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Sanchez Out for Year? FOX Sports is reporting

SteveJRogers Jul 31 2006 01:14 PM

[url=http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5832906]Looks like this is why nysportsday.com was down![/url] Now on WFAN

metirish Jul 31 2006 01:15 PM

WOW....this is a stunner.

SteveJRogers Jul 31 2006 01:15 PM

Forget what I said about Lidge, GET HIM AND OSWALT!

ABG Jul 31 2006 01:16 PM

Motherfucker.

TransMonk Jul 31 2006 01:18 PM

Heilman ain't going nowhere now.

Vic Sage Jul 31 2006 01:18 PM

shitfuck how is Henry Owens doing down on the farm?

Gwreck Jul 31 2006 01:18 PM

Oh FUCK!

Rotblatt Jul 31 2006 01:18 PM

fuckshit. This is terrible timing. If Omar panics, we're going to get raped by the other GMs.

Edgy DC Jul 31 2006 01:18 PM

Shocker. Damn. Sounds like something that could threaten his career, in addition to our season. Hello, other shoe.

Johnny Dickshot Jul 31 2006 01:19 PM

I SWEAR NO MORE FUCKING BILLY JOEL IN THE IGT

Frayed Knot Jul 31 2006 01:20 PM

Glavine, Sanchez ... what did we do to piss off the Cabbies' union?

metirish Jul 31 2006 01:20 PM

I see Solomon Torres in our future.

HahnSolo Jul 31 2006 01:21 PM

Unreal. Hope Duaner had his seat belt on. I'm getting flashbacks to Bobby Ojeda and a hedge trimmer.

Rotblatt Jul 31 2006 01:21 PM

Heilman needs to pony up and regain his dominance. Bringing Owens up is a pretty good idea. Maybe we can trade Bell for someone like Robo in a salary dump? It's not the end of the world, but our bullpen is definitely no longer "killer."

SteveJRogers Jul 31 2006 01:25 PM

Johnny Dickshot wrote: I SWEAR NO MORE FUCKING BILLY JOEL IN THE IGT Okay, no songs for me in the IGT

SteveJRogers Jul 31 2006 01:33 PM

SteveJRogers wrote: ="Johnny Dickshot"]I SWEAR NO MORE FUCKING BILLY JOEL IN THE IGT Okay, no songs for me in the IGT In fact, despite a 3 game win streak, I think I am done this year for IGT starts after this!

Benjamin Grimm Jul 31 2006 01:33 PM

Did you read the update to that article? ]And Minaya has reportedly found a replacement. According to SI.com, the Mets have traded outfielder Xavier Nady to the Pirates for reliever Roberto Hernandez and left-hander Oliver Perez.

Gwreck Jul 31 2006 01:36 PM

HahnSolo wrote: Unreal. Hope Duaner had his seat belt on. I'm getting flashbacks to Bobby Ojeda and a hedge trimmer. I wonder if maybe the seatbelt could've helped cause the separated shoulder? Glad he's OK otherwise.

Johnny Dickshot Jul 31 2006 01:38 PM

I think my wife was driving the cab. She was worried she'd lose me to Duaner. Now I need surgery too. Surgery for a broken heart! Jeezus, that's awful news.

ScarletKnight41 Jul 31 2006 01:41 PM

SteveJRogers wrote: SteveJRogers wrote: ="Johnny Dickshot"]I SWEAR NO MORE FUCKING BILLY JOEL IN THE IGT Okay, no songs for me in the IGT In fact, despite a 3 game win streak, I think I am done this year for IGT starts after this! Well, at least there's some silver lining to be gained from this.

ScarletKnight41 Jul 31 2006 01:53 PM

Meanwhile, I'm trying to absorb this news. Wow - what a shame! Sanchez had my vote for being the Mets' biggest pleasant surprise this season. It's a shame to see him gone for the season. I hope to see him back strong next season. Wow!

Elster88 Jul 31 2006 02:32 PM

Goddammit. How about, no Met ever takes a taxicab anywhere for the rest of my life?

Elster88 Jul 31 2006 02:34 PM

Rotblatt wrote: Maybe we can trade Bell for someone like Robo in a salary dump? You see, this is the trade we should have made. Why the hell do you give up Nady for a 42 (43?) year old middle reliever? I know Nady's not an All-Star or anything but come on. GMs shouldn't panic.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 31 2006 02:36 PM

I agree. I can't see why Nady had to be included in this trade.

seawolf17 Jul 31 2006 02:37 PM

Because of Perez. He's still 25, and left-handed, so there's a premium there. I know he's not Sandy Koufax, but he does still qualify as a prospect, sorta.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 31 2006 02:39 PM

That's not worth Nady to me, unless Omar knew of another GM who was hot to get Perez, and had a followup trade in place. And I guess that may yet happen. But I'd rather have Nady and Bell and Owens and whoever than Roberto Hernandez and Oliver Perez.

Edgy DC Jul 31 2006 02:48 PM

Apparently the follow-up trade is done. So is Nady worth Robo and half of Linebrink? Yeah, I don't think so either.

Gwreck Jul 31 2006 02:51 PM

Edgy DC wrote: Apparently the follow-up trade is done. So is Nady worth Robo and half of Linebrink? Yeah, I don't think so either. Linebrink is now a Met? Source? I thought that deal was dead.

Edgy DC Jul 31 2006 02:51 PM

Really, then I'm not reading in the right order.

Zvon Jul 31 2006 07:28 PM

To me- this is devistating news. A major bump in our road. And if it wasnt for this accident, the Nady trade doesnt happen-- It was shocking enough to hear of the accident, but then to hear Nady goes to Pittsburg for the quick fix- ugh. If Hernandez can give us what he did in 2005 - that would be a good thing. Maybe he can........ And Perez was one of the best new young arms to come up afew seasons ago, but he has gone down hill from there, for reasons no one can seem to figure out. Maybe Peterson figures it out.

metirish Jul 31 2006 07:30 PM

] And if it wasnt for this accident, the Nady trade doesnt happen-- Omar indicated that's not true,he was looking at Bert anyway..that's probably BS though.

Centerfield Jul 31 2006 07:36 PM

From an ESPN.com article: Sanchez was riding in a cab that got into an accident near the team's hotel in Florida on Sunday night, the Mets said. He flew back to New York on Monday and was being treated at a hospital. The Mets expect to learn in about a week whether Sanchez will need surgery. If he does, the right-hander would miss the rest of the season -- potentially a huge blow to the team's World Series hopes. If not, he could return in September, according to general manager Omar Minaya. Is this true? This is the first I've heard anything that Sanchez might be back this year.

metirish Jul 31 2006 07:37 PM

Yeah Omar said as much today on the FAN.

Zvon Jul 31 2006 07:45 PM

metirish wrote: ] And if it wasnt for this accident, the Nady trade doesnt happen-- Omar indicated that's not true,he was looking at Bert anyway..that's probably BS though. He may have been looking at Berto, but you can bet this tipped the scales as far as making a move goes.

Johnny Dickshot Jul 31 2006 08:09 PM

="Centerfield"]From an ESPN.com article: Sanchez was riding in a cab that got into an accident near the team's hotel in Florida on Sunday night, the Mets said. He flew back to New York on Monday and was being treated at a hospital. The Mets expect to learn in about a week whether Sanchez will need surgery. If he does, the right-hander would miss the rest of the season -- potentially a huge blow to the team's World Series hopes. If not, he could return in September, according to general manager Omar Minaya. Is this true? This is the first I've heard anything that Sanchez might be back this year. Marty Noble has a good handle on things. 4-6 weeks, unless surgery is required. Alternatively, surgery unless 4-6 weeks won't do the trick. Relief pitching is so tempermantal though. I thought we already dodged a bullet when Sanchez returned from the tingly arm thingy as effectively as he had. Anyway, Noble suggests they were on the verge of a 3-way bringing Oswalt here, Tejada to Houston and Milledge & Everett to Baltimore when the accident interrupted things from a Met POV.

Nymr83 Jul 31 2006 08:20 PM

why would anything be allowed to interrupt a deal that brings us Go..i mean Oswalt?

Elster88 Jul 31 2006 08:21 PM

]he could return in September, according to general manager Omar Minaya. Wow, I'm even more angry.

Gwreck Jul 31 2006 08:27 PM

Omar Minaya's conference call with the Mets beat reporters has been posted in audio format to Mets.com. Highlights: Omar repeatedly confirmed that a bigger deal was considered on Sunday but talks had been "losing steam" as of late Sunday. He was informed about Sanchez at 1-1:30 AM this morning but didn't get all the details until 6-7 AM. The taxi was on I-95, Sanchez was the only Mets player in the cab, it was hit, Omar couldn't confirm if it was a drunk driver, it was pushed up against the wall (unclear if that was the median or the side of the freeway). Omar couldn't give definite odds on whether Sanchez would actually need surgery or not. He was flown back to New York, he's in a lot of pain, they're going to control that first and the evaluation will probably be in a week or so. Omar referred to it as a dislocated shoulder.

Rockin' Doc Jul 31 2006 08:28 PM

JD - "Anyway, Noble suggests they were on the verge of a 3-way bringing Oswalt here, Tejada to Houston and Milledge & Everett to Baltimore when the accident interrupted things from a Met POV." I still would have preferred that deal, assuming it was ever close to happening. Oswalt is a stud, top of the rotation guy that the Mets could really use in the post-season. His presence would have freed up Maine or El Duque for the bullpen. The line up that has been producing would have remained intact with Nady in right field. Instead, the team still doesn't have a dominant, proven starter to pair with Pedro and Glavine. Now the Mets will need to depend upon ahead strong rookie and hope that he can produce at the big league level. Nady's departure will likely mean even more playing time for Endy Chavez. Though he has been a pleasant surprise this season, if he is starting a great deal it further weakens the Mets options for a left handed bat off the bench.

Zvon Jul 31 2006 08:43 PM

No matter the Nady deal - if a 100% Sanchez can return before seasons end, Ill be happy about that.

Edgy DC Jul 31 2006 08:56 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 31 2006 09:58 PM

As much as we think we know about that deal, we're just assuming that Minaya pulled out of it to preserve Millege to replace Nady and make the Robo deal happen, aren't we? We know talks were "losing steam" but not with whom, right?

Johnny Dickshot Jul 31 2006 09:09 PM

FWIW, Omar on WFAN this evening sounded a bit down, like he tried to get something done and didn;t and was disappopinted. I think we have to hitch our wagons here to the fact we added Oliver Perez to a crop of young starters including Pelfrey, Maine, Humber, Bannister, Soler, and that, considering we had to get a reliever, and Hernandez was pursued by several teams, and the Pirates were getting robbed all over the place, Nady was what it took to get him. I think that while Omar tends to pay full retail in many of the deals he makes, his shopping bag usually contains an item that might just be bargain.

Elster88 Jul 31 2006 09:21 PM

Johnny Dickshot wrote: I think that while Omar tends to pay full retail in many of the deals he makes, his shopping bag usually contains an item that might just be bargain. He knew more than I did about Sanchez and Maine. Maybe I can give him the benefit of the doubt for now. And the fact that he almost got that Oswalt deal done makes me like him more. Oswalt is the only type of player I would've wanted Milledge traded for.

Zvon Jul 31 2006 09:22 PM

Johnny Dickshot wrote: I think that while Omar tends to pay full retail in many of the deals he makes, his shopping bag usually contains an item that might just be bargain. Perez at one time certainly had the stuff to make him a top flight starter. If Peterson can help him find his old form he would be a pleasant stocking stuffer.

Elster88 Jul 31 2006 09:27 PM

I don't understand why people say it like that. I don't care who does it, and I don't have much more faith in Peterson than anyone else.

Zvon Jul 31 2006 09:42 PM

Elster88 wrote: I don't understand why people say it like that. I say it like that because he is our pitching coach.

TheOldMole Jul 31 2006 10:37 PM

You guys get devastated way too easily.

duan Aug 01 2006 06:04 AM

I'm so 100% ok with Xavier Nady being flipped for Perez & Hernandez. I WISH we got Oswalt, but you weren't in the room or the conversation so I don't want to second guess Omar Minaya on it. I also admire him for not being afraid to use a guy he acquired to achieve something and he's done that twice now. I DO THINK that Mike Cameron as a top 10 CF is worth more then Hernandez & Perez, but I think we have to accept that as a right fielder coming off a serious injury we were probably obliged to take 60 cent on the dollar unless we were prepared to play chicken.

old original jb Aug 01 2006 09:23 AM

Elster88 wrote: And the fact that he almost got that Oswalt deal done makes me like him more. Oswalt is the only type of player I would've wanted Milledge traded for. Exactly. He didn't give up Milledge for a rental or for a second line pitcher, just to be able to say he made a deal. He made a good faith effort to go for the best that was available, but didn't pull a panic move when (what I think he must have known was a longshot) didn't pan out. Sometimes the deals you don't make are as important as the ones you do. I am hoping (without clear justification) that part of Omar's limited approach to the Trade Deadline Pitching Buffet has to do with his secret knowledge that from among Pelfrey/Maine/bannister/Soler/Humber/Oliver, two really have the goods to emerge as unexpected fall heroes this season. Maybe the luxury of a 14 game lead provides the circumstance in which one or more of these pitchers can have the chance to make this wishful thinking come true.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 01 2006 09:30 AM

old original jb wrote: I am hoping (without clear justification) that part of Omar's limited approach to the Trade Deadline Pitching Buffet has to do with his secret knowledge that from among Pelfrey/Maine/bannister/Soler/Humber/Oliver, two really have the goods to emerge as unexpected fall heroes this season. By Oliver, I assume you mean Perez and not Darren? Anyway, I doubt that most of the ones listed have much chance of being a postseason hero. Oliver Perez and Humber are 2007 candidates. I think Soler also has had his chance for this year. I'm curious to see what they'll do about Bannister when he's healthy again. Pelfrey's probably pitching for his roster spot tonight. Maine is probably the one with the best chance of pitching in the playoffs, and that can change with a few bad starts.

MFS62 Aug 01 2006 09:42 AM

Speaking of Bannister, he pitched seven innings in his second rehab start for St. Lucie last night. He gave up no runs, four hits, no walks and struck out eight. Later

old original jb Aug 01 2006 09:51 AM

Yancy Street Gang wrote: ="old original jb"]I am hoping (without clear justification) that part of Omar's limited approach to the Trade Deadline Pitching Buffet has to do with his secret knowledge that from among Pelfrey/Maine/bannister/Soler/Humber/Oliver, two really have the goods to emerge as unexpected fall heroes this season. By Oliver, I assume you mean Perez and not Darren? Anyway, I doubt that most of the ones listed have much chance of being a postseason hero. Oliver Perez and Humber are 2007 candidates. I think Soler also has had his chance for this year. I'm curious to see what they'll do about Bannister when he's healthy again. Pelfrey's probably pitching for his roster spot tonight. Maine is probably the one with the best chance of pitching in the playoffs, and that can change with a few bad starts. Hey, I made it clear I was hoping without justification, and yes I meant Perez. Can't anyone "drink the Koolaid" around here in peace?

Elster88 Aug 01 2006 09:53 AM

MFS62 wrote: Speaking of Bannister, he pitched seven innings in his second rehab start for St. Lucie last night. He gave up no runs, four hits, no walks and struck out eight. Later Yet another reason NOT to trade Nady for a reliever.

ABG Aug 01 2006 10:06 AM

Elster88 wrote: ="MFS62"]Speaking of Bannister, he pitched seven innings in his second rehab start for St. Lucie last night. He gave up no runs, four hits, no walks and struck out eight. Later Yet another reason NOT to trade Nady for a reliever. You're promoting Bannister as a late inning reliever?

Elster88 Aug 01 2006 10:16 AM

My point is we have pitchers kicking around who have shown something at the major league level.

Gwreck Aug 01 2006 12:11 PM

Yancy Street Gang wrote: Pelfrey's probably pitching for his roster spot tonight. Maine is probably the one with the best chance of pitching in the playoffs, and that can change with a few bad starts. I'd think that Pelfrey's going down no matter what, with Heath Bell returning.

Edgy DC Aug 01 2006 03:07 PM

It's cold comfort, but at least this story leads to quotes from and references to Sanchez's agent, Bean Stringfellow.

metirish Aug 01 2006 04:56 PM

Sanchez had surgery today and is out for the season.

Edgy DC Aug 02 2006 01:38 AM

Tomorrow is Wednesday and I'm dedicating all the work I get done to Duaner.

Elster88 Aug 03 2006 08:27 AM

]"I called my mom and my girlfriend immediately," Sanchez told the Daily News from his room at New York's Hospital for Special Surgery. "I could see the bone on the top of the shoulder." Yuk. [url]http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/story/440349p-370969c.html[/url]

Benjamin Grimm Aug 03 2006 08:54 AM

metirish wrote: Sanchez had surgery today and is out for the season. That faint hope of a late September return didn't linger for long, did it?