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SteveJRogers Jul 27 2006 10:44 AM

Can a tragic home accident truely undo all the good a man does in his lifetime? ]ScarletKnight41 wrote: That wasn't the question at hand. You asked, "How can you not like Mo?" I can easily dislike someone who is so blithe with the safety of those who live and work on his property. If you can look past that, that's your concern. But don't expect others to think or feel the same way. So building churches and plans to be a minister in Panama is "Hitler painted" to you. How would this be any different than God forbid someone in your home getting electrocued by an exposed wiring?

ScarletKnight41 Jul 27 2006 10:53 AM

You've made the leap from "how can you not like Mo?" to not liking Mo being "Hitler painted?" And you don't see a difference between intentionally having an electrified pool and a short circuit? Whatever, Dude.

SteveJRogers Jul 27 2006 11:02 AM

Spend a few days in Latin America. Its not all Aruba and Bahamas and other resort driven islands. Severe protection is needed, and not Beverly Hills/Hamptons "Keep gawkers and poperazzi away" protection. Johnny Cash once learned the hard way in Jamacia. Theres a reason missionaries go to Panama, Venezuala, Guatamala, ect Like I said, does a tragic accident undo all the good a person does in his life. This isn't Chappaquiddick, this isn't a woman found dead under mysterious circumstances in a player's home/hotel room. Show me any shred of evidence that whispers and innudeno exist pointing to criminial negligance on Mo's part and then I'll soften my stance.

SteveJRogers Jul 27 2006 11:03 AM

Show me evidence of a wrongfull death lawsuit brought up against Mo as well

Yancy Street Gang Jul 27 2006 11:11 AM

She said she doesn't like him. She didn't say he was evil incarnate. And you don't protect your property by electrifying your swimming pool! How is that going to stop anybody from breaking into your house? All it accomplishes is that it kills anybody who goes into your swimming pool. Again, it doesn't mean Rivera is evil, it means he's a dope who doesn't like people in his pool and took foolish and extreme measures to keep them out, and people died as a result. I think that's a good enough reason not to like him. And why did you bring this into the Red Light Forum? Nobody was getting hostile on this point, it was just a simple disagreement. But since you brought it here, I might as well mention how I'm continually astounded about how clueless you seem to be about just about everything. What's up with that?

ScarletKnight41 Jul 27 2006 11:14 AM

Since when does electrifying a swimming pool equate protecting one's home? And do you honestly believe that the lack of a court filing means that he is not legally responsible for the electrocution of two people (including a 14-year-old) on his property? It isn't foreseeable that when you electrify a swimming pool that you are putting human lives at risk? Nothing about any of this convinces me that the man is likable.

Yancy Street Gang Jul 27 2006 11:17 AM

If that had happened in the United States, he'd have been sued all over the place.

ScarletKnight41 Jul 27 2006 11:19 AM

You can't build a pool in the United States without all sorts of fencing to prevent people from accidentally accessing the pool without your knowledge.

Yancy Street Gang Jul 27 2006 11:24 AM

I think there's a waiver for people who paint churches in Panama.

metsmarathon Jul 27 2006 01:20 PM

all matters of familial electrocution aside, why do you have to like a certain player just because he's great? that's just dumb. aren't the two generally independent of each other? shouldn't they be? a cursory google search for "mariano rivera pool electrocution" returns the following link: http://www.cbc.ca/story/sports/national/2004/10/11/Sports/rivera_yankees041011.html with included quote: "According to Puerto Caimito police, a suspended electrical cable fell into the pool while the younger Avila was in the water. His father died trying to save him." the pool was not electrified intentionally, at least as per this article, which had the most info i could find in about 5 minutes. so unless other info came out later, the assumption of malfeasance on the part of mo rivera is relatively unfounded. wires fall in third world countries, i guess. maybe rivera should've paid more attention to the maintenance of his grounds, but its not like the guy was liekly to've spent much time at the house in the preceding 6 months or so. in america, he would've had his pants sued off of him, bcause he's famous and rich, and he would have lost the suit, because he's famous, rich, and the accident is tragic. but i have a hard time finding him at fault, at least not on the basis of anything i've read today. but that doesn't mean you have to like him. or should like him. or that he's not one of the better modern relievers. good people do bad things. bad people do good things. and accidents happen, to good and bad people alike.

SteveJRogers Jul 27 2006 01:21 PM

ScarletKnight41 wrote: You can't build a pool in the United States without all sorts of fencing to prevent people from accidentally accessing the pool without your knowledge. You sure about that? I've seen fences that can easily be scaled in suburbs of New York and New Jersey. Get a good pair of wire cutters and you can get into pools in Florida. Hell get something that picks an easy lock and you have a free shot of swimming in a pool without the knowledge of the homeowner

SteveJRogers Jul 27 2006 01:28 PM

="metsmarathon"]all matters of familial electrocution aside, why do you have to like a certain player just because he's great? that's just dumb. aren't the two generally independent of each other? shouldn't they be? My points more the opposite, theres no reason this should be used to DISlike him as if he meant it to happen. ]i guess. maybe rivera should've paid more attention to the maintenance of his grounds, but its not like the guy was liekly to've spent much time at the house in the preceding 6 months or so. I could be wrong, but this may have been the same thing that he had contractor issue with a few years earlier. He was selected to an ASG but couldn't go because of some issue with contractors in Panama. ]but that doesn't mean you have to like him. or should like him. or that he's not one of the better modern relievers. good people do bad things. bad people do good things. and accidents happen, to good and bad people alike. Fair points, but people on this board equate it with Mariano being a murderous scumbag of children and puppies when the only correlation I can find is the lyrics to his entrance song

SteveJRogers Jul 27 2006 01:31 PM

Also I think part of it comes from whats known about Mariano off the field makes it seem difficult to find fault in him I guess. If this was Pedro's place in the DR maybe I'd have a different opinion.

ScarletKnight41 Jul 27 2006 01:34 PM

marathon - that's very different from the reports at the time, which spoke of the pool being electrified to keep dogs out and, alternatively, of there being an electrified fence around the pool. Neither of these possibilities seem to have been designed with safety in mind. I was searching for our discussion of this incident when it happened. Unfortunately, I think it was lost in the cybertsunami. It's a shame, because I recall CF making some very compelling points about the situation that were in opposition to the press' depiction of Rivera as a victim. ]You sure about that? Yes. I'm sure. The exact requirements vary from town to town, but there is no place in the New York Metropolitan area that will let you install or maintain a pool without fencing. A pool is considered an attractive nuisance under the law, and the homeowner has to take affirmative steps to keep people away from it.

ScarletKnight41 Jul 27 2006 01:38 PM

] Fair points, but people on this board equate it with Mariano being a murderous scumbag of children and puppies when the only correlation I can find is the lyrics to his entrance song THAT was CF's tag line that came out of the discussion! It was brilliant. And, btw, where did I say any of these things in my posts on the subject? I have said that I don't like him, and that he was careless with the health and safety of those on his property. I said nothing about his entrance music, and frankly it didn't even come to my mind until you just mentioned it. Stop pulling things out of your ass and attributing them to other people - it makes your specious arguments less compelling than they already are. Meanwhile, you can't seem to accept the fact that Mariano Rivera isn't universally beloved in these parts. Just because you seem to be able to find his warm and cuddly side doesn't mean that other people are going to look at him the same way that you do. Live with it.

SteveJRogers Jul 27 2006 01:55 PM

ScarletKnight41 wrote: ] Fair points, but people on this board equate it with Mariano being a murderous scumbag of children and puppies when the only correlation I can find is the lyrics to his entrance song THAT was CF's tag line that came out of the discussion! It was brilliant. And, btw, where did I say any of these things in my posts on the subject? I have said that I don't like him, and that he was careless with the health and safety of those on his property. I said nothing about his entrance music, and frankly it didn't even come to my mind until you just mentioned it. Stop pulling things out of your ass and attributing them to other people - it makes your specious arguments less compelling than they already are. Meanwhile, you can't seem to accept the fact that Mariano Rivera isn't universally beloved in these parts. Just because you seem to be able to find his warm and cuddly side doesn't mean that other people are going to look at him the same way that you do. Live with it. Points taken, and I didn't mean to attribute everything to you, more of a general CPF thing

Elster88 Jul 27 2006 02:14 PM

]"According to Puerto Caimito police, a suspended electrical cable fell into the pool while the younger Avila was in the water. His father died trying to save him." the pool was not electrified intentionally, at least as per this article, which had the most info i could find in about 5 minutes. so unless other info came out later, the assumption of malfeasance on the part of mo rivera is relatively unfounded. wires fall in third world countries, i guess. maybe rivera should've paid more attention to the maintenance of his grounds, but its not like the guy was liekly to've spent much time at the house in the preceding 6 months or so. This makes a lot more sense.

Elster88 Jul 27 2006 02:17 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 27 2006 02:21 PM

SteveJRogers wrote: ="ScarletKnight41"]You can't build a pool in the United States without all sorts of fencing to prevent people from accidentally accessing the pool without your knowledge. You sure about that? I've seen fences that can easily be scaled in suburbs of New York and New Jersey. Get a good pair of wire cutters and you can get into pools in Florida. Hell get something that picks an easy lock and you have a free shot of swimming in a pool without the knowledge of the homeowner Give me a freaking break. Your response is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. Can you really be that stupid? Do you really not understand that Scarlet was explaining you have to put a fence around your pool? She wasn't saying you have to make it impenetrable to human beings. She's saying you have to put fencing up to keep someone accidentally accessing your pool. If someone cuts a wire or PICKS A LOCK, it's not the fault of the owner.

Willets Point Jul 27 2006 02:20 PM

Not here for the flame war, but Connecticut circa 1987. We had an above-ground pool. The walls of the pool were considered fencing as long as we took the ladder out when not in use. If we had an in-ground pool then we would have also had to build a fence. The pool owner is responsible for anyone who is injured or dies in the pool if you don't follow these regulations. At least in CT in the late 1980's.

metirish Jul 27 2006 02:26 PM

This should help for people in NY..... http://www.dos.state.ny.us/code/pdf/pool.pdf

seawolf17 Jul 27 2006 02:37 PM

Can someone call Panama and get the requirements for safeguarding pools? Thanks.

metirish Jul 27 2006 02:39 PM

I called and the line is busy, Steve probably calling and hogging the line.

cooby Jul 27 2006 03:08 PM

SteveJRogers wrote: ="ScarletKnight41"]You can't build a pool in the United States without all sorts of fencing to prevent people from accidentally accessing the pool without your knowledge. You sure about that? I've seen fences that can easily be scaled in suburbs of New York and New Jersey. Get a good pair of wire cutters and you can get into pools in Florida. Hell get something that picks an easy lock and you have a free shot of swimming in a pool without the knowledge of the homeowner Exceedingly glad you don't live near me and my pool if that is how your mind operates. Though I suppose I could sue you for property damage, since we're throwing lawsuits around

KC Jul 27 2006 04:00 PM

What was that old mofo sig line about chess pieces and nice shiny plastic?

metsmarathon Jul 27 2006 04:26 PM

="SteveJRogers"] ="ScarletKnight41"]You can't build a pool in the United States without all sorts of fencing to prevent people from accidentally accessing the pool without your knowledge. You sure about that? I've seen fences that can easily be scaled in suburbs of New York and New Jersey. Get a good pair of wire cutters and you can get into pools in Florida. Hell get something that picks an easy lock and you have a free shot of swimming in a pool without the knowledge of the homeowner i think somebody needs a vocabulary lesson... Main Entry: 1ac·ci·den·tal Pronunciation: "ak-s&-'den-t&l Function: adjective 1 : arising from extrinsic causes : INCIDENTAL, NONESSENTIAL 2 a : occurring unexpectedly or by chance b : happening without intent or through carelessness and often with unfortunate results Entry Word: accidental Function: adjective Text: happening by chance <finding the gold was all the more remarkable because its discovery was entirely accidental> Synonyms casual, chance, fluky, fortuitous, inadvertent, incidental, unintended, unintentional, unplanned, unpremeditated, unwitting Related Words coincidental; freak, odd; aimless, arbitrary, desultory, haphazard, random; uncertain, unexpected, unforeseeable, unforeseen; coerced, forced, involuntary; unconscious, unexpected, unprompted Near Antonyms certain, destined, expected, fixed, foreordained, foreseeable, foreseen, inevitable, predestined, predetermined, predictable, preordained, prescribed, sure; conscious, freewill, knowing, unforced, voluntary, volunteer, willful (or wilful) Antonyms deliberate, intended, intentional, planned, premeditated

SteveJRogers Jul 27 2006 05:37 PM

Yeah, yeah yeah. BTW, whats SK's actual problem with Jeter again? Something to do with Turn2 refusing to do something with MK's school or something?

ScarletKnight41 Jul 27 2006 05:48 PM

SteveJRogers wrote: Yeah, yeah yeah. BTW, whats SK's actual problem with Jeter again? Something to do with Turn2 refusing to do something with MK's school or something? What's with you and all of this love for MFY's? I suddenly have to justify disliking Captain Intangilbes too? Are you sure you don't mean to be posting on a Yankees board instead?

SteveJRogers Jul 27 2006 05:55 PM

ScarletKnight41 wrote: ="SteveJRogers"]Yeah, yeah yeah. BTW, whats SK's actual problem with Jeter again? Something to do with Turn2 refusing to do something with MK's school or something? What's with you and all of this love for MFY's? I suddenly have to justify disliking Captain Intangilbes too? Are you sure you don't mean to be posting on a Yankees board instead? I know there was a story involved I was just curious, again aside from his ego being so damn inflated that it makes him an overatted captain I don't see why if the Mets got him that Met fans wouldn't embrace him (well unless he played like Vince Coleman, Juan Samuel, ect)

ScarletKnight41 Jul 27 2006 06:00 PM

The closest thing to a story, which has nothing to do with my general dislike of the man, is that when my Cub Scouts had a writing project a few years ago, they didn't get a response from him. A-Rod, OTOH, did send autographed photos to the kids, FWIW. ]again aside from his ego being so damn inflated that it makes him an overatted captain You seem very predisposed to looking the other way when MFYs are involved. Again, are you SURE you don't mean to be posting on one of their boards instead?

Yancy Street Gang Jul 27 2006 06:51 PM

Don't try to figure out where he's coming from, Scarlett. I think there's a simple answer: he's nuts.

SteveJRogers Jul 27 2006 06:57 PM

Yancy Street Gang wrote: Don't try to figure out where he's coming from, Scarlett. I think there's a simple answer: he's nuts. Well at least the MFY Short Stop doesn't have two children out of wedlock and at least the MFY Third Baseman isn't having compromising pictures of himself and his teammates acting like the 20 year old frat boys they are show up on deadspin.com or other places.

Iubitul Jul 27 2006 07:19 PM

At 6:34 pm: ]Something to kick around on an off night, get my mind off of other boards: At 6:57 pm: ]Well at least the MFY Short Stop doesn't have two children out of wedlock and at least the MFY Third Baseman isn't having compromising pictures of himself and his teammates acting like the 20 year old frat boys they are show up on deadspin.com or other places. I guess you couldn't get your mind off of "other boards"

mlbaseballtalk Jul 27 2006 07:23 PM

Cue sappy Willie Nelson "You were always on my mind" song

Iubitul Jul 27 2006 07:32 PM

Thanks - now I can't get that song out of my head Why I outta...

metsmarathon Jul 27 2006 10:23 PM

there are all sorts of good reasons to like and/or dislike ballplayers and other celebrities who are nt real people in our lives (says the guy to an internet board full of people he's never met) and who we will never come to really know, and its all meaningless. does it really matter if SK doesnt like somebody she's never met and doesn't know? no more so than that you like somebody you've never met and don't know. whatever reasons you both have are your reasons, and again, its all really just meaningless, because celebrities are not real people in our lives. which leaves me to ask, sjr, why the heck do you even care?

SteveJRogers Jul 27 2006 10:35 PM

metsmarathon wrote: there are all sorts of good reasons to like and/or dislike ballplayers and other celebrities who are nt real people in our lives (says the guy to an internet board full of people he's never met) and who we will never come to really know, and its all meaningless. does it really matter if SK doesnt like somebody she's never met and doesn't know? no more so than that you like somebody you've never met and don't know. whatever reasons you both have are your reasons, and again, its all really just meaningless, because celebrities are not real people in our lives. which leaves me to ask, sjr, why the heck do you even care? I honestly have no clue anymore. I suggested Mo was a Yankee I would like to see on the Mets, didn't say it but on the basis of what he's done off the field and that he's a different kind of guy than your "average" ballplayer. You could like the guy is where I was going. The point of this thread was more questioning can all the work Mo has done be completly obliterated by one tragic accident that he may, or may not be fully culpable for. Its been pointed out that Mo was probably not as "guilty" as everyone here wants him to be, and Panamanian security demands is quite different than it is here in the States. Apparantly for some like SK it can, and somehow that point got lost in a shuffle Clearly its not a mysterious accident or some woman found dead in his home/hotel room which is why I questioned the harsh treatment Mo has gotten from SK, CF and others in this forum over it. And as you said its a complete detached situation. If SK or CF were relatives or friends of the victims then yes I could see the harshness. I really don't know what I was looking for, maybe some sort of link to a smokinggun.com piece linking Mo to the purchase of a substandard contractor and Mo's wife's cousin's family being hushed up and quietly receiving a huge settlement for their quietness to kind of answer why Mo gets looked upon harshly for one very tragic incident Steve

ScarletKnight41 Jul 27 2006 10:38 PM

Harshness? Tell me what I said that you consider harsh. Quote it.

cooby Jul 27 2006 11:00 PM

While you're at it tell us what happened to Johnny Cash in Jamaica cos I'm dying to know

SteveJRogers Jul 27 2006 11:16 PM

="cooby"]ANd then tell us what happened to Johnny Cash in Jamaica cos I'm dying to know There is a much more detailed version of the story in Cash's autobiography "Cash: The Autobiography" (how original is that) but here is a quick version curtesey of [url]http://home.nyc.rr.com/alweisel/usjohnnycash.htm[/url] Your house in Jamaica was robbed in 1981. What happened that night? We were sitting down to Christmas dinner, and suddenly three robbers came in—one with a gun, one with a knife and one with a hatchet—and told us to hit the floor. As it turns out, all three of those men are dead now. They were put in prison. I don't know how they died. It's not easy for a convict to stay alive long in Jamaica. We were terrorized for three hours.They searched the house and locked us down in the cellar. I took a two-by-four after they left and broke the door down. But the police caught them. I really wasn't scared. Except, I was uneasy when the one with the gun held it on my son. I guess I was scared, but I wouldn't let myself show it. While Johnny and his immediate family (wife June and son) would still call it a Port of Call for the rest of his days (I think the family sold it after his passing) his sister would never return after that ordeal. Upshot the Cashes would increase their own private security down there. IIRC It was assumed that one of the men died while trying to be captured and the other two died in jail

SteveJRogers Jul 27 2006 11:17 PM

ScarletKnight41 wrote: You've made the leap from "how can you not like Mo?" to not liking Mo being "Hitler painted?" And you don't see a difference between intentionally having an electrified pool and a short circuit? Whatever, Dude. Actually the Hitler Painted comment was more towards what Mariano has done with ministry work in Panama

SteveJRogers Jul 27 2006 11:19 PM

="ScarletKnight41"]Since when does electrifying a swimming pool equate protecting one's home? And do you honestly believe that the lack of a court filing means that he is not legally responsible for the electrocution of two people (including a 14-year-old) on his property? It isn't foreseeable that when you electrify a swimming pool that you are putting human lives at risk? Nothing about any of this convinces me that the man is likable. Okay, now that I think about it, I take back saying that it was harsh. I really need to RMPL!

Yancy Street Gang Jul 28 2006 07:37 AM

Especially the PL part.

cooby Jul 28 2006 10:00 AM

]Except, I was uneasy when the one with the gun held it on my son. Uneasy? Cripes.

Edgy DC Jul 28 2006 11:24 AM

What was clear in his autobiography is that, while they may have briefly held the gun on his son, the initial primary hostage they took was actually his (then young) son's friend, saying, "Do what we say, or we'll kill John Carter," having (1) mistaken the wrong kid for his son, and (2) indicated that they had done some research about who they were robbing. He made clear in the passage that he could tell the men were drug addicts, being one himself, and was trying to remain calm and give them enough to keep them in clover and get them out of there as soon as possible. I wrote about this in my memories of Cash on the old board (I think). It was funny how cool he comes across in his own account. Johnny also seemed to imply that he got the impression that the Jamaican authorities made a point of deliberately killing the bandits as an apology to a guy whose presence brought money and publicity to the island. I think the house was the former Barrett estate of the family of Elizabeth Barreet Browning. *** I think Steve's a good guy. He's just overexcited. A lot of more populated sports boards have people competing for attention and he's perhaps used to that dynamic. This one is less populated and hopefully asks for more refection. I think also in a small community the personalities can loom large, and we can fall into being more concerned with the people's personalities than their ideas. Just speculating.

KC Jul 28 2006 11:48 AM

Yeah well in keeping with our unintentional but oft applied use of good cop/ bad cop administration techniques, I think the boy is a colossal pain in the tuchus and needs to tone it down a bit.

Yancy Street Gang Jul 28 2006 12:01 PM

I agree with both of you. I think he's a good guy, but also a pain in the butt who needs to tone it down a bit. More thinking and reading, less posting the first thing that pops into his head. He's kind of like a friendly puppy who's always buzzing around underfoot. You don't want to kick him out of your way, but at the same time you DO want to kick him out of your way.

metirish Jul 28 2006 12:19 PM

I don't rememeber Steve being like this when he posted as mlbbaseballtalk, he should go back to that name.

Edgy DC Jul 28 2006 12:28 PM

]Yeah well in keeping with our unintentional but oft applied use of good cop/bad cop administration techniques, I think the boy is a colossal pain in the tuchus and needs to tone it down a bit. "Listen Steve, you better start cooperating with me. I don't know how long I can keep my partner in there calm." "That's calm?" "You don't know my partner."

Yancy Street Gang Jul 28 2006 12:45 PM

SteveJRogers Jul 28 2006 01:17 PM

="Yancy Street Gang"] Think this guy gives Sip a run for his money

Yancy Street Gang Jul 28 2006 01:35 PM

I don't know the little guy below Dennis Franz. It's funny how we can talk about Steve when he's right here in the room, and he doesn't even seem to hear us.

metirish Jul 28 2006 01:38 PM

I think that's the guy from Homicide.

seawolf17 Jul 28 2006 01:42 PM

metirish wrote: I don't rememeber Steve being like this when he posted as mlbbaseballtalk, he should go back to that name. Didn't it start a few months ago, when he just kinda went crazy, posting some rant about how baseball was dead? Then he suddenly developed this schizophrenia, and it's all been crazy ever since.

SteveJRogers Jul 28 2006 01:43 PM

Yancy Street Gang wrote: I don't know the little guy below Dennis Franz. It's funny how we can talk about Steve when he's right here in the room, and he doesn't even seem to hear us. Who said I don't hear you I think I'm beyond mea culpas and should just tone down my over the top opinion posts

Willets Point Jul 28 2006 01:43 PM

I think Steve is a wonderful man.

seawolf17 Jul 28 2006 01:46 PM

Willets Point wrote: I think Steve is a wonderful man. Nobody ever said he isn't wonderful. He just might be crazy.

SteveJRogers Jul 28 2006 01:47 PM

Yancy Street Gang wrote: I don't know the little guy below Dennis Franz. It's funny how we can talk about Steve when he's right here in the room, and he doesn't even seem to hear us. Frank Pembelton, played by the underated Andre Braghuer, Homicide: Life On The Steet about the Baltimore, MD Homicide ran on NBC (usually Fridays) in the mid 90's to 2000

Willets Point Jul 28 2006 02:01 PM

seawolf17 wrote: ="Willets Point"]I think Steve is a wonderful man. Nobody ever said he isn't wonderful. He just might be crazy. Sorry, this is a reference to before your time. Someone should come up with a symbol for that like OMR (Old Metsonline Reference).

seawolf17 Jul 28 2006 02:04 PM

Willets Point wrote: ="seawolf17"] Willets Point wrote: I think Steve is a wonderful man. Nobody ever said he isn't wonderful. He just might be crazy. Sorry, this is a reference to before your time. Someone should come up with a symbol for that like OMR (Old Metsonline Reference). (sigh) /forgets he's not really part of the old guard

Willets Point Jul 28 2006 02:09 PM

But you're commander of the Young Guarde!

cooby Jul 28 2006 02:12 PM

I don't get it either

KC Jul 28 2006 02:22 PM

cooby needs:

Willets Point Jul 28 2006 02:47 PM

I once got Ginkoba but I kept forgetting to take it.

Centerfield Jul 31 2006 02:28 PM

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=Sports&id=2243251 That's a link to a story more in line with what we were hearing at the time. It contains the following quote: The Daily News reports the pool was wired by a caretaker to keep two pet rotweilers from jumping in. The water was electrified by a metal rod. The article I remember reading took it one step further, which was to say that the caretaker was doing so on Rivera's orders. Hence my objection to the portrayal of Rivera as a victim. Afterwards, there were some conflicting reports...including the "live wire falling into the pool" version...but the cynic in me believes that was PR. Besides, that first article had some pretty damning quotes if I remember correctly. Anyway, my point was that the electrifying of the pool was portrayed as being necessary because Rivera had a problem with neighboring dogs trespassing and jumping in. And I say electrifying a pool doesn't seem to be as likely to keep a dog out of a pool as much as it does to fry a dog once it's in there. (If he really just wanted to keep them out, there are other ways. Like, you know, a fence.) Part of me wonders whether he did that to "teach his neighbors a lesson". I don't know. Anyway, not a great idea if you ask me. However, this bad idea becomes a terrible idea when you consider you have kids in the area that could possibly end up in the pool. If that were here in the US, not only would he have been sued, he would have been charged with negligent homicide. And in light of all this, just because he plays baseball and is beloved in this town, people tried to paint him as a victim, or worse, a hero. When his justification could essentially be boiled down to "It wasn't supposed to electrocute my nephews, it was designed for my neighbor's dog." And that is why I object to people simply writing it off as "an accident". By using that term, you absolve fault...but any idiot can see not all accidents are created equally. A guy who crashes his car because his steering malfunctions isn't the same as a guy who crashes his car because he's had too much too drink and is driving 40 over the limit. So to answer your question, no I don't dislike him because of an "accident". I dislike him because he displayed such a callous disregard for others that he instituted property defense measures aimed at causing harm to animals and where it was reasonably forseeable that harm could result to neighboring kids. I don't dislike him because of an accident. I dislike him because of reckless decision making. Now, maybe there is an explanation for all this...it's not like anyone ever questioned him about it. Other than the people on this forum, no one seemed to have a problem with his behavior. But if there is, I haven't heard it yet. And even if there is, he's still a mother fucking yankee. Isn't that reason enough?

Elster88 Jul 31 2006 02:32 PM

It's possible that the electric fence was around his property, or the pool area, the way a normal electric fence is set up. Then somehow, the wire found it's way into the pool. That makes a lot more sense to me. I can't imagine someone would electrify their pool intentionally. Then again, I have a brain.

ScarletKnight41 Jul 31 2006 02:46 PM

CF - I love ya, man. You once again summed up the situation eloquently.

Yancy Street Gang Jul 31 2006 02:52 PM

Another reason to be pissed at ezBoard: as I remember it the thread where we discussed this event was an instant classic. How are they coming along on that data restore, by the way? I stopped looking for updates from them over a year ago.

Edgy DC Jul 31 2006 02:59 PM

]It's possible that the electric fence was around his property, or the pool area, the way a normal electric fence is set up. Then somehow, the wire found it's way into the pool. As wires don't have wills, that scenario also smells of serious negligence.

SteveJRogers Jul 31 2006 02:59 PM

Centerfield wrote: So to answer your question, no I don't dislike him because of an "accident". I dislike him because he displayed such a callous disregard for others that he instituted property defense measures aimed at causing harm to animals and where it was reasonably forseeable that harm could result to neighboring kids. I don't dislike him because of an accident. I dislike him because of reckless decision making. Now, maybe there is an explanation for all this...it's not like anyone ever questioned him about it. Other than the people on this forum, no one seemed to have a problem with his behavior. But if there is, I haven't heard it yet. And even if there is, he's still a mother fucking yankee. Isn't that reason enough? My question was really more, does this one thing wipe away all the good that we (the public) know about Rivera and what he has done for his native Panama. Plus its clear that; A) Securitiy measures and crime is alot different in that part of the world than it is here and B) Apparantly Mo's wife's family is fine with the whole situation, and I assume so is the widow who also lost a child, and my questions where in a way hoping that someone would point me to a SmokingGun.com article or some evidence of hush money sent by Rivera, the Yankees, New York City, or whomever. Like you said, if this was the US Rivera would probably get his butt sued, but the US isn't Panama so there really is a difference between that neighboorhood and a neighboorhood in New Caanan CT, Scarsdale NY, Rumson NJ or any other US suburb you want to list Also the question is more wondering if it was Pedro Martinez's place in the DR would you feel the same way

KC Jul 31 2006 03:06 PM

This gonna get good, pass the popcorn.

Rockin' Doc Jul 31 2006 03:16 PM

The poor lads swimming with sharks and he doesn't even realize it.

ScarletKnight41 Jul 31 2006 03:40 PM

Steve - you make a whole lot of assumptions that you cannot back up with the slightest shred of evidence.

SteveJRogers Jul 31 2006 03:50 PM

ScarletKnight41 wrote: Steve - you make a whole lot of assumptions that you cannot back up with the slightest shred of evidence. Which is why I asked the questions in the first place

Yancy Street Gang Jul 31 2006 03:51 PM

I still don't understand how electifying your swimming pool keeps burglars out of your house.

seawolf17 Jul 31 2006 03:52 PM

If they get killed, they can't make it into the house, can they?

Yancy Street Gang Jul 31 2006 03:54 PM

Maybe he kept a nice selection of pool toys on display to lure the burglars to take a swim before breaking into the house. I shouldn't mock Mariano. He paints churches in Panama. AND he pitches for the Yankees! Gotta love the guy!

ScarletKnight41 Jul 31 2006 03:54 PM

Of course - every burglar goes for a swim on his way to rob a house! I forgot that.

ScarletKnight41 Jul 31 2006 03:57 PM

Yancy and SK once again have very high similarity rankings <g>

ScarletKnight41 Jul 31 2006 04:00 PM

]hoping that someone would point me to a SmokingGun.com article or some evidence of hush money sent by Rivera, the Yankees, New York City, or whomever. When it's properly done, one doesn't hear about such transactions. Hence, the name - HUSH money. And even without a blatant payoff such as that, one has to believe that these people are financially dependent on Rivera and, thus, have nothing to gain from killing the goose that lays the golden eggs.

ScarletKnight41 Jul 31 2006 04:02 PM

] Also the question is more wondering if it was Pedro Martinez's place in the DR would you feel the same way Aside from the pure hypothetical nature of this question, there would be the hypothetical response from Pedro. Would he make himself the victim, or would he own up to his responsibility for the safety of those on his property? This isn't merely a question of substituting a Met for a MFY.

Centerfield Jul 31 2006 04:04 PM

My question was really more, does this one thing wipe away all the good that we (the public) know about Rivera and what he has done for his native Panama. I'm not sure what you mean by "wipe away". No one has said he didn't do these things, or that he is a worthless piece of crap. The question was whether or not we liked Rivera. And one negative incident can be enough to make that determination. Ghandi, from everything I've heard, was a pretty good guy. But if he came up to me and said "Hey CF, I don't like your shoes" and then pissed on my feet, I would not like Ghandi. Plus its clear that...securitiy measures and crime is alot different in that part of the world than it is here I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. Are you implying that dogs are more dangerous in Panama than they are here? Apparantly Mo's wife's family is fine with the whole situation How on earth would you know this? Because this is what they say to the media? And are you implying that if the victim's family says it's ok, that they are the authority on this? Address the question Steve. If the pool was designed to electrocute dogs, is that ok? If he creates such a hazard around kids who might potentially go swimming, do you not see that as irresponsible? Put it this way Steve, what if I invited you to my pool party, laced some stuffed mushrooms with arsenic, then neglected to tell you about it even as they were being served? Would it seem reasonable if I explained to you while you were dying that the mushrooms were supposed to poison my neighbor's nosy cat who steals appetizers from my parties? Would you give a shit if I paid to have your church painted 3 years ago? and I assume so is the widow who also lost a child I don't know how you make that assumption. I mean honestly Steve. Read what you're writing. Does this seem like a reasonable assumption to make? and my questions where in a way hoping that someone would point me to a SmokingGun.com article or some evidence of hush money sent by Rivera, the Yankees, New York City, or whomever. Again, having trouble figuring out what you're talking about here. Like you said, if this was the US Rivera would probably get his butt sued, but the US isn't Panama so there really is a difference between that neighboorhood and a neighboorhood in New Caanan CT, Scarsdale NY, Rumson NJ or any other US suburb you want to list Are you saying what I think you're saying? That because it happened in Panama that makes it acceptable? Ok, same scenario as last time, except this time my pool party with the arsenic mushrooms is in Panama. Does that make it ok? Also the question is more wondering if it was Pedro Martinez's place in the DR would you feel the same way I wonder if you're getting confused by the wording of my message. Obviously, because it's a Yankee, I have more fun with my criticism, calling him an evil Yankee who kills puppy dogs and children for fun. These are jokes Steve. And since this seems to trip you up, I'll try to say this as plainly as I can. Because it's Mariano Rivera, a Yankee, it's fun to make jokes about his deplorable decisions because I hate the Yankees. But just because I make jokes about it, it doesn't mean I'm not being serious when I say he was irresponsible. If it were Pedro Martinez, I would think it is just as irresponsible as I do when it's Rivera. I just wouldn't joke about it because it's not fun for me to make fun of Mets.

ScarletKnight41 Jul 31 2006 04:12 PM

CF - once again, you said it way better than I ever could have.

metsmarathon Jul 31 2006 04:13 PM

man, i'd so much rather have a burgled house than crispy-fried people in my pool. how could you swim in there if you'd previously electrified a burglar, or even just a dog? that's just nasty! ew! maybe the pool circles the house, and is really a moat, and mariano has a super-cool drawbridge that only gets lowered for people he doesn't want to kill? or unless maybe the only way into the house is through the pool - like htere's a secret trap door, and every other entrance is fortified...? or.. um... that's all i got. really. how does an electrified pool keep burglars out? does it scare them: "dude, that guy electrifies his pool! that's whack! who knows what other crazy shit he's got in there protecting his house! no way i'm getting turned into the next Home Alone movie." i don't get it.... the more i think about it, the dumber it gets. if you want to try and exculpate the closer, start with an electrified fence getting knocked down by a freak weather event instead of the intentionally electrified pool scenario. and hte dude's got enough money that an accident in a third world country might not quite make it unscathedly through an official investigation without being cleanszed by a particularly well paid PR firm. as to your issue of wether or not good deeds can be wiped out by one bad deed, the answer is yes, absolutely, doing one bad thing can wash away ony good you've done in your life, ESPECIALLY in the public's eye, and especially when none of us actually know the person doing the good and bad things and therefore have no actual foundation upon which to base our opinion of him, except for reputation. on the whole, is rivera still a nice guy? a good guy? how the hell should any of us know? but good guys don't usually commit negligent homicide.

Elster88 Jul 31 2006 04:15 PM

Edgy DC wrote: ]It's possible that the electric fence was around his property, or the pool area, the way a normal electric fence is set up. Then somehow, the wire found it's way into the pool. As wires don't have wills, that scenario also smells of serious negligence. Yes. But it's better than intentionally electrifying the pool, no? I was thinking something along the lines of what marathon said: ]if you want to try and exculpate the closer, start with an electrified fence getting knocked down by a freak weather event instead of the intentionally electrified pool scenario.

Yancy Street Gang Jul 31 2006 04:19 PM

I wonder, does O.J. Simpson's little mixup with Nicole and her friend completely wipe out all the joy he gave moviegoers in The Towering Inferno? I love Steve's assuming that the widow had no problem with her husband and son being electocuted. That's about as stupid as anything I've ever read.

metsmarathon Jul 31 2006 04:21 PM

hey, don't forget hte naked gun!

SteveJRogers Jul 31 2006 04:23 PM

Yancy Street Gang wrote: I wonder, does O.J. Simpson's little mixup with Nicole and her friend completely wipe out all the joy he gave moviegoers in The Towering Inferno? I love Steve's assuming that the widow had no problem with her husband and son being electocuted. That's about as stupid as anything I've ever read. Oh for the love of... THIS WASNT TWO PEOPLE BEING SAVAGELY BUTCHERED IN THE GUYS LIVING ROOM! THIS WASNT SOME DEAD CRACK WHORE LYING IN THE GUYS BEDROOM OR HOTEL ROOM THIS WASNT MYSTERIOUS FUCKING CIRCUMSTANCES! THIS WAS ONE FUCKING ACCIDENT And yeah, I know it was an assumtion THATS WHY I FUCKING ASKED SINCE SHE WAS FUCKING THERE AND DAMN NEARLY GOT KILLED HERSELF. WOULDN"T SHE BE SHOWING UP ON SOME FUCKING BOTTOM FEEDING ENTERTAINSHIT PROGRAM SAYING MARIANO RIVERA MURDERED MY FAMILY? HUH? WOULDN"T SHE? THATS WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT Thats it, I'm done here

Yancy Street Gang Jul 31 2006 04:25 PM

Are you getting the impression that we're getting tired of your act, Steve?

metsmarathon Jul 31 2006 04:28 PM

]THIS WASNT MYSTERIOUS FUCKING CIRCUMSTANCES! then why the heck are we having so much trouble getting to the real story?

cooby Jul 31 2006 04:30 PM

What is the real story anyway? We have an electric pool pump, maybe he does too and there was a short circuit in it.

Elster88 Jul 31 2006 04:30 PM

I dunno why the hell we are talking about this anyway. It was used as a joke for the past year. Nothing new has happened since then. Where did this thread come from?

ScarletKnight41 Jul 31 2006 04:33 PM

The fact that criminal negligence is different from intentional homicide does not make either one of them likable Steve.

Elster88 Aug 01 2006 08:57 AM

I guess he really did split.

KC Aug 01 2006 09:46 AM

Hopefully, he's just taking a break. I don't think requests to "tone it down a bit" should be confused to mean "hit the road jack" -- but all our brains are wired differently I suppose.

Willets Point Aug 01 2006 09:52 AM

Time outs are good. I've given them to myself when I've gotten myself into too much of a lather. That being said, some of the mocking of Steve has been quite harsh IMHO, and could be interpreted as him not being wanted. I hope I'm wrong. This forum has too few participants as it is.

KC Aug 01 2006 10:20 AM

Having too few posters and pointing out to someone that he's a tad annoying are two totally different issues. He wanted attention, he got attention ... and now he's getting attention when he's not logged on. I'm not gonna dance around the bullshit if I can't at least call it bullshit.

ScarletKnight41 Aug 01 2006 10:47 AM

Willets Point wrote: That being said, some of the mocking of Steve has been quite harsh IMHO, There's that word again. Steve was engaged in behavior that was intended to draw a negative response (he admitted so much in various posts over the past few days) and, as Kase pointed out, Steve was looking to draw attention to himself. Mission Accomplished, IMO.

Elster88 Aug 01 2006 11:06 AM

I may have missed a few things, but I don't remember him trying to intentionally piss people off. For me his general pattern was annoying. He'd post something nonsensical, and then blame the radio, or general public, or whatever when challenged. That and his, what did he call them, "karma" posts were a pain. But like Willets said, he had a general enthusiasm for the game and the Mets, and was one of the more active members of the forum.

metirish Aug 01 2006 11:15 AM

I think he reached critical mass during an IGT over the weekend, kinda harmless but kinda annoying and sometimes kinda funny.

Yancy Street Gang Aug 01 2006 11:20 AM

He exhausted most of my tolerance for him that time he started about 40 posts, each titled with a single letter of the alphabet.

metirish Aug 01 2006 11:27 AM

Yes I remember that, but I think he posted them under a different name,not that it makes a difference.

metsmarathon Aug 01 2006 11:28 AM

ridiculous arguments tend to get mocked.

Elster88 Aug 01 2006 11:52 AM

Yancy Street Gang wrote: He exhausted most of my tolerance for him that time he started about 40 posts, each titled with a single letter of the alphabet. I didn't like that either, but once he got called out for it he apologized and never did it again.

KC Aug 01 2006 12:02 PM

Ya know something, fuck it ....

SteveJRogers Aug 01 2006 12:14 PM

If I'm not wanted, then I'm not wanted and I'm outta here. Don't think it was attention seeking, it was more trying to "fit" in with the goofiness of this board IGT the other day was more procastination than anything This thread wasn't an attention grabber either, it was supposed to be a thread about the merits of what we know about one person and how one thing can wipe all that away. Its like if I said I'd rather have my 6 month year old nephew be more like an Alex Rodriguez or a Derek Jeter than David Wright and Jose Reyes knowing what I know about the 4 (Reyes having two children out of wedlock and Wright showing that he is a 24 year old frat boy in those deadpsin.com photos) just something based on public knowledge and I was looking for some shred of evidence suggesting the contrary rather than personal opinion Whatever, If no one wants me around here then why the fuck should I bother staying

Edgy DC Aug 01 2006 01:07 PM Edited 3 time(s), most recently on Aug 01 2006 04:13 PM

Don't try to fit in, Steve. Let go of that and be yourself. One great thing about the internet is that it gives peeps a chance to cut around the self-consciousness they feel in social situations. But there's still that angle of the social contract. In being yourself, give other peeps the leeway to be themselves --- thus the "Read More, Post Less" dictum that applies to all of us. It's not just a way of hazing the Milledges. Jumping in to start In-Game Threads a day early, re-starting (and re-naming) the Rico Brogna/Where Have They Gone Thread (though you had nothing to post), busting in on Yancy's act in the Standings thread, racing to beat people with news and --- if you don't --- starting a seperate thread anyhow because you didn't read that you were beat, filling IGTs with fragment posts, posting strong provcative opinions that turn out to be strawman arguments, general post-flooding. You may not mean it to, but it tells peeps that your act is more important than their act. And it's not. Centerfield's act is the only one more important than anybody else's. Just kidding, CF is a dick. People think Fozzie Bear is loveable because he tries so hard, but he's also a lousy comic and interminable act because he tries so hard. I don't know if I speak for too many other people, but I dig your enthusiasm for the board and for the Mets. Just take it easy. Enthusiasm for the community does well to take the form of being more excited about what KC and seawolf and Elster and silverdsl have to say than about them appreciating what you have to say. A proverb my girlfriend once taught me. If you use truth as trumpet, people will stop up their ears to keep from hearing you. If you use truth as footpath, they will tiptoe after you to see where you are going. I have no idea how big a pain in the ass I was being when she taught me that. I was probably doing a lot of trumpeting, though

Willets Point Aug 01 2006 01:10 PM

Ditto to Edgy.

Yancy Street Gang Aug 01 2006 01:14 PM

Nicely said.

metirish Aug 01 2006 01:23 PM

I agree.

Elster88 Aug 01 2006 01:25 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 01 2006 01:32 PM

Edgy DC wrote: I don't know if I speak for too many other people, but I dig your enthusiasm for the board and for the Mets. This speaks for me too.

KC Aug 01 2006 01:27 PM

Edgy's woman has been up late watching Kung Fu repeats. I agree with most of this, especially the part about CF.

metsmarathon Aug 01 2006 01:46 PM

stick around, ya big lug.

ScarletKnight41 Aug 01 2006 01:49 PM

Well stated Edgy.

Vic Sage Aug 01 2006 01:58 PM

His posts often dishonored the name he brandished... Steve Rogers, aka, Captain America. And if we're so desperate for participants on the CPF that we lament his absence and plead for his return, perhaps the site deserves to just fade away. We ban Bret, but then hope with baited breath that Mr. Rogers stays in the neighborhood. Incredible.

Edgy DC Aug 01 2006 02:00 PM

On fitting in, those of us who've met and socialized together quickly realize that we're as different as we are alike, and if not for the Mets, the internet, and the respect we've developed for each other in cooperating to make this a useful community, we'd otherwise never "fit in" to each other's lives. Worrying about fitting in is for elf dentists.

Yancy Street Gang Aug 01 2006 02:13 PM

To respond to Vic, for the record, I don't care if he stays or goes. My "nicely said" meant that Edgy did a good job of pointing out to Steve the errors of his ways. Whether Steve, if he returns, chooses to learn anything from that remains to be seen.

SteveJRogers Aug 01 2006 02:29 PM

Vic Sage wrote: His posts often dishonored the name he brandished... Steve Rogers, aka, Captain America. And if we're so desperate for participants on the CPF that we lament his absence and plead for his return, perhaps the site deserves to just fade away. We ban Bret, but then hope with baited breath that Mr. Rogers stays in the neighborhood. Incredible. SK ]SteveJRogers wrote: SteveJRogers wrote: Johnny Dickshot wrote: I SWEAR NO MORE FUCKING BILLY JOEL IN THE IGT Okay, no songs for me in the IGT In fact, despite a 3 game win streak, I think I am done this year for IGT starts after this! Well, at least there's some silver lining to be gained from this. ]KC wrote: First you accuse me of doing something to your stupid picture by PM'ng Edgy, then you bitch and moan that it still ain't working, and then when I offer to help you ignore me. Fuck you. ]Pointing out that someone is a moran is not fighting ... A: The sky is blue (13:45) A: The sky is grey (15.12) B: Hey, you just said the sky was blue - and it is. A: I heard the sky is grey on the radio, it's the media's fault. The papers will print anything. Davey Johnson said so, I was there in my dad's skybox. B: There ain't a god damn cloud in the sky, moran. A: Big media machine, I heard it, I read it, I'm just repeating it. You aint worth it. I am forumtalkman!!! If you don't like it don't read it. B: Ok, you're on the dnrdnr list assclown. Starting to think I overstayed my welcome here and I'm no longer welcome, so as I said, I'M OUTTA HERE!

Edgy DC Aug 01 2006 02:32 PM

Sheesh, who misspelled "moron"? That's always embarassing.

metirish Aug 01 2006 02:45 PM

Iubitul Aug 01 2006 02:56 PM

I sense that this has happened before, only the names have been changed....

KC Aug 01 2006 03:00 PM

Steve has been around the boards long enough to know that I am an internet blowhard sometimes. I'm pretty certain that he's been around for most of the 7 or 8 years that I've been posting on Mets' boards. While I love it here, the CPF is not something I carry around on my shoulders after I sign off. If I think someone deserves to be told to sod off, I tell them and it's done and

Edgy DC Aug 01 2006 03:01 PM

and... and... and what?

seawolf17 Aug 01 2006 03:08 PM

Let the man finish, Edgy!

Yancy Street Gang Aug 01 2006 03:10 PM

The suspense is unbearable!

KC Aug 01 2006 03:13 PM

(sorry, I hit the wrong button or something and then someone walked in) generally speaking I'm done with it. Frankly, it weirds me out that someone makes a case for me being a big fat meanie with quotes from a couple of weeks ago and ignores the fact that I've also turned the cheek on a number of occasions during the same time span. Makes me think someone has a beef with me and is trying to bug me and succeeded and now is playing the martyr role to boot. BORING

seawolf17 Aug 01 2006 03:14 PM

Boy, that's just what I'd expect an assclown to say. (I'm sorry, Kase, but I read all your posts laughing these days b/c of the avatar.)

KC Aug 01 2006 03:18 PM

Turned the cheek .... I swear that was unintentional

SteveJRogers Aug 01 2006 03:39 PM

No, just listing reasons why I should have left here well before now, why am I even responding...

Edgy DC Aug 01 2006 03:39 PM

I thought of the subject of his avatar as an asshat, not an assclown. Easy thoughts oft elude me.

metsmarathon Aug 01 2006 04:09 PM

asshats dont have funny noses and big red outlines around their lips. i guess the real question tho, is what type of has is an asshat. is it a fedora? a baseball cap? a sombrero? or is it just any hat which adorns an ass, i wonder... dont leave. thats just weak. it always aggravates me when people run away from internet fora just because theyve run into a disagreement or two. especially when they angrily state that theyre "LEAVING!!!!" i mean, if you're leaving because you think you should be encouraged to post like an excited squirrel who just found a cahce of espresso beans and a keyboard to walk upon, then clearly you're in the wrong corner of the internet. but well thought opinions are always welcome here, even if they differ with the majority. you've gotten flak on the mariano issue not because we simply disagree with you, but because the points you're trying to make are often ill-conceived, and rushed. you may be able to win the arguemnt, or bring it to a draw, but not at the rate you were going. you'll prolly not ever convince SK that she should like mariano rivera, no matter how good the arguemnts you pose. (and who cares, really?) but pose better arguemnts, and you'll receive less guff. its not that i'm begging you to stay, here, or anything. i just hate to see it whenever we lose a differing voice in here. or, really, on any board. but wether or not you stick around, to whichever internet fora you participate in, contribute with quality, not quantity. a discussion board is exactly that. a discussion board. discussion without thoughtfulness deteriorates rapidly. can you really carry on a conversation with someone who's more interested in talking just to talk, than in actually contributing something to the conversation?

Elster88 Aug 01 2006 05:17 PM

Vic Sage wrote: His posts often dishonored the name he brandished... Steve Rogers, aka, Captain America. And if we're so desperate for participants on the CPF that we lament his absence and plead for his return, perhaps the site deserves to just fade away. We ban Bret, but then hope with baited breath that Mr. Rogers stays in the neighborhood. Incredible. We're bringing Bret back into this? Here's my take on that comparison: Steve shows enthusiasm for both the Mets and posting at this forum. I didn't notice much of either out of Bret towards the end.

Elster88 Aug 01 2006 05:20 PM

I posted that before reading the rest of the thread. I guess he's not as into posting here as I thought. Oh well. Steve, in the words of MFS62: Later.

seawolf17 Aug 01 2006 05:34 PM

Yeah. I'm leaving. Really. Leaving any minute now. Don't try and stop me. I'm serious. Don't make me post again. In all seriousness, it's just a fucking message board, and we're all just a bunch of faceless assclowns who don't plan on apologizing to anyone. Post, don't post, whatever. I hate people who insist on announcing that they're leaving. What do they hope to gain? I got mad at someone here a few months back, so I took a few days off from visiting and posting, but realized I missed the enjoyable repartee among y'all. So I came back, shut my piehole, and now I don't take this place so seriously.

SteveJRogers Aug 01 2006 05:44 PM

seawolf17 wrote: Yeah. I'm leaving. Really. Leaving any minute now. Don't try and stop me. I'm serious. Don't make me post again. In all seriousness, it's just a fucking message board, and we're all just a bunch of faceless assclowns who don't plan on apologizing to anyone. Post, don't post, whatever. I hate people who insist on announcing that they're leaving. What do they hope to gain? I got mad at someone here a few months back, so I took a few days off from visiting and posting, but realized I missed the enjoyable repartee among y'all. So I came back, shut my piehole, and now I don't take this place so seriously. Yeah I hear you. I'd love to avi this thread but I got told the last time I avi-ed a thread to just let it be

Rockin' Doc Aug 01 2006 08:52 PM

Now, for your listening pleasure, a few songs appropriate for this thread. "Should I Stay or Should I Go" - The Clash "Get Over It" - The Eagles "Give Peace a Chance" - John Lennon