspended until we solve the violence in our football."

Rioting fans forced the Catania v Palermo match to be suspended in the 58th minute - with Palermo leading 1-0 - after tear-gas filled the Angelo Massimino stadium. The match restarted after about 30 minutes but the violence continued after the game, which Palermo won 2-1. According to reports the officer, named as Filippo Raciti, died after an explosive device struck him in the face outside the stadium. He was taken to hospital where he died from his injuries.
About 100 people were reported to be injured, some seriously, after fighting in the build-up to the game and throughout the evening, and after the final whistle the players and staff were held in the stadium by police while the area was secured.

"I am extremely disappointed. Things cannot continue like this," said the Palermo coach, Francesco Guidolin. "We had to go back to the changing rooms because we couldn't breathe. If we cannot get into our heads that football is a sport we cannot live in the world of football."

The Palermo president, Maurizio Zamparini, said: "This evening no one has won. We have all lost. These people are not fans but are delinquents that in other countries like England would have been arrested and seriously punished. We need more severe laws."






it looked like Belfast during the "troubles"......terrible.

[/list]

Edgy DC
Feb 03 2007 04:18 PM

Great move.

metirish
Feb 06 2007 06:19 AM

Not satisfied with giving out huge contracts in baseball Tom Hicks will now be doing tHe same at Liverpool FC...

]

Liverpool accept takeover offer


Stock exchange told that club have agreed terms 'of a recommended cash offer'


Liverpool have announced to the stock exchange they have agreed the terms "of a recommended cash offer" to be made by Kop Football Limited, the American consortium led by George Gillett Jr and Tom Hicks to buy the club.
"The offer is £5,000 in cash for each Liverpool share, valuing the issued share capital of Liverpool at approximately £174.1m," read the statement. "Together with the £44.8m of net debt in the club as at December 31 2006, this represents an enterprise value for Liverpool of £218.9m."


The statement also revealed the board "unanimously recommends" that shareholders accept the offer. "Kop is an English private limited company, which has been incorporated for the specific purpose of making the offer and which is ultimately jointly controlled by Mr George Gillett jnr and Mr Thomas O Hicks," it adds. "The board of Liverpool ... considers the terms of the offer to be fair and reasonable. The board of Liverpool unanimously recommends that Liverpool shareholders accept the offer."
The club's board also revealed key factors in their decision to accept the proposal, including Kop's intention to build the proposed new 60,000-seat stadium in Stanley Park "as soon as reasonably practicable", their commitment "to an annual budget for player transfers" and "their support of both the current executives and the football team management at Liverpool to provide stability to the club".

Hicks, who also owns the Texas Rangers baseball team, joined forces with Gillett to gazump rival bidders Dubai International Capital last week. A statement from the duo read: "Liverpool is a fantastic club with a remarkable history and a passionate fanbase. We fully acknowledge and appreciate the unique heritage and rich history of Liverpool and intend to respect this heritage in the future. The Hicks family and the Gillett family are extremely excited about continuing the club's legacy and tradition."

Meanwhile, Liverpool chairman David Moores has revealed that he will become the club's honorary life president. "I believe this is a great step forward for Liverpool, its shareholders and its fans," he said. "This club is my passion and forms a huge part of my life. After much careful consideration, I have agreed to sell my shares to assist in securing the investment needed for the new stadium and for the playing squad. I urge all my fellow shareholders to do the same and to support the offer. By doing so, I believe you will be backing the successful future of Liverpool football club. I am also delighted to accept the offer from the Hicks and Gillett families to continue my involvement in the club by becoming honorary life president."






duan
Feb 08 2007 04:19 AM

Edgy DC wrote:
Diego's peak play didn't last too long, did it?


Diego Maradonna
in the 1982 world cup
played very well for argentina in 5 games until getting sent off in Argentina's 3-1 defeat against Brazil. He was 22 and it was these performances (as well as those for Boca). that lead him to be being bought by Barcelona for a world record fee.

in the 1986 world cup
virtually single handedly (and in one particular incident that anyone Irish loved actually single handedly!) won the world cup for Argentina. The were a very average team, with only 3/4 genuine quality players.

in the 1990 world cup
dragged an even poorer Argentinien team to the final.

Club wise he was the key component of the below
" Napoli won their only Italian Championships (1986/87 and 1989/1990), a Coppa Italia (1987), a UEFA Cup (1989) and an Italian Supercup (1990). Napoli were also runners-up in the Italian Championship twice, in 1987/88 and 1988/89."

For the 80's and 1990, Maradonna was possibly the greatest player in the world (Platini being his only rival). His body started to fail him, riddled with cortisone and cocaine as patchwork remedies to physical injuries and mental weaknesses, at that point but don't say he didn't last long.

duan
Feb 08 2007 04:25 AM

metirish wrote:
I know what you mean,choosing a top 5 ever is no easy task and I would think most would only agree with 2 players for sure....my 5 for what that's worth

Pele
Maradonna
Zidane
Cruyff
Romario

I never even thought about Baresi untill you mentioned him,which I suppose could mean that defenders really don't get the respect they should in the conversation about the best all time...Maldini should be in that conversation....but in his prime what about Paul McGrath....and I don't just say McGrath because he's one of the most popular players Ireland ever produced....his former managers have said he's the best they every saw(Taylor and Big Ron),Alan Shearer has said no center half was tougher or read the game as good....infact if I remember correctly after Ireland beat Italy in 1994 Baggio was asked after the game why they lost...he said something along the lines of " McGrath was like a wall,he was just brilliant",he even waited for him in the tunnel to get his shirt...of course that could be just legend......

BTW..do you ever tune into this Dublin station

http://www.newstalk.ie/


I thought of Big Paul, he was a fantastic footballer, really fantastic. When he was fit & together he would wrestle that best defender in Europe mantle of Baresi & Maldini, it's just a pity his knees gave him such trouble.

I'm STILL NOT sure though if he was even Ireland's greatest player. I think Johnny Giles, Liam 'Chippy' Brady & Roy Keane all lay claim to that as well. I go through phases in thinking each of them were the greatest.

Edgy DC
Feb 08 2007 05:56 AM

The 1990 World Cup was a huge dissapointment. Argentina advanced by playing for ties, uncharacteristally for them, and a few times knocking teams out in penalties.

I don't think Maradona scored, did he? And I think he failed on at least one penalty kick.

Surprise star substitute Salvatore Schillachi and the emergence of Cameroon was the story. Maybe I was an unsophisticated viewer, but I was almost embarrassed by Argentina's advancement.

metirish
Feb 08 2007 07:17 AM

The 1990 WC was a terrible Cup, Maradonna did set up the goal that beat Brazil in the round of 16,a great run from his own half before setting up Claudio Caniggia for the games only goal,he missed the penalty against Yugoslavia in the quater final,the fianal was a terrible game.

Maradonna had a great career,his goal against England is what many consider the "goal of the century",and the "Rabona" was a trademark of his....great ,great player..
watch below for the "rabona"

MFS62
Feb 08 2007 07:36 AM

Soccer team valuations.
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2006/34/Income_1.html

Interesting.

There was also a chart in today's daily news that had them ranked by income, but I couldn't find it on-line.

Later

Edgy DC
Feb 08 2007 08:06 AM

Yeah, I can't take away his set up of Caniggia.

But the hours of boring football by him and everybody else leading up to that... yikes.

metirish
Feb 08 2007 08:11 AM

I'm not positive but IIRC it was after that Cup that they outlawed the blatent pass back to the "keeper,where he could just pick the ball up every time.

metirish
Feb 08 2007 08:53 PM

The talk outta Europe is that Zidane is close to signing for Red Bull NY,he was at the Knicks game last night......so you never know.

Willets Point
Feb 08 2007 09:00 PM

Makes sense. He's into ramming people with his head like bulls do.

metirish
Feb 08 2007 09:07 PM

It does make sence for NY though,Zidane could probably walk into any team in europe right now,which begs the question why would he want to play at MLS standard,Sky Sports said that the rumored deal will be worth millions to Zidane.

A Boy Named Seo
Feb 09 2007 09:36 AM

MFS62 wrote:
Soccer team valuations.
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2006/34/Income_1.html

Interesting.

There was also a chart in today's daily news that had them ranked by income, but I couldn't find it on-line.

Later


Neat to look at, but the data's almost 2 years old now. Bet Chelsea's value and revenues are way up while their debt is probably still nothing. Arsenal's value, revenue, and debt are probably up now that they're playing at the Emirates. For a little perspective, Liverpool's value is listed at $370 million dollars, while the rumored Dubai sale that fell through was for almost $900 mils. The Galaxy would have to crack this list now, no?

A Boy Named Seo
Feb 09 2007 10:20 AM

In another MLS attempt to globalize, the Colorado Rapids are supposed to announce today some kind of [url=http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=407740&cc=5901]partnership with Arsenal[/url]. As they're essentially becoming their American AA team, the Rapids are also rumored to be changing their team colors and their name to either "Arsenal Colorado" or "Colorado Arsenal", leaving soccer fans all over the world to wonder which name is gayer. NBA-D League team Anaheim Arsenal thinks the former is totally gayer.

Said the ever-quotable Arsenal Manager Arsene Wenger: "'We try to extend our brand. We try to extend our technical corporation as well because the Americans might produce some players at some stage and that's why we do it. It is not for a takeover. There are enough Americans in the league now."

Farmer Ted
Feb 09 2007 10:43 AM

The weird thing about the Colorado Arsenal/Arsenal Colorado is that the Rocky Mountain Arsenal was once located outside of Denver. It was chemical weapons plant before it was shut down due to environmental concerns. It was just short of Love Canal levels of toxins. They've been trying to clean that mess up since 1987 and turned into a wildlife refuge. I think that the club is trying to build a stadium near there.

metirish
Feb 09 2007 10:56 AM

Ted,that's great information,I'm going to use that when some bloke at the Guardian blogs about this partnership.

A Boy Named Seo
Feb 09 2007 04:28 PM

New look, same name, which is a good thing, I think.



Included in the partnership is a new tournament open to American clubs that will be called the Arsenal Cup, as well as the establishment of the prestigious "Arsenal Center of Excellence at Dick’s Sporting Goods Park".

That name doesn't really work.

metirish
Feb 15 2007 08:10 AM

Classic Nike ad.....

metirish
Feb 15 2007 08:21 AM

soccer tricks gone wrong.

duan
Feb 15 2007 09:00 AM

Edgy DC wrote:
Yeah, I can't take away his set up of Caniggia.

But the hours of boring football by him and everybody else leading up to that... yikes.


yeah but needs must and all that. They were a poor team that he and Caniggia were the only shining lights. the fact that they both like the nose candy didn't help and all, but they (Diego and Claudio) had style and the ability to win games.

Boring football's only boring if you don't have any personal investment in it. God help any neutral who sat through Ireland's 4 games before we played italy.

Edgy DC
Feb 15 2007 09:06 AM

Well, we Yanks usually lose our personal investment by the round of 16.

The Crane Pool Know Thy World Cup teams experiment worked pretty well last year. I was eating and sleeping Cote D'Ivoire, rooting like hell for them despite them occasionally playing like a bunch of hard-fouling bullies.

duan
Feb 16 2007 04:39 PM

Edgy DC wrote:
Well, we Yanks usually lose our personal investment by the round of 16.

The Crane Pool Know Thy World Cup teams experiment worked pretty well last year. I was eating and sleeping Cote D'Ivoire, rooting like hell for them despite them occasionally playing like a bunch of hard-fouling bullies.


good stuff!!!

There are rough and ready all right!!!

Didier Drogba's a lion too.

Farmer Ted
Feb 16 2007 05:31 PM

I'm still on the West Ham bandwagon per Dickshot.

metirish
Feb 16 2007 06:29 PM

The Hammers are in serious danger of getting demoted this season..

A Boy Named Seo
Feb 20 2007 01:44 PM

Arsenal and Dutch powerhouse PSV Eindhoven are on ESPN2 right now, no score at half. The announcers said the Philips Stadium in Holland has seat warmers. Neat.

More Champions League on ESPN2 tomorrow with Liverpool/Barca.

MFS62
Mar 01 2007 08:07 AM

World Cup to the US?

http://sports.yahoo.com/sow/news?slug=ap-wcup2018-blatter&prov=ap&type=lgns

Later

A Boy Named Seo
Mar 06 2007 09:58 AM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Mar 06 2007 10:03 AM

Anyone catch that West Ham/Tottenham game this weekend?

SPOILER WARNING if you've got it Tivo'd or want to catch it later.

West Ham is desperately trying to climb out of the cellar and stave off relegation. Bobby Zamora comes on as a late substitution and like 2 minutes later, heads in the tie-breaking goal, giving the Hammers a 3-2 lead in the 85th minute, 5 minutes and change away from 3 precious points. The crowd is delirious and the announcers are talking about how huge this would be, climbing to within 7 points of Man City, which would clear them of relegation if they could somehow vault past them.

Spurs get a free kick in the 89th minute, though, and Dimitar Berbatov knocks in his 8th goal of the year - beyond the wall, just past Paul Konchesky's bald head, and into the corner of the net for the crushing equalizer.

One point is still better than nothing, but they'd still be nine back of Man City, with no matches at hand and a tough schedule ahead.

In the waning minutes of stoppage time, West Ham brought their defenders up to pressure Tottenham and try to steal a victory. That totally backfired as Spurs got on a break and had a numbers advantage with all these white Tottenham shirts surging towards the West Ham goalie. It looked like trouble immediately.

Jermaine Defoe's shot was saved by West Ham's Paul Green, but Paul Stalteri punched home the long rebound for the winner in the 95th freaking minute.

Tottenham went ape-shit. Poor Alan Curbishley looked like he wanted to cry. They now sit 10 back of Man City and no matches left with any of the teams immediately in front of them. To make matters worse, they've still got Man U., Chelsea, Arsenal, Bolton, and Everton (all top 6 clubs) on the remaining schedule.

Just a fantastic match. Fox Soccer Channel's been replaying it. Maybe you'll get lucky and get a Fan Zone replay. I love that show.

Johnny Dickshot
Mar 06 2007 10:03 AM

Friggin West Ham. Remember that British guy Ash who used to post about the Mets? I took up supporting the Hammers upon his recommendation.

metirish
Mar 06 2007 10:12 AM

West Ham are finished,the dressing room is in shambles with player cliques all over the place and wide spread gambling among groups of players,it has come out this week that some players have won and lost up to 50 grand on bus trips to away games,Anton Ferdinand recently went to South Carolina to celebrate his birthday,told the club he was going to visit his grand mother on the Isle of White....I just watched the goals on youtube....looked like a cracker of a game.....plus today it came out that West Ham fans were chanting racist songs during the game, one fella posted it on youtube....since taken down.......



http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,,2027361,00.html

A Boy Named Seo
Mar 06 2007 10:30 AM

Yeah, I do remember him. That was a while back, huh? Was he even on this board?

It's got to be tough when your team gets relegated. The fight to get back the next year would be pretty cool, but it's got to take a hit on revenues all around when your drop from the Premiership.

Edgy DC
Mar 06 2007 10:36 AM

I thought Ash had a brief career as a Crane Pooler. But I just checked the old place and found no ashen registrants.

Johnny Dickshot
Mar 06 2007 10:44 AM

He took off in the summer of '01 to hike the Himalayas or something and that was that.

metirish
Mar 29 2007 11:02 AM

If you are ever in Amsterdam be sure to catch Abdullah,he's a legend and rumor has it that he does this for money to get his fix....

Willets Point
May 02 2007 03:39 PM

The national team of Ireland have a couple of friendlies coming up in New Jersey and Foxboro. Are you going metirish?

metirish
May 02 2007 05:46 PM

Don't know yet,just read the other day that they will be playing Ecuador at Giants Stadium,not a fixture to get the blood boiling.

Willets Point
May 03 2007 05:49 AM

I know what you mean. I'm debating whether it's worth buying a pricey ticket to see Ireland play Bolivia.

metirish
May 03 2007 09:09 AM

If Shane Long is in the squad I probably will go,he's from near me in Tipperary,don't know him but know the family.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shane_Long

metirish
May 21 2007 10:10 AM

I'll not be going to this game,the number of senior internationals absent is over twenty ,most pulled out through injuries or family commitments,I can't blame them for not wanting to go to the US for two crap games when the off-season is so short for them.

Things are so bad that Joseph Lapira a Junior for Notre dame is training g with the team ,is his only connection to Ireland the Irish on his shirt?....

I'd be hard pressed to name more than a few players in the squad.

http://fai.ie/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2058

http://und.cstv.com/sports/m-soccer/mtt/lapira_joseph00.html

Edgy DC
May 21 2007 10:20 AM

Notihing Irish in his bio: http://und.cstv.com/sports/m-soccer/mtt/lapira_joseph00.html

Frayed Knot
May 23 2007 12:24 PM

Can one of you soccer geeks explain this UEFA stuff to me?

The way I understand it is that it's a kind of pan-European championship with the winner of each nation's association playing off for an overall championship; in this case involving England's Liverpool against Italy's Milan.

But didn't Chelsea & Manchester just recently play for England's FA Cup? ... something which I assumed was for the FA title in that country.
So why isn't THAT winner the one in the UEFA tourney?

The whole line of succession thing is confusing me here and, as I recall, I was confused by it while reading 'Fever Pitch' too.

Willets Point
May 23 2007 12:40 PM

You've got three different tournaments going on concurrently.

First there's the league championship which is basically the regular slate of games played by the top club teams in a particular country. In England it's the Premiership, in Italy it's the Serie A, in Germany it's the Bundesliga, in Spain it's La Liga. Usually 18-20 clubs play about 40 games and whoever has the most points at the end wins. That's it. No playoffs. No cup tournament. First place wins it all like the pre-World Series National League.

Then, most countries have a cup tournament. This is a open entry tournament where any club, whether they're in the top division, a lower division and I think sometimes even amateur teams can enter. In England this is called the FA Cup. There's even a tournament in America called the US Open Cup. Games played for a cup tournament are separate from games played in the league. Of course, by the time you get to the finals of the cup tournament the two teams in the finals are usually also two of the top teams from the premiere league.

Finally, there's the UEFA cup. This is an international tournament selecting some of the top clubs from different countries from the previous seasons (using formulae I shan't pretend to understand). Countries like England, Spain, and Italy may have multiple clubs in the UEFA cup while other European countries just get one or none. They play a World Cup style group tournament that is concurrent with the league play in the individual nations. Again these games are completely separate, so the teams that make it to the UEFA cup finals are often different from league champions and national cup champions.

Does that make sense?

metirish
May 23 2007 12:51 PM

FK ,basically the UEFA Champions League used to be called the European Cup,the winners of each National League were entered the following year to the European Cup,the champions of smaller countries like Ireland went to a pre-qualifier to get into the tournament proper,so really you could say that the team that won the European Cup was the champion of Europe.

1) - They won their national league.

2) - the following year they won the European cup.

The old system was a two-legged affair,home and away with the final played at a neutral venue ,that was decided in one game,not two legs.

The UEFA got greedy in the early nineties and opend the cup to not just the champion of the various national leagues but the runner up as well,now it has expanded so much that "stronger" leagues send four teams into the pot,after various rounds sixteen teams emerge into the tournament proper,a few more rounds and here we are at the final....the purist will tell you that it's all bullshit,and they are right,Liverpool are a classic example,they have not won their national league since 1989/90 yet tonight they go for their second UEFA Champions Cup in two years.

A European Super League is in the works,the biggest(richest) clubs having their own league,the group of 14 they are called.

I hope Milan hammers the shite outta Liverpool.

Frayed Knot
May 23 2007 12:55 PM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 23 2007 12:57 PM

]Does that make sense?


More or less.

So a team like Chelsea could win England's FA Cup but either not participate in UEFA, or make it there but get knocked out at some point along the way?

Meanwhile, UEFA finalist Liverpool could win this pan-Euro championship even without winning their own?

Willets Point
May 23 2007 12:57 PM

Yup.

metirish
May 23 2007 01:02 PM

Chelsea because they came second in their league are in the Champions League next season,even though they won the FA Cup they will not enter that competition,england will send a different team.

I should mention that the UEFA Cup is different than the UEFA Champions Cup,the UEFA Cup is for teams that win their national cups,like the FA Cup or the Kings Cup in Spain,also teams in the stronger leagues that finish outside the top four teams,fifth and sixth are entered in the UEFA Cup....

Sevilla FC won the UEFA Cup for the second year running last week.

Fans in general would not really care about the UEFA Cup,it's seen as a consolation prize really.

Kid Carsey
May 23 2007 02:38 PM

SPOILER BELOW:













Milan wins 2-0, just watched the last twenty minutes.

duan
May 23 2007 03:36 PM

comment below spoiler.



















































































SPOILER
but you didn't watch TOO closely seeing as it was two - one ;)

Kid Carsey
May 23 2007 03:49 PM

That's pretty funny (to me at least).

metirish
Jun 05 2007 09:32 AM

Funny thing might happen before the mightily over rated Beckham gets to play for LA,they could be all but finished ,they are joint bottom of the Western Conference with Real Salt Lake,LA has one win in seven games.

Landon Donovan is now leaving the Galaxy for up to six weeks to be with the National team,he's only scored or assisted on every goal they have scored this season.

The good news is that out of thirteen MLS teams eight make the play-offs.

A Boy Named Seo
Jun 05 2007 03:11 PM

Aging Claude Makelele from Chelsea thinking about following Becks to America because he's in his mid-30's, got lots of talent in midfield at Chelsea pushing him, and he figures he'd get to play international ball without the hassles he got from Jose Mourinho.

MLS is becoming the place for the Tuffy Rhodeses of the Prem to come and die.

metirish
Jun 11 2007 09:31 AM

Reports from Europe are that Real Madrid have approached LA Galaxy about buying Beckham out of his contract,they now want him to stay at Real,apparently there is an escape clause in his contract,Beckham's camp say he will honor his LA contract .

Worth watching as Beckham is now back in the England fold ,what will playing for LA do to that is the question.


]

Real Madrid coach Fabio Capello, who often left Beckham on the bench during the first half of the Primera Liga season, has admitted making errors about the way the 32-year-old was handled.

He said: "We have all made mistakes regarding Beckham. On the sporting side we have made a decision and I am the one that has the maximum responsibility.

"The truth is that with him we made a mistake. Beckham is a great player. Now he is playing at the same level as he did at Manchester (United).

"He is a player that has recovered his physical and psychological condition because he was upset not to be playing with his national team.

"For every player, the national team is important and for English players, more so."

Willets Point
Jun 12 2007 02:10 PM

But his wife is pitching for the Dodgers.

In other news, Wanna buy a soccer club?.

A Boy Named Seo
Jun 12 2007 03:18 PM

Unreal. That's a super idea, but there's no way that will work.

]You will vote on team selection and formation. You will also have a say in tactics, by voting for your preferred style of play and substitutions depending on match situations. The Head Coach will field the 11 players, formation and tactics chosen by MyFootballClub members.


Think of how bad the Mets would suck if fans ran the show.

metirish
Jun 17 2007 06:45 AM

Just posting this because I think it's a great picture...



Buenos Aires, Argentina, June 13 2007: Rodrigo Palacio (second left) of Boca Juniors celebrates with his teammates after scoring a goal against Gremio during the first leg of the Copa Libertadores final at La Bombonera stadium. Boca won the match 3-0.

metirish
Jun 19 2007 07:05 AM

Alexi Lalas has got a lot to say.

[url=http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,,2105972,00.html]Arrogrant and Ignorant English[/url]

[url=http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/sport/2007/06/19/soccer_for_dummies.html]Blog[/url]

A Boy Named Seo
Jun 19 2007 11:13 AM

Calling the Prem inferior is not the way to get peeps to think your league is necessarily better.

Julio Baptista looked absolutely lost this year at Arsenal, his first after coming over from Real Madrid. He said the pace was greater and there was a great deal of adjustment to be made and he was wildly successful in Spain. I don't think he thinks the Prem is inferior.

Rotblatt
Jun 19 2007 01:45 PM

I thought Lalas was pretty sly there. I mean, he made me a lot more likely to stop when I flip past an MLS game on the tv . . . And that was his point, right?

metirish
Jun 19 2007 02:00 PM

I suppose that's what he was at,getting some publicity for MLS,he is right though about how MLS is written about in England,it's dismissed as a joke league by most,mickey mouse league is often what it's called.

This is a typical bit of piss taking that goes on at the Guardian.

pbp from a few years ago.

[url=http://football.guardian.co.uk/worldcup2002/minutebyminute/story/0,,738914,00.html]Soccer ball[/url]

it's brilliant....

]

49 min: Flag! Wolff procrastinates over a sideline handpass and is ref-charged for clock abuse.

Frayed Knot
Jun 19 2007 02:25 PM

Sounds like Lalas is saying that the Premiere League has become a league of a few elites supplemented by a bunch of also-rans to the point where the talent level as a whole in the MLS is much closer to that back in England at least in part because it's spread out more evenly.

I don't know enough to have any idea if that's true or not, but it would be akin to calling the AL East out for not being worthy of all the TV exposure and media attention they get because it's strength is really just the two big budget / heavy drama teams who spend most of the time wailing on the other whipping boys.

Between the huge money-makers like Man U., Arsenal and a few of the others, is the Premiere League in danger of becoming a kind of semi-permanent have & have-not situation?

metirish
Jun 19 2007 05:14 PM

Since the Premier League was formed in the 1992/93 season four clubs have won it,Manchester United (9), Arsenal (3),Chelsea (2) and Blackburn Rovers one time.

Blackburn was a one off,it's between those Big 3 and Liverpool.,the rest hope for top ten finish and a good cup run.

A Boy Named Seo
Jun 19 2007 08:48 PM

Frayed Knot wrote:

Between the huge money-makers like Man U., Arsenal and a few of the others, is the Premiere League in danger of becoming a kind of semi-permanent have & have-not situation?


I think you could say that's already happened. Billionaires like Roman Abramovich and Tom Hicks are moving in and buying up Prem teams. Like Irish said, the elite 4 right now are Chelsea, Man U., Liverpool, and Arsenal. It sounds like Arsenal might now be selling to billionaire American Stan Kroenke (owns the Denver MLS team).

The payrolls and revenues on those clubs are way bigger than the rest in the Prem and while you may have a bottom-feeder, in danger of relegation team like West Ham step up and pop one of the big ones (Chelsea and Arsenal both this year) once in a while, basically teams like those scrape to stave off relegation. Most of the others try to hang in and qualify for EUFA Cup, win other lesser tourneys like the Carling Cup, and maybe if they're lucky, sneak in the top 4 and qualify for Champions League, but that's way tough to do. So there is clearly is disparity in money and talent distribution, but I don't know that that makes the MLS any better.

Brian McBride was a superstar in MLS and has become a great player for Fullham. It wasn't instant, but it can happen. I just think we need to see more dudes do it.

metirish
Jun 20 2007 07:03 AM

Agree with Seo,a few things though,Premier League clubs are flush with new TV deal money,that especially helps the smaller clubs,it's estimated that getting back into the premier league will be worth Sunderland 60 million sterling,that's just to start with....and there are plenty of American players playing all across Europe to great success,and are hugely popular with fans.

Saw this in the News.....

]

JUST FOR KICKS: Jeff Wilpon confirmed the Mets have looked into acquiring a Major League Soccer franchise. "We're always looking at opportunities," he said.


I always thought the Flushing area would be a great place for a soccer team...

Edgy DC
Jun 20 2007 07:13 AM

If there was anything sadder than the size of the crowds who came out to see Joe Torre's New York Mets at Shea in the late seventies, it was the size of the crowds that came out to Shea to see Rodney Marsh's New York Apollo.

And if there was anything sadder than that, it was the size of the crowds after they moved to Randall's Island.

Frayed Knot
Jun 20 2007 07:18 AM

Yeah, I saw that mentioned a couple of days ago somewhere - although w/o the confirmation from Jeff.

Seems that the MLS is looking to expand a few years from now and that a second team in the NYC area is one of the strong possiblities. With the Metro-Bulls occupying the area west of the city, Queens and its diverse population would make a lot of sense. There was even a mention of using the "triangle" area next to Shea/Citi once that is "cleaned up and redeveloped" (or, as the current residents would put it, confiscated).

metirish
Jun 20 2007 07:20 AM

My idea though would be a new stadium ,playing in old Shea would be a mess and Randall's Island is a mess to get to,never heard of the NY Apollo.

Edgy DC
Jun 20 2007 07:31 AM

Funny to bring up Marsh --- who became famous in recent years for being held to a promise to shave his head if something unlikely happened --- and then go over to the main forum and see that Blyleven is in the same bind.

metirish
Jun 21 2007 06:06 PM

Pele born in 1940
Johan Cruyff born in 1947
Deigo Maradona born in 1960
Roberto Baggio born in 1967
Ronaldinho born in 1980
Leonel Messi born in 1987

Something to think about.

A Boy Named Seo
Jun 22 2007 03:40 PM

After weeks of speculation, Thierry Henry is apparently [url=http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=440822&cc=5901]headed to Barcelona[/url] in a straight cash transfer - $32 mils to Arsenal.

If it's true, that's pretty fucking stupid. He's Arsenal's greatest player, the third most prolific scorer in Prem history, and he just signed a new 4-year deal last year. To let him go and hope to buy anything suitable to replace him is idiotic.

Henry and Ronaldihno up front should be better than average, huh?

metirish
Jun 22 2007 05:04 PM

One of the problems with getting into massive debt building a new stadium is having to sell players.....and no small thing either is the leaving of David Dein a few months ago,he was Vice-Chairman of the club and a staunch ally of Wenger.

A Boy Named Seo
Jun 23 2007 08:34 AM

Yeah, Thierry publicly bitched about Dein's departure, which I never really understood, and now maybe AW's looking beyond next year. Cesc may not be too far behind...

Henry: David Dein is no longer there and there is no denying the fact this has de-stabilised the team and the manager. Arsene Wenger has said that at this moment he will not commit to the club past the expiration of his current deal, which finishes at the end of this coming season. I respect his decision and honesty but I will be 31 at the end of next season and I cannot take the chance to be there without Arsene Wenger and David Dein.

Arsenal's not looking so hot.

metirish
Jun 23 2007 09:15 AM

Plenty of American intrigue to boot.

http://football.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,2109478,00.html

A Boy Named Seo
Jun 23 2007 04:31 PM

That does shed some light on the Dein thing. Today he spoke and said Wenger's uncertainty played a huge role, too. The whole thing sucks.

Check out the front page of El Mundo Deportivo, doing like Topps and slapping a Barca uni on him.

Edit: That picture's huge. Here's a [url=http://www.elmundodeportivo.es/mundo-img/20070623/_archivo55_graphic_10_1_2_20070623_Y23PORTP.EPS.jpg]link [/url]instead.

metirish
Jun 25 2007 10:33 AM

California resident and World Cup winner Frank Leboeuf.

]

"I'm sure it would be possible to find new Zidanes all over the US.
But they're most likely Hispanic, Afro-American or of poor European
stock so they won't find clubs - because soccer here has become a
rich kids' sport" -

A Boy Named Seo
Jun 27 2007 09:59 AM

Beckham plays football with Reggie Bush...

metirish
Jul 12 2007 09:45 PM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 12 2007 09:54 PM

Beckham gets unveiled Friday in LA,Alexi Lalas says there have already been over a quater milllion "units" ordered of Beckhams shirt.....and guess what,the new LA Galaxy shirt looks a whole lot like Real Madrids....

Johnny Dickshot
Jul 12 2007 09:47 PM

Isn't Becks like, always #7?

metirish
Jul 12 2007 09:53 PM

Beckham took #23 when he was sold by Man United to Real....like Jordan of course.....here's the bottom line on Beckham,he's a decent player when on a good team,great at free kicks and not a bad passer of the ball...really though the Galaxy team is utter rubbish.

A Boy Named Seo
Jul 13 2007 09:46 AM

What the hell's the deal with Herbalife? Vitamins? Snake oil? Who and what?

Willets Point
Jul 13 2007 09:50 AM

David Beckham for Dummies.

Willets Point
Jul 14 2007 10:09 AM

I just realized I'll actually be in LA on the day of Beckham's Galaxy debut versus Chelsea. I would look into going but I'd be worried about getting to LAX in time for my flight home.

A Boy Named Seo
Jul 14 2007 11:09 AM

Carson's 15 minutes from LAX. You're golden. Getting a ticket, though...

Willets Point
Jul 14 2007 11:28 AM

I checked. It's sold out.

metirish
Jul 14 2007 02:47 PM

I read where everything has jumped in price at the stadium,long time season ticket holders are not happy.

metirish
Jul 15 2007 07:35 AM

Might help if you have seen the movie "Down Fall" and know your soccer.

A Boy Named Seo
Jul 15 2007 07:32 PM

Work from home! Make loads of cash!

Meet [url=http://www.cockeyed.com/workfromhome/workfromhome_s.html]Herbalife[/url].

A Boy Named Seo
Jul 19 2007 12:22 AM

I ended up going to the Chelsea/Suwong game last night. A friend of mine's a big Chelsea guy and we met a bunch of other Chelsea supporters before the match for a party right outside the stadium. It was $20 to get in, but they had bottomless Stella and Heineken, sandwiches and chips, and lots of singing by drunken Blues fans.

The people I met were actually pretty cool. A lot of peeps came over from Britain and there were others from all of the country that are members of regional supporters clubs (Midwest Blues, Pacific Blues, etc.) that showed up.

Chelsea unveiled their new ridiculous neon yellow crossing guard away kits and won in the 80th minute on a Didier Drogba strike.

Really good time. The energy, even for this stupid World Series of Football match, was awesome. Some really rabid fans.

A couple of pictures of random Chelsea peeps:










Edgy DC
Jul 19 2007 05:43 AM

Didier Drogba rocks my world.

Played pretty hard in the World Cup though.

Any mentin of his name should be preceded by "The Great."

metirish
Jul 19 2007 07:04 AM

Seo,was the Galaxy game on as well?,I read that game was brutal,the Galaxy team is being described by the Brit media as a pub team...


MLS All-Stars play Celtic tonight,ESPN2 has the game.Apparently Beckham will be introduced to the crowd during the game.

Great pics Seo....

duan
Jul 19 2007 08:53 AM

Edgy DC wrote:
Didier Drogba rocks my world.

Played pretty hard in the World Cup though.

Any mentin of his name should be preceded by "The Great."


Didier Drogba's a freakin beast of a man. He does fall over hilariously though, but that's all part of the theatre. He's as hard as nails when it matters.

A Boy Named Seo
Jul 19 2007 11:46 AM

metirish wrote:
Seo,was the Galaxy game on as well?,I read that game was brutal,the Galaxy team is being described by the Brit media as a pub team...


MLS All-Stars play Celtic tonight,ESPN2 has the game.Apparently Beckham will be introduced to the crowd during the game.

Great pics Seo....



Yeah, Los Tigres from Mexico, I think, we're busy blasting Galaxy 3-0 in the lid-lifter (5:00PM) but we skipped it to hang at the Chelsea party whose game didn't start til 8PM. The Galaxy are pretty terrible, but they're selling lots of Beckham shirts, so who gives a crap!

Drogba's incredible, but he does flop more than Vlade Divac. Chelsea ran out new guys Florent Malouda and Steve "Ginger" Sidwell. United better work out this Tevez thing NOW!!! because Chelsea's stacked again.

metirish
Jul 19 2007 12:34 PM

Man United and Chelsea are favorites to win the prem,don't think Chelsea are any more stacked than Man U .

Jos Mourinho has a habit of making things about him and his falling out with Abramovich will be worth watching,plus some of the players in his squad he never even wanted,Shevchenco and Ballack,now chances are Robben will be leaving...Sidwell is a bit player,on Chelsea at least.....

Man U have brought in some great young players,Anderson and Nani,and now with Owen Hardgreaves in midfield they will be even better,he's the player Ferguson has wanted for a few years now,excellent player.

The whole Tevez thing is sad,yes as a Man U fan I would love to see him sign,even though I wonder where he fits with Rooney.

Agents have too much power and influence in the world game,his agent all but owns Tevez,owns his "economic rights" and he's contracted to West Ham so it's a mess.


Roy Keane once complained that players are nothing more than pieces of meat to be bought and sold.


Hey it's starting up soon...

A Boy Named Seo
Jul 19 2007 01:06 PM

Yeah, it sounds like Robben's off to Real. Not a favorite of Jose, but I thought he was great off the bench. He's listed as 23 but looks like a 40-year old science teacher.

Don't get me wrong, Man U.'s definitely loaded, too, (can't wait to see Hargreaves), but Chelsea scares me just as much with all the injuries they had last year. I can't believe how great they played even after losing Cech.

I thought Roman and Jose kissed and made up?

metirish
Jul 19 2007 01:16 PM

Yep,they kissed and made up,one of the problems here is that RA hates the way Chealsea play,they really don't play an attractive style,it's effective but after spending all that money he openly wonders why they can't play with more style.


One of the knocks on Robben is that he doesn't like the rough and tumble of the prem,doesn't like to get " stuck in".

I do like JM for his quotes,

Please don't call me arrogant, but I'm European champion and I think I'm a special one.

Young players are a little bit like melons. Only when you open and taste the melon are you 100 percent sure that the melon is good.Sometimes you have beautiful melons but they don't taste very good and some other melons are a bit ugly and when you open them, the taste is fantastic." - Mourinho's Melon Metaphor on young players 9 Jun 2007

Edgy DC
Jul 19 2007 01:19 PM

Didier in full foul performance:

A Boy Named Seo
Jul 19 2007 01:31 PM

Poor Didier looks like he's been speared by a gigantic, invisible harpoon.

Jose is great for quotes. That melon is priceless. Never saw that one.

Style is overrated. Arsenal play beautiful soccer with great ball movement and lots of possession, but drive fans crazy because sometimes they just need to shoot the fucking ball. There's some hope that without Henry, guys will be a little more assertive, but there's a lot of wishful thinking in there. A full year Robin van Persie should go a long way, though.

metirish
Jul 19 2007 01:37 PM

The funny thing about Arsenal is that for years they were known for being " long ball merchants " hoofing the ball long to a target man,then Wenger changed that.

I agree that at times they over pass the ball,perhaps that the Dutch influence at the club.

metirish
Jul 20 2007 11:47 AM

Manchester City manager Sven-Goran Eriksson and assistant manager Tord Grip stretch before training......funny

metirish
Jul 29 2007 11:51 AM

Congratulations to Iraq for winning the Asian Cup beating Saudi Arabia 1 - 0.

metirish
Jul 31 2007 09:26 AM

Freddie Adu set to join Benfica,a great move for him IMO,he'll be a better player for it in a few years.

Willets Point
Jul 31 2007 10:52 AM

If you're like me and have to look it up, Benifica is one of the dominant clubs in the Portuguese League.

metirish
Jul 31 2007 10:57 AM

One of the great European teams,Eusbio is probably the best known player to have played for them,fanatical fans,big European nights.Should be a great place for Adu to mature.

metirish
Aug 02 2007 09:20 AM

]

Manchester United sign nine-year-old YouTube wonder kid
By Simon Rabinovitch
LONDON, Aug 2 (Reuters) - Manchester United have signed a gifted nine-year-old after his grandfather sent the Premier League champions a DVD showcasing the boy's talents which has become a YouTube sensation.
Rhain Davis, who was born in England but has lived in Australia since the age of four, was hailed by the British press on Thursday as the next Wayne Rooney after the United striker.
The boy's dribbling and goalscoring prowess for an Under-10 side in Brisbane, Australia, feature in a four-minute YouTube clip, already viewed more than 800,000 times.
United confirmed the signing but played down the hype around Davis, who has moved back to Cheshire in northern England with his father, near the club's training ground.
"He's a member of our academy and we don't comment on individual members," a United spokesman told Reuters.
He added that the club sign about 40 players of Davis's age every year and, as is standard, will decide annually whether to renew his contract or release him.
What was so unusual in Davis's case was that his skills were brought to the attention of United's youth scouts by the DVD submission, which could inspire other hopefuls, the spokesman said.
"We're bracing ourselves for a whole series of DVDs," he added.
Davis has been thrilled at the chance to rub shoulders with some of his idols.
"The best part has been meeting lots of players like Wayne Rooney," he told British newspapers.

A Boy Named Seo
Aug 02 2007 12:33 PM

Holy F.

Farmer Ted
Aug 02 2007 01:27 PM

Ball Hog.

Willets Point
Aug 02 2007 02:20 PM

A nine-year old in the Man U Academy gets to hang out with Wayne Rooney? Shouldn't Rooney be making the kid polish his boots or something like that?

A Boy Named Seo
Aug 08 2007 08:03 PM

Willets- I'm hoping to drag my friend to a Boston bar to watch Opening Day Arsenal/Fullham on Sunday morning. I've found a handful of [url=http://msn.foxsports.com/soccer/story/5120122]choices[/url] on FSC's site. Been to/heard of any of these?

Edgy DC
Aug 08 2007 08:05 PM

The bar I went to the other day to catch the Mets had Galaxy on another set, with a "Beckham-Cam" in the corner of the screen showing him sitting down in a suit and tie.

A Boy Named Seo
Aug 08 2007 09:13 PM

He's a handsome guy, David Beckham.

metirish
Aug 09 2007 09:21 AM

Playing in D.C. tonight,no word yet on weather he'll actually be playing.

Willets Point
Aug 09 2007 09:43 AM

A Boy Named Seo wrote:
Willets- I'm hoping to drag my friend to a Boston bar to watch Opening Day Arsenal/Fullham on Sunday morning. I've found a handful of [url=http://msn.foxsports.com/soccer/story/5120122]choices[/url] on FSC's site. Been to/heard of any of these?


If a Red Sox game happens to be on that time, you can forget about any chances of seeing soccer. With that cavaet, here are the pubs I've been to...

Kinsale, McGann's, Phoenix Landing, and Plough & Stars (Irish Embassy has been closed for years, this list is way out of date). McGann's probably is most likely to be showing English football, although I know they sometimes charge a cover for the privilege. Probably if you're nice to the Irish bartender you could get him to tune it in at any of these places, but I wouldn't expect it to be on if you don't request it.

What time EDT does the game start? Boston bars aren't likely to be open early on Sunday morning either.

metirish
Aug 09 2007 09:54 AM

The prem starts on Saturday with FSC showing three games starting at 10AM

Check setanta.com for a list of pubs,I think that should help.

A Boy Named Seo
Aug 09 2007 10:35 AM

Thanks. It's a noon start time in England, which looks like 7AM in Boston. Cleared that Sox hurdle then, huh? There's a handful of bars in LA and Long Beach that cater strictly to soccer guys and open up for breakfast and beer so I thought I might find similar out there. I'll call some of those and see.

A Boy Named Seo
Aug 09 2007 10:36 AM

metirish wrote:
The prem starts on Saturday with FSC showing three games starting at 10AM

Check setanta.com for a list of pubs,I think that should help.


Setanta looks awesome, but I can't justify the 14 bucks for one stupid channel.

metirish
Aug 09 2007 10:51 AM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 09 2007 05:42 PM

Seo,I can't view Setanta here at work but they are the ones that bring the prem to the USA,I think you are talking about viewing it online?...anyway I thought that there would be a list of pubs on the site that shows the soccer.

enter zip code here.

http://na.setanta.tv/navenuefinder.htm

Willets Point
Aug 09 2007 11:18 AM

A Boy Named Seo wrote:
Thanks. It's a noon start time in England, which looks like 7AM in Boston. Cleared that Sox hurdle then, huh? There's a handful of bars in LA and Long Beach that cater strictly to soccer guys and open up for breakfast and beer so I thought I might find similar out there. I'll call some of those and see.


Massachusetts has some strict Blue Laws compared to California so calling first is a good idea.

Edgy DC
Aug 10 2007 12:24 PM

So we had 47,000 fans out for Beckham last night, on day that began with a miserable heat index which turned into a torrential rain.

The storm released enough heat to make it merely awful in DC, but hurt field conditions enough to make one think Becks would sit out again despite being on the active roster for the first time.

But he busted his MLS cherry finally, getting in for the lat 20 minutes before a reveous crowd of star-chasers.

That's 47,000, or 20,000 more than came out for Freddy Adu's debut.

A Boy Named Seo
Aug 10 2007 05:02 PM

He looked pretty good, too. He set Donovan up perfectly on that 30 or so yard lead pass. Donovan got mauled and a penalty probably should've been called but wasn't. How many times did that dude take his shirt off during the match? MLS must've snuck that in Beck's contract, too.

I loved the giant banner the DC fans made:

"WE SING BETTER THAN YOUR WIFE".

They do.

metirish
Aug 15 2007 07:00 AM

Beckham will play tonights game at home to DC United...meanwhile Roy Keane goes on a classic rant about WAGS(wives & girlfriends)

http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,,2148940,00.html

Willets Point
Aug 15 2007 08:22 AM

Beckham stiffs Foxborough and gets a rant in the Boston Globe. This article also mentions WAGS, a term I've never heard before, so it's coincidental that irish just posted about the same thing.

Johnny Dickshot
Aug 15 2007 08:34 AM

We should turn Wifey Watch into a $$-making opportunity before someone else does.

Willets Point
Aug 15 2007 08:40 AM

Johnny Dickshot wrote:
We should turn Wifey Watch into a $$-making opportunity before someone else does.


You're right, it's not sleazy enough as it is now.

metirish
Aug 15 2007 08:41 AM

That Globe article just about sums up Beckham and the WAG culture in European football,especially England,the Keane rant is getting kudos from just about anyone over there that cares about the game.

Willets Point
Aug 15 2007 08:46 AM

Maybe football players should marry intelligent women who actually want to work for a living, or do charity or something.

On edit: I don't mean this is a criticism of women so much as criticism of athletes for choosing vapid trophy wives.

metirish
Aug 16 2007 04:41 AM

Beckham scored a trademark free kick in lasts night game against DC,also had an assist.

Willets Point
Sep 08 2007 10:04 AM

Germany v. Greece



When I saw this as a kid the Beckenbauer joke went right over my head.

Willets Point
Sep 10 2007 08:22 AM

Women's World Cup 2007 began today with Germany trouncing Argentina.

metirish
Sep 10 2007 01:28 PM

This does not surprise me.

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The Football Association of Ireland is at the centre of yet another of its trademark shambles, this time over the family bereavement which has ruled Stephen Ireland out of Wednesday's trip to Prague. Ireland was told by FAI officials shortly after Saturday's 2-2 draw in Slovakia that his maternal grandmother, to whom he is particularly close, had died. It was not until he arrived home to Cheshire that he discovered it was in fact his paternal grandmother who had passed away. In the meantime, the FAI issued a statement that led to the wrong grandmother being named as deceased in several newspapers. "I was up half the night [sorting it out]," sniffed Ireland manager Stan 'Steve' Staunton. "We were given the wrong information. It's his grandmother, we send him our best wishes and that's the end of that."

metirish
Sep 19 2007 09:14 PM

WOW...WOW..

Jose Mourinho quits Chelsea...

http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,,2172967,00.html

Edgy DC
Sep 19 2007 10:52 PM

US Chicks on their way?

Willets Point
Sep 19 2007 11:06 PM

They play England in the quarterfinal on Saturday. They'll have to watch out for Jess Bhamra and Jules Paxton.

A Boy Named Seo
Sep 20 2007 12:23 AM

metirish wrote:
WOW...WOW..

Jose Mourinho quits Chelsea...

http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,,2172967,00.html


Crazy. I'd read he and Roman had a big dust up after Chelsea's draw in CL on Tuesday. The timing couldn't be worse for this. Kinda funny actually.

Willets Point
Sep 22 2007 07:20 AM

USA up 3-0 over England in the 60th minute.

Frayed Knot
Sep 27 2007 09:25 PM

U.S. team gts smushed 4-0 by Brazil in the semis.

But the big story is that the coach changed goalkeepers prior to the game - replacing the younger up-and-comer who had played the games in the pre-lim round with the veteren from past Cup & Olympic campaigns - and new goalie wasn't too happy with that nor was she shy about saying so afterward, taking out both the coach and her fellow goaltender in post-game comments.

[more or less quotes]:
'It was the wrong move ... I should have been out there ... that's obvious to anyone who knows anything about soccer'
... 'I would have made those saves'
... 'you can't live in the past, this isn't 2000, or 2003, or 2004'


Harsh stuff.

Edgy DC
Sep 27 2007 10:02 PM

Her end-of-year evaluation is not going to give her high marks on being a team player.

metirish
Sep 29 2007 09:43 PM

Good call Edgy,no hope for Solo as she is kicked from the team.

]

We have moved forward with 20 players who have stood by each other, who have battled for each other, Ryan said yesterday. And when the hard times came and the Brazil game was a hard time they stood strong. Now its the 20 who have stuck together who will be ready to go out and compete against Norway.



I like the decision by the coach.

Frayed Knot
Sep 30 2007 04:49 AM

Solo, who's a lot younger than Scurry and therefore you assume has the better future, may have yapped her way off of the 2008 Olympic Team.

metirish
Oct 15 2007 05:04 PM

One of the great enigmas of world football was brilliant for Argentina over the weekend in world cup qualifiers, Juan Romn Riquelme hasn't played for his spanish club side in months but it'd not stopped the Argentine coach from building his team around him.

Two free kicks to the same side of the goal from different sides of the box, amazing.




more on the player.


http://football.guardian.co.uk/breakingnews/feedstory/0,,-6995888,00.html

metirish
Nov 07 2007 11:56 AM

Interesting story developing in Ireland.

]



FAI receive welcome FIFA boost
Wednesday, 7 November 2007 16:36

The Irish Football Association have been 'staggered' by a FIFA proposal to settle the eligibility row with the Football Association of Ireland.

World football's governing body - invited to rule on the issue by the IFA - have suggested that players born on both sides of the border should be able to represent Northern Ireland or the Republic of Ireland.

However, IFA chief executive Howard Wells told the BBC that the FIFA compromise was 'totally inconsistent with the body's own rules which apply to the other 206 countries in FIFA'.

Wells added: 'I am extremely surprised about this, to say the least, staggered in fact.

'All we are asking is for FIFA to apply their own rules consistently to all members of their organisation.'

The issue has been brought to a head by the case of Manchester United midfielder Darron Gibson, who was born in Northern Ireland and played for the country at under-16 level before switching allegiance to the Republic of Ireland.

Gibson, on-loan at Wolves, recently appeared for the Republic in a Euro 2008 qualifier even though he would not ordinarily be eligible to play for Steve Staunton's side because neither he, his parent nor his grandparents were born south of the border.

The Football Association of Ireland believe they are entitled to pursue players born in Northern Ireland under the terms of the Good Friday Agreement, which guarantees the right of anyone born anywhere on the island of Ireland to apply for an Irish passport.

The FIFA proposal would enshrine this right for football purposes, as well as the right of a player from south of the border to represent Northern Ireland.

Given few footballers from the Republic are likely to want to play north of the border, the IFA would have little to gain from agreeing to the recommendation.

But the proposal - which effectively upholds the status quo - has been welcomed by the FAI.

FIFA will listen to submissions from both bodies before a ruling is made by their executive committee, although IFA boss Wells has hinted he will consider legal advice.

A FIFA spokesman told the Belfast Telegraph: 'The current situation is that for the Irish Football Association, players can choose also to play for the Football Association of Ireland, but the vice-versa is not possible.

'With the objective to find an amicable solution which is acceptable for both member associations the FIFA Legal Committee has made the following new proposal: any player holding the nationality of the Republic of Ireland that was born on the territory of the Republic of Ireland would, by agreement between the two associations, also be eligible for the representative teams of the Irish Football Association.'



The IFA is the governing body for Northern Ireland, the FAI for the Republic.


http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2007/1107/eligibility.html

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 12 2007 07:54 AM

I just want a pair of them checkerboard-style soccer shorts. Can't find em anywhere. They could be the retro product of the year.

]Start the scrimmage
by Phineas Lambert
Updated 10:54 AM EST, Nov-9-2007

Look for some deft footwork.

Seven months before the European Soccer Championship, Adidas AG and Nike Inc. are angling to grab market share and defend their European turf in the growing $5 billion global market for soccer gear. With a 35% share for Adidas, a 30% share for Nike and a 9% share for Puma AG, the market for soccer gear is one of the most closely contested in sports as rivals scout for acquisitions, endorsement deals and technological innovations.

Though Nike's signature swoosh dominates so much of the sports world (in high-end basketball products, for example, it claims a 75% market share) the Beaverton, Ore.-based company has been playing catch-up on the soccer field. As a result, the company last month agreed to pay 285 million ($582 million) for Cheadle, England-based soccer retailer Umbro plc. After considering making a play for competitor Puma two years ago French retail giant PPR SA this summer paid 3.3 billion ($4.6 billion) for the German sporting-goods maker Nike moved to buy the 87-year-old Umbro. It hopes to bring a celebrated English national soccer shirt into its product stable while gaining new or improved access to European markets.

Nike's goal may be thwarted, though, as Umbro's vendors have amassed a big enough stake in the U.K. company to prevent a deal from closing.

Interestingly, Nike has no immediate plans to replace the Umbro logo of overlapping rectangles with its own iconic brand. That's a tribute to the stature of the Umbro name, especially in the U.K. 'The [Umbro partnerships] will allow [Nike] into [stores across Europe] without pushing the Nike brand,' says Erin Ashley Smith, a securities analyst at Argus Research Co. in New York. 'Nike can cut costs and get better pricing for Umbro and use its market execution to help Umbro grow internationally.'

With only a 5% market share and revenue of 149.5 million, Umbro offers potential for solid growth, especially in Europe.

If it closes the Umbro acquisition, Nike, which outfits the national soccer teams of the U.S., Brazil and Portugal and club teams such as Arsenal FC and Manchester United, will add the shirts of England, Ireland and Sweden as well as six English Premier League teams. Herzogenaurach, Germany-based Adidas counters with contracts with the German, French and Argentinean national teams and celebrated clubs A.C. Milan, Real Madrid and Chelsea FC.

Earlier this year, Nike tried unsuccessfully to steal the right to outfit the German national team away from Adidas, which has sponsored the team since 1954. Reports suggest that Nike could sign the French team when its contract with Adidas expires in 2010.

In its play for Umbro, Nike may face a wily goalie in maverick Mike Ashley, founder and owner of retailer Sports Direct International plc, which sells Umbro products, among other offerings. Following Nike's agreement to acquire Umbro, Ashley, who owns English Premiership squad Newcastle United FC, increased Sports Direct's stake in Umbro to 29.9%, just below the minimum required for a takeover bid. Nike needs acceptances from 75% of Umbro's share capital to close the deal and delist Umbro.

Some analysts surmise that Sports Direct is looking for bargaining power with Nike and won't itself bid for Umbro.

Umbro retailer JJB Sports plc, which amassed a 10% stake in Umbro after Nike's announcement, has been more forthright. 'They said they wanted a seat at the table when the England kit [contract] situation was being sorted out,' Seymour Pierce Ltd. analyst Andrew Wade says.

How might Adidas respond as Nike intensifies the pressure on its archrival? Adidas is not likely to make a counteroffer for Umbro, because competition issues would likely arise in the wake of its $3.8 billion acquisition of sporting-goods company Reebok International Ltd. in August 2003. Analysts suggest the competition between Adidas and Nike now centers around the signing of big-name players ahead of Euro 2008 and the 2010 World Cup. 'I don't think that you should expect an M&A answer [from Adidas],' says analyst Jrg Frey of Oppenheim Research GmbH. 'The competition now is in respect to signing global icons.'

Nike may confront another problem that has nothing to do with money or market share. The English soccer team is perilously close to not qualifying for the European championships next summer. If that happens, Umbro sales would be hard hit in both 2007 and 2008. Following England's 2-1 loss to Russia last month, a defeat that put the team on the brink of elimination from next summer's tournament, analysts at Numis Securities Ltd. downgraded its target price to 110 pence. Nike has agreed to pay Umbro shareholders 193 pence per share.

Edgy DC
Nov 12 2007 07:59 AM

Hate to see the Umbro brand disappear.

metirish
Nov 21 2007 11:57 AM

Umbro have made some classic jersey's over the years,here is a link to the top 50 kits ever( all makers) from the London Times.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/article2537973.ece

duan
Nov 21 2007 04:13 PM

there's NOTHING funnier then when engerland fall flat on their face. needing only a draw at home against Croatia to qualify for the European Championships next summer, England managed to go 2-0 down after 20 minutes. They then lucked their way back to 2-2 only to capitulate 3-2 in the end.

As they say in all the bast interweb sites ROFLMAO

metirish
Nov 21 2007 04:41 PM

Listened to the football show on Newstalk 106 during the game, very funny to hear them on about the game, while I am thrilled they got beaten and won't be going the Euro finals won't be as much fun without them, only one thing better than tonights result and that's watching Engerland lose in the quater finals.

Duan did you know Barry Glendenning at Hotpress?

duan
Nov 22 2007 10:39 AM

yeah know Barry very well. He came up to here as a young whipper snapper! He won a competition we did on Jo-Maxi (remember that?) and managed to get a full time gig out of it.

While it's hilarious when England go to a major championships and mess it up appallingly there's always the fear that one of these bloody times they might win one (a penalty shoot out i mean) and do better then we'd like!!!!

metirish
Nov 23 2007 09:14 AM

It's hilarious to listen to what's going on in England, O'Neill has ruled himself out, would love to see them go with Shearer.


I remember Jo-Maxi , was on with "The Den" or after?. Have to say I find Barry to be very funny, listen to him on the Guardian's football show.

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/sport/2007/11/22/football_weekly_extra_13.html


Oh I see Jewell has ruled himself out of the Ireland job, sucks because I thought he would have been a good choice.

metirish
Nov 25 2007 01:42 PM

No need for me to book a holiday in South Africa in 2010, tough group RoI are in.

]

EUROPE:

Group 1: Portugal, Sweden, Denmark, Hungary, Albania, Malta.

Group 2: Greece, Israel, Switzerland, Moldova, Latvia, Luxembourg.

Group 3: Czech Republic, Poland, NORTHERN IRELAND, Slovakia, Slovenia, San Marino.

Group 4: Germany, Russia, Finland, WALES, Azerbijain, Leichtenstein.

Group 5: Spain, Turkey, Belgium, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Armenia, Estonia.

The easiest group, albeit one which you couldn't script: Croatia, ENGLAND, Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Andorra.

Group 7: France, Romania, Serbia, Lithuania, Austria, Faroe Islands.

Group 8: Italy, Bulgaria, REPUBLIC OF IRELAND, Cyprus, Georgia, Montenegro.

Group 9: Holland, SCOTLAND, Norway, FYR Macedonia, Iceland.

Edgy DC
Nov 25 2007 01:53 PM

How many times has Northern Ireland qualified in the past? Is this the first time that the Republic of Ireland and the Statelet of Northern Ireland have qualified in the same year?

metirish
Nov 25 2007 02:01 PM

Sorry, the above is the qualifying draw for the 2010 World Cup to be held in South Africa. The group winners will go to South Africa, the eight best runners-up into play-offs for the remaining four places.


Northern Ireland qualified in 1982 and 1986 , the Republic in 1990,1994 and 2002, IIRC they were in the same qualifying group once, for 1994 I think.


Both teams missed out on Euro 08, the North came close in that qualifying campaign but the RoI were miserable.

Edgy DC
Nov 25 2007 03:05 PM

Sorry, that's what I was getting at.

metirish
Nov 25 2007 08:32 PM

For the qualifying campaign to go to the 1994 World Cup we were paired with them , Spain and Denmark being the heavyweights in that group along with Latvia and Albania IIRC, anyway we beat them 3 - 0 in Dublin and in our last game we needed to go to Belfast and get a result and IIRC we needed Spain to beat Denmark.

The atmosphere in Windsor Park that night was pure venom and hatred towards the Republic's team, they took the lead through Jimmy Quinn( cracking goal) and Alan McLoughlin scored a great goal for us to equalize and send us to USA 1994. Spain beat Denmark the same night.

Some people talk about an ALL Ireland team but I don't see it happening , Neil Lennon the former captain of the North's team retired because of the abuse he had to endure while playing for his country, he's catholic and at the time played for Celtic , clearly there is a long way to go before some people would want a team like that, probably get more support in the south for it.

Edgy DC
Nov 25 2007 09:25 PM

I think a friendly rivalry beats an uneasy alliance.

I think the Isle of Man should have a team. If Malta, why not Man? Think of the X-factor that third foot could bring to the European Cup.

duan
Nov 26 2007 05:20 AM

there isn't anything friendly about the rivalry on the part of our northern loyalist neighbours.

Edgy DC
Nov 26 2007 05:53 AM

Perhaps we should change that to a bitter rivalry beating a dysfunctional alliance.

But there was friendy back in, like ,1996, when (let's see if I rember this right) the RoI couldn't manage more than a tie against tiny Lichtenstein in trying to advance in the EuroCup, but an unexpected victory by the Northerners kept the Republic alive for a little longer.

duan
Nov 26 2007 06:35 AM

sorta, the beat austria, who had they won could have come ahead of us. However, it was more the six points we dropped to Portugal and Austria in two of our last three games in the group that made that necessary rather the the farcical affairs in Lichtenstein.
We ended up playing Belgium in a playoff to go through, drew 1-1 here and lost 2-1 over there in a game that i was at.