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Willets Point Jul 26 2006 10:41 AM |
With the World Cup thread fading to the archives, here's a new start to discussion of my third-favorite spectator sport. Here's the old soccer thread for reference purposes.
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Elster88 Jul 26 2006 12:24 PM |
[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/060719]The Sports Guy[/url] picks a team.
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Johnny Dickshot Jul 26 2006 01:50 PM |
That Sports Guy is all right. Was hoping he picked West Ham.
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Willets Point Jul 26 2006 01:54 PM |
My randomly picked favorite EPL team is Everton merely because a guy in the pub in Liverpool said I should support them. A lot less work than the Sports Guy and the beer was good too.
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ScarletKnight41 Jul 26 2006 01:57 PM |
Manchester City is the most Mets-like team to me.
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Elster88 Jul 26 2006 03:50 PM |
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My first instinct was to post this and say "Hey, nice life, buddy." Then I thought about what I did this morning.
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Willets Point Jul 30 2006 05:28 PM |
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Except that Manchester's a pit. They'd be more like a Cleveland Indians equivalent. The Mets should be matched with a team from London, England's most New York-like city. I suppose Arsenal would fit the bill since they have a Jose Reyes and play across town from a club that spends gajillions of dollars on players (Chelsea).
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metirish Jul 30 2006 05:31 PM |
I've been thinking about this, Manchester United have dominated since the early 90's but before that is was Liverpool that won everything, they have won the most league titles but none in 15 yeras, maybe the Mets are like Everton the other Liverpool team, they last won the league in 1985, they have a very loyal fanbase and absolutly hate Liverpool.
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Farmer Ted Jul 31 2006 09:49 AM |
Good to see Dickshot hasn't fallen off the West Ham bandwagon yet. Go Hammers!
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metirish Aug 14 2006 10:59 AM |
Randy Lerner the owner of the Cleveland Browns has bought a controling interest in Aston Villa.
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Willets Point Aug 14 2006 11:02 AM |
From what I understand, Villa fans were at the breaking point with ownership of the club. They'll probably find it bittersweet that an American is taking over.
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metirish Aug 14 2006 11:07 AM |
At this stage they ill be happy that a person with money has bought the club,the last chairman was terrible, Deadly Doug was his nickname becasue he'd hire and fire coaches every year it seemed,Lerner being American has not caused any fuss so far.
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MFS62 Aug 14 2006 11:13 AM |
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Tottenham Hotspur.
That makes them sound like the Braves to me. Later
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Willets Point Aug 14 2006 11:18 AM |
Kind of like the Braves but with 7 more championships in the same period of time. I guess since the Premier league has no postseason, ManU can't lose in it.
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metirish Aug 14 2006 11:21 AM |
A guide to the 06/07 season.
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A Boy Named Seo Aug 18 2006 10:32 PM |
Happy Opening Day!
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metirish Aug 21 2006 07:05 PM |
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metirish Aug 29 2006 07:38 PM |
http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,,1859991,00.html
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Willets Point Aug 29 2006 07:53 PM |
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That's a unique phrase I've never seen before.
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Willets Point Sep 01 2006 12:47 PM |
UEFA Cracks Down on Imaginary Card Wavers.
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metirish Sep 01 2006 05:52 PM |
Roy Keane - Legend...watch him chase the ref in this video.
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Giant Squidlike Creature Oct 03 2006 04:47 PM |
Bump.
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metirish Oct 03 2006 06:36 PM |
Glasgow Celtic beat Glasgow Rangers last week two to zip....go on the bhoys.
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MFS62 Oct 05 2006 09:44 AM |
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Willets Point Oct 10 2006 12:11 PM |
Jürgen Klinsmann gets a job offer from US Soccer!
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metirish Oct 29 2006 05:38 PM |
Damn good game going on right now in DC ,Red Bull NY and DC are tied at 1 in the second leg of the Eastern Semi-Final..al square on aggregate.
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metirish Oct 29 2006 05:59 PM |
DC pulls out the win in the 85th minute to take the series and move to the conference finals...great game of soccer and the atmosphere was electric...
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metirish Nov 09 2006 08:18 AM |
I love these blogs on the Guardian.....
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metirish Nov 09 2006 09:31 AM |
[url=http://football.guardian.co.uk/breakingnews/feedstory/0,,-6203434,00.html]Freddie Adu to Manchester United?[/url]
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Willets Point Nov 12 2006 08:50 PM |
metirish is ahead of me in reporting on Freddy Man AdU, so I'll just post that once again my MLS team the New England Revolution once again lost the cup final in extra time. If New Englanders cared about soccer the way they cared about baseball, there'd be talk of a curse.
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metirish Nov 17 2006 09:54 AM |
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metirish Nov 17 2006 09:55 AM |
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soupcan Nov 21 2006 01:24 PM |
So I go downstairs to get a sandwich (BLT on toasted rye) and as I'm waiting there is a TV tuned to ESPN2 which is showing a Man U. - Celtic game. No idea if it was live or not but if it was there was no score with either 27 minutes left or 27 minutes into the match. Don't know which. Anyway, I've got a coupla questions -
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metirish Nov 21 2006 01:34 PM |
Vodavfone bailed out on it's contract last year,AIG started it's sponsorship this season,it's typical for a team to have a tag inside the jersey saying for how many seasons they will wear that one before changes are made to it,it's a terrible scam as teams change about every 3 seasons,and they would have three diferent jerseys so this years Man U Home/away and third kit are all different.....Celtic in terms of support are right up there with any team in the world,the problem is they play in the Scottish League which basically is won every year by either Celtic or Rangers, the other teams in the league are just not any good,put it this way,the bottom feeders in the English Premeir league would be better than their Scottish counterparts.
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Willets Point Nov 21 2006 02:30 PM |
Has it ever been suggested that their be an all-Britain or all-UK league? I know the best Welsh teams already play in the English leagues. I don't see any reason for the top Scottish teams not to compete regularly with the top English teams. Well other than pride, separatism, and snobbishness but from a good football point of view there's no reason.
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metirish Nov 21 2006 02:36 PM |
Celtic and Rangers made some noise a few years back about joining the English Premier league,neither the English FA or the Scottish FA were pleased by it,what would happen the scottish league if they bolted...
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duan Nov 22 2006 03:13 AM |
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I've got a very complicated european pyramid that I'm just WAITING for UEFA to pay me a gazillion Euro to implement.
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metirish Nov 22 2006 05:32 PM |
Celtic 1 - Man Utd - 0
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Willets Point Nov 22 2006 07:43 PM |
With a name like that I gather that Nakamura is not a Celtic Celtic, unless he's really "Knock" O'Mura.
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metirish Nov 22 2006 08:49 PM |
That song is more associated with Liverpool fans ,I think the guy is from Liverpool,but Celtic like Liverpool have a very heavey Irish fanbase/history.....Celtics song is "Fields if Anthenry".....great song.....
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patona314 Nov 23 2006 05:47 AM |
how many americans actually play in major european leagues?... sorry for the dumb question. are there any american stars?
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MFS62 Nov 24 2006 04:56 PM |
On the way out of a Borders bookstore today and noticed a book called "National Pastime". The subtitle was "Why Americans Play Baseball and the Rest of the World Plays Soccer".
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metirish Nov 29 2006 06:38 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 29 2006 08:06 PM |
Stupid title and an old cliche......some great goals here...
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Edgy DC Nov 29 2006 08:03 PM |
I don't see great goals, but rather a frilly pimped out Irish tricolor.
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metirish Nov 29 2006 08:05 PM |
Damn..sorry..great goals here....
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metirish Nov 30 2006 05:15 PM |
Is this blog a wind-up?......I answered the guy.....
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metirish Dec 06 2006 12:06 PM |
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Ok,cen someone please tell me why that [sic][ is there....every time I see it in articles I wonder why.
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Nymr83 Dec 06 2006 01:25 PM |
[sic] means there is a typo in the document you are quoting, you are putting [sic] there to maintain the author's work as-is without making it look like you are the idiot who put a typo in there.
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Edgy DC Dec 06 2006 01:42 PM |
It's basically the Latin word for "thus," and editors and writers use it not just to suggest that the mistake their quoting isn't theirs, but simply that what apparently looks like a mistake is accurate, as if to soberly say "Yes, it is thus."
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Willets Point Dec 06 2006 02:45 PM |
And here I always though "sic" meant "spelled incorrectly."
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Frayed Knot Dec 06 2006 03:03 PM |
Sic Semper Tyrannus -- Thus Always to Tyrants
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metirish Dec 06 2006 04:20 PM |
Fasinating..thanks guys..
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metirish Dec 07 2006 11:58 AM |
I've often wondered about this,how come soccer style chants and singing are not part of american sports.....
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Edgy DC Dec 08 2006 07:55 AM |
Klinsman and the Americans fail to reach a deal.
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Willets Point Dec 08 2006 09:22 AM |
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Me too. I remember turning on a game from the 1998 World Cup (the first time I saw an international game on tv) and tens of thousands of spectators were singing in unison. I thought that was just awesome. I guess you can find examples of that in American spectator sports from the past such as the Red Sox Royal Rooters and their song "Tessie" which they sang to annoy opposing batters (sometimes modifying the lyrics to target particular players). When the song was rewritten in 2004 by the Dropkick Murphys the leader of the band imagined it would be sung by the fans during rallies, but it's just played over the PA speaker instead. The closest thing I've experienced are the fans of Cornell University's hockey team who have an incredibly coordinated series of chants and songs that their fans participate in during games. It's downright intimidating (especially when Cornell fans manage to outnumber home fans at a road game!). I've heard University of Michigan's hockey fans are similar, but otherwise I don't know of any examples of coordinated singing and chanting in the US on the level of European football.
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Willets Point Dec 08 2006 09:23 AM |
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Pooh. Of course, it was probably just a pipe dream that one coach would turn the American side into a world soccer power.
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metirish Dec 11 2006 10:42 AM |
West Ham United sacked their manager today....they took a hammering over the weekend at Bolton...4 - nil
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A Boy Named Seo Dec 11 2006 11:20 AM |
West Ham may suck, their Frodo-led firm will kick your firm's ass.
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metirish Dec 11 2006 11:38 AM |
Mixed signals out of Spain on Beckham,on the one hand Capello doesn't see him as worthy of first team selection and the team is stalling on a new contract,then the Real President says last week that they want Becks for life...his missus spent last week in LA,the Brit tabloids saying she was house hunting.
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A Boy Named Seo Dec 11 2006 11:50 AM |
LA Times reported that bit on Posh house-hunting, as well. I think it would create some kind of attendance surge here, but you're right, less so for his soccer abilities and more so for his rock starishness.
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metirish Dec 11 2006 11:57 AM |
FSC is my fave,love watching Sky Sports at 7PM every night,yeah and the game yesterday was a cracker...it's what the english game is all about...Wenger had a right to be pissed off at the Chel$ki goal,Cole had fouled the Gunners player in the lead up to the goal,ever get a chance to listen to Sheffield United manger Neil Warnock,he's a riot.
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A Boy Named Seo Dec 11 2006 02:58 PM |
Sky Sports is great. The EPL coverage is awesome, and I love the tortured NFL coverage (something like "The Baltimore Ravens of the AFC North bettered the Chiefs of Kansas City by 20 points to 10"). Then cricket comes on and I have no idea what the hell they're talking about or what any of the numbers mean.
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metirish Dec 11 2006 07:45 PM |
Yes I love the NFL round up,if you watch the scroll on the bottom you will see that they often have the team names wrong..the Detriot Tigers got beat by Green Bay....if you get a chance watch when they have two fans doing commentry on a game of the week...classic..
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Edgy DC Dec 11 2006 08:07 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 11 2006 08:10 PM |
Good for him. There are so many Ghanaians in Utah.
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metirish Dec 11 2006 08:09 PM |
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By that I am guessing you mean that DC were tied to the Adu contract?.....IIRC he was the highest paid player on the team if not the league.
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Edgy DC Dec 11 2006 08:17 PM |
Of course.
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metirish Dec 11 2006 08:19 PM |
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Great point,in a way I feel bad for the kid,if he were on a team in Europe he would not even be able to sign a pro contract because he's too young,but here he was 14 I think...
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metirish Jan 11 2007 08:43 AM |
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Holy crap....
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Willets Point Jan 11 2007 08:55 AM |
Sounds like a good deal. Beckham gets to finish his career near Hollywood and MLS gets a superstar that will give them some credibility a la Pele for NASL. I don't know if I like the designated player rule though. Maybe as a temporary measure, but I think in a few years they should reevaluate it.
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Edgy DC Jan 11 2007 08:57 AM |
MLS looking a little more like NASL.
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metirish Jan 11 2007 09:06 AM |
The thing is that Beckham is not the type of player that will run rings around others like Best or Pele did,reports in the British media have the deal worth $250...crazy money.
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Edgy DC Jan 11 2007 09:11 AM |
Neither Best nor Pele were running too many rings any more by the time they hit the NASL.
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metirish Jan 11 2007 09:18 AM |
Fair point,I suppose my point is that Beckham at his best was never any where near what Best and Pele were,if Beckham were a baseball player he'd be a DH..he's a one dimensional player....
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Willets Point Jan 11 2007 09:18 AM |
Lets hope they learned the lesson of NASL. That league was able to briefly gain legitimacy and a fan base before they overexpanded and collapsed in on themselves. The MLS hopefully will find a way to grow without killing themselves.
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Willets Point Jan 11 2007 09:38 AM |
Another designated player on the way from Europe to the US, but this one is American. Claudio Reyna former US National Team captain is joining the New York MLS franchise.
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duan Jan 12 2007 03:11 AM |
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There's no credibility in signing David Beckham. He's a show pony that's lost his mane.
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Johnny Dickshot Jan 12 2007 04:51 AM |
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Shhhh.
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soupcan Jan 12 2007 07:37 AM |
The $250 mil includes endorsements.
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duan Jan 12 2007 09:58 AM |
"The league probably made all their money back today if you consider how much all these international newspaper front pages are worth."
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Edgy DC Jan 12 2007 10:12 AM |
Point one: The NASL was a failure.
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soupcan Jan 12 2007 10:21 AM |
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Maybe in Europe, but right now they're selling to Americans and what they need most is interest. This gets that for them. Today, everybody in Europe and the U.S is talking about Beckham, the Galaxy, the MLS, the money, etc., etc. 'There's no such thing as bad publicity' They've got everybody's attention now. Its what they do with all that attention from this point on that will be fascinating to watch and possibly make or break this league.
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metirish Jan 12 2007 10:41 AM |
A typical article from Britain on Becks and I suppose Americans...
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soupcan Jan 12 2007 11:55 AM |
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What MLS has going for it moreso than the NASL did is that they have the advantage of knowing how and why the NASL died. They are trying to get to where the NASL was at its peak and go from there. If they can get there and avoid the mistakes that were made then, I think this league could be huge. From what I've read the Galaxy seem to be the MLS version of the Cosmos. In my opinion this league is on the right track. If you are just a soccer fan and want to watch good soccer played in college stadiums by players who were good college players then I can understand your disapproval with the way they are running the league. A league like that though won't make anybody any kind of significant money and whether you agree with it or not, that means that no one would be interested in starting or maintaining it. However if you would like the U.S. to have a league that can play the level of soccer that Latin America and Europe play then you have to accept this move as a step toward that goal. In order to get to that level the MLS needs revenue. Fans provide the money. To get the fans in, interest has to be generated. The signing of Beckham, if nothing else, generates interest.
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Edgy DC Jan 12 2007 12:02 PM |
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I don't think that's true.
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soupcan Jan 12 2007 12:12 PM |
The good players go where the money is.
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Edgy DC Jan 12 2007 12:17 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 12 2007 01:11 PM |
Or you grow good players, grow interest, grow money, and spend it on other good players, grow more interest. The TV contracts come with the demand.
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soupcan Jan 12 2007 12:49 PM |
Yeah, theoretically your way could work too.
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Edgy DC Jan 12 2007 12:58 PM |
The players moving on would bring the teams back transfer fee revenues, which could then be reinvested in securing a broader and deeper second-generation talent base. Or, better yet, they stick around and grow with the league if they believe in it's potential. Let them buy into the franchises like early baseball stars.
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Willets Point Jan 12 2007 01:05 PM |
I don't really think it's one or the other. Beckham joining the MLS in 2007 is a good thing. The other strategies Edgy suggests can be done concurrently. Then five-ten years from now the MLS may be signing stars in their prime.
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metirish Jan 12 2007 01:11 PM |
Edgar Davids apparently on his way to FC Dallas...he was a more than good player in his day.
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duan Jan 15 2007 07:40 AM |
and in fairness to Davids, he can still actually kick lumps outa people like the best of them. Whereas El Becks is a complete girl.
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metirish Jan 15 2007 07:27 PM |
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Sly Stallone was at thh Everton game over the weekend....
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duan Jan 16 2007 11:36 AM |
what was much more worrying than Rocky's appearance was Kevin Doyle straining his hamstring. He'll only be out for 4 weeks though, so it's not a disaster AND it possibly increase the chances of the 18 year old wunderkid Anto Stokes (no relation - but he's actually friendly with my little brother) getting a call up.
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metirish Jan 16 2007 11:39 AM |
Anto Stokes has to be a Dub with a name like that....fill us in on him....
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duan Jan 16 2007 01:04 PM |
yup, he's from Lucan, went to templeogue college and goes out with a girl who was in my brothers class.
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metirish Jan 16 2007 01:13 PM |
Now I remember hearing about him on FSC...apparently Roy Keane was a big factor in him choosing Sunderland...
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Edgy DC Jan 29 2007 09:18 AM |
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Here's a fun article from my local urban alternative weekly about Johan Cruyff's tenure in America: Foreign Diplomat
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metirish Jan 29 2007 09:46 AM |
Good stuff,Franz Beckenbauer of course was a defender,although brillaint going forward,Cruyff is one of the all time greats,top five ever.....
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Edgy DC Jan 29 2007 10:11 AM |
Yeah, they dropped that. Giorgio Chinaglia also wasn't a European star, which is why they were able to get him while he was young enough to star over here much more than the actual (but aged) Euro-stars.
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duan Feb 01 2007 09:51 AM |
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Here's the thing, I agree with that statement BUT THEN I GO whom I leaving out of my top 5 of Pele, Maradonna, Platini, Beckenbauer & Baresi ? And that's with no Maldini & Moore or Puskas. Who'd you reckon - I reckon if you pushing ONE of my 5 you go with Beckenbauer. I know people might suggest Baresi but was the best defender in the world for 10 years, played at the highest level till he was 37, won six serie A titles, 3 European cups and got bronze & silver medals at the world cup. (He has a winners medal from '82 but didn't actually play.). Agh decisions, decisions, decisions.
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Edgy DC Feb 01 2007 10:00 AM |
Diego's peak play didn't last too long, did it?
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Willets Point Feb 01 2007 10:02 AM |
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Maybe, but what a peak.
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metirish Feb 01 2007 10:06 AM |
I know what you mean,choosing a top 5 ever is no easy task and I would think most would only agree with 2 players for sure....my 5 for what that's worth
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metirish Feb 03 2007 04:09 PM |
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A terrible day in Italy.....
it looked like Belfast during the "troubles"......terrible. [/list]
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Edgy DC Feb 03 2007 04:18 PM |
Great move.
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metirish Feb 06 2007 06:19 AM |
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Not satisfied with giving out huge contracts in baseball Tom Hicks will now be doing tHe same at Liverpool FC...
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duan Feb 08 2007 04:19 AM |
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Diego Maradonna in the 1982 world cup played very well for argentina in 5 games until getting sent off in Argentina's 3-1 defeat against Brazil. He was 22 and it was these performances (as well as those for Boca). that lead him to be being bought by Barcelona for a world record fee. in the 1986 world cup virtually single handedly (and in one particular incident that anyone Irish loved actually single handedly!) won the world cup for Argentina. The were a very average team, with only 3/4 genuine quality players. in the 1990 world cup dragged an even poorer Argentinien team to the final. Club wise he was the key component of the below " Napoli won their only Italian Championships (1986/87 and 1989/1990), a Coppa Italia (1987), a UEFA Cup (1989) and an Italian Supercup (1990). Napoli were also runners-up in the Italian Championship twice, in 1987/88 and 1988/89." For the 80's and 1990, Maradonna was possibly the greatest player in the world (Platini being his only rival). His body started to fail him, riddled with cortisone and cocaine as patchwork remedies to physical injuries and mental weaknesses, at that point but don't say he didn't last long.
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duan Feb 08 2007 04:25 AM |
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I thought of Big Paul, he was a fantastic footballer, really fantastic. When he was fit & together he would wrestle that best defender in Europe mantle of Baresi & Maldini, it's just a pity his knees gave him such trouble. I'm STILL NOT sure though if he was even Ireland's greatest player. I think Johnny Giles, Liam 'Chippy' Brady & Roy Keane all lay claim to that as well. I go through phases in thinking each of them were the greatest.
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Edgy DC Feb 08 2007 05:56 AM |
The 1990 World Cup was a huge dissapointment. Argentina advanced by playing for ties, uncharacteristally for them, and a few times knocking teams out in penalties.
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metirish Feb 08 2007 07:17 AM |
The 1990 WC was a terrible Cup, Maradonna did set up the goal that beat Brazil in the round of 16,a great run from his own half before setting up Claudio Caniggia for the games only goal,he missed the penalty against Yugoslavia in the quater final,the fianal was a terrible game.
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MFS62 Feb 08 2007 07:36 AM |
Soccer team valuations.
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Edgy DC Feb 08 2007 08:06 AM |
Yeah, I can't take away his set up of Caniggia.
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metirish Feb 08 2007 08:11 AM |
I'm not positive but IIRC it was after that Cup that they outlawed the blatent pass back to the "keeper,where he could just pick the ball up every time.
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metirish Feb 08 2007 08:53 PM |
The talk outta Europe is that Zidane is close to signing for Red Bull NY,he was at the Knicks game last night......so you never know.
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Willets Point Feb 08 2007 09:00 PM |
Makes sense. He's into ramming people with his head like bulls do.
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metirish Feb 08 2007 09:07 PM |
It does make sence for NY though,Zidane could probably walk into any team in europe right now,which begs the question why would he want to play at MLS standard,Sky Sports said that the rumored deal will be worth millions to Zidane.
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A Boy Named Seo Feb 09 2007 09:36 AM |
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Neat to look at, but the data's almost 2 years old now. Bet Chelsea's value and revenues are way up while their debt is probably still nothing. Arsenal's value, revenue, and debt are probably up now that they're playing at the Emirates. For a little perspective, Liverpool's value is listed at $370 million dollars, while the rumored Dubai sale that fell through was for almost $900 mils. The Galaxy would have to crack this list now, no?
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A Boy Named Seo Feb 09 2007 10:20 AM |
In another MLS attempt to globalize, the Colorado Rapids are supposed to announce today some kind of [url=http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=407740&cc=5901]partnership with Arsenal[/url]. As they're essentially becoming their American AA team, the Rapids are also rumored to be changing their team colors and their name to either "Arsenal Colorado" or "Colorado Arsenal", leaving soccer fans all over the world to wonder which name is gayer. NBA-D League team Anaheim Arsenal thinks the former is totally gayer.
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Farmer Ted Feb 09 2007 10:43 AM |
The weird thing about the Colorado Arsenal/Arsenal Colorado is that the Rocky Mountain Arsenal was once located outside of Denver. It was chemical weapons plant before it was shut down due to environmental concerns. It was just short of Love Canal levels of toxins. They've been trying to clean that mess up since 1987 and turned into a wildlife refuge. I think that the club is trying to build a stadium near there.
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metirish Feb 09 2007 10:56 AM |
Ted,that's great information,I'm going to use that when some bloke at the Guardian blogs about this partnership.
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A Boy Named Seo Feb 09 2007 04:28 PM |
New look, same name, which is a good thing, I think.
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metirish Feb 15 2007 08:10 AM |
Classic Nike ad.....
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metirish Feb 15 2007 08:21 AM |
soccer tricks gone wrong.
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duan Feb 15 2007 09:00 AM |
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yeah but needs must and all that. They were a poor team that he and Caniggia were the only shining lights. the fact that they both like the nose candy didn't help and all, but they (Diego and Claudio) had style and the ability to win games. Boring football's only boring if you don't have any personal investment in it. God help any neutral who sat through Ireland's 4 games before we played italy.
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Edgy DC Feb 15 2007 09:06 AM |
Well, we Yanks usually lose our personal investment by the round of 16.
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duan Feb 16 2007 04:39 PM |
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good stuff!!! There are rough and ready all right!!! Didier Drogba's a lion too.
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Farmer Ted Feb 16 2007 05:31 PM |
I'm still on the West Ham bandwagon per Dickshot.
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metirish Feb 16 2007 06:29 PM |
The Hammers are in serious danger of getting demoted this season..
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A Boy Named Seo Feb 20 2007 01:44 PM |
Arsenal and Dutch powerhouse PSV Eindhoven are on ESPN2 right now, no score at half. The announcers said the Philips Stadium in Holland has seat warmers. Neat.
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MFS62 Mar 01 2007 08:07 AM |
World Cup to the US?
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A Boy Named Seo Mar 06 2007 09:58 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Mar 06 2007 10:03 AM |
Anyone catch that West Ham/Tottenham game this weekend?
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Johnny Dickshot Mar 06 2007 10:03 AM |
Friggin West Ham. Remember that British guy Ash who used to post about the Mets? I took up supporting the Hammers upon his recommendation.
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metirish Mar 06 2007 10:12 AM |
West Ham are finished,the dressing room is in shambles with player cliques all over the place and wide spread gambling among groups of players,it has come out this week that some players have won and lost up to 50 grand on bus trips to away games,Anton Ferdinand recently went to South Carolina to celebrate his birthday,told the club he was going to visit his grand mother on the Isle of White....I just watched the goals on youtube....looked like a cracker of a game.....plus today it came out that West Ham fans were chanting racist songs during the game, one fella posted it on youtube....since taken down.......
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A Boy Named Seo Mar 06 2007 10:30 AM |
Yeah, I do remember him. That was a while back, huh? Was he even on this board?
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Edgy DC Mar 06 2007 10:36 AM |
I thought Ash had a brief career as a Crane Pooler. But I just checked the old place and found no ashen registrants.
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Johnny Dickshot Mar 06 2007 10:44 AM |
He took off in the summer of '01 to hike the Himalayas or something and that was that.
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metirish Mar 29 2007 11:02 AM |
If you are ever in Amsterdam be sure to catch Abdullah,he's a legend and rumor has it that he does this for money to get his fix....
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Willets Point May 02 2007 03:39 PM |
The national team of Ireland have a couple of friendlies coming up in New Jersey and Foxboro. Are you going metirish?
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metirish May 02 2007 05:46 PM |
Don't know yet,just read the other day that they will be playing Ecuador at Giants Stadium,not a fixture to get the blood boiling.
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Willets Point May 03 2007 05:49 AM |
I know what you mean. I'm debating whether it's worth buying a pricey ticket to see Ireland play Bolivia.
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metirish May 03 2007 09:09 AM |
If Shane Long is in the squad I probably will go,he's from near me in Tipperary,don't know him but know the family.
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metirish May 21 2007 10:10 AM |
I'll not be going to this game,the number of senior internationals absent is over twenty ,most pulled out through injuries or family commitments,I can't blame them for not wanting to go to the US for two crap games when the off-season is so short for them.
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Edgy DC May 21 2007 10:20 AM |
Notihing Irish in his bio: http://und.cstv.com/sports/m-soccer/mtt/lapira_joseph00.html
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Frayed Knot May 23 2007 12:24 PM |
Can one of you soccer geeks explain this UEFA stuff to me?
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Willets Point May 23 2007 12:40 PM |
You've got three different tournaments going on concurrently.
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metirish May 23 2007 12:51 PM |
FK ,basically the UEFA Champions League used to be called the European Cup,the winners of each National League were entered the following year to the European Cup,the champions of smaller countries like Ireland went to a pre-qualifier to get into the tournament proper,so really you could say that the team that won the European Cup was the champion of Europe.
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Frayed Knot May 23 2007 12:55 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 23 2007 12:57 PM |
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More or less. So a team like Chelsea could win England's FA Cup but either not participate in UEFA, or make it there but get knocked out at some point along the way? Meanwhile, UEFA finalist Liverpool could win this pan-Euro championship even without winning their own?
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Willets Point May 23 2007 12:57 PM |
Yup.
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metirish May 23 2007 01:02 PM |
Chelsea because they came second in their league are in the Champions League next season,even though they won the FA Cup they will not enter that competition,england will send a different team.
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Kid Carsey May 23 2007 02:38 PM |
SPOILER BELOW:
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duan May 23 2007 03:36 PM |
comment below spoiler.
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Kid Carsey May 23 2007 03:49 PM |
That's pretty funny (to me at least).
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metirish Jun 05 2007 09:32 AM |
Funny thing might happen before the mightily over rated Beckham gets to play for LA,they could be all but finished ,they are joint bottom of the Western Conference with Real Salt Lake,LA has one win in seven games.
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A Boy Named Seo Jun 05 2007 03:11 PM |
Aging Claude Makelele from Chelsea thinking about following Becks to America because he's in his mid-30's, got lots of talent in midfield at Chelsea pushing him, and he figures he'd get to play international ball without the hassles he got from Jose Mourinho.
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metirish Jun 11 2007 09:31 AM |
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Reports from Europe are that Real Madrid have approached LA Galaxy about buying Beckham out of his contract,they now want him to stay at Real,apparently there is an escape clause in his contract,Beckham's camp say he will honor his LA contract .
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Willets Point Jun 12 2007 02:10 PM |
But his wife is pitching for the Dodgers.
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A Boy Named Seo Jun 12 2007 03:18 PM |
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Unreal. That's a super idea, but there's no way that will work.
Think of how bad the Mets would suck if fans ran the show.
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metirish Jun 17 2007 06:45 AM |
Just posting this because I think it's a great picture...
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metirish Jun 19 2007 07:05 AM |
Alexi Lalas has got a lot to say.
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A Boy Named Seo Jun 19 2007 11:13 AM |
Calling the Prem inferior is not the way to get peeps to think your league is necessarily better.
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Rotblatt Jun 19 2007 01:45 PM |
I thought Lalas was pretty sly there. I mean, he made me a lot more likely to stop when I flip past an MLS game on the tv . . . And that was his point, right?
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metirish Jun 19 2007 02:00 PM |
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I suppose that's what he was at,getting some publicity for MLS,he is right though about how MLS is written about in England,it's dismissed as a joke league by most,mickey mouse league is often what it's called.
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Frayed Knot Jun 19 2007 02:25 PM |
Sounds like Lalas is saying that the Premiere League has become a league of a few elites supplemented by a bunch of also-rans to the point where the talent level as a whole in the MLS is much closer to that back in England at least in part because it's spread out more evenly.
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metirish Jun 19 2007 05:14 PM |
Since the Premier League was formed in the 1992/93 season four clubs have won it,Manchester United (9), Arsenal (3),Chelsea (2) and Blackburn Rovers one time.
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A Boy Named Seo Jun 19 2007 08:48 PM |
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I think you could say that's already happened. Billionaires like Roman Abramovich and Tom Hicks are moving in and buying up Prem teams. Like Irish said, the elite 4 right now are Chelsea, Man U., Liverpool, and Arsenal. It sounds like Arsenal might now be selling to billionaire American Stan Kroenke (owns the Denver MLS team). The payrolls and revenues on those clubs are way bigger than the rest in the Prem and while you may have a bottom-feeder, in danger of relegation team like West Ham step up and pop one of the big ones (Chelsea and Arsenal both this year) once in a while, basically teams like those scrape to stave off relegation. Most of the others try to hang in and qualify for EUFA Cup, win other lesser tourneys like the Carling Cup, and maybe if they're lucky, sneak in the top 4 and qualify for Champions League, but that's way tough to do. So there is clearly is disparity in money and talent distribution, but I don't know that that makes the MLS any better. Brian McBride was a superstar in MLS and has become a great player for Fullham. It wasn't instant, but it can happen. I just think we need to see more dudes do it.
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metirish Jun 20 2007 07:03 AM |
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Agree with Seo,a few things though,Premier League clubs are flush with new TV deal money,that especially helps the smaller clubs,it's estimated that getting back into the premier league will be worth Sunderland 60 million sterling,that's just to start with....and there are plenty of American players playing all across Europe to great success,and are hugely popular with fans.
I always thought the Flushing area would be a great place for a soccer team...
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Edgy DC Jun 20 2007 07:13 AM |
If there was anything sadder than the size of the crowds who came out to see Joe Torre's New York Mets at Shea in the late seventies, it was the size of the crowds that came out to Shea to see Rodney Marsh's New York Apollo.
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Frayed Knot Jun 20 2007 07:18 AM |
Yeah, I saw that mentioned a couple of days ago somewhere - although w/o the confirmation from Jeff.
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metirish Jun 20 2007 07:20 AM |
My idea though would be a new stadium ,playing in old Shea would be a mess and Randall's Island is a mess to get to,never heard of the NY Apollo.
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Edgy DC Jun 20 2007 07:31 AM |
Funny to bring up Marsh --- who became famous in recent years for being held to a promise to shave his head if something unlikely happened --- and then go over to the main forum and see that Blyleven is in the same bind.
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metirish Jun 21 2007 06:06 PM |
Pele born in 1940
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A Boy Named Seo Jun 22 2007 03:40 PM |
After weeks of speculation, Thierry Henry is apparently [url=http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=440822&cc=5901]headed to Barcelona[/url] in a straight cash transfer - $32 mils to Arsenal.
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metirish Jun 22 2007 05:04 PM |
One of the problems with getting into massive debt building a new stadium is having to sell players.....and no small thing either is the leaving of David Dein a few months ago,he was Vice-Chairman of the club and a staunch ally of Wenger.
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A Boy Named Seo Jun 23 2007 08:34 AM |
Yeah, Thierry publicly bitched about Dein's departure, which I never really understood, and now maybe AW's looking beyond next year. Cesc may not be too far behind...
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metirish Jun 23 2007 09:15 AM |
Plenty of American intrigue to boot.
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A Boy Named Seo Jun 23 2007 04:31 PM |
That does shed some light on the Dein thing. Today he spoke and said Wenger's uncertainty played a huge role, too. The whole thing sucks.
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metirish Jun 25 2007 10:33 AM |
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California resident and World Cup winner Frank Leboeuf.
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A Boy Named Seo Jun 27 2007 09:59 AM |
Beckham plays football with Reggie Bush...
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metirish Jul 12 2007 09:45 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 12 2007 09:54 PM |
Beckham gets unveiled Friday in LA,Alexi Lalas says there have already been over a quater milllion "units" ordered of Beckhams shirt.....and guess what,the new LA Galaxy shirt looks a whole lot like Real Madrids....
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Johnny Dickshot Jul 12 2007 09:47 PM |
Isn't Becks like, always #7?
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metirish Jul 12 2007 09:53 PM |
Beckham took #23 when he was sold by Man United to Real....like Jordan of course.....here's the bottom line on Beckham,he's a decent player when on a good team,great at free kicks and not a bad passer of the ball...really though the Galaxy team is utter rubbish.
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A Boy Named Seo Jul 13 2007 09:46 AM |
What the hell's the deal with Herbalife? Vitamins? Snake oil? Who and what?
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Willets Point Jul 13 2007 09:50 AM |
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Willets Point Jul 14 2007 10:09 AM |
I just realized I'll actually be in LA on the day of Beckham's Galaxy debut versus Chelsea. I would look into going but I'd be worried about getting to LAX in time for my flight home.
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A Boy Named Seo Jul 14 2007 11:09 AM |
Carson's 15 minutes from LAX. You're golden. Getting a ticket, though...
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Willets Point Jul 14 2007 11:28 AM |
I checked. It's sold out.
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metirish Jul 14 2007 02:47 PM |
I read where everything has jumped in price at the stadium,long time season ticket holders are not happy.
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metirish Jul 15 2007 07:35 AM |
Might help if you have seen the movie "Down Fall" and know your soccer.
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A Boy Named Seo Jul 15 2007 07:32 PM |
Work from home! Make loads of cash!
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A Boy Named Seo Jul 19 2007 12:22 AM |
I ended up going to the Chelsea/Suwong game last night. A friend of mine's a big Chelsea guy and we met a bunch of other Chelsea supporters before the match for a party right outside the stadium. It was $20 to get in, but they had bottomless Stella and Heineken, sandwiches and chips, and lots of singing by drunken Blues fans.
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Edgy DC Jul 19 2007 05:43 AM |
Didier Drogba rocks my world.
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metirish Jul 19 2007 07:04 AM |
Seo,was the Galaxy game on as well?,I read that game was brutal,the Galaxy team is being described by the Brit media as a pub team... |
duan Jul 19 2007 08:53 AM |
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Didier Drogba's a freakin beast of a man. He does fall over hilariously though, but that's all part of the theatre. He's as hard as nails when it matters.
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A Boy Named Seo Jul 19 2007 11:46 AM |
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Yeah, Los Tigres from Mexico, I think, we're busy blasting Galaxy 3-0 in the lid-lifter (5:00PM) but we skipped it to hang at the Chelsea party whose game didn't start til 8PM. The Galaxy are pretty terrible, but they're selling lots of Beckham shirts, so who gives a crap! Drogba's incredible, but he does flop more than Vlade Divac. Chelsea ran out new guys Florent Malouda and Steve "Ginger" Sidwell. United better work out this Tevez thing NOW!!! because Chelsea's stacked again.
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metirish Jul 19 2007 12:34 PM |
Man United and Chelsea are favorites to win the prem,don't think Chelsea are any more stacked than Man U .
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A Boy Named Seo Jul 19 2007 01:06 PM |
Yeah, it sounds like Robben's off to Real. Not a favorite of Jose, but I thought he was great off the bench. He's listed as 23 but looks like a 40-year old science teacher.
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metirish Jul 19 2007 01:16 PM |
Yep,they kissed and made up,one of the problems here is that RA hates the way Chealsea play,they really don't play an attractive style,it's effective but after spending all that money he openly wonders why they can't play with more style.
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Edgy DC Jul 19 2007 01:19 PM |
Didier in full foul performance:
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A Boy Named Seo Jul 19 2007 01:31 PM |
Poor Didier looks like he's been speared by a gigantic, invisible harpoon.
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metirish Jul 19 2007 01:37 PM |
The funny thing about Arsenal is that for years they were known for being " long ball merchants " hoofing the ball long to a target man,then Wenger changed that.
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metirish Jul 20 2007 11:47 AM |
Manchester City manager Sven-Goran Eriksson and assistant manager Tord Grip stretch before training......funny
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metirish Jul 29 2007 11:51 AM |
Congratulations to Iraq for winning the Asian Cup beating Saudi Arabia 1 - 0.
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metirish Jul 31 2007 09:26 AM |
Freddie Adu set to join Benfica,a great move for him IMO,he'll be a better player for it in a few years.
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Willets Point Jul 31 2007 10:52 AM |
If you're like me and have to look it up, Benifica is one of the dominant clubs in the Portuguese League.
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metirish Jul 31 2007 10:57 AM |
One of the great European teams,Eusbio is probably the best known player to have played for them,fanatical fans,big European nights.Should be a great place for Adu to mature.
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metirish Aug 02 2007 09:20 AM |
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A Boy Named Seo Aug 02 2007 12:33 PM |
Holy F.
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Farmer Ted Aug 02 2007 01:27 PM |
Ball Hog.
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Willets Point Aug 02 2007 02:20 PM |
A nine-year old in the Man U Academy gets to hang out with Wayne Rooney? Shouldn't Rooney be making the kid polish his boots or something like that?
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A Boy Named Seo Aug 08 2007 08:03 PM |
Willets- I'm hoping to drag my friend to a Boston bar to watch Opening Day Arsenal/Fullham on Sunday morning. I've found a handful of [url=http://msn.foxsports.com/soccer/story/5120122]choices[/url] on FSC's site. Been to/heard of any of these?
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Edgy DC Aug 08 2007 08:05 PM |
The bar I went to the other day to catch the Mets had Galaxy on another set, with a "Beckham-Cam" in the corner of the screen showing him sitting down in a suit and tie.
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A Boy Named Seo Aug 08 2007 09:13 PM |
He's a handsome guy, David Beckham.
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metirish Aug 09 2007 09:21 AM |
Playing in D.C. tonight,no word yet on weather he'll actually be playing.
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Willets Point Aug 09 2007 09:43 AM |
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If a Red Sox game happens to be on that time, you can forget about any chances of seeing soccer. With that cavaet, here are the pubs I've been to... Kinsale, McGann's, Phoenix Landing, and Plough & Stars (Irish Embassy has been closed for years, this list is way out of date). McGann's probably is most likely to be showing English football, although I know they sometimes charge a cover for the privilege. Probably if you're nice to the Irish bartender you could get him to tune it in at any of these places, but I wouldn't expect it to be on if you don't request it. What time EDT does the game start? Boston bars aren't likely to be open early on Sunday morning either.
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metirish Aug 09 2007 09:54 AM |
The prem starts on Saturday with FSC showing three games starting at 10AM
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A Boy Named Seo Aug 09 2007 10:35 AM |
Thanks. It's a noon start time in England, which looks like 7AM in Boston. Cleared that Sox hurdle then, huh? There's a handful of bars in LA and Long Beach that cater strictly to soccer guys and open up for breakfast and beer so I thought I might find similar out there. I'll call some of those and see.
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A Boy Named Seo Aug 09 2007 10:36 AM |
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Setanta looks awesome, but I can't justify the 14 bucks for one stupid channel.
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metirish Aug 09 2007 10:51 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 09 2007 05:42 PM |
Seo,I can't view Setanta here at work but they are the ones that bring the prem to the USA,I think you are talking about viewing it online?...anyway I thought that there would be a list of pubs on the site that shows the soccer.
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Willets Point Aug 09 2007 11:18 AM |
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Massachusetts has some strict Blue Laws compared to California so calling first is a good idea.
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Edgy DC Aug 10 2007 12:24 PM |
So we had 47,000 fans out for Beckham last night, on day that began with a miserable heat index which turned into a torrential rain.
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A Boy Named Seo Aug 10 2007 05:02 PM |
He looked pretty good, too. He set Donovan up perfectly on that 30 or so yard lead pass. Donovan got mauled and a penalty probably should've been called but wasn't. How many times did that dude take his shirt off during the match? MLS must've snuck that in Beck's contract, too.
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metirish Aug 15 2007 07:00 AM |
Beckham will play tonights game at home to DC United...meanwhile Roy Keane goes on a classic rant about WAGS(wives & girlfriends)
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Willets Point Aug 15 2007 08:22 AM |
Beckham stiffs Foxborough and gets a rant in the Boston Globe. This article also mentions WAGS, a term I've never heard before, so it's coincidental that irish just posted about the same thing.
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Johnny Dickshot Aug 15 2007 08:34 AM |
We should turn Wifey Watch into a $$-making opportunity before someone else does.
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Willets Point Aug 15 2007 08:40 AM |
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You're right, it's not sleazy enough as it is now.
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metirish Aug 15 2007 08:41 AM |
That Globe article just about sums up Beckham and the WAG culture in European football,especially England,the Keane rant is getting kudos from just about anyone over there that cares about the game.
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Willets Point Aug 15 2007 08:46 AM |
Maybe football players should marry intelligent women who actually want to work for a living, or do charity or something.
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metirish Aug 16 2007 04:41 AM |
Beckham scored a trademark free kick in lasts night game against DC,also had an assist.
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Willets Point Sep 08 2007 10:04 AM |
Germany v. Greece
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Willets Point Sep 10 2007 08:22 AM |
Women's World Cup 2007 began today with Germany trouncing Argentina.
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metirish Sep 10 2007 01:28 PM |
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This does not surprise me.
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metirish Sep 19 2007 09:14 PM |
WOW...WOW..
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Edgy DC Sep 19 2007 10:52 PM |
US Chicks on their way?
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Willets Point Sep 19 2007 11:06 PM |
They play England in the quarterfinal on Saturday. They'll have to watch out for Jess Bhamra and Jules Paxton.
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A Boy Named Seo Sep 20 2007 12:23 AM |
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Crazy. I'd read he and Roman had a big dust up after Chelsea's draw in CL on Tuesday. The timing couldn't be worse for this. Kinda funny actually.
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Willets Point Sep 22 2007 07:20 AM |
USA up 3-0 over England in the 60th minute.
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Frayed Knot Sep 27 2007 09:25 PM |
U.S. team gts smushed 4-0 by Brazil in the semis.
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Edgy DC Sep 27 2007 10:02 PM |
Her end-of-year evaluation is not going to give her high marks on being a team player.
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metirish Sep 29 2007 09:43 PM |
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Good call Edgy,no hope for Solo as she is kicked from the team.
I like the decision by the coach.
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Frayed Knot Sep 30 2007 04:49 AM |
Solo, who's a lot younger than Scurry and therefore you assume has the better future, may have yapped her way off of the 2008 Olympic Team.
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metirish Oct 15 2007 05:04 PM |
One of the great enigmas of world football was brilliant for Argentina over the weekend in world cup qualifiers, Juan Romn Riquelme hasn't played for his spanish club side in months but it'd not stopped the Argentine coach from building his team around him.
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metirish Nov 07 2007 11:56 AM |
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Interesting story developing in Ireland.
The IFA is the governing body for Northern Ireland, the FAI for the Republic. http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2007/1107/eligibility.html
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 12 2007 07:54 AM |
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I just want a pair of them checkerboard-style soccer shorts. Can't find em anywhere. They could be the retro product of the year.
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Edgy DC Nov 12 2007 07:59 AM |
Hate to see the Umbro brand disappear.
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metirish Nov 21 2007 11:57 AM |
Umbro have made some classic jersey's over the years,here is a link to the top 50 kits ever( all makers) from the London Times.
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duan Nov 21 2007 04:13 PM |
there's NOTHING funnier then when engerland fall flat on their face. needing only a draw at home against Croatia to qualify for the European Championships next summer, England managed to go 2-0 down after 20 minutes. They then lucked their way back to 2-2 only to capitulate 3-2 in the end.
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metirish Nov 21 2007 04:41 PM |
Listened to the football show on Newstalk 106 during the game, very funny to hear them on about the game, while I am thrilled they got beaten and won't be going the Euro finals won't be as much fun without them, only one thing better than tonights result and that's watching Engerland lose in the quater finals.
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duan Nov 22 2007 10:39 AM |
yeah know Barry very well. He came up to here as a young whipper snapper! He won a competition we did on Jo-Maxi (remember that?) and managed to get a full time gig out of it.
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metirish Nov 23 2007 09:14 AM |
It's hilarious to listen to what's going on in England, O'Neill has ruled himself out, would love to see them go with Shearer.
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metirish Nov 25 2007 01:42 PM |
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No need for me to book a holiday in South Africa in 2010, tough group RoI are in.
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Edgy DC Nov 25 2007 01:53 PM |
How many times has Northern Ireland qualified in the past? Is this the first time that the Republic of Ireland and the Statelet of Northern Ireland have qualified in the same year?
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metirish Nov 25 2007 02:01 PM |
Sorry, the above is the qualifying draw for the 2010 World Cup to be held in South Africa. The group winners will go to South Africa, the eight best runners-up into play-offs for the remaining four places.
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Edgy DC Nov 25 2007 03:05 PM |
Sorry, that's what I was getting at.
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metirish Nov 25 2007 08:32 PM |
For the qualifying campaign to go to the 1994 World Cup we were paired with them , Spain and Denmark being the heavyweights in that group along with Latvia and Albania IIRC, anyway we beat them 3 - 0 in Dublin and in our last game we needed to go to Belfast and get a result and IIRC we needed Spain to beat Denmark.
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Edgy DC Nov 25 2007 09:25 PM |
I think a friendly rivalry beats an uneasy alliance.
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duan Nov 26 2007 05:20 AM |
there isn't anything friendly about the rivalry on the part of our northern loyalist neighbours.
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Edgy DC Nov 26 2007 05:53 AM |
Perhaps we should change that to a bitter rivalry beating a dysfunctional alliance.
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duan Nov 26 2007 06:35 AM |
sorta, the beat austria, who had they won could have come ahead of us. However, it was more the six points we dropped to Portugal and Austria in two of our last three games in the group that made that necessary rather the the farcical affairs in Lichtenstein.
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